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US2 · 10-07-2020 11:57am

Jason Lowe is going to be a top player. If he doesn't pick up a title this week I'm sure he will soon

US2 · 10-07-2020 12:41pm

Dolan out first round to ward. Carling knocked out durrant too. Micky Mansel also knocked out Rob Cross

Dillonb3 · 10-07-2020 1:32pm

US2 wrote: »

Dolan out first round to ward. Carling knocked out durrant too. Micky Mansel also knocked out Rob Cross

Lennon beats Clemens handily, Teehan hammered by Matthew Edgar 6-0

Lennon plays Steve Brown next round

Dillonb3 · 10-07-2020 1:43pm

O'Connor lost 6-4

US2 · 10-07-2020 2:06pm

Aaron beeny wins his first ever professional game. Delighted for the lad after all the abuse he was getting for winning his card with such a low average at Q school.

Nathan Derry now the only player on the tour yet to win a game this year.

Kingp35 · 10-07-2020 2:27pm

US2 wrote: »

Aaron beeny wins his first ever professional game. Delighted for the lad after all the abuse he was getting for winning his card with such a low average at Q school.

Fair play to him but Scott Waites averaged a miserable 77 to Beeney's 81. Waites is such a hot and cold player.

US2 · 10-07-2020 2:34pm

Kingp35 wrote: »

Fair play to him but Scott Waites averaged a miserable 77 to Beeney's 81. Waites is such a hot and cold player.

I doubt he cares hes after beating a two time world champ and former PDC major winner. Hopefully it gives him confidence to improve his game a bit now.

Justin Credible Darts · 10-07-2020 3:21pm

what a surprise...

smith and chisnall out early.....those players that never won a thing of note in the pdc

some tasty games coming up including Wade -v- MVG

US2 · 10-07-2020 3:37pm

Smith won 4 euro tours which are on stage with crowd and cameras. He won a TV tournament in Australia along with a few pro tours. World championship finalist. Premier league finalist.

Over 100 players on the tour could only dream of being half as successful as him.

Did he refuse to sign an autograph for you or something:)

Justin Credible Darts · 10-07-2020 8:39pm

US2 wrote: »

Smith won 4 euro tours which are on stage with crowd and cameras. He won a TV tournament in Australia along with a few pro tours. World championship finalist. Premier league finalist.

Over 100 players on the tour could only dream of being half as successful as him.

Did he refuse to sign an autograph for you or something:)

You can rattle of his minor events like euro tours, which has been the highlight of his career., which only proves my point.

you can try hoodwink people in to thinking an invitational non ranking world series event in Australia is something special

But the fact is he is the pdc #5 and has never won a proper major in his entire career. Every proper final he has got to he has lost in. Neither has Ian White, nor Dave chisnall won anything of note.
They are todays versions of Terry Jenkins, Ronnie Baxter, chris Mason., Wayne Mardle etc, players hyped for their "potential" that all failed to deliver.

If Smith ever does win majors, then I will accept he is a top player, but until you win actual proper trophies you are not a top player, simple as that.

Justin Credible Darts · 11-07-2020 4:37pm

smith played Wade in the quarters.

Wade beat him yet again, that is now 17 wins in 21 games for wade over smith.

Joe Murnan sent MVG packing 6-3 in the early rounds

peteeeed · 12-07-2020 10:05pm

Good luck to Dave Clark , done a lot for darts on sky

https://twitter.com/daveclarktv/status/1282374305825861632?s=21

siblers · 12-07-2020 11:36pm

Always came across really likeable when he was interviewed over the years on Newstalk and he has a great knowledge of sports , I've pretty much grown up with him on Sky.

PTH2009 · 17-07-2020 7:39pm

Loved Dave Clark as a presenter and made it look so easy, the fact he had a serious illness made it even more amazing

im guessing Laura Woods will be doing it full time now,happy enough with that

:D

US2 · 17-07-2020 7:55pm

PTH2009 wrote: »

Loved Dave Clark as a presenter and made it look so easy, the fact he had a serious illness made it even more amazing

im guessing Laura Woods will be doing it full time now,happy enough with that :D

Jaqui Oakley works with sky now for the football would love to see her get the darts gig too. She's very good on itv you can tell she loves darts .

Justin Credible Darts · 17-07-2020 8:41pm

never liked him.

Always thought he was rubbish and said so long years before he was ever diagnosed.
Remember he took over the darts from Jeff Stelling who was far better, so Dave always felt a poor replacement, and when he was diagnosed, there was no way Sky would replace him, no matter how rubbish he was.

bassy · 17-07-2020 9:08pm

Matchplay tomorrow,who you guys fancy to win it apart from mvg ?.

Justin Credible Darts · 17-07-2020 9:09pm

bassy wrote: »

Matchplay tomorrow,who you guys fancy to win it apart from mvg ?.

Surely the ex bdo lads like durrant have a good chance.....they are well used to playing in front of no one

bassy · 17-07-2020 9:14pm

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

Surely the ex bdo lads like durrant have a good chance.....they are well used to playing in front of no one

Your gonna upset a few Justin

Degag · 18-07-2020 10:52pm

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

never liked him.

Always thought he was rubbish and said so long years before he was ever diagnosed.
Remember he took over the darts from Jeff Stelling who was far better, so Dave always felt a poor replacement, and when he was diagnosed, there was no way Sky would replace him, no matter how rubbish he was.

Which is a fair enough point i guess. But you rubbished him before while ridiculing the disease that he has which is frankly disgusting.

Justin Credible Darts · 23-07-2020 7:49pm

look at all the pdc major winners now gone out of this comp

MVG
Wade
Cross
Price
Gurney
Wright

and look at the glorified floor heroes doing well.

Smith is now the highest ranked player left against a heap of tv chokers, players past their past etc, and I still think the "world#5" who has never won a thing of note will still find a way to lose this comp.

If he fails to win this with so many top players gone out, i dont think he will ever win one and will be the new jenkins

bassy · 23-07-2020 7:56pm

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

look at all the pdc major winners now gone out of this comp

MVG
Wade
Cross
Price
Gurney
Wright

and look at the glorified floor heroes doing well.

Smith is now the highest ranked player left against a heap of tv chokers, players past their past etc, and I still think the "world#5" who has never won a thing of note will still find a way to lose this comp.

If he fails to win this with so many top players gone out, i dont think he will ever win one and will be the new jenkins

The polish eagle won't roll over easy

Justin Credible Darts · 23-07-2020 8:00pm

bassy wrote: »

The polish eagle won't roll over easy

that 161 was class from him
his second ton plus out on the bull as well

US2 · 24-07-2020 2:46pm

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

look at all the pdc major winners now gone out of this comp

MVG
Wade
Cross
Price
Gurney
Wright

and look at the glorified floor heroes doing well.

Smith is now the highest ranked player left against a heap of tv chokers, players past their past etc, and I still think the "world#5" who has never won a thing of note will still find a way to lose this comp.

If he fails to win this with so many top players gone out, i dont think he will ever win one and will be the new jenkins

Just last week you told me Anderson and Lewis were better than smith. Now this week theyre past their best and smith should walk to the title. Your a gas man.

Justin Credible Darts · 25-07-2020 1:34am

US2 wrote: »

Just last week you told me Anderson and Lewis were better than smith. .

where did I say that ?

Do my opinions irritate you so much that you are now reduced to lying ?
I never said what you claim.

bassy · 25-07-2020 1:41am

durrant was a very lucky lucky boy,then again he did not play well at all.
dunno what vdv was at with hes moaning and stupid throw that cost him in that leg,that was hes fault.
and him giving it to the ref at the end,get to fook vdv you **** ur bricks.....................................
i exspect the winner of ando v smith to win it out now.

Justin Credible Darts · 25-07-2020 3:32am

bassy wrote: »

durrant was a very lucky lucky boy,then again he did not play well at all.
dunno what vdv was at with hes moaning and stupid throw that cost him in that leg,that was hes fault.
and him giving it to the ref at the end,get to fook vdv you **** ur bricks.....................................
i exspect the winner of ando v smith to win it out now.

Durrant is a nice guy, and unlike White, Speed jobber Vinny and so many others he does not choke.

But...has Glen ever beaten a top player in full flow ?
Wright has beaten Glen I think six times, and Glens only wins are when the top players are out of form, or gets drawn against guys who beat the top players, or plays TV chokers.
He does get lucky draws, but as soon as a player averages something decent over a long format he loses.

That said I would like to see him win it, as time is running out for him to win an event as he must be 50 years old now.

As for Vinny, even at 10-5 up the majority of the forum I post on still were picking durrant as Vinny is a jobber, always has been always will be, and acted the maggot throwing under arm, and tried to blame the caller Kirk Bevins for his own failings.

bassy · 25-07-2020 1:06pm

Winner of Ando v Smith wins the 2nd biggie in darts.well I think if Ando beats Smith he will win it out,could be a different story if blubberboy beats Ando cause he could choke in final if it's durrant he plays.

bassy · 25-07-2020 1:09pm

My 4 bets for the day

2.25 chief of chiefs 9/1 ascot EW

2.40 Elarqaam 2.40 2/1 York win

3.00 Tsar 7/4 WIN

4.10 frontispice 8/1 EW

Liamalone · 25-07-2020 1:15pm

bassy wrote: »

My 4 bets for the day

2.25 chief of chiefs 9/1 ascot EW

2.40 Elarqaam 2.40 2/1 York win

3.00 Tsar 7/4 WIN

4.10 frontispice 8/1 EW

How many 180's though?

bassy · 25-07-2020 1:25pm

Liamalone wrote: »

How many 180's though?

Oh **** sorry guys lol,wrong thread.to many last night lol please remove.......

Deeper Blue · 25-07-2020 2:38pm

I reckon Anderson will beat Smith easily

Other game is hard to call, hoping for a Dimitri win there but Durrant is a grinder

Justin Credible Darts · 25-07-2020 6:25pm

El Sueño wrote: »

I reckon Anderson will beat Smith easily

Other game is hard to call, hoping for a Dimitri win there but Durrant is a grinder

I think in full flow dimitri can be better, but he is too erratic
Glen on the other hand is a solid player who will do around 95 all the time, and whilst not a elite top player, will be more than enough over the longer distance for dimi.

As for the other, both heavy maximum hitters, both sketchy on doubles, but Ando has won big semi finals, smith you have to question his bottle.

Think if durrant wins, he beats smith in the Final, but if he plays Ando, then Ando wins the final.

Only way I see smith winning the title is if he plays dimi

bassy · 25-07-2020 8:16pm

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

I think in full flow dimitri can be better, but he is too erratic
Glen on the other hand is a solid player who will do around 95 all the time, and whilst not a elite top player, will be more than enough over the longer distance for dimi.

As for the other, both heavy maximum hitters, both sketchy on doubles, but Ando has won big semi finals, smith you have to question his bottle.

Think if durrant wins, he beats smith in the Final, but if he plays Ando, then Ando wins the final.

Only way I see smith winning the title is if he plays dimi

Totally agree with all that Justin,your bang on there about Smith.

Justin Credible Darts · 25-07-2020 9:31pm

Smith was 14 -8 down
smith wins 7 legs on the trot, because he is a great player, and misses a double to go 16-14 up and a leg from the match.

He still loses the match....tell me Smith does not choke....he might be a great player, but has no minerals.
And people wonder why he has never won a thing of note in his entire career.

32 legs took 1hour and ten minutes.

The next game will take twice as long with durrant the slowest player in the PDC

bassy · 25-07-2020 9:47pm

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

Smith was 14 -8 down
smith wins 7 legs on the trot, because he is a great player, and misses a double to go 16-14 up and a leg from the match.

He still loses the match....tell me Smith does not choke....he might be a great player, but has no minerals.
And people wonder why he has never won a thing of note in his entire career.

32 legs took 1hour and ten minutes.

The next game will take twice as long with durrant the slowest player in the PDC

Smith has blown he's best chance of a major tournament,cross wright mvg gurney all gone early doors and he still cannot get any closer to a major
Blubberboy

Deeper Blue · 25-07-2020 10:09pm

To be fair to Smith he's still under 30, Taylor still hadn't won a world title at his age.

I'd be shocked if he didn't win a major in the next 12-18 months.

bassy · 25-07-2020 10:20pm

El Sueño wrote: »

To be fair to Smith he's still under 30, Taylor still hadn't won a world title at his age.

I'd be shocked if he didn't win a major in the next 12-18 months.

Sure took Liverpool 30 yrs to win the league, eventually he probably will.but he doesn't half make a meal of it..............

Justin Credible Darts · 25-07-2020 10:24pm

El Sueño wrote: »

To be fair to Smith he's still under 30, Taylor still hadn't won a world title at his age.

I'd be shocked if he didn't win a major in the next 12-18 months.

He is a huge talent, got great potential and age is on his side, but the same was said of the ex con Chris Mason.
This 12-18 months was said 4 years ago...

Terry Jenkins was another people said was too good not to win a trophy.
There was also ronnie Baxter, Wayne Mardle and others who won ZERO of note.

Until smith grows a set of testicles, and a spinal column he will be the new Terry Jenkins....oddly both have similar nicknames.

Bull and Bully

Deeper Blue · 25-07-2020 10:33pm

Point taken but I do think Smith is infinitely more talented than Mardle, Jenkins and Baxter. He reminds me more of Lewis.

Justin Credible Darts · 25-07-2020 11:03pm

I would like to be proved wrong.

But when smith is the World #4 and has never won a decent worthy comp in his life let alone a true major, you have to think the PDC ranking system is a farce.

This Smith and Ando match lasted an hour and ten minutes, and had 34 legs

By the time durrants game went an hour and ten minutes, they were in the 20th leg.

Durrant is a boring watch, and the slowest player in the PDC

bassy · 25-07-2020 11:23pm

Well done dimi I'm delighted for him only 26 and debut year in the 2nd biggest tournament,your parents must be very very proud

I'm a massive Ando fan and hope Gary wins,but if dimi does it then fair play I will be happy for him.
May the best man win and let's hope for a belter...........

Justin Credible Darts · 25-07-2020 11:29pm

Ando -v- Smith went 34 legs - 1 hour 10 minutes
Dimi -v- Durrant went only 32 legs but lasted 1 hour 48 minutes.

The most sickening part was listening to the comms who were a disgrace in their obvious bias.
When Durrant would break we heard how durrant was brilliant
When dimi broke...silence.

The kept telling us how Durrant never gives up and comes back ....really ?
Other than coming back against players who choke on Telly like VvdV who has Durrant actually beat of note who has played well ?

I think its a disgrace when comms are suppose to be impartial shows complete bias towards certain players, as they do MVG, Durrant and even Lewis, whilst others are treated lesser.

bassy · 25-07-2020 11:50pm

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

Ando -v- Smith went 34 legs - 1 hour 10 minutes
Dimi -v- Durrant went only 32 legs but lasted 1 hour 48 minutes.

The most sickening part was listening to the comms who were a disgrace in their obvious bias.
When Durrant would break we heard how durrant was brilliant
When dimi broke...silence.

The kept telling us how Durrant never gives up and comes back ....really ?
Other than coming back against players who choke on Telly like VvdV who has Durrant actually beat of note who has played well ?

I think its a disgrace when comms are suppose to be impartial shows complete bias towards certain players, as they do MVG, Durrant and even Lewis, whilst others are treated lesser.

Same ****e commentary in the Smith match when he was coming back all biased God the English ehhhhh

Justin Credible Darts · 26-07-2020 10:20pm

Well done to dancing Dimi who made light work of the sulky Anderson.
Dimitri now moves up to 12th in the rankings , above durrant.

However this just reinforces everything i have said about how ridiculous the ranking system is in the PDC.

Ian White, who has never won a thing is still ranked higher than dimitri
Chizzy who has never won a thing of note ever is higher than dimitri
Michael Smith is the world #4...number 4, and has never won a thing of note.

In fact even if Gary Anderson had won the final, the former 2 time World champion would still be below Michael smith...yes the same Michael Smith that Ando beat earlier.

There is something drastically skewed when Michael Smith is the world #4

bassy · 26-07-2020 11:42pm

Well done dimi well done fella your parents must be very proud tonight,I love Ando but he never turned up only one 180 from him and didn't score heavey at all especially in 2nd half of the game.
Dimi took out the big ton plus,s to hurt Ando and never gave Ando anything to even try get back in.

Lovely lad seems a genuine humble young man and well done well deserved and beat man won by a mile.
Hopefully Gary can Nick another major or 2 before he pulls the plug on darts.

ArmaniJeanss · 27-07-2020 3:17pm

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

There is something drastically skewed when Michael Smith is the world #4

We all know it's skewed because it's based on money - his runner-up spot (£200K) at PDCWC via a softish draw in late 2018 is worth more (almost 2x so) than winning most other ranking events. That'll disappear from the rankings in 5 months and he'll be in a more realistic spot then.

Here's a thought though - Why not design your own ranking system and update it after each event? It could be a fun exercise and useful on your website. Maybe you can use points instead of money to reduce the WC loading, or change the weightings so that this years events are rated higher than last years.

It's important to be honest though, if there comes a month when it's giving you a result you don't like then you can't tweak it.

US2 · 27-07-2020 4:15pm

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

We all know it's skewed because it's based on money - his runner-up spot (£200K) at PDCWC via a softish draw in late 2018 is worth more (almost 2x so) than winning most other ranking events. That'll disappear from the rankings in 5 months and he'll be in a more realistic spot then.

Here's a thought though - Why not design your own ranking system and update it after each event? It could be a fun exercise and useful on your website. Maybe you can use points instead of money to reduce the WC loading, or change the weightings so that this years events are rated higher than last years.

It's important to be honest though, if there comes a month when it's giving you a result you don't like then you can't tweak it.

Like this ?

US2 · 27-07-2020 4:19pm

US2 wrote: »

Like this ?

These rankins take in to account quality of opponents beat ect.

ArmaniJeanss · 27-07-2020 4:29pm

US2 wrote: »

These rankins take in to account quality of opponents beat ect.

It looks an interesting method - Though I've genuinely never heard of the guy in 17th spot. Presumably his high ranking indicates a flaw in it.

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