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New housing developments in Maynooth

  • 29-02-2016 11:58am
    #1
    L1011
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    Seeing as this got a lot of discussion on the "new shop" thread I thought it might be worth having a thread for it

    There's more stuff either in planning or under construction than there has been since the boom; some new some older plans that are extended or close to expiring


    Under Construction:

    Hayfield - currently 2 and 3 beds, opposite Esso - hayfield.ie
    Lime Tree Hall - 4 and 5 beds, opposite Old Tesco - http://www.daft.ie/kildare/new-homes-for-sale/lime-tree-hall-development-dublin-road-maynooth-kildare-55306/
    There are still new units being built at Moyglare Hall and Newtown Hall

    Planning:

    Planning files can be viewed on here - numbers are the file number http://kildare.ie/Countycouncil/OnlineServices/Onlineplanningenquiries/

    34 2/3/4 beds on the old Pitch and Putt site - 16/167 - not granted yet
    210 2/3/4 beds behind Lidl - refused but appealed to ABP - 15/200
    126 3/4 beds behind the Educate Together, further info requested - 15/263
    141 3/4 beds opposite New Tesco (other side of the boreen to Lime Tree Hall) - 09/246 (granted/extended to 2019)
    151 2/3 beds opposite halting site / Baptist church - 09/8 (granted/extended to 2020)
    83 1/2 bed apartments beside the RC church - 04/767 (granted/extended to September 2016)
    100 1/2/3/4 bed apartments/houses/student accommodation beside/behind the Divine Word missionaries - this has probably expired



    "Castlepark II", 14/637 was refused by ABP; but I fully expect a further plan here.


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  • #2
    mirrorwall14
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    I'd love one for North Kildare actually, I imagine a lot of people are like me in that i'm looking at Kilcock, Leixlip, Maynooth and Celbridge to buy a house. The info above is brilliant for Maynooth. I would have huge issues with what the traffic will be like in Maynooth though!


  • #3
    Asmooh
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    sale or rent? if its rent I guess they will be 2800 euros a month so nobody will be able to move in anyway.


  • #4
    mirrorwall14
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    Has anyone heard anything on the new builds out on the Celbridge road in Maynooth? They still haven't had anyone move into them


  • #5
    L1011
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    Asmooh wrote: »
    sale or rent? if its rent I guess they will be 2800 euros a month so nobody will be able to move in anyway.

    I would imagine all the houses are being sold and it is very unlikely they'll go to rental quickly. 3 beds are more like 1500 a month, though.

    When the college's new student accomodation blocks are finished and if the private sector one opposite the Roost gets built I would imagine a price drop in private rentals in Maynooth due to a major demand shift; particularly at the low end.


  • #6
    Moonbeam
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    mirrorwall14 wrote: »
    Has anyone heard anything on the new builds out on the Celbridge road in Maynooth? They still haven't had anyone move into them

    I drive past them a bit and I have seen a car come and go from 1 of them but no others. The asking price is crazy.
    http://www.myhome.ie/residential/brochure/ard-na-gr-ine-celbridge-rd-maynooth-co-kildare/3242515


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  • #7
    ixus
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    Asking prices have gone a bit nuts again. Another level from Castlepark's final phase.

    450k for a 4 bed semi in parklands. Decent house but looks like rented house beside it and hear students are causing hassle in area at night.

    550k for the detached in Limetree across from tesco. This has no extra lounge/office and master bedroom is in the attic. Can't compare that to castlepark for rooms or location.

    I know we need the ring road but, long term, a new motorway entrance on the Kilcock road is needed to facilitate the college.


  • #8
    Moonbeam
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    when we were buying 6 years ago,houses in Parklands were in that price range too but I found them small for the price. I do love the lay out and the look of the houses though.


  • #9
    Asmooh
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    L1011 wrote: »
    I would imagine all the houses are being sold and it is very unlikely they'll go to rental quickly. 3 beds are more like 1500 a month, though.

    When the college's new student accomodation blocks are finished and if the private sector one opposite the Roost gets built I would imagine a price drop in private rentals in Maynooth due to a major demand shift; particularly at the low end.

    Are you sure because in leixlip a old house is already around 1600+ a month


  • #10
    L1011
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    Asmooh wrote: »
    Are you sure because in leixlip a old house is already around 1600+ a month

    Check Daft etc. Leixlip is closer to Dublin and has a superior bus service.


  • #11
    Asmooh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭Asmooh


    L1011 wrote: »
    Check Daft etc. Leixlip is closer to Dublin and has a superior bus service.

    it only takes 3 minutes less with the train? :)


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  • #12
    L1011
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    Asmooh wrote: »
    it only takes 3 minutes less with the train? :)

    10 to Confey. 15 on a bus, of which there are more (and the 66a/b are quicker than the 67s Maynooth has)

    As a proportion of the journey that's quite significant.


  • #13
    Asmooh
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    L1011 wrote: »
    10 to Confey. 15 on a bus, of which there are more (and the 66a/b are quicker than the 67s Maynooth has)

    As a proportion of the journey that's quite significant.
    I understand, my stop is Leixlip Louisa Bridge and I missed the stop once because I was talking too much. Only takes a few minutes

    Hmm.. indeed 10 minutes according to irishrail.. but why would 10 minutes be worth so much extra money?


  • #14
    L1011
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    Asmooh wrote: »
    I understand, my stop is Leixlip Louisa Bridge and I missed the stop once because I was talking too much. Only takes a few minutes

    Hmm.. indeed 10 minutes according to irishrail.. but why would 10 minutes be worth so much extra money?

    80 hours a year.


  • #15
    Asmooh
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    L1011 wrote: »
    80 hours a year.

    lol... if people think like that :P


  • #16
    Rathkenny
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    The hoarding around the new road into Moyglare Hall was down this morning. I don't think the road is open yet but it looks imminent. I'm sure it will make a huge difference to the residents there.


  • #17
    donspeekinglesh
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    That'll only be for access to the new houses built near that entrance. Won't be open to the rest of the estate until all the houses are built back as far as the currently occupied houses.


  • #18
    Berserker
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    I drove through Maynooth this morning and the number of new housing units is crazy. Are three bed houses a thing of the past in Maynooth? Four or five bed seems to be the norm nowadays. Traffic in the town centre is going to be a nightmare.


  • #19
    ixus
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    There's enough supply of 2&3 in the town. And, anyway, these 5 beds are really just attic conversions.

    I viewed Moyglare Hall's 5 bed semi out of interest. It's a small 4bed semi with attic conversion. Detached same layout. Nothing compared to previous semi's that had an extra room to the side.


  • #20
    Berserker
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    ixus wrote: »
    There's enough supply of 2&3 in the town.

    Where is the supply of 2 & 3 beds in the town?


  • #21
    ixus
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    Lyreen apartments (above Manor Mills)
    Apartment complex across from Manor Mills
    Apartment block on Moyglare Road
    2's & 3's in Moyglare Hall
    Charter House
    2 bed apartment complex on back lanes of main street on both sides.
    2 bed apt complex on Dublin Road before bus stop.
    Glenroyal Hotel apartment complex.
    Apartment complex across from Glenroyal
    Straffan Wood
    Griffith Rath
    Newtown Hall
    Apt complex after Parsons St.

    That's off the top of my head. Does not include college supply that is present and due to come online soon.

    The town needs more family supply of 4's &5's.


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  • #22
    L1011
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    Permission gone in to change the apartment block at Hayfield from 4x 2 bed and 1x 3 bed to 6x 2 and 2x 1 - file 16/248


  • #23
    you2008
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    Hi, any sign of starting of new site further from Tesco? Is it not late for Nama already?


  • #24
    ixus
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    Cairn coming to Maynooth:

    http://www.irishtimes.com/business/commercial-property/cairn-homes-makes-project-clear-transfers-buys-new-site-1.2572381


    " and a six acre site at Moyglare in Maynooth.
    In a separate transaction, Cairn said it had contracted to acquire an additional site adjacent to the Moyglare site from York Capital, at a cost of €27 million.
    “We are delighted to announce the first site transfers under our Project Clear loan-to-own strategy, just three weeks after Cairn assumed all rights and obligations associated with this portfolio. The separate Maynooth site acquisition adds value to the adjoining Project Clear asset, creating potential for one of the largest developments in Maynooth, a key student and Dublin commuter belt community, as well as a prime location for foreign direct investment into Ireland,” said Cairn chief executive Michael Stanley."


  • #25
    ixus
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    http://m.independent.ie/business/cairn-homes-completes-first-asset-transfer-under-project-clear-34537848.html

    "Cairn acquired the site from York Capital at a cost of €27m. The company says the acquisition creates the potential for a 430-unit housing development in addition to a 500-bed student accommodation scheme.
    Cairn Homes chief executive Michael Stanley said the firm was "delighted" with the first site transfers under the loan-to-own strategy.
    "The separate Maynooth site acquisition adds value to the adjoining Project Clear asset, creating potential for one of the largest developments in Maynooth, a key student and Dublin commuter belt community, as well as a prime location for foreign direct investment into Ireland," Mr Stanley said."


  • #26
    L1011
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    I'm not sure which sites these are - unlike NAMA sites, Ulster Bank never made it too obvious what they held.

    I can't see anything north of the Main Street getting planning permission before the Meath arc of the ringroad is built (discussed on its thread)


  • #27
    ixus
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    Maynooth University Plan linked inside this page:

    https://www.maynoothuniversity.ie/alumni-office/events/maynooth-university-announces-public-consultation-dates-campus-master-plan-0

    Consultation open to public in April. They're looking to go from circa 11k to 16k students within next ten years.

    I'm quite concerned about the lack of planning fornthe future of the town. It is going to be a mess in a short period of time. The proposed ring road will be overrun quite quickly.

    Need a second access point from the M50 on Laragh road and possibly train station terminating in the college south campus in the long run. Followed by a continuation of the ring road around Moyglare and college to Laragh.

    On the flip side, I worry about a Limerick & Dell type scenario with Intel in the future.


  • #28
    ixus
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    L1011 wrote: »
    I'm not sure which sites these are - unlike NAMA sites, Ulster Bank never made it too obvious what they held.

    I can't see anything north of the Main Street getting planning permission before the Meath arc of the ringroad is built (discussed on its thread)

    And there was me thinking you knew everything! I' be guessing it's beside Moyglare Hall around the ring road.


  • #29
    L1011
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    ixus wrote: »
    And there was me thinking you knew everything! I' be guessing it's beside Moyglare Hall around the ring road.

    Nobody applied for planning on them yet :pac:
    ixus wrote: »
    On the flip side, I worry about a Limerick & Dell type scenario with Intel in the future.

    Dell was very low end manufacturing and quite easy to move (eventually Dell even sold the new factory in Poland to an outsourcer). Intels isn't low end at all, requires more infrastructure than available in some cheaper locations, and would be cripplingly expensive to move.

    They have one low cost economy plant, in China, making last-generation or older kit; everything else is still done in expensive countries (US, Ireland, Israel). Packaging and other low end stuff hasn't been done here in decades.


  • #30
    ixus
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    Would it be the land on Kairos? That makes sense. Other outlier is around Moyglare Abbey but I'd call Kairos.


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  • #31
    L1011
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    The divine wor(l?)d did at least look at selling stuff off


  • #32
    ixus
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    Good chance it's the 6 acres, but the 27mln spot? Unless Satchwell had some other package sold off. Moyglare Hall achieved around the 10mln mark at the right time i "heard". What gets 27mln today?

    Aside: google earth is such a powerful tool. I found that airstrip out in Kilcloon the week before it was reported about the Larkins. Thought it was some Colombian lads deal!


  • #33
    ixus
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    To add: GAA club has a lease on part of the Divine world's land. The training ground to the side is theirs. Club missed the last boat to make some coin. They need to do it this time round.

    And what about that St.Pauls site gone quiet. It was for rent at 4k per month a year or two back.

    And the undeveloped site beside Church. That pluse Kairos?


  • #34
    L1011
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    Those wouldn't be considered Moyglare I think. Adjacent to the future northern ring I'd agree with


  • #35
    lordgoat
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    i'd guess it's out by the ring road, anywhere else isn't really moyglare and for the numbers mentioned and size available elsewhere 27M doesn't match up.

    Still no go on the ring road - it's too messy a project, i think i may have to leave maynooth once all this kicks off, last couple of years traffic is just getting worse and worse, no coherent planning and the only thing i see is: Let's cash in for housing.


  • #36
    ixus
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    lordgoat wrote: »
    i'd guess it's out by the ring road, anywhere else isn't really moyglare and for the numbers mentioned and size available elsewhere 27M doesn't match up.

    Still no go on the ring road - it's too messy a project, i think i may have to leave maynooth once all this kicks off, last couple of years traffic is just getting worse and worse, no coherent planning and the only thing i see is: Let's cash in for housing.

    I'm seriously considering the same over the last couple of days. The traffic doesn't overly affect me right now as I avoid it.

    It's the future build up of estates, the college, the road network and the lack of any foresight in joining all this together that makes me think the down will be a mess in the next few years.


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  • #37
    lordgoat
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    ixus wrote: »
    I'm seriously considering the same over the last couple of days. The traffic doesn't overly affect me right now as I avoid it.

    It's the future build up of estates, the college, the road network and the lack of any foresight in joining all this together that makes me think the down will be a mess in the next few years.

    Exactly the same here, not affecting me at all right now but I think the look of the town is changing. For example heading out to tesco:
    a) the apartments are too close to the road - they look awful
    b) who wants to own that apartment?

    Real Estate Agent "And if you look out your sitting room window you have a lovely view of Tesco Car Park, to the left McDonalds and yes that is the line of traffic you can join in seconds before snailing it through the village - The price? A reasonalbe 220k"


  • #38
    L1011
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    L1011 wrote: »
    126 3/4 beds behind the Educate Together, further info requested - 15/263

    Withdrawn.

    15/200 appeal is to be decided by the end of May.

    I suspect new plans will be submitted for both sites in time.


  • #39
    ixus
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    All they have to do is offer funds for Ring Road and they'll get the planning.

    Maynooth Camps Mater Plan on display in the North Campus at the moment. Public consultation Thurs at 7pm, Iontas building. One of the new ones across from the Arts block.


  • #40
    Raminahobbin
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    I actually can't believe they're looking for so much for the new houses across from Tesco. The houses are going for North of 380K, with what looks to me like the one facing the road going for 490K


  • #41
    ixus
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    Who doesn't want the sweet smell of McDonalds & diesel when they open their window. Or, to hear the student "banter" at 2am.


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  • #42
    L1011
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    A further application has gone in for 117 student units at the old Buckley house and surrounding lands - 16/328. Not sure what happened to the previous applications.

    While not available to non-students, the more student units built the lower amount of pressure on low-end rentals and so on which should have an overall impact on prices.


  • #43
    ixus
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    I hear a batch of the Israeli engineers are heading home after completing their stint. There are also no replacements on the way as of yet. Should knock the steam out of the high end over the coming months. This will affect North Kildare and Laraghcon in Lucan.

    Low end property may be purchased for social housing with the 86mln warchest the council has.


  • #44
    Moonbeam
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    Raminahobbin wrote: »
    I actually can't believe they're looking for so much for the new houses across from Tesco. The houses are going for North of 380K, with what looks to me like the one facing the road going for 490K

    Gorgeous looking house,Maynooth is awesome but I think the location in Maynooth is a serious turn off.
    I presume they are selling no problem though.


  • #45
    L1011
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    Personally I think the LTH houses are plug ugly; but I do live in a (large, admittedly) concrete box with a drainpipe down the centre of the front wall, so...


  • #46
    mirrorwall14
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    Went over to view a second hand in Maynooth this evening (which was in brutal condition!) but having rented in Celbridge for a few years now (cheaper rent) I'm not sure if I want to actually buy in Maynooth-the traffic is just brutal! And with all the new houses I'm just not seeing where the traffic is going to go


  • #47
    Moonbeam
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    Traffic sucks,it is a nightmare which is one of the reasons we bought between motorway and train station.
    There are ways to avoid the main street during rush hour well rush 10 hours.
    It is a fantastic place to live though.


  • #48
    n97 mini
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    I was of the impression that when the council sprayed the town with traffic lights that Maynooth traffic got significantly worse... and therefore there is room for improvement?

    They only got the lights on Main St/Captains Hill in Leixlip right a couple of years ago.


  • #49
    L1011
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    The lights at SuperValu are massive contributors but would cause much wailing if removed


  • #50
    Moonbeam
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    To a degree it is also to do with the quality of the driving,people constantly block yellow box junctions and where possible park in them.(yellow boxes not junctions)


  • #51
    Staplor
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    The problem with Maynooth is the lack of a ring road, but mostly link the Motorway to the college (properly), if it means an exit slightly further towards Kilcock then do it. Look at Ballymount and Naas Rd. it can be done, they just choose not to saying that they'd be too close.

    They choose to funnel all the traffic through the Main St, it's bonkers. The solution is not bike lanes.


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