New England Patriots Thread Mod Warning Post #253

AbusesToilets · 29-06-2020 11:32am

If Cam is healthy, he's gonna be the starter. He's a top 10 QB, if not higher. His running ability, even constrained from previous years, will be a massive boon to an offense with limited talent for receivers.

ELM327 · 29-06-2020 11:34am

AbusesToilets wrote: »

If Cam is healthy, he's gonna be the starter. He's a top 10 QB, if not higher. His running ability, even constrained from previous years, will be a massive boon to an offense with limited talent for receivers.

I really don't think he is.
He doesnt play the role we need from a QB, a sensible game manager with a cool head and ability to make clutch throws.

In fact, cam probably has none of that.

Shedite27 · 29-06-2020 11:35am

Yeah if Cam is healthy, he's the starter. Great addition to the team, and is less reliant on the WR group (which obviously suits NE's current set)

AbusesToilets · 29-06-2020 11:38am

ELM327 wrote: »

I really don't think he is.
He doesnt play the role we need from a QB, a sensible game manager with a cool head and ability to make clutch throws.

In fact, cam probably has none of that.

He's an excellent QB, as his career has shown, capable of elevating lesser players to success. Look at his roster at WR over the last while, absolute garbage outside of Greg Olsen.

He's exactly what the team needs, and his running ability will allow us to exploit RPOs that we haven't been capable of with Tom.

eagle eye · 29-06-2020 11:40am

AbusesToilets wrote:

He's an excellent QB, as his career has shown, capable of elevating lesser players to success. Look at his roster at WR over the last while, absolute garbage outside of Greg Olsen.

He WAS an excellent QB. He hasn't shown anything, when fit, for quite a while now.

Christy42 · 29-06-2020 11:42am

eagle eye wrote: »

Lol, you've seen Cam being poor when he's not injured over the last few years and you know nothing about Stidham and you say that as if it's fact.

A healthy Cam vs Stidham is not a contest. I have checked up on Stidham. He seems fine I guess. He might develop but I certainly wouldn't be expecting a serious offense next season with him on the field.

Someone mentioned BB knowing more than them and that is obviously true for me as well. However BB did also just sign Cam and I am willing to bet pretending to be Jackson on the practice squad was not mentioned. There are plenty of cheap guys who could do the same thing.

AbusesToilets · 29-06-2020 11:51am

eagle eye wrote: »

He WAS an excellent QB. He hasn't shown anything, when fit, for quite a while now.

As opposed to Stidham, whose career highlight is Pick 6? I get the reservations re: Cam's health, but this is an absolute win for the team. Gives us some hope for a successful season.

Christy42 · 29-06-2020 12:01pm

AbusesToilets wrote: »

As opposed to Stidham, whose career highlight is Pick 6? I get the reservations re: Cam's health, but this is an absolute win for the team. Gives us some hope for a successful season.

One of the worse pick 6s from a QB perspective from last season as well.

Cam's health is a massive risk factor but his contract is tiny. Massive potential upside to the Pats. Little downside if it goes wrong.

eagle eye · 29-06-2020 12:29pm

Christy42 wrote:

A healthy Cam vs Stidham is not a contest. I have checked up on Stidham. He seems fine I guess. He might develop but I certainly wouldn't be expecting a serious offense next season with him on the field.

All we have to go on as regards Stidham is his preseason last year. I was impressed, said it at the time and a few times since.
It's clear he hoovered up everything he could from Brady is a very short time.

Christy42 wrote:

Someone mentioned BB knowing more than them and that is obviously true for me as well. However BB did also just sign Cam and I am willing to bet pretending to be Jackson on the practice squad was not mentioned. There are plenty of cheap guys who could do the same thing.

BB just signed a high profile black man in the midst of the biggest anti-racist campaign in a long time.
I'm sure he'll work in plays that get Cam on the field but Brady wasn't forced out to sign Can Newton.

Tommybojangles · 29-06-2020 12:41pm

Im 99% sure well see Cam start week 1.
I dont see any way that Belechik would bring in such a high profile player, and all the attention that goes with it, to be a backup. People like Hoyer have been his go to over the years.
And my Stitham jersey is in the post ðŸ˜ðŸ˜

D9Male · 29-06-2020 1:40pm

eagle eye wrote: »

I still fully expect Stidham to be the starter. Cam Newton hasn't looked the same player for a while now.
I don't understand the move outside of it being a public relations exercise with the #blacklivesmatter and all that.

This post makes absolutely no sense to me.

Putting aside his MVP season, as he is unlikely to reach those heights again, and ignoring the couple of injury-ravaged games last season, Newton would slot in as probably the best back up in the league. A definite upgrade on Hoyer. His PFF passer grade in the three seasons (2016-2018) was 70. That is solid starter territory, and before you factor in his significant upside as a runner.

His contract is reported to be closer to $1mm before incentives. I think it is a great deal for the Patriots. I have no opinion on Stidham (albeit it would be remarkable if he is the real deal) but let's just say he is set to be a diamond. The risk of him being injured and clearly there is a risk of him not being up to snuff more than justifies having a guy like Newton as back up.

Why anybody would think it has anything to do with BLM is beyond me.

Christy42 · 29-06-2020 1:49pm

eagle eye wrote: »

All we have to go on as regards Stidham is his preseason last year. I was impressed, said it at the time and a few times since.
It's clear he hoovered up everything he could from Brady is a very short time.

BB just signed a high profile black man in the midst of the biggest anti-racist campaign in a long time.
I'm sure he'll work in plays that get Cam on the field but Brady wasn't forced out to sign Can Newton.

No one is suggesting that Brady was forced out for Cam??? The suggestion that he signed Cam to stay woke is ridiculous. No one is bullying Bill into any signing he doesn't want on his team.

Preseason is mini nfl. Not the nfl. Bill felt the need to pull him from an already won game. I am not sure Bill sees him as a starter yet. Maybe he feels he can mould something. I agree, you have been high on Stidham for a long time and have seen posts to that effect. I disagree with this assessment. This is evidence Bill is unsure of Stidham, not about Bill being woke of all things.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero · 29-06-2020 3:08pm

Good to see us getting Cam. Had no real excitement for the season ahead but that's changed now. Still don't expect us to be Superbowl contenders but we'll see what magic BB can work.

D9Male wrote: »

Why anybody would think it has anything to do with BLM is beyond me.

Have a feeling why it was mentioned myself..

BizzyC · 29-06-2020 3:46pm

I like the move for Cam.
The last couple of seasons have been rough on him, he's had very little consistency from his WR group over the past 2-3 years, as a collective they have to be high up there on drops. The you look at Olsen who was always his rock and he's been on and off non stop with injuries himself.
Compare his performances from when he had Olsen vs without, he simply couldn't rely on his receiving group to get open or catch the ball.

As impressive Stidham was in pre-season last year, it was still pre-season. He hasn't shown anything in games yet and he's going to have a new offence to learn this season same as Cam since there's very little chance that they run the same scheme minus Brady to steer it.

This move has the potential to elevate the offence next season, at worse we get a fantastic backup with a chance to use him to improve our redzone offence on a very cheap deal.

The deal makes complete sense, I dont see how anyone could possibly think this is some sort of BLM lead move

Loughc · 29-06-2020 7:55pm

Yeah I have to say it’s a good deal. It’s a one year deal so certainly no risk on the pats end.

j8wk2feszrnpao · 01-07-2020 1:05pm

Loughc wrote: »

Yeah I have to say it’s a good deal. It’s a one year deal so certainly no risk on the pats end.

For the money involved, it’s worth the risk. If he’s healthy (and stays healthy) he’ll definitely start and gives the Pat a good shot at winning the division.

el Fenomeno · 11-07-2020 11:44pm

Up to $7.75m cap space after getting $4m back from the AB grievance and $2.55m back from the Hernandez grievance.

Interesting to see what we do with it.

el Fenomeno · 28-07-2020 12:11pm

Looks like both Marcus Cannon and Dan Vitale have opted out of playing next year if the season goes ahead. Understandable I suppose given Cannon's medical history and I believe Vitale has a newborn.

el Fenomeno · 28-07-2020 12:39pm

Add Hightower to that list now also. He's opted out.

That'll be Hightower, Collins and Van Noy gone from our LBs from last year. Runaway leaders in terms of snap count.

me89 · 28-07-2020 1:11pm

el Fenomeno wrote: »

Add Hightower to that list now also. He's opted out.

That'll be Hightower, Collins and Van Noy gone from our LBs from last year. Runaway leaders in terms of snap count.

Add Brandon Bolden to the list

We now have over 24 million in cap space of we want to make a move

Shedite27 · 28-07-2020 2:17pm

me89 wrote: »

Add Brandon Bolden to the list

We now have over 24 million in cap space of we want to make a move

Could a lucrative year for those that want to play!

el Fenomeno · 28-07-2020 4:57pm

Chung sits out too.

Not looking good!

StringerBell · 30-07-2020 10:39am

Just call the thing off for the year at this stage.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero · 30-07-2020 11:20am

It's stupid going ahead at all. Some teams already more disadvantaged than others and still at least a week before even more drop out.

Also 32 teams each with a 100 person team/backroom. 3200 people. You'd surely think the chances of at least 1 of them getting Covid over the season is practically 100%. If one team has a multiple cases they're surely conceding at least 2 games. That is a massive advantage for the other teams in their divisions.
And tbh you'd expect players from at least 5-10 teams to test positive at some point. This is going to be an absolute shítshow of a season if it goes ahead.

ELM327 · 30-07-2020 11:46am

I agree, should be called off.

BaronVon · 30-07-2020 3:52pm

Or postponed until the new year as a minimum, with a reduced schedule.

ELM327 · 30-07-2020 3:59pm

Probably easier to just cancel the season. At this point there's no pre season, so teams have to make roster cuts blindly.
The only reason I think they havent done it already is money

Foxtrol · 30-07-2020 4:49pm

ELM327 wrote: »

Probably easier to just cancel the season. At this point there's no pre season, so teams have to make roster cuts blindly.
The only reason I think they havent done it already is money

A few weeks ago you were adamant that a full league year would go ahead. At that point they'd already cut 2 preseason games and there was no sign of any agreement with players on how they'd return.

I still don't think a full season will happen but it is more likely now than it was when you said you'd bet it would take place. The current rate of players opting out of around 1% is absolutely nothing to the league.

Guffy · 30-07-2020 6:24pm

Foxtrol wrote: »

A few weeks ago you were adamant that a full league year would go ahead. At that point they'd already cut 2 preseason games and there was no sign of any agreement with players on how they'd return.

I still don't think a full season will happen but it is more likely now than it was when you said you'd bet it would take place. The current rate of players opting out of around 1% is absolutely nothing to the league.

The situation is fluid, people are allowed to change their opinions

Foxtrol · 30-07-2020 6:51pm

Guffy wrote: »

The situation is fluid, people are allowed to change their opinions

Of course they can but it just seems strange when you look league wide things now look better than when that poster made their original bet that there'd be a full season.

I'd be interested in hearing the logic behind the complete reversal in mindset

ELM327 · 31-07-2020 10:14am

Foxtrol wrote: »

Of course they can but it just seems strange when you look league wide things now look better than when that poster made their original bet that there'd be a full season.

I'd be interested in hearing the logic behind the complete reversal in mindset

The fact that the US has gotten a lot worse in terms of cases, and players have started to opt out.

Foxtrol · 31-07-2020 2:26pm

ELM327 wrote: »

The fact that the US has gotten a lot worse in terms of cases, and players have started to opt out.

Where we are now is exactly the direction things were trending at that point.

The difference though then was we didnt have any agreement with players to actually return and we had no idea how many would test positive on arrival. All of that has gone relatively smoothly and given that players were always going to opt out only around 1% doing so is pretty low (you'd nearly see more arrests during off-season).

Though I questioned you I'm glad more people are taking it seriously. The more the the public, players, and everyone involved with teams take it as being a risk that the season mightn't happen, the more likely it will.

el Fenomeno · 01-08-2020 9:40pm

Marqise Lee has opted out too. That's seven players now, no one else has more than two.

Shame really, I fancied him to make the roster and have a good year if he stayed healthy.

Utopia Parkway · 02-08-2020 6:16pm

LaCosse opts out.

8th Pats player to do so.

BKWDR · 03-08-2020 6:23am

Is it because of all the states, mass is the best of them. But once they travel to another state it can be a **** show

el Fenomeno · 30-08-2020 9:20am

https://nypost.com/2020/08/29/the-dynasty-shows-how-serious-tom-bradys-2018-thumb-injury-really-was/

This is a great read on the infamous thumb injury Brady had before the AFC Championship game against the Jaguars a couple of years ago.

AbusesToilets · 31-08-2020 1:40am

el Fenomeno wrote: »

https://nypost.com/2020/08/29/the-dynasty-shows-how-serious-tom-bradys-2018-thumb-injury-really-was/

This is a great read on the infamous thumb injury Brady had before the AFC Championship game against the Jaguars a couple of years ago.

Just read it there, wild how close Brady came to having his career ended

ScrubsfanChris · 02-09-2020 11:11pm

Rumours Sanu has been let go
Waste of time that was......

el Fenomeno · 03-09-2020 6:32am

ScrubsfanChris wrote: »

Rumours Sanu has been let go
Waste of time that was......

Forget time, its the 2nd round pick we traded for him that annoys me :mad:

me89 · 03-09-2020 7:01am

el Fenomeno wrote: »

Forget time, its the 2nd round pick we traded for him that annoys me :mad:

It's alright, they tried a quick fix last year and it didn't work. He wasn't lighting it up in camp and it saves 6.5 million in cap space.

AbusesToilets · 03-09-2020 1:11pm

How bad must he have been to get cut? Not a great development a week out from the season opener

j8wk2feszrnpao · 03-09-2020 1:18pm

AbusesToilets wrote: »

How bad must he have been to get cut? Not a great development a week out from the season opener

That's what I was thinking. Reports haven't been great about the offense during camp, so it must be injury surely?

AbusesToilets · 03-09-2020 2:05pm

munstermagic11 wrote: »

That's what I was thinking. Reports haven't been great about the offense during camp, so it must be injury surely?

Seems maybe it was because he couldn't get seperation? Strange one, but maybe they have a trade in the works.

Christy42 · 03-09-2020 11:00pm

Cam unsurprisingly announced as starter.

Hopefully back to full health as he is a fun player to watch

StringerBell · 04-09-2020 3:05am

No surprise no, well except to whoever t was here that was certain BB was going with Stidham!

Hopefully he can stay healthy

Also supposed to be signing earl Thomas on a 2 year deal, haven't looked into it anymore than its rumoured to be for 16mil

j8wk2feszrnpao · 04-09-2020 8:17am

Christy42 wrote: »

Cam unsurprisingly announced as starter.

Hopefully back to full health as he is a fun player to watch

It was the only thing from preventing him from starting.
Will have to see if he can hold up when the games come along.

AbusesToilets · 04-09-2020 4:07pm

StringerBell wrote: »

No surprise no, well except to whoever t was here that was certain BB was going with Stidham!

Hopefully he can stay healthy

Also supposed to be signing earl Thomas on a 2 year deal, haven't looked into it anymore than its rumoured to be for 16mil

Really? Interesting pick up if true. He seems to be quite divise a figure

el Fenomeno · 04-09-2020 4:59pm

StringerBell wrote: »

Also supposed to be signing earl Thomas on a 2 year deal, haven't looked into it anymore than its rumoured to be for 16mil

According to who? I havent seen this anywhere...

StringerBell · 05-09-2020 4:57pm

el Fenomeno wrote: »

According to who? I havent seen this anywhere...

Came across it on social media, one of those sports reporters but was looking for something else so I didn't click in. Haven't looked into it beyond that, I'll see if I can track anything down sure

Edit: From a quick dive I can't see anything other than speculative posts talking about him coming in to fill the Chung shaped hole in the D and then articles talking about why we should steer clear for the most part so I guess it was BS.

j8wk2feszrnpao · 08-09-2020 2:33pm

A few Pats games from 2010/2011 came up on my YouTube feed today. Brady's weapons, Gronk, Welker, Branch, Hernandez, Ochocinco, and Edelman on ST's. No wonder he left for Tampa

The defense at that time, in 2011 they were the 31st defense in terms of yards, and they somehow got to the SB.

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