Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker Spoilers from post 2076

pixelburp · 24-03-2020 6:29pm

Honest Trailers kinda went into autopilot over the last while, but their Episode IX feels on point. "The only consistent character across all 9 films" felt particularly cutting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7dq_wo5eto

robinph · 24-03-2020 10:57pm

pixelburp wrote: »

Honest Trailers kinda went into autopilot over the last while, but their Episode IX feels on point. "The only consistent character across all 9 films" felt particularly cutting

Except they picked the wrong droid for that, unless getting your memory wiped repeatedly in order to fix some plot holes counts as consistency. R2 was the only character who ever knew what was happening, or could remember what did happen in the past.

SMC92Ian · 25-03-2020 12:13am

I don't get the ejits saying you couldn't follow the story without reading books or twitter stuff, are you gobsh*tes? It's a simple easy plot.

Runaways · 25-03-2020 7:58pm

pixelburp wrote: »

Honest Trailers kinda went into autopilot over the last while, but their Episode IX feels on point. "The only consistent character across all 9 films" felt particularly cutting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7dq_wo5eto

The entire premise of that channel is more commercialized and ad revenue driven than anything even Lucas or Disney managed to come up with

Irony is off the menu I guess.

pixelburp · 29-03-2020 4:15pm

SMC92Ian wrote: »

I don't get the ejits saying you couldn't follow the story without reading books or twitter stuff, are you gobsh*tes? It's a simple easy plot.

That wasn't the complaint of folks. The complaint was that a big part of the plot went unexplained in the film - chiefly, how was Palpatine even alive? Instead it was in the novelisation and, bizarrely, an event run within the online video-game Fortnite. It was particularly odd given the entire return of Palp, and the about-turn of Rey's lineage, was done purely as a desperate tactic to get fans onside after Episode XIII. Complexity wasn't the issue, it was coherence or intelligence of the script.

Runaways wrote: »

The entire premise of that channel is more commercialized and ad revenue driven than anything even Lucas or Disney managed to come up with

Irony is off the menu I guess.

Who are you Alanis Morissette, cos that ain't irony. "more commercialised"? A monetized YouTube channel producing comedy videos hardly stacks up against a corporation like Disney & its industrialised nostalgia, but whatever. As the saying goes, your mileage may vary, the video was shared for a mild giggle so *shrug*. Satire doesn't contain the prerequisite of being made for free to hit its mark.

Runaways · 02-04-2020 6:18am

Don’t know anything about all that 4K hd ultra stuff but the few friends I have that are into it are saying the new films and rise of skywalker in particular looks fantastic.

I’d just be happy with the dvd at this stage. It’s not coming for ages

Relikk · 02-04-2020 10:38am

Runaways wrote: »

I’d just be happy with the dvd at this stage. It’s not coming for ages

Watching some of the featurettes on the Star Wars YouTube channel and I kept seeing at the end of them "Out now on Blu-Ray and digital", thinking that they had brought the release forward here, but no. It was released in the States on the 31st of March. Still not out here until around the 20th of this month.

Runaways · 02-04-2020 10:55am

Relikk wrote: »

Watching some of the featurettes on the Star Wars YouTube channel and I kept seeing at the end of them "Out now on Blu-Ray and digital", thinking that they had brought the release forward here, but no. It was released in the States on the 31st of March. Still not out here until around the 20th of this month.

Strange isn’t it? It’s even out in Australia

Seem to remember the last few being available everywhere at once but who knows.

SMC92Ian · 02-04-2020 2:04pm

It's 2020, they're shooting themselves not releasing a movie worldwide at the same time.

Runaways · 02-04-2020 2:36pm

SMC92Ian wrote: »

It's 2020, they're shooting themselves not releasing a movie worldwide at the same time.

The odd thing is it isn’t available on Disney + either

They must be staggering out physical media over time

pixelburp · 02-04-2020 2:48pm

Perhaps with the poor reception and what I presume is a theoretically - and relatively - underwhelming box office taking, Disney are trying to stagger home releases to plunder the wallets of the impatient *shrug*

Runaways · 02-04-2020 2:52pm

pixelburp wrote: »

Perhaps with the poor reception and what I presume is a theoretically - and relatively - underwhelming box office taking, Disney are trying to stagger home releases to plunder the wallets of the impatient *shrug*

My circles are probably a good gauge but it definitely was mixed reaction among Star Wars pals but all the normal people I know loved it. Like really loved it. Picking my brains about the ins and outs and lore involved n all. Shrug

MisterAnarchy · 02-04-2020 2:52pm

Runaways wrote: »

The odd thing is it isn’t available on Disney + either

They must be staggering out physical media over time

It wont be on Disney + for months .
No incentive to put it on there when DVD/Bluray/Download sales come first.

pixelburp · 02-04-2020 3:06pm

Runaways wrote: »

My circles are probably a good gauge but it definitely was mixed reaction among Star Wars pals but all the normal people I know loved it. Like really loved it. Picking my brains about the ins and outs and lore involved n all. Shrug

Well, I'm not privy to your circles lol

My own was a mixed bag, one love for the nostalgic elements, the rest meh'ing or hating it; even aggregators aren't particularly conclusive - RT having a larger sample size and higher rating than MetaCritic. I don't think it's outrageous to suggest the film has been as divisive as Episode XIII, but without perhaps those vocally defending its artistic merits. Plenty liked it, but plenty were disappointed - and the box office reflected that.

Episode IX barely clambered past the billion mark, half of what Episode VII took. Now, trilogies tend to show a broad decline in takings as a series ticks on, but it does beg the question if Disney qualify Rise as a success. The fact cinematic Star Wars has effectively dropped off the radar somewhat doesn't speak to a confidence.

Runaways · 02-04-2020 7:37pm

Completely off topic but I just saw the Picard finale and it pretty much this film beat for beat

Gbear · 03-04-2020 12:31am

I really tried to give this a go but it's unwatchable.

I got about halfway through. I spent most of the time rolling my eyes and cringing into a singularity.

I feel a bit sickened. Like I know Star Wars has never been high art, but Jesus ****....

It feels like a student film that had a once over by a professional VFX team on their days off.

I realllllyyyy hope that JJ Abrams doesn't direct any more films. He's basically killed two Sci Fi franchises. How can a supposed sci-fi nerd be so totally oblivious to what makes them good?

**** this all in the bin, jump a thousand years into the past or the future and give it another go, because I still do think that Star Wars should be really easy to make good adventure films out of, so long as someone in the development process isn't grossly incompetent.

SMC92Ian · 03-04-2020 1:28am

Gbear wrote: »

I really tried to give this a go but it's unwatchable.

I got about halfway through. I spent most of the time rolling my eyes and cringing into a singularity.

I feel a bit sickened. Like I know Star Wars has never been high art, but Jesus ****....

It feels like a student film that had a once over by a professional VFX team on their days off.

I realllllyyyy hope that JJ Abrams doesn't direct any more films. He's basically killed two Sci Fi franchises. How can a supposed sci-fi nerd be so totally oblivious to what makes them good?

**** this all in the bin, jump a thousand years into the past or the future and give it another go, because I still do think that Star Wars should be really easy to make good adventure films out of, so long as someone in the development process isn't grossly incompetent.

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pixelburp · 03-04-2020 12:35pm

So I think at this stage we can say that 67% of answers in the poll were wrong: this neither managed to beat Episode 7 or 8, not by some distance in the case of the former

Methinks word of mouth did a lot of damage after the first couple of weekends; satisfying neither those who liked Last Jedi (in effectively retconning its ideas), or those looking for an interesting wrap-up of the story. Nor does it persuade anyone that Abrams knows how to finish the stories he started - Felicity notwithstanding lol

Runaways · 03-04-2020 12:48pm

pixelburp wrote: »

So I think at this stage we can say that 67% of answers in the poll were wrong: this neither managed to beat Episode 7 or 8, not by some distance in the case of the former

Methinks word of mouth did a lot of damage after the first couple of weekends; satisfying neither those who liked Last Jedi (in effectively retconning its ideas), or those looking for an interesting wrap-up of the story. Nor does it persuade anyone that Abrams knows how to finish the stories he started - Felicity notwithstanding lol

I watched the making of again yesterday. It’s really interesting seeing him telling and explaining his decisions with the story and Terrio.

Not saying it changed my mind or will anyone else’s but worth a watch.

The one for last Jedi was a brilliant watch and you may not like what Johnson did with Luke or the film but he knows star wars and writing characters and is able to properly talk about his decisions and why Luke is where he is (and without saying ehhh cos that’s where JJ left him and boxing me in with what I could do with him).
Whereas JJ is more kinda had a script and generously and foolishly makes it up on the spot too. And himself and a few cast members kiiiiinda take swings at Johnson for his decisions. But subtle enough so as not to be calling him out.

Both making ofs worth watching but the last Jedi one more so by far.

SMC92Ian · 03-04-2020 1:43pm

Runaways wrote: »

I watched the making of again yesterday. It’s really interesting seeing him telling and explaining his decisions with the story and Terrio.

Not saying it changed my mind or will anyone else’s but worth a watch.

The one for last Jedi was a brilliant watch and you may not like what Johnson did with Luke or the film but he knows star wars and writing characters and is able to properly talk about his decisions and why Luke is where he is (and without saying ehhh cos that’s where JJ left him and boxing me in with what I could do with him).
Whereas JJ is more kinda had a script and generously and foolishly makes it up on the spot too. And himself and a few cast members kiiiiinda take swings at Johnson for his decisions. But subtle enough so as not to be calling him out.

Both making ofs worth watching but the last Jedi one more so by far.

Watched all those docs myself and it makes me laugh when people say "uhhhl Disney only wants da your moneaaay" no they actually all love Star Wars there and love making movies, you may not like the new SW films but so much passion, energy and love went into making them and you can tell. But sure haters take over Twitter and the world and make people think everyone hates everything.

Homelander · 03-04-2020 1:55pm

OK, no-one denied that? Passion, effort, energy and love go into even the worst of productions.

It doesn't change a lackluster end result.

Movies, TV shows, games get criticized or poorly received all the time. Rarely it is claimed it's due to a lack of love, passion, or energy from the crew.

Arguably George Lucas is one of the most passionate guys around when it comes to Star Wars, that didn't stop him making some atrocious creative, design and directing decisions with his prequels....

Runaways · 03-04-2020 1:56pm

SMC92Ian wrote: »

Watched all those docs myself and it makes me laugh when people say "uhhhl Disney only wants da your moneaaay" no they actually all love Star Wars there and love making movies, you may not like the new SW films but so much passion, energy and love went into making them and you can tell. But sure haters take over Twitter and the world and make people think everyone hates everything.

Couldn’t agree more. The heart and energy and sheer amount of effort by hundreds if not thousands of people that go into stuff you don’t even see on screen and for example the three months to make the droid workshop and it’s literally one scene. And then building that entire village. And hat big festival scene.
I love the making of stuff as much as the films so I’m biased but these both are fantastic docos on that front.

Runaways · 03-04-2020 2:04pm

-** honorable mention for the john Williams scene when he’s behind the bar and they made 51 props from all his films he was nominated for academy awards for.
So indys whip is behind the bar and a pod from ET and the barrel bombs from jaws

That was soooo cool to see jj showing him and Williams genuinely touched. Such a nice thing to do for him.

pixelburp · 03-04-2020 2:09pm

SMC92Ian wrote: »

Watched all those docs myself and it makes me laugh when people say "uhhhl Disney only wants da your moneaaay" no they actually all love Star Wars there and love making movies, you may not like the new SW films but so much passion, energy and love went into making them and you can tell. But sure haters take over Twitter and the world and make people think everyone hates everything.

It can be two things you know, don't conflate executive level with project level: Disney's executives didn't fork out $4 billon dollars 'cos it's all a jolly hobby for them. Nor does it preclude the various artists and creatives from being passionate about the work given. Phantom Menace had the most gorgeous art design - those Naboo fighters are genuinely beautiful - the actual movie still sucked.

So yes, Disney want your money, that's why they own Marvel, Star Wars and bought out the entire Fox Entertainment stable. Or churned out 4 live-action remakes in the space of 12 months. Doesn't mean the artists working on any of those projects will be any less passionate about their work. One doesn't negate the other.

Runaways · 03-04-2020 3:04pm

pixelburp wrote: »

It can be two things you know, don't conflate executive level with project level: Disney's executives didn't fork out $4 billon dollars 'cos it's all a jolly hobby for them. Nor does it preclude the various artists and creatives from being passionate about the work given. Phantom Menace had the most gorgeous art design - those Naboo fighters are genuinely beautiful - the actual movie still sucked.

So yes, Disney want your money, that's why they own Marvel, Star Wars and bought out the entire Fox Entertainment stable. Or churned out 4 live-action remakes in the space of 12 months. Doesn't mean the artists working on any of those projects will be any less passionate about their work. One doesn't negate the other.

Equally though I don’t think box office returns be it vast or underwhelming has any bearing on anything. It only matters to CEOs and shareholders. Nothing is invincible at the box office not even Star Wars or marvel films etc.
I do wonder what all this crisis means for hollywood and the industry though. Now and next year. There’s nothing even being filmed.
I know none of the studios are broke exactly. But how it will change how films are made and marketed from now on will be fascinating to watch. I don’t see it going back to normal.

SMC92Ian · 03-04-2020 3:49pm

pixelburp wrote: »

It can be two things you know, don't conflate executive level with project level: Disney's executives didn't fork out $4 billon dollars 'cos it's all a jolly hobby for them. Nor does it preclude the various artists and creatives from being passionate about the work given. Phantom Menace had the most gorgeous art design - those Naboo fighters are genuinely beautiful - the actual movie still sucked.

So yes, Disney want your money, that's why they own Marvel, Star Wars and bought out the entire Fox Entertainment stable. Or churned out 4 live-action remakes in the space of 12 months. Doesn't mean the artists working on any of those projects will be any less passionate about their work. One doesn't negate the other.

Not sh*t they want money, they're a business but it's not just all they want. What are these 4 remakes? And you can't churn out a film, it's takes months/years, lots of passion and dedication, no matter the project. Even The Room took effort.

I will say people need to remember they're opinion isn't fact, you are a teeny tiny part of the fanbase, what you think sucks is amazing to others, what I think sucks and likewise. It's an odd world we're in atm.

pixelburp · 03-04-2020 4:39pm

SMC92Ian wrote: »

Not sh*t they want money, they're a business but it's not just all they want. What are these 4 remakes? And you can't churn out a film, it's takes months/years, lots of passion and dedication, no matter the project. Even The Room took effort.

I will say people need to remember they're opinion isn't fact, you are a teeny tiny part of the fanbase, what you think sucks is amazing to others, what I think sucks and likewise. It's an odd world we're in atm.

I never suggested these things weren't crafted with love or effort. You even quote my reply where I say they do

No one's disputing the passion of Ground Level workers realising these visions, but that doesn't mean they can't be born from a desire to control and dominate a commercial market. Which Disney are totally trying to do. Like I said, it's two things. Neither contradict each other, that's just Hollywood.

And yes, opinions differ, but the consensus informs decisions; and when it comes to Star Wars, the consensus is suggesting between this trilogy, Solo, and the disappearance of several Feature Length projects, the brand has a way to go. The Mandolorian showed there is definitely an enthusiasm and appetite for the universe, and IMO it's not without reason the Kenobi spin-off went from a movie to a Disney+ show.

The recurring revenue of a successful streaming service is probably more enticing ATM than the Hail Mary of a mega-blockbuster "only" making a billion dollars. And no matter how hard they try, China doesn't care for Star Wars, so it'll never be the colossus modern Hollywood demands.

And my bad, it was 3 live action remakes Disney had on the go: Dumbo (March '19), Aladdin (May) and The Lion King (July). Toy Story 4 came out in between all those so 3.5, lol. And when it comes to the Lion King, that's both our points writ large: you can't deny the creative, technical talent used to bring those photorealistic animals to live - but nor can you deny the obvious, cynical motivation to pick peoples' pockets, with that redundant remake.

SMC92Ian · 03-04-2020 5:11pm

pixelburp wrote: »

I never suggested these things weren't crafted with love or effort. You even quote my reply where I say they do No one's disputing the passion of Ground Level workers realising these visions, but that doesn't mean they can't be born from a desire to control and dominate a commercial market. Which Disney are totally trying to do. Like I said, it's two things. Neither contradict each other, that's just Hollywood.

And yes, opinions differ, but the consensus informs decisions; and when it comes to Star Wars, the consensus is suggesting between this trilogy, Solo, and the disappearance of several Feature Length projects, the brand has a way to go. The Mandolorian showed there is definitely an enthusiasm and appetite for the universe, and IMO it's not without reason the Kenobi spin-off went from a movie to a Disney+ show.

The recurring revenue of a successful streaming service is probably more enticing ATM than the Hail Mary of a mega-blockbuster "only" making a billion dollars. And no matter how hard they try, China doesn't care for Star Wars, so it'll never be the colossus modern Hollywood demands.

And my bad, it was 3 live action remakes Disney had on the go: Dumbo (March '19), Aladdin (May) and The Lion King (July). Toy Story 4 came out in between all those so 3.5, lol. And when it comes to the Lion King, that's both our points writ large: you can't deny the creative, technical talent used to bring those photorealistic animals to live - but nor can you deny the obvious, cynical motivation to pick peoples' pockets, with that redundant remake.

I honestly forgot about that Disney stuff, I keep forgetting they do their own stuff. Also I wouldn't hold the opinion of the die hard SW fan base to any standard after what I saw when TLJ came out, dirty racist anti women trash.

Shakey_jake · 03-04-2020 5:19pm

Man it sucked so much!

A total overblown mess, the best they could do is a palpatine clone :mad:

JJ should walk away embarrassed with his sacks of cash

Episode 8 was deadly, what a rubbish way to end the saga

ErnestBorgnine · 03-04-2020 6:17pm

It really is awful, soulless bollocks.

JJ proving again that artistically he's a ****ing hack.

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