New commissioners guide-line and "Telescopic Sights'

clivej · 02-11-2018 11:34am #1

Just reading though the new guide-lines on Telescopic Sights and these sights are defined there as

Quote.........

"TELESCOPIC SIGHTS
In the Firearms Act 1925 to 2009, the definition of a firearm additionally includes:
'telescopic sights with a light beam, or telescope sights with an electronic amplification device or an infra-red device, designed to befitted to afirearm .... ' Such devices would fall into three broad categories as follows and again an applicant must satisfy the issuing
person that he/she has demonstrated 'good reason' to acquire the sight:

(i) An Active Night Sight - this device emits an invisible light beam which
illuminates objects and would assist with identification of objects.
(ii) A Passive Night Sight - this device does not emit any beam but amplifies any
ambient light (from stars or moon) which enables objects to be distinguished
and identified.
(iii) Thermal Image Sight - this device resolves the heat signature given offby
warm objects and enables identification of objects.

When an applicant is applying for a firearm certificate or its renewal, the application should include whether or not a silencer or telescopic sights are sought for that particular firearm."

..............End quote

Does this mean it is only a requirement to 'Tick' the telescope box on a FCA 1 form now to use a night vision scope or attachment to allow the use of one.

And should we all be ticking that box if we USE any sort of Telescopic sight on our firearms???

And is this new added text to the guide-lines??

tikkamark · 02-11-2018 11:48am

It’s about time the act moved with the times

Sparks · 02-11-2018 11:51am

And should we all be ticking that box if we USE any sort of Telescopic sight on our firearms???

As far as I know Clive, section 3.2 of the form has always meant night sights and thermal scopes, as defined in paragraph g(i) of the definition of "firearm" in the Act (in section 1):

(i) telescope sights with a light beam, or telescope sights with an electronic light amplification device or an infra-red device, designed to be fitted to a firearm specified in paragraph (a), (b), (c) or (e),

That doesn't seem to have changed here.

cavan shooter · 07-11-2018 9:57pm

Agree with Sparks it's only for fan dangled night yokes not honest old fashioned glass.

Uinseann_16 · 08-11-2018 1:07am

That assistance in identifying bit , Could that mean scopes like the Burris eliminator should be applied for? since it electronically assists you and has a built in range finder which ofc has a laser.........

tac foley · 08-11-2018 12:42pm

Uinseann_16 wrote: »

That assistance in identifying bit , Could that mean scopes like the Burris eliminator should be applied for? since it electronically assists you and has a built in range finder which ofc has a laser.........

Let's see the first one in Ireland and how the owner gets on with it.

meathstevie · 09-11-2018 1:54am

tac foley wrote: »

Let's see the first one in Ireland and how the owner gets on with it.

Here's the interesting question. Is an invisible laser beam a light beam for the purpose of the legislation ?

It does not illuminate your target with a dot or anything the likes of. It does in a high tech way what you could do manually with a drop chart and a range finding reticule.

tac foley · 09-11-2018 11:55am

meathstevie wrote: »

Here's the interesting question. Is an invisible laser beam a light beam for the purpose of the legislation ?

It does not illuminate your target with a dot or anything the likes of. It does in a high tech way what you could do manually with a drop chart and a range finding reticule.

'zackly so. It's a telescopic sight with a built-in laser rangefinder, right? What does the legislation say about any other kind of laser rangefinder, like the one you hold in your hand and up to your eye? Are they restricted? Are they prohibited? Are they classed as firearms in their own right?

Vegeta · 09-11-2018 12:22pm

meathstevie wrote: »

Here's the interesting question. Is an invisible laser beam a light beam for the purpose of the legislation ?

While I would love if it wasn't, I think it would be really hard to argue that anything classed as a laser is not a "electronic light amplification device". At least in physics, light is a term used to cover the visible and invisible wavelengths, so again I wouldn't try to base an argument on how visible the light beam is or is not.

tac foley · 09-11-2018 1:03pm

Having noted over the years the strong evidence that the commissioners have re-written the laws of physics more than once where firearms and their legislation are concerned, it would not overly amaze me to see that they do it again with such an esoteric phenomenum as a LASER.

Grizzly 45 · 09-11-2018 1:34pm

tac foley wrote: »

'zackly so. It's a telescopic sight with a built-in laser rangefinder, right? What does the legislation say about any other kind of laser rangefinder, like the one you hold in your hand and up to your eye? Are they restricted? Are they prohibited? Are they classed as firearms in their own right?

Nope,unless"weapons mounted".But the question is,do you use the IR beam as a target designator and aiming point that you can see in low light,or are you still predominately using glass and mechanics in the scope?

solarwinds · 09-11-2018 2:01pm

I would love to see a case on this where the AGS bring in experts (from the Phoenix park) to argue what is and is not a laser.
These the same experts who say a .22 pistol which holds 10 rounds is infinitley more lethal than one that holds 5.
The same experts who say a 9mm Glock is somehow more dangerous than a 9mm Beretta.
I would pay good money to sit in the court the day that case was being heard.

tac foley · 09-11-2018 2:30pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Nope,unless"weapons mounted".But the question is,do you use the IR beam as a target designator and aiming point that you can see in low light,or are you still predominately using glass and mechanics in the scope?

G45 - it is not an infra-red beam, it is a non-visible LASER beam -

Watch the video -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQpBaEKBVyo

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The 'red dot' is only visible in the eyepiece of the optic, NOT superimposed on the target like a red dot sight. Only the person looking through the scope can see it.

tac foley · 09-11-2018 2:41pm

Aren't these the experts who also stated that the .308Win was lethal at five miles, and that no civilian should have a .303 because they are just too accurate? It would be hard to make that up.

meathstevie · 10-11-2018 2:27am

tac foley wrote: »

Aren't these the experts who also stated that the .308Win was lethal at five miles, and that no civilian should have a .303 because they are just too accurate? It would be hard to make that up.

Of course that expert was talking about shooting from the top of a 3000m mountain into a 7 mile long valley at 45 degree elevation at a target the size of the Aviva Stadium. Oh yeah, there was a 11.34mph tailwind as well....

tac foley · 10-11-2018 11:21am

meathstevie wrote: »

Of course that expert was talking about shooting from the top of a 3000m mountain into a 7 mile long valley at 45 degree elevation at a target the size of the Aviva Stadium. Oh yeah, there was a 11.34mph tailwind as well....

Ah, a typical Irish scenario, then.

Not. :rolleyes:

Cass · 10-11-2018 12:53pm

tac foley wrote: »

' What does the legislation say about any other kind of laser rangefinder, like the one you hold in your hand and up to your eye? Are they restricted? Are they prohibited? Are they classed as firearms in their own right?

Perfectly fine and legal.

Like with NightVision (NV) its only when it's mounted/attached to the firearm that it requires authorisation.

Uinseann_16 · 09-12-2018 4:34pm

tac foley wrote: »

Let's see the first one in Ireland and how the owner gets on with it.

The burris laser scopes have been here for a while Tac. Theres even one for sale on donedeal....:pac:

Grizzly 45 · 10-12-2018 4:48pm

meathstevie wrote: »

Of course that expert was talking about shooting from the top of a 3000m mountain into a 7 mile long valley at 45 degree elevation at a target the size of the Aviva Stadium. Oh yeah, there was a 11.34mph tailwind as well....

No, that was "Slimetime investigates" pet "weapons expert" and all things military related Irish Times expert. A piece of ex Irish officer corps brass...[put your own cussing PDF terminology in here] who did plenty of damage on that programme in 2006 with his gibberish.

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