USA Election - Who would you vote for? POLL

patsy_mccabe · 04-11-2020 11:36am #1

A bit of harmless fun folks, for the day that's in it. If you had a vote, who would you vote for and why?

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- Biden

- Trump

04-11-2020 11:38am

Neither.

yosemitesam1 · 04-11-2020 12:10pm

You forgot Kanye

Lime Tree Farm · 04-11-2020 12:14pm

None of the above.

funkey_monkey · 04-11-2020 12:15pm

Howie Hawkins - for the name alone.

In a country of over 300 million people they could surely have found someone better on both sides. Trump is a loon and I don't care much for Biden and his antics either - plus his memory lapses would be a concern too. Democrats should have walked this.

Enquiring · 04-11-2020 12:19pm

I think these candidates are an embarrassment for America. These 2 are the best they could come up with? Two creepy, old men.

enricoh · 04-11-2020 12:27pm

Enquiring wrote: »

I think these candidates are an embarrassment for America. These 2 are the best they could come up with? Two creepy, old men.

Whoever leaves the us multinationals in Ireland alone!
Trump- he's a better chance of being still alive in 4 years and he didn't start any wars in fairness.
I think the us economy was going well before corona also.

Enquiring · 04-11-2020 12:38pm

enricoh wrote: »

Whoever leaves the us multinationals in Ireland alone!
Trump- he's a better chance of being still alive in 4 years and he didn't start any wars in fairness.
I think the us economy was going well before corona also.

Honestly, the border issue is far more important. Whoever would be more supportive to us on that is favourable.

NcdJd · 04-11-2020 12:49pm

Kim Jong-un or Arnold Schwarzenegger.

May as well keep the entertainment going.

minerleague · 04-11-2020 1:48pm

Enquiring wrote: »

I think these candidates are an embarrassment for America. These 2 are the best they could come up with? Two creepy, old men.

+1, In fairness I wouldn,t have voted for hilary clinton either last time. Off topic but clips of Ronald Reagen been coming up on youtube here, know nothing of his politics but he could tell a good yarn

Jb1989 · 04-11-2020 1:58pm

Trump. If everyone that's gives out about trump had the same ambition about becoming president as they do about giveing about him, it would suit them better.

I think most bad conversations about him simply boils down to jealousy.

gozunda · 04-11-2020 1:59pm

In fairness thank fuk We're not in the US ...

_Brian · 04-11-2020 2:08pm

Jb1989 wrote: »

Trump. If everyone that's gives out about trump had the same ambition about becoming president as they do about giveing about him, it would suit them better.

I think most bad conversations about him simply boils down to jealousy.

That’s simply untrue.
He’s a genuinely bad person. That’s not jealousy it’s just what he is.

billyhead · 04-11-2020 2:09pm

I'd spoil my vote.

ganmo · 04-11-2020 2:11pm

Trump cares more about how he is thought of rather than actually leading.
I believe he has done more to de stabilise american democracy than any other leader

Panch18 · 04-11-2020 2:29pm

_Brian wrote: »

That’s simply untrue.
He’s a genuinely bad person. That’s not jealousy it’s just what he is.

Genuinely bad person??

How many wars on foreign soil has he started? or even continued?

NONE

Who's the last American president who can say that

MrMusician18 · 04-11-2020 2:30pm

I said in the other thread in politics that a Biden win is much more advantageous for Ireland than Trump.
A Biden win would make the US a lot less attractive as a trading partner for the UK and would force the UK to make concessions to the EU in trade talks. This will significantly impact agri-foods.

Trump, on the other hand is set on the destruction of multilateral organisations like the EU and the UN, so his policies would be much more dangerous for Ireland.

_Brian · 04-11-2020 4:11pm

Panch18 wrote: »

Genuinely bad person??

How many wars on foreign soil has he started? or even continued?

NONE

Who's the last American president who can say that

So that’s it.
The only way you measure a person as good or bad is if they have started a war ??
Jez you’re setting the bar fairly low there.

Panch18 · 04-11-2020 4:25pm

_Brian wrote: »

So that’s it.
The only way you measure a person as good or bad is if they have started a war ??
Jez you’re setting the bar fairly low there.

So the "genuinely bad person" did not start or continue any wars on foreign soils in his 4 years in office

No answer me this - how many lives (both American and Non) were lost whilst Dozy Joe was last part of an administration?

jaymla627 · 04-11-2020 4:57pm

Panch18 wrote: »

So the "genuinely bad person" did not start or continue any wars on foreign soils in his 4 years in office

No answer me this - how many lives (both American and Non) were lost whilst Dozy Joe was last part of an administration?

Its been buried pretty well in the past but if the democratic administration's led by obama had left libiya alone and stayed out of the Syrian conflict isis would never of mothballed into what it was and million of lives would of been saved, along with the issue we are now seeing in mainland Eurppe of Muslim led jihad attacks, but Trump is the megalomaniac

White Clover · 04-11-2020 5:11pm

I'd say Biden has it.

Panch18 · 04-11-2020 5:47pm

jaymla627 wrote: »

Its been buried pretty well in the past but if the democratic administration's led by obama had left libiya alone and stayed out of the Syrian conflict isis would never of mothballed into what it was and million of lives would of been saved, along with the issue we are now seeing in mainland Eurppe of Muslim led jihad attacks, but Trump is the megalomaniac

Never let the truth get in the way of a good story

jaymla627 · 04-11-2020 7:06pm

_Brian wrote: »

So that’s it.
The only way you measure a person as good or bad is if they have started a war ??
Jez you’re setting the bar fairly low there.

If you have a hour to pass google Bohemian grove and then maybe look into Bill Clinton's very close relationship with Jeffery Epstein, Donald Trump is just the tip of the iceberg American politics is a sh**show with like Ireland where the public sector run the country, out their it's the CIA and military interests that are in control

ganmo · 04-11-2020 7:28pm

jaymla627 wrote: »

If you have a hour to pass google Bohemian grove and then maybe look into Bill Clinton's very close relationship with Jeffery Epstein, Donald Trump is just the tip of the iceberg American politics is a sh**show with like Ireland where the public sector run the country, out their it's the CIA and military interests that are in control

The first thing they need to do is change how campaigns are funded. It's so easy to buy politicians lots of ppl give to both sides

Suckler · 04-11-2020 11:49pm

It would be funny if it wasn't so serious.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1324108200141082624

ganmo · 04-11-2020 11:59pm

Haha love how twitter have to warnings on his tweets

patsy_mccabe · 05-11-2020 12:09am

Has Biden it won? Neveda & Arizona would get him over the line, no?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/us/us-election/results

whisky_galore · 05-11-2020 12:29am

Biden, as the best of a bad lot. If only the Dems had a better, perhaps younger candidate to work with.

Trump is good at fooling your average US blue collar worker, who isn't terribly intelligent to begin with.

Panch18 · 05-11-2020 12:59am

whisky_galore wrote: »

Biden, as the best of a bad lot. If only the Dems had a better, perhaps younger candidate to work with.

Trump is good at fooling your average US blue collar worker, who isn't terribly intelligent to begin with.

Before Covid you’re average blue collar worker who isn’t very intelligent to begin with has seen the lowest unemployment rates in decades, the highest take home pay on his salary in a long time and a stock market that was booming.

They mustn’t be very intelligent alright

keepalive213 · 05-11-2020 1:34am

Sadly the once mighty USA is so divided a nation that it doesn't really matter who wins, they are on a downward spiral.
The Biden victory will at least serve to remove the tangerine man child from power and not before time.
I don't think history will be kind to trump, his administrations bungling of the pandemic has needlessly caused the deaths of many thousands of people.
On the economic front his numbers were realistically no better than Obamas, regardless of the propaganda, and had more to do with the situation he inherited than anything he actually did.
Im just glad I live in Ireland, even if today has been the first dry day here in a week.

_Brian · 05-11-2020 5:35am

I see trump has started the legal process over mail in voting.

He’s been setting the seeds for this for a long time. Chipping away at the public perception with essentially zero evidence. Historically there has been something like 0.001% fraud in mail in votes.
This is why he has been busy rigging the Supreme Court in his favour and now holds something like 6-3 Judges On his side.

Biden would have his hands full quelling the red necks with trucks and automatic weapons if/when trump looses. It could get very ugly very quickly. The proud boys the that Trump told to stand by won’t let this go easily, having a Racist biggot as president has been a boon for these extremists.

20silkcut · 05-11-2020 9:14am

Panch18 wrote: »

Before Covid you’re average blue collar worker who isn’t very intelligent to begin with has seen the lowest unemployment rates in decades, the highest take home pay on his salary in a long time and a stock market that was booming.

They mustn’t be very intelligent alright

Yes this stuff doesn’t get reported on this side of the Atlantic we only hear the juicy controversial stuff.
If a politician came to my county and said he was going to open up and expand long shut down and declining industries I’d vote for him regardless of how much an ass hole he was. Over the past 30 years too many decisions have happened that adversely affect rural areas while the big cities just go from strength to strength.
However the fact that trump lost states like Michigan and Wisconsin and Is struggling in places like Pennsylvania probably means he hasn’t followed through on many of those promises or that such promises are too unrealistic in the face of relentless globalisation.
Not surprising that he has held comfortably all the strong Agricultural states like Iowa, Kansas , Missouri. He was genuinely good for some farmers.
However Wisconsin dairy farmers suffer badly under trumps trade war with Canada. That fed big time into him losing Wisconsin I reckon.

NcdJd · 05-11-2020 10:25am

ganmo wrote: »

Haha love how twitter have to warnings on his tweets

Twitter will miss Trump now with all the traffic and new accounts he generated for them.

Gas that they put up warnings on this yet someone can stick up a tweet calling on the president of this country to be dragged out of the Aras and his head stomped on yet will do nothing about it.

jaymla627 · 05-11-2020 11:05am

_Brian wrote: »

I see trump has started the legal process over mail in voting.

He’s been setting the seeds for this for a long time. Chipping away at the public perception with essentially zero evidence. Historically there has been something like 0.001% fraud in mail in votes.
This is why he has been busy rigging the Supreme Court in his favour and now holds something like 6-3 Judges On his side.

Biden would have his hands full quelling the red necks with trucks and automatic weapons if/when trump looses. It could get very ugly very quickly. The proud boys the that Trump told to stand by won’t let this go easily, having a Racist biggot as president has been a boon for these extremists.

It will be a non-event, but if Biden gets notions to implement say a federal lockdown nationwide to curb covid 19 and ended up sending in the army our national guard into a state like Texas for example that wouldn't comply to force compliance with such a order all hell would break loose

bogman_bass · 05-11-2020 11:15am

whisky_galore wrote: »

Biden, as the best of a bad lot. If only the Dems had a better, perhaps younger candidate to work with.

Trump is good at fooling your average US blue collar worker, who isn't terribly intelligent to begin with.

Buttigieg Will be that guy in time it just came too soon for him this time round.

As for who i’d Vote for. If I was American I would go for Biden 1000%

Would I vote for him in an Irish election? No. But there’s the options

American farmers did far better under Obama’s than under trump

whisky_galore · 05-11-2020 12:25pm

Panch18 wrote: »

Before Covid you’re average blue collar worker who isn’t very intelligent to begin with has seen the lowest unemployment rates in decades, the highest take home pay on his salary in a long time and a stock market that was booming.

They mustn’t be very intelligent alright

Things go right. Takes credit for them even if it had nothing to do with him.

Things go wrong. It's China's fault, crooked Hilary's fault, Obama's fault, liberals' fault, Fauci's fault, "fake news"...etc.

Panch18 · 05-11-2020 12:27pm

whisky_galore wrote: »

Things go right. Takes credit for them even if it had nothing to do with him.

Things go wrong. It's China's fault, crooked Hilary's fault, Obama's fault, liberals' fault, Fauci's fault, "fake news"...etc.

Isn't that how all politics the world over works

ARGINITE · 05-11-2020 12:38pm

Panch18 wrote: »

Genuinely bad person??

How many wars on foreign soil has he started? or even continued?

NONE

Who's the last American president who can say that

Trump vetoes the bill to stop US involvement in Yemen (for people that didn't read the source this bill was to End U.S. Involvement in Yemen War)
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/16/us/politics/trump-veto-yemen.html

Trump has reduced the number of overseas troops by 5000, he still has troops in Afghanistan and to a limited extent in Iraq and Syria.
https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54060026

If you're going to make claims please supply credible source to back up the claims.

Panch18 · 05-11-2020 12:39pm

ARGINITE wrote: »

Trump vetoes the bill to stop US involvement in Yemen
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/16/us/politics/trump-veto-yemen.html

Trump has reduced the number of overseas troops by 5000, he still has troops in Afghanistan and to a limited extent in Iraq and Syria.
https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54060026

So staying out of a conflict that he shouldn't be involved in

And reducing the number of troops abroad

Backs up my point

patsy_mccabe · 05-11-2020 12:45pm

A good article on USA politics.

https://www.independent.ie/news/we-relied-too-long-on-lazy-caricatures-of-us-and-election-results-will-shatter-illusions-irish-people-have-about-american-politics-39710114.html

ARGINITE · 05-11-2020 12:45pm

Panch18 wrote: »

So staying out of a conflict that he shouldn't be involved in

And reducing the number of troops abroad

Backs up my point

Your point was and I quote "How many wars on foreign soil has he started? or even continued?".

So did he continued the US participation in the wars in Yemen, Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria?

To make it more relevant to the forum U.S. farm bankruptcies surge 24% under Trump

Suckler · 05-11-2020 12:46pm

Panch18 wrote: »

And reducing the number of troops abroad

Backs up my point

Again, it doesn't - you've asked what ones "he's continued" Those are prime examples.

ThewhiteJesus · 05-11-2020 12:47pm

Good idea op and interesting results so far

Panch18 · 05-11-2020 1:02pm

ARGINITE wrote: »

Your point was and I quote "How many wars on foreign soil has he started? or even continued?".

So did he continued the US participation in the wars in Yemen, Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria?

To make it more relevant to the forum U.S. farm bankruptcies surge 24% under Trump

Between Iraq and Afghanistan there have been less than 100 US army casualties since Trump took over. The number of deaths of locals in those countries is also dramatically down since he took over

Now how many thousands of locals and US army died in Obama's reign? Many Many Many multiples is the answer

Simple fact is that a huge number less American soldiers, and Non American civilians, have lost their lives under Trump than Obama, or most other predecessors

ARGINITE · 05-11-2020 1:16pm

Panch18 wrote: »

Between Iraq and Afghanistan there have been less than 100 US army casualties since Trump took over. The number of deaths of locals in those countries is also dramatically down since he took over

Now how many thousands of locals and US army died in Obama's reign? Many Many Many multiples is the answer

Simple fact is that a huge number less American soldiers, and Non American civilians, have lost their lives under Trump than Obama, or most other predecessors

So did he continue the US participation in the wars in Yemen, Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria?

_Brian · 05-11-2020 1:34pm

ARGINITE wrote: »

So did he continue the US participation in the wars in Yemen, Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria?

Plus deaths in places like Afghanistan have been increasing since the year he took over.

Plus they are refusing now to release military data to verify.

How many innocent Americans has he killed through his mismanagement of covid ??

Panch18 · 05-11-2020 2:00pm

ARGINITE wrote: »

So did he continue the US participation in the wars in Yemen, Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria?

he didn't withdraw from Iraq and Afgan if that's what you are asking

Do you think Biden will? Him being part of the Obama regime that killed a huge amount of both American soldiers and foreign nationals

Eleven Benevolent Elephants · 05-11-2020 2:03pm

Enquiring wrote: »

I think these candidates are an embarrassment for America. These 2 are the best they could come up with? Two creepy, old men.

What's their gender got to do with it?

Did you call Clinton a creepy old woman?

Panch18 · 05-11-2020 2:05pm

_Brian wrote: »

Plus deaths in places like Afghanistan have been increasing since the year he took over.

Plus they are refusing now to release military data to verify.

How many innocent Americans has he killed through his mismanagement of covid ??

On the deaths from Covid

The death rate per million is not a whole lot worse than in France or UK, and is better than it is in Spain and Belgium for example

You don't need to look across the Atlantic to find people dying of Covid

ARGINITE · 05-11-2020 2:08pm

Panch18 wrote: »

he didn't withdraw from Iraq and Afgan if that's what you are asking

Do you think Biden will? Him being part of the Obama regime that killed a huge amount of both American soldiers and foreign nationals

So yes Trump continued on more than one current war the US are involved in.

Will Biden do better only time will tell, neither of them are a saint but Biden admits to his mistakes and attempt to fix them.

Say my name · 05-11-2020 2:09pm

Interesting account from an Irishman living on Long island on the local radio station.

He doesn't vote nor does he align himself with any preference.
But he gave an account how most of his friends in L.I would be Trump supporters and there's a division then in New York city who would be Biden.

The reason they'd be Trump is not that they like him it's purely from a security point of view.
Account he gave is after George Floyd's death there was rioting in the city. So the democrats took police officers off the street. In consequence crime went up 800%.
He was struck himself on the road last week in a hit and run and phoned the police. To which the operator told him they'd be a while due to cutbacks. He was waiting 3 hours and got fed up and left and made no statement as there'd be no point.
When Trump makes pro police speeches he gets the voters.

He said there's huge division out there atm with drivers swerving at one another on the road over what political bumper sticker they have.
He said shops are boarding up in case of riots. His thoughts are if Trump gets in there'll be riots on the streets.
If Biden gets in not so much.

The radio show host asked him to call it and based on what he see's he called that it could be Trump yet.
But that between everything like the Bush election it could be December before it's decided.

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