Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X Read OP For Mod Warnings

SAMTALK · 25-03-2021 1:13pm

paw patrol wrote: »

why would a non sick person get tested if those numbers only serve to ramp up NPHETS monster erection for more lockdowns and more relevance for them?
It's sounds bizarre but to get tested if you aren't sick is unpatriotic and an insult to your fellow man as it only feeds Mehole and whatever mental illness he is suffering.

The reason for these test centres were explained and it has nothing to do with ramping up NPHETS monster erection for more lockdowns, which is a bizarre statement !

Not to mention your statement about mental illness

facehugger99 · 25-03-2021 1:14pm

Graham wrote: »

We reduce the spread of Coronavirus.

By how much?

Quantify it.

retro:electro · 25-03-2021 1:15pm

LameBeaver wrote: »

As was your embellished story. Unless you have evidence to back it up.

Yes let me just go back in time and record a lot of stranger kids being spritzed down with sanitiser and then upload it here for you, another stranger’s approval.

FintanMcluskey · 25-03-2021 1:17pm

facehugger99 wrote: »

By how much?

Quantify it.

2 more weeks

ypres5 · 25-03-2021 1:22pm

retro:electro wrote: »

Yes let me just go back in time and record a lot of stranger kids being spritzed down with sanitiser and then upload it here for you, another stranger’s approval.

I guess you should have recorded a bunch of kids going into school as evidence, I'm sure that couldn't backfire at all...

Corby Trouser Press · 25-03-2021 1:23pm

facehugger99 wrote: »

What makes me most angry is the lack of accountability or even logic underpinning these decisions.

If you are going to make a decision that has a such a cost associated with it, would you not want to know what the benefits of that decision are?

We know there is an economic cost associated with the sheer numbers of construction workers claiming the PUP, we know there is a knock-on effect in delay to completion times. There is even a social element as once upon a time, availability of housing and adequate infrastructure where 'hot-button' topics of the electorate and politicians.

Given all the above, what are we gaining by closing construction, how many less cases, how many less hospitalizations or deaths? Does anyone know? Has anyone in power even bothered to ask these questions?

It is scary to see the complete breakdown in logic associated with Covid, a virus so mild that we have now got pop-up centers to accommodate the people who feel absolutely grand but want to get counted as a 'case' anyway.

it's not just madness, it is criminal what is being done to this country.

They don't have the data to back it up.

The burden of proof should be on NPHET / Government to prove the sector cannot operate safely.

Instead the CIF have to try and convince the public that they can.

It is an utterly bizarre turn of events given that no other countries industry has to go through this.

No other country citizens need to worry about a significant knock on effect in housing supply.

normanoffside · 25-03-2021 1:23pm

facehugger99 wrote: »

What makes me most angry is the lack of accountability or even logic underpinning these decisions.

If you are going to make a decision that has a such a cost associated with it, would you not want to know what the benefits of that decision are?

We know there is an economic cost associated with the sheer numbers of construction workers claiming the PUP, we know there is a knock-on effect in delay to completion times. There is even a social element as once upon a time, availability of housing and adequate infrastructure where 'hot-button' topics of the electorate and politicians.

Given all the above, what are we gaining by closing construction, how many less cases, how many less hospitalizations or deaths? Does anyone know? Has anyone in power even bothered to ask these questions?

It is scary to see the complete breakdown in logic associated with Covid, a virus so mild that we have now got pop-up centers to accommodate the people who feel absolutely grand but want to get counted as a 'case' anyway.

it's not just madness, it is criminal what is being done to this country.

I’ve long since come to the conclusion that NPHET and the government don’t know what they are doing.

Never was it more emphasised than a few weeks ago when Philip Nolan came in on a Monday and told us all we were in a great place. A few days later he came back and said we were in a precarious position.

He was asked a question on Monday about how he saw the numbers going in the next few weeks and replied that he had no idea.

That sums up the whole carry on.

ypres5 · 25-03-2021 1:24pm

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

2 more weeks

I hear the curve will be flattened by then

facehugger99 · 25-03-2021 1:29pm

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

2 more weeks

The critical weeks no doubt.

the kelt · 25-03-2021 1:30pm

ypres5 wrote: »

I hear the curve will be flattened by then

We must have flattened more curves than slimfast at this stage!

normanoffside · 25-03-2021 1:30pm

Meanwhile we have 175,000 vaccines in Storeage
https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1375037640169361412

And last Sunday we managed to give a 2nd Jab to a whopping 6 people

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1375054138740989956

But sure hopefully the General Public can pull up their socks and do a bit more.

LameBeaver · 25-03-2021 1:32pm

retro:electro wrote: »

Yes let me just go back in time and record a lot of stranger kids being spritzed down with sanitiser and then upload it here for you, another stranger’s approval.

So no proof that your tale of outrage happened anything like the way you made it out to be? Right so chief.........

scamalert · 25-03-2021 1:32pm

facehugger99 wrote: »

What makes me most angry is the lack of accountability or even logic underpinning these decisions.

If you are going to make a decision that has a such a cost associated with it, would you not want to know what the benefits of that decision are?

We know there is an economic cost associated with the sheer numbers of construction workers claiming the PUP, we know there is a knock-on effect in delay to completion times. There is even a social element as once upon a time, availability of housing and adequate infrastructure where 'hot-button' topics of the electorate and politicians.

Given all the above, what are we gaining by closing construction, how many less cases, how many less hospitalizations or deaths? Does anyone know? Has anyone in power even bothered to ask these questions?

It is scary to see the complete breakdown in logic associated with Covid, a virus so mild that we have now got pop-up centers to accommodate the people who feel absolutely grand but want to get counted as a 'case' anyway.

it's not just madness, it is criminal what is being done to this country.

the worst thing is its not only Ireland, but almost every country globally is partaking in same scheme :cool:

Penfailed · 25-03-2021 1:39pm

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Why?

The vulnerable are vaccinated, the HCWs are vaccinated

Case numbers are fast becoming irrelevant and these clowns are opening more places to tell people who aren’t sick that they are sick

310 in hospital last night, a number of which are there for containment not treatment

This thing is finished

We just need to convince NPHET

The vulnerable are not vaccinated. There are still people over 70 that have yet to be vaccinated. Meanwhile, a couple of lads I know in the north with asthma, only in their 20s have been sorted with a first jab. They're down to the over 50s in the north. Yet restrictions still remain in place up there. This thing isn't finished. You need to convince yourself.

25-03-2021 1:41pm

LameBeaver wrote: »

So the teacher "roared" at the kids to come in one at a time and then "hosed" them with sanitiser? Like with a garden hose ? Err... I think not. Hyperbole alert.

No, the teacher did not have an actual hose. I don’t need the poster to spell that out, and most other people here seem to be linguistically adept enough to have understood the meaning.

The process otherwise is similar to what I see when I drop my offspring off.

Chief.

OwenM · 25-03-2021 1:41pm

Graham wrote: »

We reduce the spread of Coronavirus.

That's such a simplistic dismissive response that is really passive aggressive trolling. Would expect better from a moderator.

retro:electro · 25-03-2021 1:43pm

LameBeaver wrote: »

So no proof that your tale of outrage happened anything like the way you made it out to be? Right so chief.........

:rolleyes:

Penfailed · 25-03-2021 1:43pm

ninebeanrows wrote: »

If hopsital numbers keep steady or decline and once we have all those 65+ and vulnerable having got their first shot we must open up society.

I agree. Fintan seems to think that the vulnerable are already vaccinated. I do think that construction should be fully open, the 5km thing binned and click and collect for all retail currently.

facehugger99 · 25-03-2021 1:45pm

OwenM wrote: »

That's such a simplistic dismissive response that is really passive aggressive trolling. Would expect better from a moderator.

I think some people are genuinely happier if the man on the telly is doing their thinking for them.

It wouldn't cross their minds to question anything.

If Dr Tony looks deep within his heart and thinks we should close construction, that's good enough for them. Why look for Cost-Benefits', science or logic as back-up to a decision that is costing millions every week.

Better to just tug the forelock and accept.

25-03-2021 1:46pm

facehugger99 wrote: »

it's not just madness, it is criminal what is being done to this country.

It’s not criminal. Which is part of the problem. The fragility of the legal protections over our freedoms has been laid bare during this pandemic. The government, upon declaring something a crisis by its own metrics, can suspend any and all rights and implement draconian and unprecedented “emergency” measures without even a nod to the future costs in economic, health and human terms that will be paid by the citizenry.

When this thing shakes out and the cost-benefit analysis is done, a savvy politician would do well to run on safeguarding rights.

Sobit1964 · 25-03-2021 1:47pm

LameBeaver wrote: »

So no proof that your tale of outrage happened anything like the way you made it out to be? Right so chief.........

Are you really requesting that people take video of other peoples children in school for your viewing pleasure - its a bit odd mate.

OwenM · 25-03-2021 1:48pm

facehugger99 wrote: »

I think some people are genuinely happier if the man on the telly is doing their thinking for them.

It wouldn't cross their minds to question anything.

If Dr Tony looks deep within his heart and thinks we should close construction, that's good enough for them. Why look for Cost-Benefits', science or logic as back-up to a decision that is costing millions every week.

Better to just tug the forelock and accept.

It's no wonder the British were running the place for 800 years or that nuns were allowed sell babies abroad.

Penfailed · 25-03-2021 1:50pm

shtpEdthePlum wrote: »

Yeah
https://screenrant.com/whatsapp-privacy-policy-deadline-date-data-changes-explained/

https://spacenews.com/spacex-marks-anniversary-of-first-launch-with-starlink-mission/

https://www.euronews.com/living/2021/03/23/can-a-huge-balloon-dropping-chalk-from-the-sky-help-slow-climate-change

Personally I think covid was an extremely small inconvenience compared with what's likely going to happen the global weather patterns in the summer as a consequence of this.

There is speculation that the tidal shift and resultant polar ice cap damage they cause will start another pandemic.

To sum up your links - the WhatsApp thing hasn't happened yet, Elon Musk isn't blocking out the stars and Bill Gates isn't blocking the sun, yeah?

Penfailed · 25-03-2021 1:57pm

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

The vulnerable are vaccinated

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

A significant number of vulnerable are done

Which is it?

Boggles · 25-03-2021 1:59pm

timmyntc wrote: »

Construction is more important than schools being open.
You can catch up on education, but you cant catch up on construction.

You do realize having schools open is only partly about education, right?

Also the thread flip flops all over the place, when the schools were closed it was all about the mental well being of kids, how they are all suffering and it will be a problem that will take a generation to reverse.

Now it's fúck that, construction is more important. The U-Turns are spectacular.

Of course the reality is that the majority of construction workers have been working since last May throughout the pandemic, including when schools were shuttered, a lot of them actually building or upgrading schools, ironically.

LameBeaver · 25-03-2021 2:01pm

normanoffside wrote: »

Meanwhile we have 175,000 vaccines in Storeage
https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1375037640169361412

And last Sunday we managed to give a 2nd Jab to a whopping 6 people

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1375054138740989956

But sure hopefully the General Public can pull up their socks and do a bit more.

And how many got their 1st vaccination then?

Graham · 25-03-2021 2:01pm

OwenM wrote: »

That's such a simplistic dismissive response

It was meant to be a simple response. Some genuinely appear to struggle to understand the point of restrictions.

Micky 32 · 25-03-2021 2:02pm

the kelt wrote: »

We must have flattened more curves than slimfast at this stage!

That’s why the earth is now flat

normanoffside · 25-03-2021 2:05pm

LameBeaver wrote: »

And how many got their 1st vaccination then?

The info is in the tweet. 2,843.

We are apparently holding back 175k doses to make sure we have enough for second doses but only administered 6 of those in a day.

Sobit1964 · 25-03-2021 2:07pm

https://www.thejournal.ie/denmark-reopening-covid-5389008-Mar2021/

The Danish are going to reopen most things when everyone over 50 is vaccinated. Sensible.

ypres5 · 25-03-2021 2:10pm

Sobit1964 wrote: »

https://www.thejournal.ie/denmark-reopening-covid-5389008-Mar2021/

The Danish are going to reopen most things when everyone over 50 is vaccinated. Sensible.

But don't they know about the new variants???

LameBeaver · 25-03-2021 2:11pm

Deleted User wrote: »

No, the teacher did not have an actual hose. I don’t need the poster to spell that out, and most other people here seem to be linguistically adept enough to have understood the meaning.

The process otherwise is similar to what I see when I drop my offspring off.

Chief.

Really? And yet another poster has a completely different experience.

Strange that isn`t it chief?

Natterjack from Kerry · 25-03-2021 2:15pm

scamalert wrote: »

the worst thing is its not only Ireland, but almost every country globally is partaking in same scheme :cool:

This observation must surely trigger in some Outraged of the Internet merchants, the realisation that since so many countries and experts agree so consistently on how to handle the pandemic - surely suggests the experts are right, and that those with no scientific background in the matter, are wrong.

Natterjack from Kerry · 25-03-2021 2:20pm

normanoffside wrote: »

I’ve long since come to the conclusion that NPHET and the government don’t know what they are doing.

Never was it more emphasised than a few weeks ago when Philip Nolan came in on a Monday and told us all we were in a great place. A few days later he came back and said we were in a precarious position.

He was asked a question on Monday about how he saw the numbers going in the next few weeks and replied that he had no idea.
Its only the likes of some boards poster who expect certainty and hold to their viewpoint regardless of the evidence presented to them.

That sums up the whole carry on.

Scientists change their answers, as rational people, according to the evidence at a given point in time. Unlike many boards poster who cling to a claim for ever no matter the evidence presented to them.
Fortunately its the first group that is advising the government.

the kelt · 25-03-2021 2:23pm

LameBeaver wrote: »

Really? And yet another poster has a completely different experience.

Strange that isn`t it chief?

Are you actually trying to make a point or just here trying to wind people up to get a reaction?

normanoffside · 25-03-2021 2:29pm

I see the muppets are out in force on Social media going for their free Covid Tests when they have nothing wrong with them.
These are the same people giving out about people meeting up and saying they will cause the lockdown to be extended.
They are now actually the ones that will cause it to be extended.

Boggles · 25-03-2021 2:33pm

Sobit1964 wrote: »

https://www.thejournal.ie/denmark-reopening-covid-5389008-Mar2021/

The Danish are going to reopen most things when everyone over 50 is vaccinated. Sensible.

Denmark extends pause of AstraZeneca vaccine for three weeks

I wonder how will that effect what was a pretty ambitious timeline?

TonyMaloney · 25-03-2021 2:34pm

normanoffside wrote: »

I see the muppets are out in force on Social media going for their free Covid Tests when they have nothing wrong with them.
These are the same people giving out about people meeting up and saying they will cause the lockdown to be extended.
They are now actually the ones that will cause it to be extended.

By getting tested and isolating?

Please show your workings

normanoffside · 25-03-2021 2:38pm

TonyMaloney wrote: »

By getting tested and isolating?

Please show your workings

Review on Monday.
More cases = more lockdown

LameBeaver · 25-03-2021 2:38pm

normanoffside wrote: »

I see the muppets are out in force on Social media going for their free Covid Tests when they have nothing wrong with them.
These are the same people giving out about people meeting up and saying they will cause the lockdown to be extended.
They are now actually the ones that will cause it to be extended.

How do you or more importantly they know they have nothing wrong with them unless they are tested? They could be asymptomatic .

Boggles · 25-03-2021 2:39pm

normanoffside wrote: »

Review on Monday.
More cases = more lockdown

That is some epic tin foil hattery.

normanoffside · 25-03-2021 2:43pm

Boggles wrote: »

That is some epic tin foil hattery.

So 'cases' detected in these centres which will feed into the numbers over the weekend will be ignored.
Is that what you are saying?
If we get an extra few thousand cases announced before Monday that would have no effect on the restrictions being eased next week?

25-03-2021 2:45pm

normanoffside wrote: »

I see the muppets are out in force on Social media going for their free Covid Tests when they have nothing wrong with them.
These are the same people giving out about people meeting up and saying they will cause the lockdown to be extended.
They are now actually the ones that will cause it to be extended.

Every case is passing it on to on average just over 1 more person currently. Catch 10 people early, that's 10 less cases next week, catch 100 people early, that's 100 less cases next week, and so on.

In no world is the identification of as high a proportion of those who have the virus as possible as early as possible a bad thing

Allinall · 25-03-2021 2:48pm

normanoffside wrote: »

So 'cases' detected in these centres which will feed into the numbers over the weekend will be ignored.
Is that what you are saying?
If we get an extra few thousand cases announced before Monday that would have no effect on the restrictions being eased next week?

By that logic, we could stop testing altogether, and have zero cases.

How do you think that would work out?

Boggles · 25-03-2021 2:49pm

normanoffside wrote: »

So 'cases' detected in these centres which will feed into the numbers over the weekend will be ignored.
Is that what you are saying?
If we get an extra few thousand cases announced before Monday that would have no effect on the restrictions being eased next week?

The centres have a capacity of 500 odd tests a day, that's 12,000 odd by Monday.

Do you think there will be 3,000+ positives from that?

25%+, if that happens we are in big trouble.

RobitTV · 25-03-2021 2:50pm

Newstalk: Ryanair boss Michael O'Leary says he believes people from the Republic of Ireland will use Belfast 'as a means of escaping' this June

Michael O'Leary has said he expects countries across Europe to stop 'locking people down' from June.

"There's a 24-hour news cycle at the moment feeding all this hysteria - we're still only in the middle of March, and I think the situation will have changed markedly by the time we get to June/July/August".

On the new routes from Belfast, he said: "We think a lot of people from the Republic of Ireland are going to use these flights as a means of escaping to Portugal, Greece and Italy in the earlier part of the summer - even while Ireland's vaccine programme lags considerably behind the success of the UK programme".

Newstalk

the kelt · 25-03-2021 2:52pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Every case is passing it on to on average just over 1 more person currently. Catch 10 people early, that's 10 less cases next week, catch 100 people early, that's 100 less cases next week, and so on.

In no world is the identification of as high a proportion of those who have the virus as early as possible a bad thing

Yes thats true.

WHich is why mass testing of everyone would be a good idea, but apparently with these centres no u16's are to be tested even if their parents give their permission.

Seeing as the government and NPHET have as one of their main remits being keeping the schools open it would make sense to allow u16's to be tested.

Schools are one of the few places now where people are gathering indoors etc etc so identifying cases in that age group early would surely make sense.

25-03-2021 2:52pm

normanoffside wrote: »

So 'cases' detected in these centres which will feed into the numbers over the weekend will be ignored.
Is that what you are saying?
If we get an extra few thousand cases announced before Monday that would have no effect on the restrictions being eased next week?

There are not symptomatic people, they are not close contacts. There will be a low positivity rate in those who present themselves for testing. A few thousand extra cases would require 100s of thousands of tests. Do you think that's likely?

What it will actually do is drive the positive rate down.

lawred2 · 25-03-2021 2:54pm

RobitTV wrote: »

Newstalk: Ryanair boss Michael O'Leary says he believes people from the Republic of Ireland will use Belfast 'as a means of escaping' this June

Michael O'Leary has said he expects countries across Europe to stop 'locking people down' from June.

"There's a 24-hour news cycle at the moment feeding all this hysteria - we're still only in the middle of March, and I think the situation will have changed markedly by the time we get to June/July/August".

On the new routes from Belfast, he said: "We think a lot of people from the Republic of Ireland are going to use these flights as a means of escaping to Portugal, Greece and Italy in the earlier part of the summer - even while Ireland's vaccine programme lags considerably behind the success of the UK programme".

Newstalk

He will be proven right

growleaves · 25-03-2021 2:59pm

We flattened the supply curve.

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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