GLAS thread

Base price · 16-06-2019 11:08pm

80sDiesel wrote: »

I assume no topping etc doest prevent someone from digging up docks?

I wouldn't think so.
BTW when your finished with yours you are more than welcome to free board and lodgings at ours

Base price · 16-06-2019 11:09pm

Water John wrote: »

Thanks Base,
ARC 15
'Burning, topping, clearing scrub or rough vegetation or reseeding. [Consent is not required for these
activities on established reseeded grassland or cultivated land provided it is greater than 20m from a
river, stream or floodplain; or greater than 50m from a wetland, lake, turlough or pond.'

Looks like reseeding is permitted on both LIPP and Traditional Meadow, provided one uses the correct mix.

That was my reading of it too.

Water John · 16-06-2019 11:13pm

One would nearly need to be a lawyer to make sure to interpret the language correctly. I'd be using organic mixtures and the're pricey. Will tackle the meadow first.
Help much appreciated. I mean here, not on the job.

PoorFarmer · 16-06-2019 11:56pm

Water John wrote:

Must check the seed mix I might use. It has cocksfoot, timothy and meadow fescue, just checked.

Where did you get this seed mix?

Base price · 17-06-2019 12:07am

Water John wrote: »

One would nearly need to be a lawyer to make sure to interpret the language correctly. I'd be using organic mixtures and the're pricey. Will tackle the meadow first.
Help much appreciated. I mean here, not on the job.

I would suggest that you cover your arse and check with your agri consultant before doing any reseeding. Just in case our interpretations of the rules are incorrect.

Base price · 17-06-2019 12:12am

PoorFarmer wrote: »

Where did you get this seed mix?

Most agri stores can source/supply the appropriate grass mixes.

PoorFarmer · 17-06-2019 8:43am

Base price wrote:

Most agri stores can source/supply the appropriate grass mixes.

Thanks Base. Was only looking for a couple of bags. Cleaned out a few ditches in THM over the winter and would be handy if I could throw out a few bags of seed similar to what is growing there already. Kerry not great to source specialised stuff in small quantities or maybe that's just my local branch

Water John · 17-06-2019 11:31am

These are organic, posting it as it's a bit difficult to locate on their website;
https://www.fruithillfarm.com/seeds-and-propagation/green-manures-and-forage-crops/grass-and-meadow-mixes.html

Seed is imported from Germany. Chat to Elmer.

Capercaillie · 17-06-2019 12:03pm

Water John wrote: »

Now the memory isn't that bad, here what it says about LIPP;

'Selected LPIS parcels must have been declared as forage on the SPS for the previous 8 years'

'Select a suitable pasture that contains a minimum of four grass species (excluding
Ryegrasses), for example cocksfoot, timothy, bent grasses, fescues, sweet vernal,
Yorkshire fog, etc and a minimum of three other non-grass plant species, for example
plantain, chickweed, trefoils etc and these must be reasonably dispersed throughout the
field. There must be less than 30% Ryegrass cover.'

This condition would seem to rule out reseeding but mixes are becoming available with plantain and other plants.

Basic standard for LIPP is disappointing low: 4 grass species and 3 other other non-grass species

ganmo · 17-06-2019 12:29pm

Capercaillie wrote: »

Basic standard for LIPP is disappointing low: 4 grass species and 3 other other non-grass species

they wanted people to be able to pick their options, if they put high standards on every option they wouldn't of gotten the uptake.

blue5000 · 17-06-2019 1:03pm

Capercaillie wrote: »

Basic standard for LIPP is disappointing low: 4 grass species and 3 other other non-grass species

No topping before July
Only 30 u N allowed per year
No supplementary feeding allowed
No P&K allowed

These are all additional costs too in terms of animal thrive/farm management.

Capercaillie · 17-06-2019 3:45pm

ganmo wrote: »

they wanted people to be able to pick their options, if they put high standards on every option they wouldn't of gotten the uptake.

Give farmers a better payment for the higher standard, ie results based and you would get uptake. What bother giving a payment for such low standards? It doesn't really benefit biodiversity?

Water John · 17-06-2019 3:53pm

I think a tiered scheme might be in order. Two/three levels with different payments.
I think they now know of somethings that didn't work. The Bride Valley Project and similar in other countries may give good templates.

Capercaillie · 17-06-2019 7:25pm

Water John wrote: »

I think a tiered scheme might be in order. Two/three levels with different payments.
I think they now know of somethings that didn't work. The Bride Valley Project and similar in other countries may give good templates.

IFA/DAFM wanted an agri-environmental schemes with the lowest standards possible so more farmers could enter the scheme. The end result is people get payment with basically no real benefit to biodiversity. Schemes like BRIDE project the way forward, farmers who put the effort get the reward.

NPWS going to have their farm schemes results based. They have already drawn up marking scheme for NPWS Corncrake Farm Plan.

blue5000 · 18-06-2019 12:21pm

Water John wrote: »

I think a tiered scheme might be in order. Two/three levels with different payments.
I think they now know of somethings that didn't work. The Bride Valley Project and similar in other countries may give good templates.

That would make sense, more species = higher payment per ha. I better get a few of them bee seed bombs and introduce a few non native flowers while I'm at it.;)
I started doing pasture base this year, said to the Teagasc adviser that it's hard to measure DM/ha for plantain.....by eyeballing it.:(

Sami23 · 24-06-2019 9:57am

Opinions please: I sowed my WBC in the middle of May. 2 year mix. Half in Oats and half in Kale. Walked it yesterday, the oats are doing fine a nice even take but the Kale seems to have failed completely for some reason

.
Question is would ye leave it and if there was an inspection show the receipts etc and explain it failed or would ye give it a light till and sow again.?
Tia

Danzy · 24-06-2019 10:04am

Sami23 wrote: »

Opinions please: I sowed my WBC in the middle of May. 2 year mix. Half in Oats and half in Kale. Walked it yesterday, the oats are doing fine a nice even take but the Kale seems to have failed completely for some reason .
Question is would ye leave it and if there was an inspection show the receipts etc and explain it failed or would ye give it a light till and sow again.?
Tia

I actually have the same problem, near same dates as well.

I am going to give it till next Thurs, then harrow and spread new seed.

They'll want to see a decent crop standing, that is what the money is for and only on what they'll pay.

Sami23 · 24-06-2019 10:13am

Danzy wrote: »

I actually have the same problem, near same dates as well.

I am going to give it till next Thurs, then harrow and spread new seed.

They'll want to see a decent crop standing, that is what the money is for and only on what they'll pay.

I'm leaning that way myself too. There's not a chance Kale will come up after this long.
Btw did you spread much fertiliser with yours 1st time round and did you roll after ?

Danzy · 24-06-2019 10:17am

Sami23 wrote: »

I'm leaning that way myself too. There's not a chance Kale will come up after this long.
Btw did you spread much fertiliser with yours 1st time round and did you roll after ?

I didn't spread any fertilizer.

The ground isn't that starved and have seen kake establish well enough without it.

I rolled after, then spread a bit more seed that was left over to be sure, to be sure.

Conditions were good. The other half of the wbc has lots of kale seedling volunteers from last year. It received no fertilizer either but will look like a kale field.

20silkcut · 24-06-2019 10:41am

Sami23 wrote: »

I'm leaning that way myself too. There's not a chance Kale will come up after this long.
Btw did you spread much fertiliser with yours 1st time round and did you roll after ?

If you go tilling the field to re establish the kale will you not uproot the oats ??!
Or have you the field Half in half ???

Sami23 · 24-06-2019 10:45am

20silkcut wrote: »

If you go tilling the field to re establish the kale will you not uproot the oats ??!
Or have you the field Half in half ???

Yeah half field in Oats, other half in Kale so no issue that way.
The Kale came fine when I sowed it 2 years ago so really baffled as to what happened this time as it got rain after sowing n all

Danzy · 24-06-2019 10:47am

I sowed phacelia and mustard as well with the kale few pounds of linseed.

Only the odd one grew,

Types of plants that grow, no matter what, especially mustard.

blue.dub4sam · 25-06-2019 12:35pm

I want to book a silage contactor today. Some of the meadow is under glass until Monday 1st July. Is it worth chancing for the weekend.

kerrysoul · 25-06-2019 12:56pm

Go for it. I topped LIPP fields last year around this time and got away with it.

Danzy · 25-06-2019 1:11pm

Kale seed and mustard bought, will scatter and light harrow.

The ground is in a way many individuals would scatter it and walk away.

Guessing it was the cold snap, there was no growth here, the field beside it, worse ground, is doing fantastic, sowed 10 days earlier.

Lady Haywire · 25-06-2019 1:44pm

blue.dub4sam wrote: »

I want to book a silage contactor today. Some of the meadow is under glass until Monday 1st July. Is it worth chancing for the weekend.

kerrysoul wrote: »

Go for it. I topped LIPP fields last year around this time and got away with it.

Just to play devils advocate here you will get fined severely if caught. Lad down the road cut meadow a few days before the 1st July & got thrown out of the scheme & had to pay back all the monies received. Able to back up their reasoning with dated satellite pics.

Not saying they'll catch you, but just keep it in mind.

Water John · 25-06-2019 1:49pm

Satellites don't take the weekend off. Just book in to cut on the 1st FFS. Why do some get an itch when told to do something by the rules?
BTW I'm no perfect myself. It will be baled as silage, probably nearer to haylage, not hay.

Sami23 · 25-06-2019 1:57pm

Water John wrote: »

Satellites don't take the weekend off. Just book in to cut on the 1st FFS. Why do some get an itch when told to do something by the rules?

The main reason for wanting to cut early is the weather and the hope of getting hay as weather is to break end of next week (weekend 6th/7th July) so cutting a few days early could make all the difference.

If this year was like last year there would be no problem with dates but unfortunately it's.

Say my name · 25-06-2019 2:18pm

Sami23 wrote: »

The main reason for wanting to cut early is the weather and the hope of getting hay as weather is to break end of next week (weekend 6th/7th July) so cutting a few days early could make all the difference.

If this year was like last year there would be no problem with dates but unfortunately it's.

6th and 7th is too far away for any certainty each way.

Tbh it looks like there's a bit of low pressure around this weekend and after that high pressure comes in again for a while.

Sami23 · 25-06-2019 2:20pm

Say my name wrote: »

6th and 7th is too far away for any certainty each way.

Tbh it looks like there's a bit of low pressure around this weekend and after that high pressure comes in again for a while.

Hopefully - #fingerscrossed

Say my name · 25-06-2019 2:23pm

Sami23 wrote: »

Hopefully - #fingerscrossed

Blame Water John if it doesn't. :pac:

endainoz · 25-06-2019 2:23pm

What's the date for topped LIPP again? 1st July is it?

Lady Haywire · 25-06-2019 2:29pm

endainoz wrote: »

What's the date for topped LIPP again? 1st July is it?

15th. 1st is Trad hay meadow.

Sami23 · 25-06-2019 2:34pm

Lady Haywire wrote: »

15th. 1st is Trad hay meadow.

No it's 1st July for topping LIPP also.

Just on GLAS in general do most of ye fill out the yearly RECORD BOOK's yourselves or get your planner to do it ?

Lady Haywire · 25-06-2019 2:47pm

Sami23 wrote: »

No it's 1st July for topping LIPP also.

Just on GLAS in general do most of ye fill out the yearly RECORD BOOK's yourselves or get your planner to do it ?

Ach you're right, i'm thinking of the original one. They amended it, didn't they. D'oh!

Water John · 25-06-2019 2:48pm

Feck off SNM, I'm blamed for enough things.

endainoz · 25-06-2019 3:35pm

Some reason the 15th was in my head, glad it's the 1st now

PoorFarmer · 25-06-2019 4:23pm

endainoz wrote:

Some reason the 15th was in my head, glad it's the 1st now

Was originally 15th in the specs for GLAS1 but was changed later to 1st.

Water John · 25-06-2019 4:24pm

The date used to be the 15th. Wouldn't be knocking down here in Cork today, real thunder threat and the big drops are falling.

endainoz · 25-06-2019 7:12pm

The weather is North Clare has been fantastic since the rain on Sunday, silage to be made tomorrow and it'll be done for the year then.

Danzy · 25-06-2019 10:22pm

endainoz wrote: »

The weather is North Clare has been fantastic since the rain on Sunday, silage to be made tomorrow and it'll be done for the year then.

With the crops gone away this month, there will be a lot for next year as well, I've never seen as many bán fields, never mind ones cut in May and the volume of grass was phenomenal.

Derval oRourke wouldn't even try hurdling the swarts.

Sami23 · 26-06-2019 8:30am

Sami23 wrote: »

Just on GLAS in general do most of ye fill out the yearly RECORD BOOK's yourselves or get your planner to do it ?

Anyone ?

Qprmeath · 26-06-2019 8:38am

Sami23 wrote: »

Anyone ?

Planner

PoorFarmer · 26-06-2019 9:23am

Sami23 wrote:

Anyone ?

Do them myself. Not a massive amount to do in it really

Sami23 · 26-06-2019 9:28am

PoorFarmer wrote: »

Do them myself. Not a massive amount to do in it really

That's why I was asking as I did them for 2017 myself and was going to do them for 2018 too but got letter from planner looking for receipts for fert, meal, WBC etc.
I rang up saying could I not fill it myself but was told that stuff had to be uploaded to system to be in compliance.

Sounds like he's just looking for handy few pound so as I didn't see anything in T&C's about any of that

TPF2012 · 26-06-2019 10:20am

Sami23 wrote:

Sounds like he's just looking for handy few pound so as I didn't see anything in T&C's about any of that

Do you very a bill from your planner every year for Glas?

Danzy · 26-06-2019 10:26am

Sami23 wrote: »

That's why I was asking as I did them for 2017 myself and was going to do them for 2018 too but got letter from planner looking for receipts for fert, meal, WBC etc.
I rang up saying could I not fill it myself but was told that stuff had to be uploaded to system to be in compliance.

Sounds like he's just looking for handy few pound so as I didn't see anything in T&C's about any of that

He needs you to be in compliance with his savings plan.

Sami23 · 26-06-2019 10:30am

TPF2012 wrote: »

Do you very a bill from your planner every year for Glas?

No I've had no bill from him since he did up my plan and NMP in 2016/2017.

Sami23 · 26-06-2019 10:32am

Danzy wrote: »

He needs you to be in compliance with his savings plan.

That's what I'm thinking alright but don't want to fall out with him either as there might be other schemes I'll need him for down the line.

Would it be possible he needs this info to update my NMP by any chance or is there any requirement for this to be done either ?

TPF2012 · 26-06-2019 10:33am

Sami23 wrote:

No I've had no bill from him since he did up my plan and NMP in 2016/2017.

I'm getting one for glas and BPS Application even though I've been doing it online myself every year besides the 1st year of scheme. Should I pay it as I don't see what work he did to earn it?

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