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  • #602
    Kunta Kinte
    Registered Users Posts: 718 ✭✭✭Kunta Kinte


    ReginaldSmythV wrote: »
    I think there’s a massive pile of truth in what they’re saying.

    Evening will be done to keep pubs closed for as long as possible in the hope that as few as possible reopen. Then Leo can turn us into Italy or France and get his tummy rubbed by the EU.

    Err.......news for you. Leo is not actually the Taoiseach anymore.


  • #603
    Del Griffith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,216 ✭✭✭Del Griffith


    Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »
    Yes they have a specific remit, its not their job to look at the wider implications of public health measures, thats up to Govt. If as you say Govt are afraid to go against them thats not their issue

    Correct. They have been given way too much power by a government with no spine.

    They do have a place, but it should be one voice at the table (if even), not the practically solo one.


  • #604
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 7,712 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Kunta Kinte wrote: »
    Err.......news for you. Leo is not actually the Taoiseach anymore.

    Isn’t he though? Only waiting his turn and is allowed to be the good news bear all the time.


  • #605
    Dickie10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,936 ✭✭✭Dickie10


    well at the minute thats just the way the game looks. So like has anyone any other ideas when the like of gigs in small venues and nightclubs will open? there was someone here that used to throw hissy fits if people were passing conversation about possible dates opening , i hope hes gone back to hide behind the couch again and wont come on the attack


  • #606
    saabsaab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,238 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Might be a good idea to start opening special Covid friendly pubs for those that have vaccines?



    Great selling point. Produce your proof at the door and in you go..


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  • #607
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,311 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    saabsaab wrote: »
    Might be a good idea to start opening special Covid friendly pubs for those that have vaccines?



    Great selling point. Produce your proof at the door and in you go..

    Pass. Only fostering resentment in the youthful and healthy, why should they be turned away. Not to mention driving down profit margins. Once the elderly and vulnerable are vaccinated, open the doors to all and let the good times roll.


  • #608
    saabsaab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,238 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Del Griffith wrote: »
    Correct. They have been given way too much power by a government with no spine.

    They do have a place, but it should be one voice at the table (if even), not the practically solo one.


    They went against the advice before Christmas and it didn't work out. No good reason to ignore their advice now.


  • #609
    saabsaab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,238 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Pass. Only fostering resentment in the youthful and healthy, why should they be turned away. Not to mention driving down profit margins. Once the elderly and vulnerable are vaccinated, open the doors to all and let the good times roll.


    That cohort is pretty much done now. the advice is that it is too soon yet until more are done say end of June. Could be done as a pilot basis in a few quieter pubs with older clientele?


  • #610
    Squiggle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭Squiggle


    saabsaab wrote: »
    Might be a good idea to start opening special Covid friendly pubs for those that have vaccines?



    Great selling point. Produce your proof at the door and in you go..

    But there isn't clear evidence that vaccines stop transmission AFAIK.

    Produce proof at the door that you aren't infectious would make more sense ie using a Rapid Antigen test. NPHET won't sign off on them unfortunately because there are two doctors on NPHET who wont support their use !


  • #611
    dominatinMC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,941 ✭✭✭dominatinMC


    Squiggle wrote: »
    But there isn't clear evidence that vaccines stop transmission AFAIK.

    Produce proof at the door that you aren't infectious would make more sense ie using a Rapid Antigen test. NPHET won't sign off on them unfortunately because thee are two doctors on NPHET who wont support their use !


    This evidence is increasing and it now appears quite clear that vaccines are reducing transmission by a significant margin. What isn't clear is if the vaccines prevent outright transmission. In any case, the fact they are reducing transmission at all is an added bonus as they were never really designed to do so.


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  • #612
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,998 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    saabsaab wrote: »
    Might be a good idea to start opening special Covid friendly pubs for those that have vaccines? Great selling point. Produce your proof at the door and in you go..

    Ridiculous, unworkable and pointless... Vaccinated Pubs... whatever next!


  • #613
    Stormyteacup
    Registered Users Posts: 991 ✭✭✭Stormyteacup


    saabsaab wrote: »
    Might be a good idea to start opening special Covid friendly pubs for those that have vaccines?



    Great selling point. Produce your proof at the door and in you go..

    Laughable.

    Are these new licensed premises or existing ones?

    If new, are they operated by vaccinated staff - while unvaccinated hospitality workers, and owners of existing licensed premises cheer on their enterprising spirit while they are denied earning a living?

    If existing - is the staff to be vaccinated or would it not matter in this case if virus is transmitted to staff and spread increased?

    For that matter - would be happy to hop on a plane with crew not yet offered a vaccine if that was sanctioned?

    So long as the vaccinated person is alright Jack I guess.


  • #614
    saabsaab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,238 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Stormyteacup wrote: »
    Laughable.

    Are these new licensed premises or existing ones?

    If new, are they operated by vaccinated staff - while unvaccinated hospitality workers, and owners of existing licensed premises cheer on their enterprising spirit while they are denied earning a living?

    If existing - is the staff to be vaccinated or would it not matter in this case if virus is transmitted to staff and spread increased?

    For that matter - would be happy to hop on a plane with crew not yet offered a vaccine if that was sanctioned?

    So long as the vaccinated person is alright Jack I guess.


    Bit of a stretch alright but what if its the only way they open?


  • #615
    Real Donald Trump
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,708 ✭✭✭Real Donald Trump


    Fair fecks to this pub owner :pac:




  • #616
    saabsaab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,238 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    Ridiculous, unworkable and pointless... Vaccinated Pubs... whatever next!


    No smoking pubs!


  • #617
    PTH2009
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,882 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    It's anyone's guess at wtf will happen with hospitality here in the next few months

    Maximum numbers for places is a given id say

    Will the mandatory food rule and booking system be once again implemented ?

    Will we still have the restricted hours or will they go back to pre covid times ?

    ATM looking like late May/June for outdoor and then Indoor from July but who knows


  • #618
    saabsaab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,238 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    'May/June for outdoor and then Indoor from July'


    Yes, pending vaccinations/variants.


  • #619
    ingo1984
    Registered Users Posts: 330 ✭✭ingo1984


    Start of June will be outdoor for all pubs. However hotels can allow indoor with the previous restrictions of table service for guests staying in the hotel. This will run for 6 weeks.

    Mid July all pubs can open indoor with table service. No time limit or food nonsense. This will run for 6 weeks.

    Start of September back to normal.


  • #620
    PTH2009
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,882 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    ingo1984 wrote: »
    Start of June will be outdoor for all pubs. However hotels can allow indoor with the previous restrictions of table service for guests staying in the hotel. This will run for 6 weeks.

    Mid July all pubs can open indoor with table service. No time limit or food nonsense. This will run for 6 weeks.

    Start of September back to normal.

    Lets hope its normal opening hours and not 10.30pm last orders out by 11pm


  • #621
    Del Griffith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,216 ✭✭✭Del Griffith


    saabsaab wrote: »
    They went against the advice before Christmas and it didn't work out. No good reason to ignore their advice now.

    Thank you for proving my point - https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=116923784&postcount=599


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  • #622
    Dickie10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,936 ✭✭✭Dickie10


    ingo1984 wrote: »
    Start of June will be outdoor for all pubs. However hotels can allow indoor with the previous restrictions of table service for guests staying in the hotel. This will run for 6 weeks.

    Mid July all pubs can open indoor with table service. No time limit or food nonsense. This will run for 6 weeks.

    Start of September back to normal.

    be great if it was , i think it will be early -mid august. i suppose you would have great peace once you keep away from busy pubs any pubs with 5-6 regulars of an evening wont be bothering people with table service or any of that shhhite. thats where i will be in those places shooting the breeze and talking ****e


  • #623
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,998 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    saabsaab wrote: »
    No smoking pubs!

    Irish Govt. have an agenda against pubs as they do for aviation/travel..

    many countries in Europe had their Pubs open last summer when everyone in Ireland was sat at home convincing themselves that cans of Guinness were "just as good as draught".... even when the 7 day average case numbers were higher then as cases are here, in places like Belgium and Luxembourg you could still go and have a pint without a meal....
    13 months on, no pints here.


  • #624
    saabsaab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,238 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Their advice was ignored and look what happened! Good reason I'd say.


  • #625
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,862 ✭✭✭hynesie08


    ingo1984 wrote: »
    Start of June will be outdoor for all pubs. However hotels can allow indoor with the previous restrictions of table service for guests staying in the hotel. This will run for 6 weeks.

    Mid July all pubs can open indoor with table service. No time limit or food nonsense. This will run for 6 weeks.

    Start of September back to normal.

    Where'd you hear that? Down the pub?


  • #626
    saabsaab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,238 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    Irish Govt. have an agenda against pubs as they do for aviation/travel..

    many countries in Europe had their Pubs open last summer when everyone in Ireland was sat at home convincing themselves that cans of Guinness were "just as good as draught".... even when the 7 day average case numbers were higher then as cases are here, in places like Belgium and Luxembourg you could still go and have a pint without a meal....
    13 months on, no pints here.


    No they don't! Conspiracy theorist stuff. It is that those activities are most dangerous now.


  • #627
    Degag
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,982 ✭✭✭Degag


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    Irish Govt. have an agenda against pubs as they do for aviation/travel..

    many countries in Europe had their Pubs open last summer when everyone in Ireland was sat at home convincing themselves that cans of Guinness were "just as good as draught".... even when the 7 day average case numbers were higher then as cases are here, in places like Belgium and Luxembourg you could still go and have a pint without a meal....
    13 months on, no pints here.

    I've heard of the agenda against pubs but the agenda against travel is a new one on me. Pray tell how you came to this conclusion?


  • #628
    Rows Grower
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,358 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    [QUOTE=Tenzor07;116942047]Irish Govt. have an agenda against pubs as they do for aviation/travel..

    many countries in Europe had their Pubs open last summer when everyone in Ireland was sat at home convincing themselves that cans of Guinness were "just as good as draught".... even when the 7 day average case numbers were higher then as cases are here, in places like Belgium and Luxembourg you could still go and have a pint without a meal....
    13 months on, no pints here.[/QUOTE]

    I'm fairly sure you are well off the mark there.

    The Irish Government know like those before them did, that they need the revenue from the pubs and air travellers to run the country.

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



  • #629
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,998 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    saabsaab wrote: »
    No they don't! Conspiracy theorist stuff. It is that those activities are most dangerous now.

    You've been here long enough to do better than little snipes like that..

    Last summer pubs in Europe were open(as you well know) whereas they've been closed here for 13 months, the roof on the world didn't collapse last summer and neither will it when pubs up the North open at the end of this month....when many people from the South will be having a great night out up there, as you sit here telling us still how "Dangerous" pubs are..


  • #630
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,998 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Rows Grower wrote: »
    I'm fairly sure you are well off the mark there.
    The Irish Government know like those before them did, that they need the revenue from the pubs and air travellers to run the country.

    The Government have been quite happily borrowing Billions on the market at low rates....they don't seem desperate for the revenue...

    Where's the plan for reopening pubs and restarting aviation? I wanna see just how far off the mark I am...


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  • #631
    saabsaab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,238 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    You've been here long enough to do better than little snipes like that..

    Last summer pubs in Europe were open(as you well know) whereas they've been closed here for 13 months, the roof on the world didn't collapse last summer and neither will it when pubs up the North open at the end of this month....when many people from the South will be having a great night out up there, as you sit here telling us still how "Dangerous" pubs are..


    Not a snipe just the truth. It is the stuff of conspiracy theory.


  • #632
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,998 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    saabsaab wrote: »
    Not a snipe just the truth. It is the stuff of conspiracy theory.

    Address the point so, dismissing opinions as CT's is pretty weak.


  • #633
    saabsaab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,238 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    Address the point so, dismissing opinions as CT's is pretty weak.


    Not when your point is the Government has an agenda against travel and pubs!


  • #634
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,998 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    saabsaab wrote: »
    Not when your point is the Government has an agenda against travel and pubs!

    I'll be travelling to a pub up North in a couple of weeks for some draught beers, hope it's not "Dangerous"..


  • #635
    Degag
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,982 ✭✭✭Degag


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    The Government have been quite happily borrowing Billions on the market at low rates....they don't seem desperate for the revenue...

    They'll need to pay it back at some point which is where unfortunately you, me and a good few hundred thousand people in the hospitality & travel trades come in.

    This is fairly basic stuff.


  • #636
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,998 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Degag wrote: »
    They'll need to pay it back at some point which is where unfortunately you, me and a good few hundred thousand people in the hospitality & travel trades come in.This is fairly basic stuff.

    "They" will be voted out next election within 3 years or less anyways, retiring on a Gold plated state pension, meanwhile you, your kids, their kids etc, will be still paying taxes for the highest levels of restrictions in the EU...


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  • #637
    saabsaab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,238 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    One way or another we will all be paying for it. Best worry about it after we have got it under control.


  • #638
    Degag
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,982 ✭✭✭Degag


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    "They" will be voted out next election within 3 years or less anyways, retiring on a Gold plated state pension, meanwhile you, your kids, their kids etc, will be still paying taxes for the highest levels of restrictions in the EU...

    It doesn't matter who "they" are in this context.

    And you've just de-crypted your own conspiracy there. Yes there will be (in all likelihood) increased taxes because of this. And you think "they" have an agenda against two of the biggest industries in the country that can do this?!


  • #639
    Tazz T
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,205 ✭✭✭Tazz T


    Degag wrote: »
    They'll need to pay it back at some point which is where unfortunately you, me and a good few hundred thousand people in the hospitality & travel trades come in.

    This is fairly basic stuff.


    What hospitality/travel trade is that?


    Numerous pubs are not opening ever again, they will be apartments built by Floridian cuckoo funds sucking money out of the country and there are planes and jobs trickling out of Dublin airport every day. You're delusional. Aviation, tourism and hospitality will not recover for years. There will be no money to pay for this disproportional response by a inept government. The recession and outflowing of talent will make the last banking crisis look like a trip to Lanzo.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/up-to-1-000-staff-to-leave-cork-and-dublin-airports-under-severance-programme-1.4507710

    Oh, and this is pretty basic stuff.


  • #640
    Degag
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,982 ✭✭✭Degag


    Tazz T wrote: »
    What hospitality/travel trade is that?


    Numerous pubs are not opening ever again, they will be apartments built by Floridian cuckoo funds sucking money out of the country and there are planes and jobs trickling out of Dublin airport every day. You're delusional. Aviation, tourism and hospitality will not recover for years. There will be no money to pay for this disproportional response by a inept government. The recession and outflowing of talent will make the last banking crisis look like a trip to Lanzo.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/up-to-1-000-staff-to-leave-cork-and-dublin-airports-under-severance-programme-1.4507710

    Oh, and this is pretty basic stuff.

    I think you should read my posts properly before calling me delusional because it's fairly evident that you haven't.

    Of course there are going to be pubs and restaurants and alot of other trades and businesses that go under. Which is terrible.

    But to suggest that the Government have some sort of agenda against hospitality & travel is some serious delusion as these businesses are needed to get us out of the hole we are in.

    What it's basically saying is that the Government is against tourism. I would ask if that sounds plausible but i'd be afraid of the types of response it would garner.


  • #641
    Tazz T
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,205 ✭✭✭Tazz T


    Nowhere have I suggested that there is a conspiracy against any sector.

    The government has launched a disproportionate response in which the cure will be more deadly then the disease.

    It is delusional to think there will be a booming economy after this to pay for this.

    The vaccine rollout is happening, the pandemic is ending and it's time to start getting back to business. The priority now should be to salvage what industries we can.

    Yet we still don't even have a date for retail to open, nevermind the possibility of any tourism this summer.


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  • #642
    Degag
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,982 ✭✭✭Degag


    Tazz T wrote: »
    Nowhere have I suggested that there is a conspiracy against any sector.

    The government has launched a disproportionate response in which the cure will be more deadly then the disease.

    It is delusional to think there will be a booming economy after this to pay for this.

    The vaccine rollout is happening, the pandemic is ending and it's time to start getting back to business. The priority now should be to salvage what industries we can.

    Yet we still don't even have a date for retail to open, nevermind the possibility of any tourism this summer.

    I didn’t say you did. I was responding to another poster who claimed there was until you arrived.

    Who claimed there was an agenda against certain industries who will have to help pick up the pieces after this pandemic. Thereby restricting the economic recovery. Laughable.

    I believe we’ll get some dates on reopening next week. Hopefully anyway.


  • #643
    Dickie10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,936 ✭✭✭Dickie10


    King Tony is back so that will put an end to any ideas you have of anything like pubs opening up. As Micheal said " you can forget about take away pints", get ready for , we are gravely concerned, the next 2 weeks is vital.


  • #644
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,862 ✭✭✭hynesie08


    Dickie10 wrote: »
    King Tony is back so that will put an end to any ideas you have of anything like pubs opening up. As Micheal said " you can forget about take away pints", get ready for , we are gravely concerned, the next 2 weeks is vital.

    Not really though.


  • #645
    Dickie10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,936 ✭✭✭Dickie10


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    Not really though.

    are you for real? not a hope of pubs opening before september with him back.


  • #646
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,862 ✭✭✭hynesie08


    Dickie10 wrote: »
    are you for real? not a hope of pubs opening before september with him back.

    OK, you're wrong but OK.


  • #647
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,311 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Dickie10 wrote: »
    are you for real? not a hope of pubs opening before september with him back.

    There had been rumours floating around mid-late June as a valid timeline for pubs reopening. That was before King Tony entered the picture, with uncanny timing ahead of announcement on April 30th for phased easing of restrictions. Now I don't believe in coincidences. He has a particular vendetta against traditional pubs serving indoors. "Covid loves a sup, I sure as hell don't and neither should you". The sector has been ravaged enough without the spectre of Holohan looming large. My prediction, he'll push them out until after the August bank holiday for pure spite, furthermore if there is an inevitable bump in cases by late September he'll cut them off until the following spring. Even if Covid becomes as meek as the annual flu after first cycle of vaccines (remember that stealthy killer roaming the country far and wide taking elderly pensioners by the thousands - media hardly noticed unless those trolleys clogged the corridors). Cases, cases, cases...a handful of ICU admissions :eek: It's the devil's nectar I tell you, everyone is getting plastered and systemically destroying the hospitals. Those degenerate publicans are to blame, better put them out of business permanently. It wouldn't surprise me if Tony is a recovering alcoholic, never has a single individual's agenda against an entire sector been so nakedly apparent.


  • #648
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,998 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Dickie10 wrote: »
    are you for real? not a hope of pubs opening before september with him back.

    Best we in the south can hope for now is to head up North for the weekend and some pints at a pub...
    With Dr. Doom back in charge the outdoor pints here will stop and we'll all be told to "Go the extra mile" to "keep the variants out" until everyone is vaccinated in October....


  • #649
    PTH2009
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,882 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    They will want a meal per drink rule. None of this 'have your meal and then all bets our off and you can drink away then'

    Just when we thought things for the industry would get going again in swoops Dr Tony. He will have his data ready to suggest reopening hospitality Is a very bad idea and class pets in the dail will agree


  • #650
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,862 ✭✭✭hynesie08


    I am also going to completely invent a scenario and blame a man I've never met for something I imagine he's going to do.


  • #651
    Degag
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,982 ✭✭✭Degag


    Deleted User wrote: »
    There had been rumours floating around mid-late June as a valid timeline for pubs reopening. That was before King Tony entered the picture, with uncanny timing ahead of announcement on April 30th for phased easing of restrictions. Now I don't believe in coincidences. He has a particular vendetta against traditional pubs serving indoors. "Covid loves a sup, I sure as hell don't and neither should you". The sector has been ravaged enough without the spectre of Holohan looming large. My prediction, he'll push them out until after the August bank holiday for pure spite, furthermore if there is an inevitable bump in cases by late September he'll cut them off until the following spring. Even if Covid becomes as meek as the annual flu after first cycle of vaccines (remember that stealthy killer roaming the country far and wide taking elderly pensioners by the thousands - media hardly noticed unless those trolleys clogged the corridors). Cases, cases, cases...a handful of ICU admissions :eek: It's the devil's nectar I tell you, everyone is getting plastered and systemically destroying the hospitals. Those degenerate publicans are to blame, better put them out of business permanently. It wouldn't surprise me if Tony is a recovering alcoholic, never has a single individual's agenda against an entire sector been so nakedly apparent.

    Was this some kind of nightmare you had last night?

    Certainly lives in some fictional land anyhow.


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