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GLAS thread

Muckit

There may be some interest in setting this up to help with any GLAS related items.

My questions (although not exclusively glas related) are as follows:

I have LIPP and l am trying to work out in real terms what chemical N l am allowed to put out.

So far l've converted the 40kg/ha limit to kg/acre which works put @ 16.19kg/acre.

Now take say a 50kg bag of CAN. That's 27%N so am l right in saying this works out @ 13.5kg? So really a bag of CAN is all that is allowed/annum?

Or if spreading typical compound like 18-6-12 that 1.5bags/acre can be comfortably spread?

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blue5000

Capercaillie wrote: »

Basic standard for LIPP is disappointing low: 4 grass species and 3 other other non-grass species

No topping before July
Only 30 u N allowed per year
No supplementary feeding allowed
No P&K allowed

These are all additional costs too in terms of animal thrive/farm management.

Capercaillie

ganmo wrote: »

they wanted people to be able to pick their options, if they put high standards on every option they wouldn't of gotten the uptake.

Give farmers a better payment for the higher standard, ie results based and you would get uptake. What bother giving a payment for such low standards? It doesn't really benefit biodiversity?

Water John

I think a tiered scheme might be in order. Two/three levels with different payments.
I think they now know of somethings that didn't work. The Bride Valley Project and similar in other countries may give good templates.

Capercaillie

Water John wrote: »

I think a tiered scheme might be in order. Two/three levels with different payments.
I think they now know of somethings that didn't work. The Bride Valley Project and similar in other countries may give good templates.

IFA/DAFM wanted an agri-environmental schemes with the lowest standards possible so more farmers could enter the scheme. The end result is people get payment with basically no real benefit to biodiversity. Schemes like BRIDE project the way forward, farmers who put the effort get the reward.

NPWS going to have their farm schemes results based. They have already drawn up marking scheme for NPWS Corncrake Farm Plan.

blue5000

Water John wrote: »

I think a tiered scheme might be in order. Two/three levels with different payments.
I think they now know of somethings that didn't work. The Bride Valley Project and similar in other countries may give good templates.

That would make sense, more species = higher payment per ha. I better get a few of them bee seed bombs and introduce a few non native flowers while I'm at it.;)
I started doing pasture base this year, said to the Teagasc adviser that it's hard to measure DM/ha for plantain.....by eyeballing it.:(

Sami23

Opinions please: I sowed my WBC in the middle of May. 2 year mix. Half in Oats and half in Kale. Walked it yesterday, the oats are doing fine a nice even take but the Kale seems to have failed completely for some reason

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Question is would ye leave it and if there was an inspection show the receipts etc and explain it failed or would ye give it a light till and sow again.?
Tia

Danzy

Sami23 wrote: »

Opinions please: I sowed my WBC in the middle of May. 2 year mix. Half in Oats and half in Kale. Walked it yesterday, the oats are doing fine a nice even take but the Kale seems to have failed completely for some reason .
Question is would ye leave it and if there was an inspection show the receipts etc and explain it failed or would ye give it a light till and sow again.?
Tia

I actually have the same problem, near same dates as well.

I am going to give it till next Thurs, then harrow and spread new seed.

They'll want to see a decent crop standing, that is what the money is for and only on what they'll pay.

Sami23

Danzy wrote: »

I actually have the same problem, near same dates as well.

I am going to give it till next Thurs, then harrow and spread new seed.

They'll want to see a decent crop standing, that is what the money is for and only on what they'll pay.

I'm leaning that way myself too. There's not a chance Kale will come up after this long.
Btw did you spread much fertiliser with yours 1st time round and did you roll after ?

Danzy

Sami23 wrote: »

I'm leaning that way myself too. There's not a chance Kale will come up after this long.
Btw did you spread much fertiliser with yours 1st time round and did you roll after ?

I didn't spread any fertilizer.

The ground isn't that starved and have seen kake establish well enough without it.

I rolled after, then spread a bit more seed that was left over to be sure, to be sure.

Conditions were good. The other half of the wbc has lots of kale seedling volunteers from last year. It received no fertilizer either but will look like a kale field.

20silkcut

Sami23 wrote: »

I'm leaning that way myself too. There's not a chance Kale will come up after this long.
Btw did you spread much fertiliser with yours 1st time round and did you roll after ?

If you go tilling the field to re establish the kale will you not uproot the oats ??!
Or have you the field Half in half ???

Sami23

20silkcut wrote: »

If you go tilling the field to re establish the kale will you not uproot the oats ??!
Or have you the field Half in half ???

Yeah half field in Oats, other half in Kale so no issue that way.
The Kale came fine when I sowed it 2 years ago so really baffled as to what happened this time as it got rain after sowing n all

Danzy

I sowed phacelia and mustard as well with the kale few pounds of linseed.

Only the odd one grew,

Types of plants that grow, no matter what, especially mustard.

blue.dub4sam

I want to book a silage contactor today. Some of the meadow is under glass until Monday 1st July. Is it worth chancing for the weekend.

kerrysoul

Go for it. I topped LIPP fields last year around this time and got away with it.

Danzy

Kale seed and mustard bought, will scatter and light harrow.

The ground is in a way many individuals would scatter it and walk away.

Guessing it was the cold snap, there was no growth here, the field beside it, worse ground, is doing fantastic, sowed 10 days earlier.

Lady Haywire

blue.dub4sam wrote: »

I want to book a silage contactor today. Some of the meadow is under glass until Monday 1st July. Is it worth chancing for the weekend.

kerrysoul wrote: »

Go for it. I topped LIPP fields last year around this time and got away with it.

Just to play devils advocate here you will get fined severely if caught. Lad down the road cut meadow a few days before the 1st July & got thrown out of the scheme & had to pay back all the monies received. Able to back up their reasoning with dated satellite pics.

Not saying they'll catch you, but just keep it in mind.

Water John

Satellites don't take the weekend off. Just book in to cut on the 1st FFS. Why do some get an itch when told to do something by the rules?
BTW I'm no perfect myself. It will be baled as silage, probably nearer to haylage, not hay.

Sami23

Water John wrote: »

Satellites don't take the weekend off. Just book in to cut on the 1st FFS. Why do some get an itch when told to do something by the rules?

The main reason for wanting to cut early is the weather and the hope of getting hay as weather is to break end of next week (weekend 6th/7th July) so cutting a few days early could make all the difference.

If this year was like last year there would be no problem with dates but unfortunately it's.

Say my name

Sami23 wrote: »

The main reason for wanting to cut early is the weather and the hope of getting hay as weather is to break end of next week (weekend 6th/7th July) so cutting a few days early could make all the difference.

If this year was like last year there would be no problem with dates but unfortunately it's.

6th and 7th is too far away for any certainty each way.

Tbh it looks like there's a bit of low pressure around this weekend and after that high pressure comes in again for a while.

Sami23

Say my name wrote: »

6th and 7th is too far away for any certainty each way.

Tbh it looks like there's a bit of low pressure around this weekend and after that high pressure comes in again for a while.

Hopefully - #fingerscrossed

Say my name

Sami23 wrote: »

Hopefully - #fingerscrossed

Blame Water John if it doesn't. :pac:

endainoz

What's the date for topped LIPP again? 1st July is it?

Lady Haywire

endainoz wrote: »

What's the date for topped LIPP again? 1st July is it?

15th. 1st is Trad hay meadow.

Sami23

Lady Haywire wrote: »

15th. 1st is Trad hay meadow.

No it's 1st July for topping LIPP also.

Just on GLAS in general do most of ye fill out the yearly RECORD BOOK's yourselves or get your planner to do it ?

Lady Haywire

Sami23 wrote: »

No it's 1st July for topping LIPP also.

Just on GLAS in general do most of ye fill out the yearly RECORD BOOK's yourselves or get your planner to do it ?

Ach you're right, i'm thinking of the original one. They amended it, didn't they. D'oh!

Water John

Feck off SNM, I'm blamed for enough things.

endainoz

Some reason the 15th was in my head, glad it's the 1st now

PoorFarmer

endainoz wrote:

Some reason the 15th was in my head, glad it's the 1st now

Was originally 15th in the specs for GLAS1 but was changed later to 1st.

Water John

The date used to be the 15th. Wouldn't be knocking down here in Cork today, real thunder threat and the big drops are falling.

endainoz

The weather is North Clare has been fantastic since the rain on Sunday, silage to be made tomorrow and it'll be done for the year then.