Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X Read OP For Mod Warnings

25-03-2021 2:17am

questionmark? wrote: »

Why is it safe to carry out construction on social housing but not on private housing.

This is the biggest inequality of them all, in my opinion. How it hasn't been made into a much bigger story, i do not know.

Samsonsmasher · 25-03-2021 2:17am

The restrictions are a joke especially in the Dublin area. Bus and rail staff no longer enforce mask wearing. Gardaí are only checking vehicle drivers but are not checking if bus or rail passengers are outside 5km. People can easily visit eachother without being stopped or fined.

Plumbthedepths · 25-03-2021 2:20am

lmimmfn wrote: »

I agree, we need a plan, but a plan seems beyond these incompetent idiots in power.
I cant believe lockdown is actually worse now that it was last year when we had county lockdowns.

The problem this year is, Martin. Interestingly though his own party members are turning on him. Reading earlier in the Times, Aerlingus has moved 4 of its planes to Manchester and will be flying from there to the states. Irish staff have been asked to relocate . I wonder how much economic damage they are willing to allow the country sustain before they consider the wider picture. I'm genuinely concerned for the future of this country. Aerlingus moving is just one example and it should set off alarm bells.

Plumbthedepths · 25-03-2021 2:21am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I'm not sick of them, cos I can see why they're in place. With vaccines appearing, I can see a slow easing of things back to normal over the next 4-6 months. People just need to stick with it a little longer, I'd say. It's frustrating, but i'd say each month from here on it, a restriction will be eased or removed, until we're back to normal (by July, I predict all the major stuff will be gone, with just masks/sanitisers etc. for close personal services (hairdressers/etc) and easy stuff like avoiding sitting at the bar in pubs).

Of course, a couple more protests could prolong that a bit further and rocket the numbers again, but hopefully not.

Protests of a few hundred people out in the open air? Meanwhile 5 schools have reported outbreaks. Some have closed.

shtpEdthePlum · 25-03-2021 2:21am

No, personally I can't get enough of solitary confinement and house arrest.

I think I might actually be completely demented now and unfit to be around other people. I was really weird and clunky the other day when I met a colleague outside the office and I wished I had just ignored them because I couldn't behave normally or figure out how to appropriately interact. They probably didn't even notice but it took my confidence down about twelve notches.

I realised today that there's a written record of every social interaction I've had with all groups of friends in the last year. That's not healthy, and also Facebook owns WhatsApp now so they're properly mining them for data.

I saw a tweet yesterday

"All those dystopian novels, and not one predicted a world in which cities are deserted at night, populated only by cyclists carrying around food in backpacks."

And a reply

"All self-employed, with no workers rights, but instantly recognisable in their branded company uniforms."

Elon Musk is blocking out the stars and Bill Gates is blocking out the sun and we have to stay at home indefinitely and not meet any friends and family until an unspecified period of time because a bunch of wealthy people who hardly anyone respects or trusts dictate to us what to do and a load of unelected civil servants lay down behaviours that we're mandated to follow.

There are a lot of people who, by coincidence or because of this, died during the last year. What a tragically sad final year it would have been. But it just feels like even with the glimmer of light the vaccines tease us with, things generally are going to get worse no matter what happens from here on out. The whole system we tried to live by before is broken, it's clearly unfit for purpose in a way that is now untenable.

I actually pretty much don't give a shlt though, I think I've become completely ambivalent to everything that happens in wider society that doesn't impact me directly except for a very small few causes. It would take something absolutely devastating happening to somebody I'm very close to for me to actually muster up the strength to even be upset or annoyed, because my energy is just competely spent from the absolute pile of **** existence has been for everyone I love for the last 12 months.

Especially the children i know, they've all been dealt an absolutely abysmal hand. Some seem like they're dealing with everything fine, but you just don't know how badly absolutely trauma like this is going to affect them.

So yeah opening up will be great but in the scheme of things we're still competely fucked.

lmimmfn · 25-03-2021 2:25am

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

The problem this year is, Martin. Interestingly though his own party members are turning on him. Reading earlier in the Times, Aerlingus has moved 4 of its planes to Manchester and will be flying from there to the states. Irish staff have been asked to relocate . I wonder how much economic damage they are willing to allow the country sustain before they consider the wider picture. I'm genuinely concerned for the future of this country. Aerlingus moving is just one example and it should set off alarm bells.

The government and media(which is disgraceful) are deliberately avoiding information or discussion on both the sustainability of the current situation economically and that we will have several years of austerity after this to pay for all the supports.

Plumbthedepths · 25-03-2021 2:29am

lmimmfn wrote: »

The government and media(which is disgraceful) are deliberately avoiding information or discussion on both the sustainability of the current situation economically and that we will have several years of austerity after this to pay for all the supports.

Several years? I like your optimism. I heard on the radio last weekend, people are still in arrears with their mortgages from the last crash. What is coming is a different ball game. We went into this as a healthy economy but one of the most indebted in the world per capita. I believe just behind Japan. This crisis will add circa 50 billion to the national debt. At present interest rates are negative that won't last and that's when the fun starts.

lmimmfn · 25-03-2021 2:36am

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Several years? I like your optimism. I heard on the radio last weekend, people are still in arrears with their mortgages from the last crash. What is coming is a different ball game. We went into this as a healthy economy but one of the most indebted in the world per capita. I believe just behind Japan. This crisis will add circa 50 billion to the national debt. At present interest rates are negative that won't last and that's when the fun starts.

dont get me wrong, i mean several years until the economy becomes stable, of course this is lumped on top of the fortune the country already owes.
We have impending inflation due to brexit, the unsustainable negative interest rates from the ECB, along with upcoming tax increases all of which will have a huge economic impact and as is normal in this country we like to destroy income power of individuals rather than tax purchases, the services sector will suffer long term.

poisonated · 25-03-2021 2:47am

I’ve been ignoring most of them but am sick of the ones which impact me like the closure of the pubs and not being able to buy a pair of shoes without trying them on first. The reason I’ve been ignoring most of them is because I’ve had covid before and I have had a vaccine but that does not seem to grant me any more freedom in the eyes of the terrible government that are in place at the moment.

Jim Gazebo · 25-03-2021 3:36am

Nothing bothers me more than the 5km rule. Don't give me the stuff about it being easy to get around - I know that - but it's the hassle of actually having to bullsh1t thru a Garda checkpoint just to go for a walk on the beach, shouldn't have to do it.

What do people think? Will we go county wide? I really hope so.

MadYaker · 25-03-2021 3:55am

That’s a bit silly OP because more people ignoring restrictions will mean they last longer and potentially get tighter, at least until enough people are vaccinated. If you want restrictions to end you should be doing everything you can to bring case numbers down, ignoring restrictions does the opposite. This is simple enough stuff surely?

MOH · 25-03-2021 5:16am

normanoffside wrote: »

The more I think about those pop up vaccination centres the angrier I get.
Why are they only for asymptomatic people who are not close contacts?
Why would anyone who is feeling perfectly well go and get tested for Covid anyway?
I mean do they really want to be told to self isolate for 14 days and have all their close contacts restrict their movements and get 2 tests?
Do they want to falsely inflate case numbers and have us all locked down for longer?

I really hope no one turns up at these centres.

Stay at home. Hold firm. Only leave your house for essential journeys and exercise within 5k. Do not see your loved ones. Do not congregate in groups.

But also randomly turn up for testing at five locations within a 5k radius of a million people with no pre booked appointment.

Ted_YNWA · 25-03-2021 7:02am

Mod - Thread merged

Penfailed · 25-03-2021 8:03am

ypres5 wrote: »

No because I provided quotes so I consider my accusations very valid

You provided quotes that completely disprove what you were trying to accuse me of. Bizarre.

FintanMcluskey · 25-03-2021 8:11am

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

The problem this year is, Martin. Interestingly though his own party members are turning on him. Reading earlier in the Times, Aerlingus has moved 4 of its planes to Manchester and will be flying from there to the states. Irish staff have been asked to relocate . I wonder how much economic damage they are willing to allow the country sustain before they consider the wider picture. I'm genuinely concerned for the future of this country. Aerlingus moving is just one example and it should set off alarm bells.

My biggest concern is the lack of discussion focused on the costs involved.

The illusion is every country is in the same situation as Ireland

Make no mistake, Ireland is an outlier from an economic, health & educational point of view.

Most EU countries finished lockdown in May 2020.

Posters here are continue to defend the indefensible

Like an anti vaccer uses belief not science to justify their reasons, we are using belief not science to justify one of the globes longest lockdowns.

A belief I must add, is being used by many here to justify the lockdown

People moving about spread covid, construction is open, the EU citizens in other countries follow rules.

I also believe when the lockdown related destruction of our economy and society is revealed, the Irish people themselves will be blamed for the mess

Penfailed · 25-03-2021 8:15am

lmimmfn wrote: »

We're in level 5, it looks like level 5 will continue for the foreseeable future/longterm.

Personally i'm fed up with this, im ignoring the restrictions and will decide what is safe for me and my family, what is your opinion?

My opinion is that we won't be in level five longterm and people ignoring restrictions are part of the problem.

FintanMcluskey · 25-03-2021 8:32am

Penfailed wrote: »

My opinion is that we won't be in level five longterm and people ignoring restrictions are part of the problem.

Ok.

So is that theory that those people will begin to adhere to restrictions if we persist with them?

Restrictions of course are a blunt tool to lower case numbers and not be used long term

Ireland didn’t get that memo in March 2020

Hooked · 25-03-2021 8:32am

Jim Gazebo wrote: »

Nothing bothers me more than the 5km rule. Don't give me the stuff about it being easy to get around - I know that - but it's the hassle of actually having to bullsh1t thru a Garda checkpoint just to go for a walk on the beach, shouldn't have to do it.

What do people think? Will we go county wide? I really hope so.

I’m with you. Ridiculous rule.

And being a fan of Clare, getting from Limerick through Ennis is a nightmare... checkpoint wise.

My wife hates the thought of the ‘Garda hassle’ but I’m officially done with the 5km bulilsh1t... I’ve a small camper, and we will be bothering no one (just us, no kids) so I fail to see how I’m either at risk, or putting others in harms way.

My brothers 2 kids are mad for some fresh air, a picnic, a scenic drive. Anything!

It’s been 12 months. We know to keep our distance and wash our hands!!! What difference does it make if that’s in a crowded local supermarket or a remote location outdoors 200km away.

I’ll tell you... None!

We’re safer outdoors.

Penfailed · 25-03-2021 8:50am

normanoffside wrote: »

The more I think about those pop up vaccination centres the angrier I get.

I would've thought that pop up vaccination centres would get broad support...

Penfailed · 25-03-2021 8:56am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Of course, a couple more protests could prolong that a bit further and rocket the numbers again, but hopefully not.

Eh? Any evidence that any of the previous protests made numbers rocket?

corcaigh07 · 25-03-2021 8:58am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I'm not sick of them, cos I can see why they're in place. With vaccines appearing, I can see a slow easing of things back to normal over the next 4-6 months. People just need to stick with it a little longer, I'd say. It's frustrating, but i'd say each month from here on it, a restriction will be eased or removed, until we're back to normal (by July, I predict all the major stuff will be gone, with just masks/sanitisers etc. for close personal services (hairdressers/etc) and easy stuff like avoiding sitting at the bar in pubs).

Of course, a couple more protests could prolong that a bit further and rocket the numbers again, but hopefully not.

Did protests "rocket" the numbers before? No, they didn't.

A new approach is needed as we enter Summer hours, get outside. Avoid indoor spaces that are not your own as much as you can.

To help with this, county wide travel at a minimum should be allowed along with sports, outdoor dining, click and collect retail.

If the Government don't and it's the same thing again going into May, they fit the definition of insane.

Sweet.Science · 25-03-2021 9:01am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

People state "schools are not safe" because of a virus with a 0.001% CFR in the age group, but have sent their kids to school during flu season every preceding year without a blink.

Are you comparing flu to covid ?

kippy · 25-03-2021 9:02am

Penfailed wrote: »

I would've thought that pop up vaccination centres would get broad support...

Typo there. They are pop up testing centres

Allinall · 25-03-2021 9:03am

Penfailed wrote: »

I would've thought that pop up vaccination centres would get broad support...

I think that at this stage no matter what the government or HSE do, there will be a certain cohort that will object, protest, express real or feigned anger, just because it's what they've gotten used to doing.

No critical thinking whatsoever.

Penfailed · 25-03-2021 9:03am

shtpEdthePlum wrote: »

I realised today that there's a written record of every social interaction I've had with all groups of friends in the last year.

How do you work that out? Are you talking about WhatsApp?

shtpEdthePlum wrote: »

Elon Musk is blocking out the stars and Bill Gates is blocking out the sun

...what?!

arctictree · 25-03-2021 9:07am

Penfailed wrote: »

I would've thought that pop up vaccination centres would get broad support...

He means pop up test centres. We are a long way from pop up vaccination centres in this country...

Penfailed · 25-03-2021 9:09am

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Ok.

So is that theory that those people will begin to adhere to restrictions if we persist with them?

It doesn't require everyone to adhere to them. This has been explained on this thread numerous times now. I'm surprised you missed it. Obviously, the more people follow the restrictions, the better.

Kivaro · 25-03-2021 9:11am

It was really embarrassing watching CNN's report earlier this morning on the vaccine response on both sides of the Irish border. There was a major difference between the people who were interviewed, depending on which side of the border you were on. Hope and excitement on the northern side, while on the southern side there was despondency, weariness, and abject disappointment. The failures of the Irish government were obvious on the CNN segment for all in the world to see.

Allinall · 25-03-2021 9:13am

Kivaro wrote: »

It was really embarrassing watching CNN's report earlier this morning on the vaccine response on both sides of the Irish border. There was a major difference between the people who were interviewed, depending on which side of the border you were on. Hope and excitement on the northern side, while on the southern side there was despondency, weariness, and abject disappointment. The failures of the Irish government were obvious on the CNN segment for all in the world to see.

What more do you thing the Irish government could have done so far regarding the vaccines?

DTownD · 25-03-2021 9:13am

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Are you comparing flu to covid ?

The risk to under 18s is the same - very very very low.

The issue is passing it on to elderly, who are now being vaccinated.

FintanMcluskey · 25-03-2021 9:17am

Penfailed wrote: »

I would've thought that pop up vaccination centres would get broad support...

Why?

The vulnerable are vaccinated, the HCWs are vaccinated

Case numbers are fast becoming irrelevant and these clowns are opening more places to tell people who aren’t sick that they are sick

310 in hospital last night, a number of which are there for containment not treatment

This thing is finished

We just need to convince NPHET

ninebeanrows · 25-03-2021 9:21am

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Why?

The vulnerable are vaccinated, the HCWs are vaccinated

Case numbers are fast becoming irrelevant and these clowns are opening more places to tell people who aren’t sick that they are sick

310 in hospital last night, a number of which are there for containment not treatment

This thing is finished

We just need to convince NPHET

If hopsital numbers keep steady or decline and once we have all those 65+ and vulnerable having got their first shot we must open up society.

25-03-2021 9:35am

normanoffside wrote: »

The more I think about those pop up vaccination centres the angrier I get.
Why are they only for asymptomatic people who are not close contacts?
Why would anyone who is feeling perfectly well go and get tested for Covid anyway?
I mean do they really want to be told to self isolate for 14 days and have all their close contacts restrict their movements and get 2 tests?
Do they want to falsely inflate case numbers and have us all locked down for longer?

I really hope no one turns up at these centres.

Some people actually consider other people.

If you were someone who needs to go to work most days, but have to need to visit a vulnerable relative, would getting tested prior to the visit be an outrageous thing to do

newman10 · 25-03-2021 9:40am

Allinall wrote: »

I think that at this stage no matter what the government or HSE do, there will be a certain cohort that will object, protest, express real or feigned anger, just because it's what they've gotten used to doing.

No critical thinking whatsoever.

On Both sides of the debate

Graham · 25-03-2021 9:41am

ninebeanrows wrote: »

If hopsital numbers keep steady or decline and once we have all those 65+ and vulnerable having got their first shot we must open up society.

Didn't hospitalisations go up last week?

Boggles · 25-03-2021 9:42am

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

This thing is finished

We just need to convince NPHET

Well, that's good enough for me. Open the pubs!

25-03-2021 9:43am

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Why?

The vulnerable are vaccinated, the HCWs are vaccinated

Case numbers are fast becoming irrelevant and these clowns are opening more places to tell people who aren’t sick that they are sick

310 in hospital last night, a number of which are there for containment not treatment

This thing is finished

We just need to convince NPHET

Not yet Fintan, nearly there. A bit of a premature relaxation

shtpEdthePlum · 25-03-2021 9:44am

Penfailed wrote: »

How do you work that out? Are you talking about WhatsApp?

Yeah
https://screenrant.com/whatsapp-privacy-policy-deadline-date-data-changes-explained/

...what?!

https://spacenews.com/spacex-marks-anniversary-of-first-launch-with-starlink-mission/

https://www.euronews.com/living/2021/03/23/can-a-huge-balloon-dropping-chalk-from-the-sky-help-slow-climate-change

Personally I think covid was an extremely small inconvenience compared with what's likely going to happen the global weather patterns in the summer as a consequence of this.

There is speculation that the tidal shift and resultant polar ice cap damage they cause will start another pandemic.

Multipass · 25-03-2021 9:45am

DTownD wrote: »

The risk to under 18s is the same - very very very low.

The issue is passing it on to elderly, who are now being vaccinated.

Statistically flu is more of a risk to children than covid.

Stormyteacup · 25-03-2021 9:54am

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Why?

The vulnerable are vaccinated, the HCWs are vaccinated

Case numbers are fast becoming irrelevant and these clowns are opening more places to tell people who aren’t sick that they are sick

310 in hospital last night, a number of which are there for containment not treatment

This thing is finished

We just need to convince NPHET

Why was the hospital figure ignored by Leo in his chat with his party?

This is just bizarre - we have been seeing numbers around 500-600 cases per day for weeks.

According to the information he was provided, as in 35 hospitalised per 1,000 we should have had 500 hospitalised this past month. Perhaps it is around that number - I don’t have the figure, but number in hospital is steadily dropping so then is the rate of discharges ignored? Presumably there’s a factor of HAI built in there too?

Pop up test centres are not necessarily a bad thing, although I suspect there will be a lot of worried parents of school-going children and school staff who naturally distrust the advice that schools are safe (not saying they shouldn’t be operating, but understandably, with different rules for testing referrals, and positives rate rising faster in those age groups, who can blame them for some skepticism).

The problem with pop-up test centres is that we are still stuck on case numbers defining response to restrictions - no wonder it’s expected to result in overly-cautious relaxations.

35 in 1,000 - thank you NPHET, any chance we could see your workings on that?

paw patrol · 25-03-2021 9:55am

Penfailed wrote: »

I would've thought that pop up vaccination centres would get broad support...

arctictree wrote: »

He means pop up test centres. We are a long way from pop up vaccination centres in this country...

why would a non sick person get tested if those numbers only serve to ramp up NPHETS monster erection for more lockdowns and more relevance for them?
It's sounds bizarre but to get tested if you aren't sick is unpatriotic and an insult to your fellow man as it only feeds Mehole and whatever mental illness he is suffering.

Penfailed wrote: »

It doesn't require everyone to adhere to them. This has been explained on this thread numerous times now. I'm surprised you missed it. Obviously, the more people follow the restrictions, the better.

I know what you are saying but I can't agree.
Holding people apart via restrictions will only cause mass infections when people do meet. It's all for nothing a wasted endeavor that is costing so much - it's unquantifiable how much this is costing.

Despite large compliance pre 2021 we still have approx. 230k positives which could be in reality up to a million - given asymptomatics who don't get tested and for periods how hard it was to get an actual test. Remember you needed to have 3 symptoms ? It still spreads which makes sense as its airborne.

Finally the days of arguing about killer covid (and stats) are done and many people don't want to be protected anymore - they want to live and accept the risk (which is minimal) . Our current existence is a load of bollocks and no protection is worth that.
It was absolutely pathetic how many people willingly gave up their lives and personal freedom for it in the 1st place but at least the tide is turning, better late than never.

Boggles · 25-03-2021 10:02am

shtpEdthePlum wrote: »

Personally I think covid was an extremely small inconvenience compared with what's likely going to happen the global weather patterns in the summer as a consequence of this.

There is speculation that the tidal shift and resultant polar ice cap damage they cause will start another pandemic.

Well, at least it will stop people moaning about not being allowed go to the beach, I see hiking becoming more popular though.

JPup · 25-03-2021 10:04am

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Are you comparing flu to covid ?

To be fair, for children the risks are very similar (ie almost zero).

FintanMcluskey · 25-03-2021 10:05am

Deleted User wrote: »

Not yet Fintan, nearly there. A bit of a premature relaxation

Pro rata population we’ve a significant number of vulnerable with the first jab.

They started early 30s kidney recipients this week.

A significant number of vulnerable are done

By April 5th another few thousand will be done

The curve is no more. The vaccination flattened it.

The hospital numbers will be unlikely to rise significantly ever again

Boggles · 25-03-2021 10:18am

paw patrol wrote: »

It's sounds bizarre but to get tested if you aren't sick is unpatriotic and an insult to your fellow man as it only feeds Mehole and whatever mental illness he is suffering.

"Patriots Don't Do Tests"

I see t-shirts, hoodies and bumper stickers.

Genius.

suicide_circus · 25-03-2021 10:21am

The latest HSE scandal available on RTE website - trust the HSE!

OwenM · 25-03-2021 10:23am

Graham wrote: »

Didn't hospitalisations go up last week?

By a tiny margin and they are back down again to the prior level.

facehugger99 · 25-03-2021 10:32am

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Why?

The vulnerable are vaccinated, the HCWs are vaccinated

Case numbers are fast becoming irrelevant and these clowns are opening more places to tell people who aren’t sick that they are sick

310 in hospital last night, a number of which are there for containment not treatment

This thing is finished

We just need to convince NPHET

Unfortunately this would require a Government with a set of balls and the best interests of the country at heart.

Instead we have a set of sniveling cowards whose only priority is to protect themselves from any blame.

Kitty6277 · 25-03-2021 10:33am

MadYaker wrote: »

That’s a bit silly OP because more people ignoring restrictions will mean they last longer and potentially get tighter, at least until enough people are vaccinated. If you want restrictions to end you should be doing everything you can to bring case numbers down, ignoring restrictions does the opposite. This is simple enough stuff surely?

That's the thing though, for those of us following restrictions it feels equally as pointless. I've barely left the house since Christmas, haven't met up with people, haven't travelled more than 5km away from home, and yet we're still getting nowhere. I don't feel like there's any end in sight and honestly at this point I don't entirely blame people for saying fuck it and breaking restrictions.

paw patrol · 25-03-2021 10:49am

Boggles wrote: »

"Patriots Don't Do Tests"

I see t-shirts, hoodies and bumper stickers.

Genius.

I'd miss your unique and obscure take on posts, so please never stop posting.

What Tom Parlon texting you this morning? Is there so much construction on the go - they had to ship over a load of north korean slave labour?

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