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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I'm not keen on American style political advertising. They often come across like a movie trailer for a disaster movie based on the other candidate getting power.

    The Lincoln project ads are no different, but I thought they'd focus on Trump and leave the senate races alone. I guess not:



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,303 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    They want to remove all vestige of Trumpism from the Republican party. Can't remember where I saw it now, but I recall reading a quote from one of them about wanting to remove Trump and all but one Senator (presumably Romney).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,166 ✭✭✭✭Zzippy


    :D
    I'm not keen on American style political advertising. They often come across like a movie trailer for a disaster movie based on the other candidate getting power.

    The Lincoln project ads are no different, but I thought they'd focus on Trump and leave the senate races alone. I guess not:

    Without all the enablers, Trump would be powerless. They need to be removed too. DRAIN THE SWAMP! ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,616 ✭✭✭✭errlloyd


    I'm not keen on American style political advertising. They often come across like a movie trailer for a disaster movie based on the other candidate getting power.

    The Lincoln project ads are no different, but I thought they'd focus on Trump and leave the senate races alone. I guess not:


    I don't think the Lincoln project is actively supporting many democratic candidates. I think it's trying to deter other major republicans from towing the trump line


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I wouldn't be surprised if we're having an Election ourselves come November. Knives seem to be out within FF.

    Sorry I mean, that fictional place paddyland and its fictional coalition government is never going to last fictionally. Nothing to do with Irish politics.


  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ Alessandra Miniature Owl


    errlloyd wrote: »
    I don't think the Lincoln project is actively supporting many democratic candidates. I think it's trying to deter other major republicans from towing the trump line

    They aren't, they are Republicans themselves, they just want rid of Trump.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    The R is back up to 1. Sigh.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,303 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    They aren't, they are Republicans themselves, they just want rid of Trump.

    They want rid of Trump and Trumpism, which means erasing most of the Republicans in the Senate to them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,223 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    The R is back up to 1. Sigh.

    When confirmed cases are on average so low, any slight upturn will see the R rate increasing. At least that's what I've read on the topic. Saw a similar thing in Germany. Prof Philip Nolan says there's no cause for concern yet.

    But what concerns me is that 50% of close contacts of a confirmed Covid case are refusing to take their second Covid test on day 7. That's so, so selfish.


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,688 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Clegg wrote: »

    But what concerns me is that 50% of close contacts of a confirmed Covid case are refusing to take their second Covid test on day 7. That's so, so selfish.

    That's bonkers

    Is it fear of having to isolate for seven days as you get tested on day 0 and day7? Or just arrogance?


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    Stheno wrote: »
    That's bonkers

    Is it fear of having to isolate for seven days as you get tested on day 0 and day7? Or just arrogance?

    I understand the test isn't the nicest. I'd say they just don't want their sinus cavity poked again!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,416 ✭✭✭Dave_The_Sheep


    I understand the test isn't the nicest. I'd say they just don't want their sinus cavity poked again!

    That's like saying "I don't like needles, I won't have any vaccines, thanks!".

    Stupid, selfish and shortsighted, just like the vaccine people. C*nts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,223 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    A lot of travel related cases as well. Tbh that really concerns me. I want to be optimistic that we'll keep this contained to low levels, but the refusal of people to take tests and the importation of Cass from elsewhere makes that so hard to do. The health service has done Trojan work, aided by the wider population doing their part and restricting their movements. I don't want to see that wasted.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,728 ✭✭✭Former Former


    Stheno wrote: »
    That's bonkers

    Is it fear of having to isolate for seven days as you get tested on day 0 and day7? Or just arrogance?

    It's complacency. It's young people not giving a f**k.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,722 ✭✭✭✭Squidgy Black


    The R is back up to 1. Sigh.

    Went over to my local there to pick up a couple takeaway pints and dinner.

    Almost zero social distancing, none of the staff wearing masks or gloves etc, and I've heard from a few lads that the time limit rule is non-existent.

    Genuinely couldn't pay me to go over and sit there for a few hours.


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,688 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    It's complacency. It's young people not giving a f**k.

    That's shameful tbh

    My favourite local opened today and we went in for dinner

    Literally five tables out of thirty occupied

    They took our contact details, the staff were masks etc

    We really enjoyed having dinner, first time I've been anywhere in a few days

    If I got a call or app notification of a close contact I'd be first in the queue for a test tbh

    The isolation would be frustrating but it's only 2 weeks


  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 6,524 Mod ✭✭✭✭dregin


    Clegg wrote: »
    But what concerns me is that 50% of close contacts of a confirmed Covid case are refusing to take their second Covid test on day 7. That's so, so selfish.


    It shouldn't be optional. That or name and shame the pricks. We've all put far too much into this to allow a minority of morons to drag us back towards square one.


    Also, there should be heavy fines and forced closure for pubs ignoring the rules.


    #SoftlySoftlyApproach


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,767 ✭✭✭✭molloyjh


    Watching Prime Time at the moment. The experts in studio are basically saying there's no real need to panic at the moment. The R number will fluctuate and we just need to keep an eye on it over time. Basically if we keep doing what we should be doing, hygiene, distancing, masks etc, we should be okay. The risk is too many people not doing those things. The supermarkets are a positive sign. Tesco had a tiny number of confirmed cases in their staff. People constantly moving about, not congregating together and being generally sensible and cautious shows this can be done. It's on us now, despite how some want to point the finger at authorities and business groups.

    Good to see the Vintners Association come out strongly in favour of serious repercussions for their members that are in breach of the guidance on this.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭jacothelad


    How did such a loathsome specimen of all-round vileness, uselessness and worthlessness become the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom.
    The thing is, it’s understandable when an incompetent rogue gets to attract enough support to raise him (or, much less commonly, her) to the leadership of a country through the force of a charming and charismatic personality. This results in the blinding of many weak minded people to their lack of leadership abilities or huge personality flaws such as lining very deep pockets with cash belonging to the people. But in Mr Blobby's case, his total unfitness for the role of PM is matched by the total unattractiveness of his persona.

    He’s such an extraordinarily repulsive person – repulsive in appearance, repulsive in manner, repulsive in speech, as well as repulsive in everything he does and everything he omits to do. Those dead fish eyes, and the look in them, make me spit with revulsion, as I’d spit looking into the eyes of any cold-blooded predator.

    How could such a person possibly attract any support, let alone attract enough support to make him any kind of leader, least of all the leader of a large, still moderately powerful, and not-so-long-ago mighty nation? Well, we underestimate the cretinous stupidity of the English electorate. There must be hundred of thousands of people, perhaps even millions, better fitted for the job among the UK’s more than 66 million citizens.

    So how is it possible that so grotesque a brute rose above everyone else to become our PM? How it could have happened, or how it could have been allowed to happen? Simple. Corbyn happened, McCluskey, McDonnell, Abbott, Burgon, Lansman and Rebecca Long-Bailey and that bunch of utter losers opened the door and then blew it off the hinges. There is more common sense in a pile of dog sh*t than amongst that coterie of arrogant ideologues. Bampots.

    Their failure gave us the slurry of lying bastards like Handoncock who dishonours the department of health, Sunak dishonours the Treasury department, Rees-Mogg dishonours parliament, Johnson dishonours No 10 and the entirety of the conservative party would have it no other way. This is a party without any ideas, plans, policies and couldn't possibly care less about the Constitution they swore an oath to uphold. The Conservative Party represents the biggest most discernible present threat to the future of this country. They are despicable. Why are we letting the government get away with this? The French would never put up with this 'merde'. It's mainly because the media in this country are either supporters of these crooks or sh*t scared of the billionaire tax exiles that own them...body and lack of soul.

    A significant part of the problem is that there is no written constitution, merely a series of winks, nudges & nods designed to perpetuate one big mess that can be exploited by the unscrupulous & unprincipled. It's a system that has long since failed us all.



    Karl Marx predicted Britain would be the first country to experience a revolution given the exploitation and barbaric conditions under which the ordinary working man and woman laboured. However he didn't reckon with the servile, forelock tugging character of the British towards their 'betters'. Those beer bellied, knuckle dragging, grunting half wits, sub human drones all, would kick you to death for an imagined slight on 'Queen Brenda' or their hero 'Bunter Bozo'. Their lack of intelligence is shocking.

    Behind the slipped mask of his boosterism fakery, his mendacious and duplicitous lies have enabled him to laugh his way to the top of the political ladder. The man is a no good, lazy, incompetent, cynical liar and that is being kind. He is a part-time PM in every way possible and sadly a full-time liability for this country as we are now seeing in full technicolour. And yet this babbling, burbling fool and charlatan announces he is proud of his achievements but that is typical of the delirious boast of a fool.

    What he delusionally sees as achievements to his cultish Brexit supporters, others see them as being nothing more then a national scandal in every way possible.
    Any normal person would see them for what they are and that is sh^t show after sh^t show.

    Tory ‘achievements’ just to remind you of how delusional this Tory government are.
    Contact tracing , an utter failure.
    Herd immunity , an utter failure.
    PPE , an utter failure.
    Testing , an utter failure.
    Lockdown , an utter failure
    Care homes , an utter failure.
    App..an utter failure
    Contact tracing…… again , an utter failure.
    Protecting the lives and health of its own citizens , an utter failure.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    Jaco are you sure you're not from Limerick? So much pashun!


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭jacothelad


    Jaco are you sure you're not from Limerick? So much pashun!


    Pretty certain.......:D:D:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,154 ✭✭✭✭Neil3030


    Stheno wrote: »
    That's bonkers

    Is it fear of having to isolate for seven days as you get tested on day 0 and day7? Or just arrogance?

    Trying to be optimistic here...

    Perhaps a significant chunk of these people did the math and reckon that even if they had it, it's almost definitely gone?

    Time it takes for symptoms to develop in a patient... then the wait for their test... then the wait for results... then the confirmation.... then the case tracing... then the wait for close contacts to get tested... then the wait for those results.... then a week....

    Chances are 14 days could have passed from the contact you had with the patient, to the date of your second test?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,416 ✭✭✭Dave_The_Sheep


    dregin wrote: »
    It shouldn't be optional. That or name and shame the pricks. We've all put far too much into this to allow a minority of morons to drag us back towards square one.


    Also, there should be heavy fines and forced closure for pubs ignoring the rules.

    Honestly, I've lost a lot of confidence in our approach to dealing with Covid since the new government came in. Previously when it came to Covid announcements, you'd be confident that Varadkar and co would generally do the right thing, and would take it seriously. You felt you were in good hands. And I'm not a FG voter (never have been now I think about it).

    I have no such faith in Martin and Donnelly. I just don't see them making the right decision, if the wrong decision is easier. I don't see them grabbing control in the case of pubs and other places flouting rules.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,154 ✭✭✭✭Neil3030


    If anyone watches Bald and Bankrupt on YouTube, he just got out of a Serbian hospital, spent a week in ICU with Covid. He said upon admission into hospital his blood oxygen was 70%!

    However he also claims that the disease "shrunk his knob" and there has been no activity down there since he started feeling symptoms (makes sense, as we know this disease attacks blood vessels). His exact phrase was - "not a twitch".

    Can't help but feel that if we put "My knob shrunk" and "Not a twitch" on a billboards across the world, younger folks may start taking this thing a lot more seriously!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,870 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    I understand the test isn't the nicest. I'd say they just don't want their sinus cavity poked again!

    My mate got the test done a few months back. He said she put the swab in so far that he'd have to buy her dinner at the very least.


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    My cousin tested positive a few days ago after flying back from New Zealand of all places. She had a connecting flight through Qater so they think that's where she got it. We were due to do a big family bbq 15 days after she got back this Sunday. Mad stuff


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,223 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    My cousin tested positive a few days ago after flying back from New Zealand of all places. She had a connecting flight through Qater so they think that's where she got it. We were due to do a big family bbq 15 days after she got back this Sunday. Mad stuff

    Hope your cousin is ok.

    Travel from other countries is a major concern. There was a Newstalk reporter in Dublin airport today interviewing new arrivals. He spoke to a family from Texas who said they thought the threat of the virus was overblown and that they would be travelling around Ireland for their holiday. It's stuff like that which makes me worry about a second wave. I know a lot of people would deride that as scaremongering, but allowing people from virus hotspots into Ireland unchecked could have bad consequences.


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,688 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Clegg wrote: »
    Hope your cousin is ok.

    Travel from other countries is a major concern. There was a Newstalk reporter in Dublin airport today interviewing new arrivals. He spoke to a family from Texas who said they thought the threat of the virus was overblown and that they would be travelling around Ireland for their holiday. It's stuff like that which makes me worry about a second wave. I know a lot of people would deride that as scaremongering, but allowing people from virus hotspots into Ireland unchecked could have bad consequences.
    Probably Republicans


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,303 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Clegg wrote: »
    Travel from other countries is a major concern.

    It's not really. Travelling from certain other countries is a major concern.

    Why we are allowing people in with the same wishy washy self-quarantining requirements whether they be from the US or Germany makes no sense.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,416 ✭✭✭Dave_The_Sheep


    Podge_irl wrote: »
    It's not really. Travelling from certain other countries is a major concern.

    Why we are allowing people in with the same wishy washy self-quarantining requirements whether they be from the US or Germany makes no sense.

    I emailed the minister's department there last week (and my TDs) regarding travel from the US. This was the department's 'Covid-19 Response Team' cookie cutter response, not that I expected anything different to be honest (nor did I expect an email to have any effect, was just curious as to how/if they'd reply).
    The Government continues to advise against all non-essential travel overseas until further notice. The current travel advice is in effect until the 20th July. It is not possible to say what circumstances will apply after that date due to the nature of the virus that has caused this global pandemic. At present, is intended that there will be a gradual opening up of international travel through a Roadmap for Safe Overseas Access, as has been announced by the Irish Government. Up to date government advice on travel in the context of COVID-19 is published at https://www.gov.ie/en/, https://www.dfa.ie/ ; and https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/travel.html.

    I understand there is ongoing consideration being given by Government to policy in relation to overseas travel, including to possible additional measures being put in place at airports and ports to strengthen existing arrangements. The Government continues to review the methodology and approach to be used in connection with travel arrangements.

    So, business as usual.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,037 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    A mate of mine arrived back into Dublin Airport yesterday from Spain. Said he filled in the 14 day self-isolation form and tried to give it to the bloke at Customs. Got told he had to give it to the person at the desk on his way out of Arrivals. There was no desk there and no one collecting forms. Asked a DAA worker what he should do with the form and got told the same thing. When he pointed out that there was no one there and there was no desk they shrugged their shoulders and said they didn't know what to do with it. So he threw it in the bin and left the airport.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,303 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Yeah_Right wrote: »
    A mate of mine arrived back into Dublin Airport yesterday from Spain. Said he filled in the 14 day self-isolation form and tried to give it to the bloke at Customs. Got told he had to give it to the person at the desk on his way out of Arrivals. There was no desk there and no one collecting forms. Asked a DAA worker what he should do with the form and got told the same thing. When he pointed out that there was no one there and there was no desk they shrugged their shoulders and said they didn't know what to do with it. So he threw it in the bin and left the airport.

    God this infuriates me. I'm putting off going home cause of this, as I wouldn't be going home for 2 weeks, making self isolation for that period somewhat impossible.


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    Pretty staggering to see the Tories polling upwards again. You would wonder what is influencing people in England, whether it's ongoing social media manipulation or some kind of cultural or cognitive deficit.

    The fairly open displays of corruption, the horrifying death toll and the aggressive incompetence of the Government hasn't made a blip. They'll just continue to be emboldened but I still can't understand exactly what the end game here is - The country is turning into Russia right before our eyes and when people get hit with the consequences there is going to be an enormous meltdown.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,154 ✭✭✭✭Neil3030


    Pretty staggering to see the Tories polling upwards again. You would wonder what is influencing people in England, whether it's ongoing social media manipulation or some kind of cultural or cognitive deficit.

    The fairly open displays of corruption, the horrifying death toll and the aggressive incompetence of the Government hasn't made a blip. They'll just continue to be emboldened but I still can't understand exactly what the end game here is - The country is turning into Russia right before our eyes and when people get hit with the consequences there is going to be an enormous meltdown.

    Is another way to say this - The UK are simply a few decades behind Russia in it's post-great-empire descent into kleptocracy?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,416 ✭✭✭Dave_The_Sheep


    Pretty staggering to see the Tories polling upwards again. You would wonder what is influencing people in England, whether it's ongoing social media manipulation or some kind of cultural or cognitive deficit.

    Plenty of them simply aren't seeing the news about the Tories, or if they are, it's through the lens of right-wing controlled media which minimises all bad done by the Tories and blames someone else.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    Pretty staggering to see the Tories polling upwards again. You would wonder what is influencing people in England, whether it's ongoing social media manipulation or some kind of cultural or cognitive deficit.

    The fairly open displays of corruption, the horrifying death toll and the aggressive incompetence of the Government hasn't made a blip. They'll just continue to be emboldened but I still can't understand exactly what the end game here is - The country is turning into Russia right before our eyes and when people get hit with the consequences there is going to be an enormous meltdown.
    mix of what you've said. Media manipulation is horrendous. Look at list of circulation figures for papers and that gives good insight into what many people think or believe because that's what their media tells them and reinforces in every issue.
    Conservatives put themselves as arch English nationalists and get votes as a result in huge numbers over and over regardless of what's actually happening across the countey


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,728 ✭✭✭Former Former


    Well, it's less than a year ago that Johnson instituted a dictatorship in the UK. He called it proroguing but essentially democracy wasn't serving his needs so he did away with democracy. The supreme Court unanimously ruled that it was a deliberate attempt to subvert democracy.

    Now, the public "should" have been outraged and turfed him out at the election. Instead, they gave him an unassailable mandate to do whatever the fnck he wanted for five years.

    I'd have been surprised if the Tories didn't rebound in the polls tbh. We're living in an age where actions and consequences are no longer connected.

    And it is not the media to blame. It is the internet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,375 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    Well, it's less than a year ago that Johnson instituted a dictatorship in the UK. He called it proroguing but essentially democracy wasn't serving his needs so he did away with democracy. The supreme Court unanimously ruled that it was a deliberate attempt to subvert democracy.

    Now, the public "should" have been outraged and turfed him out at the election. Instead, they gave him an unassailable mandate to do whatever the fnck he wanted for five years.

    I'd have been surprised if the Tories didn't rebound in the polls tbh. We're living in an age where actions and consequences are no longer connected.

    And it is not the media to blame. It is the internet.
    Ah here! Biggest selling newspaper in the UK is still the S*n. `Biggest circulation via all media is the Daily Fail. And I see this morning that the Spectator has increased their circulation to the point that they are taking on new staff and returning their furlough money. And all of these (including the Torygraph) are mouthpieces for Johnson and the Tories. The BBC is so obsessed with balance that last night, they had somebody on to 'balance' the message that wearing face masks in public was necessary to slow the spread of Covid-19.

    Who needs the internet when the main sources of 'news' are so biased and craven?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,047 ✭✭✭Bazzo


    prawnsambo wrote: »
    Ah here! Biggest selling newspaper in the UK is still the S*n. `Biggest circulation via all media is the Daily Fail. And I see this morning that the Spectator has increased their circulation to the point that they are taking on new staff and returning their furlough money. And all of these (including the Torygraph) are mouthpieces for Johnson and the Tories. The BBC is so obsessed with balance that last night, they had somebody on to 'balance' the message that wearing face masks in public was necessary to slow the spread of Covid-19.

    Who needs the internet when the main sources of 'news' are so biased and craven?

    They might be obsessed with balance in some regards but the BBC's political editor is also basically a mouthpiece for the Tory Party.


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,767 ✭✭✭✭molloyjh


    Put em under pressure!

    RIP Big Jack


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    molloyjh wrote: »
    Put em under pressure!

    RIP Big Jack

    https://vimeo.com/130414914


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,728 ✭✭✭Former Former


    prawnsambo wrote: »
    Ah here! Biggest selling newspaper in the UK is still the S*n. `Biggest circulation via all media is the Daily Fail. And I see this morning that the Spectator has increased their circulation to the point that they are taking on new staff and returning their furlough money. And all of these (including the Torygraph) are mouthpieces for Johnson and the Tories. The BBC is so obsessed with balance that last night, they had somebody on to 'balance' the message that wearing face masks in public was necessary to slow the spread of Covid-19.

    Who needs the internet when the main sources of 'news' are so biased and craven?

    This doesn't stack up. Daily circulation of newspapers has absolutely plummeted as undemocratic politicians have thrived and electorates have continued to press the self destruct button. The Sun, the Mail, the Express and the Telegraph have always been massively pro Tory, but they're far less read now than ever. But print media is and was always subject to rules on its content. The Internet is not.

    The BBC has to be balanced. That's its role. That's why it's more valuable than ever.

    It's the Internet. It's the collective dumbing down of society. People don't read newspapers any more. They read Twitter and they get into arguments on boards and they fall for fake news on WhatsApp. The reason Trump got elected, the reason Brexit happened, is that they understood how to reach voters and it's not newspapers.

    If you think it won't happen here, well, it already has.


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    This doesn't stack up. Daily circulation of newspapers has absolutely plummeted as undemocratic politicians have thrived and electorates have continued to press the self destruct button. The Sun, the Mail, the Express and the Telegraph have always been massively pro Tory, but they're far less read now than ever. But print media is and was always subject to rules on its content. The Internet is not.

    The BBC has to be balanced. That's its role. That's why it's more valuable than ever.

    It's the Internet. It's the collective dumbing down of society. People don't read newspapers any more. They read Twitter and they get into arguments on boards and they fall for fake news on WhatsApp. The reason Trump got elected, the reason Brexit happened, is that they understood how to reach voters and it's not newspapers.

    If you think it won't happen here, well, it already has.

    I think Social media in Ireland is definitely worse than our media - but the UK media is just so much more blatant and vicious with their partisanship that they've effectively robbed England of being able to have a viable opposition. It's staggering.

    From an Irish POV I think we need to make hard choices regarding social media before we start down the same path.

    I barely open facebook these days and I have kicked anyone that posts anything misleading about politics, vaccinations etc - but prior to that I couldn't get over how much misinformation there was and I can only imagine what it's like now.

    Even with a smaller friends list I was still seeing a mountain of anti Fine Gael and anti Fianna Fail content being pushed hard enough to make it onto my limited feed in the run up to the last election.

    I would hope before we've another election here that Facebook is forced to de-platform ANYTHING of a political nature. Politics can be moderated on a forum like this - but that kind of strictness needs to be applied to all major social media or the world is going to pull itself apart.

    Bad people are misusing sources of information to get bad people into positions of power so that bad people can benefit. That's all that is happening here and it needs to come to and end because the damage is real and widespread. Brexit is about to kick us all in the balls in December and if we allow it we'll do something equally as stupid in Ireland in due course.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,967 ✭✭✭Synode


    This doesn't stack up. Daily circulation of newspapers has absolutely plummeted as undemocratic politicians have thrived and electorates have continued to press the self destruct button. The Sun, the Mail, the Express and the Telegraph have always been massively pro Tory, but they're far less read now than ever. But print media is and was always subject to rules on its content. The Internet is not.

    The BBC has to be balanced. That's its role. That's why it's more valuable than ever.

    It's the Internet. It's the collective dumbing down of society. People don't read newspapers any more. They read Twitter and they get into arguments on boards and they fall for fake news on WhatsApp. The reason Trump got elected, the reason Brexit happened, is that they understood how to reach voters and it's not newspapers.

    If you think it won't happen here, well, it already has.

    The quality of the BBC's journalism has become a laughing stock since Brexit kicked off. Which is a sad thing to see


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    This doesn't stack up. Daily circulation of newspapers has absolutely plummeted as undemocratic politicians have thrived and electorates have continued to press the self destruct button. The Sun, the Mail, the Express and the Telegraph have always been massively pro Tory, but they're far less read now than ever. But print media is and was always subject to rules on its content. The Internet is not.

    The BBC has to be balanced. That's its role. That's why it's more valuable than ever.

    It's the Internet. It's the collective dumbing down of society. People don't read newspapers any more. They read Twitter and they get into arguments on boards and they fall for fake news on WhatsApp. The reason Trump got elected, the reason Brexit happened, is that they understood how to reach voters and it's not newspapers.

    If you think it won't happen here, well, it already has.

    Newspapers aren’t just sold in print any more!

    The Daily Mail under Dacre absolutely poisoned the minds of a generation by being the most effective implementers on their online platform at the perfect time


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,375 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    This doesn't stack up. Daily circulation of newspapers has absolutely plummeted as undemocratic politicians have thrived and electorates have continued to press the self destruct button. The Sun, the Mail, the Express and the Telegraph have always been massively pro Tory, but they're far less read now than ever. But print media is and was always subject to rules on its content. The Internet is not.

    The BBC has to be balanced. That's its role. That's why it's more valuable than ever.

    It's the Internet. It's the collective dumbing down of society. People don't read newspapers any more. They read Twitter and they get into arguments on boards and they fall for fake news on WhatsApp. The reason Trump got elected, the reason Brexit happened, is that they understood how to reach voters and it's not newspapers.

    If you think it won't happen here, well, it already has.
    Maybe you missed the part where I pointed to 'all media'? Circulation online for the print media is (in many cases) larger than print circulation.

    Yes, the internet (Facebook, Twitter etc.) can create an echo chamber for those not willing or able to fact check. But those echo chambers are fed by the likes of Fox News in the US or The Daily Fail in the UK. Almost all the stuff I see on Twitter comes from a so-called reputable source. They just feed the monster and get amplified exponentially.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,870 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    If anyone is staying at home to holiday this year because it's safer you might just want to stay at home.

    I came down to inch last night to join herself and the kids. Came down to the beach an hour ago and it is rammed. Hundreds of cars and easily over a thousand people on top of each other at the top of the beach. Cafe is jammed, ice cream van has a queue with zero social distancing and the sunbathers are on top of each other.

    If you drive 2 miles down the beach it's empty...barely a soul here.

    I've been coming here 6 years and I've never seen it this busy. My summer holiday ends today.


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,688 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    mfceiling wrote: »
    If anyone is staying at home to holiday this year because it's safer you might just want to stay at home.

    I came down to inch last night to join herself and the kids. Came down to the beach an hour ago and it is rammed. Hundreds of cars and easily over a thousand people on top of each other at the top of the beach. Cafe is jammed, ice cream van has a queue with zero social distancing and the sunbathers are on top of each other.

    If you drive 2 miles down the beach it's empty...barely a soul here.

    I've been coming here 6 years and I've never seen it this busy. My summer holiday ends today.
    I'm just not going on holiday full stop this year tbh

    I'm comfortable with my current routine and the places I go locally, dont need the stress of being somewhere i dont feel that way


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    Stheno wrote: »
    I'm just not going on holiday full stop this year tbh

    I'm comfortable with my current ro urine and the places I go locally, dont need the stress of being somewhere i dont feel that way

    Yeah, travelling during a pandemic is really taking the piss.


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  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,688 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Yeah, travelling during a pandemic is really taking the piss.

    Hee


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