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Champions Cup 2019/20

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    #212
    Richie_Rich89
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    Interesting suggestions by the French. The more the merrier, I say. Part of the romance and magic of a cup competition is seeing a small team knock off a big team, or a team struggling in the league putting a run together in the cup. The FA Cup and league's Challenge Cup have those ingredients.


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    #213
    connachta
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    Richie_Rich89 wrote: »
    Interesting suggestions by the French. The more the merrier, I say. Part of the romance and magic of a cup competition is seeing a small team knock off a big team, or a team struggling in the league putting a run together in the cup. The FA Cup and league's Challenge Cup have those ingredients.




    If it's Dragons, it won't happen, too far off the mark...


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    #214
    Buer
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    Richie_Rich89 wrote: »
    Interesting suggestions by the French. The more the merrier, I say. Part of the romance and magic of a cup competition is seeing a small team knock off a big team, or a team struggling in the league putting a run together in the cup. The FA Cup and league's Challenge Cup have those ingredients.

    Apparently Toulouse threatened legal action if the tournament went ahead with only 18 teams (thereby not including them) and the T14 rowed in behind.

    So now Connacht have infected Toulouse with their poison.


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    #215
    connachta
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    Buer wrote: »
    Apparently Toulouse threatened legal action if the tournament went ahead with only 18 teams (thereby not including them) and the T14 rowed in behind.

    So now Connacht have infected Toulouse with their poison.


    The other way round. would be deserved if...
    But just if for now, maybe Pro14 will choose 7th and 8th based on points (real level), or have play-off(s)
    And above all, not let Treviso have free points vs Zebre again, twice (inventing a 4th unscheduled game!:eek:)


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    #216
    Eod100
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    EPCR have put out fixtures for Challenge/Champions Cup:

    Quarter-finals: weekend of 18/19/20 September
    Semi-finals: weekend of 25/26/27 September
    Challenge Cup final: Friday, 16 October
    Heineken Champions Cup final: Saturday, 17 October
    Start of 2020/21 season: weekend of 11/12/13 December

    https://www.epcrugby.com/2020/06/25/new-epcr-dates-for-2019-20-announced/


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    #217
    PTH2009
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    Eod100 wrote: »
    Start of 2020/21 season: weekend of 11/12/13 December

    https://www.epcrugby.com/2020/06/25/new-epcr-dates-for-2019-20-announced/

    I'm guessing it will be 4 rounds before the six nations 2021 and then have R5/6 early April 2021 with the knockouts shortly after


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    #218
    Eod100
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    PTH2009 wrote: »
    I'm guessing it will be 4 rounds before the six nations 2021 and then have R5/6 early April 2021 with the knockouts shortly after

    Looks like they're thinking about sping the 8 pools of 3 teams for next season so guess it would be 4 rounds but hasn't been officially decided yet


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    #219
    BonnieSituation
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    The back to back weekends are one of my favourite times of the sporting year. It'll be cack if they're gone now.


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    #220
    Eod100
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    Champions and Challenge will be taking place somewhere else besides Marseille. Guess it's probably behind closed doors anyway? There's guaranteed to be at least 1 French team in semi. If no fans they could nearly have waited til after qfs or semis to decide. https://twitter.com/Mu...151886817665025?s=19


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    #221
    Former Former
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    https://www.epcrugby.com/2020/07/09/marseille-finals-moved-to-2021-new-venues-for-2020/

    Makes sense. I guess they'll figure out the venue for the final once the teams are known.


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    #222
    thomond2006
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    I went to two NFL games at Tottenham in 2019. It's an incredible stadium, I can't recommend it enough.

    https://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/the-stadium/
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGl4JmAoSdg


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    #223
    Eod100
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    Former Former wrote: »
    https://www.epcrugby.com/2020/07/09/marseille-finals-moved-to-2021-new-venues-for-2020/

    Makes sense. I guess they'll figure out the venue for the final once the teams are known.

    Seems like they're still planning on possibility of fans going but seems ambitious. Could be just seeing what teams are in to minimise travel for teams too.


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    #224
    Eod100
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    thomond2006 wrote: »
    I went to two NFL games at Tottenham in 2019. It's an incredible stadium, I can't recommend it enough.

    https://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/the-stadium/
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGl4JmAoSdg

    Yeah was planning on going next year but might be for best its pushed out another year


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    #225
    connachta
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    Deputy General Director of the competition :

    24 clubs in Champions Cup's a done deal

    we will know in 2 weeks if it's pools of 3, 12, 4, or 6 (all are still on the table)


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    #226
    errlloyd
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    Sorry what. Pools of 12?


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    #227
    connachta
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    Yeah 2 pools of 12, without meeting with same league clubs.
    Don't know how the draw will be produced to play 5 among 8 others...
    Maybe it may be 8 games then straight to SF..


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    #228
    awec
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    connachta wrote: »
    Yeah 2 pools of 12, without meeting with same league clubs.
    Don't know how the draw will be produced to play 5 among 8 others...

    A pool of 12, where you don't play every team in the pool?

    Good grief what sort of system is this.


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    #229
    connachta
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    awec wrote: »
    A pool of 12, where you don't play every team in the pool?

    Good grief what sort of system is this.


    I don't like it either
    I edited...


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    #230
    BonnieSituation
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    Anything other than 4 teams per group is a nonsense.


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    #231
    Eod100
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    connachta wrote: »
    Deputy General Director of the competition :

    24 clubs in Champions Cup's a done deal

    we will know in 2 weeks if it's pools of 3, 12, 4, or 6 (all are still on the table)

    Sounds like the lotto at this stage tbh


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    #232
    thomond2006
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    So there wasn't a conspiracy by the French clubs, English clubs, the IRFU and the Bilderberg Group to keep Connacht out of Europe? Glad that's resolved.


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    #233
    Former Former
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    awec wrote: »
    A pool of 12, where you don't play every team in the pool?

    Good grief what sort of system is this.

    The guy doesn't seem to have said anything like this btw.

    https://sport24.lefigaro.fr/rugby/coupes-d-europe2/actualites/vincent-gaillard-au-figaro-eviter-que-la-phase-finale-de-la-coupe-d-europe-se-dispute-a-huis-clos-1007402

    What he says is "le scénario à deux poules n’est pas le seul…" which technically translates as "the scenario with two pools isn't the only one" and I think the poster above took that to mean that there could be 2 pools of 12 teams in the Champions Cup.

    However, from the context, it looks like the two 'poules' in question are the Champions Cup and Challenge Cup.

    So how I read it is that with 24 teams in the Champions Cup, there might be no point running the Challenge Cup.


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    #234
    awec
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    Former Former wrote: »
    The guy doesn't seem to have said anything like this btw.

    https://sport24.lefigaro.fr/rugby/coupes-d-europe2/actualites/vincent-gaillard-au-figaro-eviter-que-la-phase-finale-de-la-coupe-d-europe-se-dispute-a-huis-clos-1007402

    What he says is "le scénario à deux poules n’est pas le seul…" which technically translates as "the scenario with two pools isn't the only one" and I think the poster above took that to mean that there could be 2 pools of 12 teams in the Champions Cup.

    However, from the context, it looks like the two 'poules' in question are the Champions Cup and Challenge Cup.

    So how I read it is that with 24 teams in the Champions Cup, there might be no point running the Challenge Cup.

    This makes a lot more sense! Your expertise in French is appreciated.


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    #235
    connachta
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    Former Former wrote: »
    The guy doesn't seem to have said anything like this btw.

    https://sport24.lefigaro.fr/rugby/coupes-d-europe2/actualites/vincent-gaillard-au-figaro-eviter-que-la-phase-finale-de-la-coupe-d-europe-se-dispute-a-huis-clos-1007402

    What he says is "le scénario à deux poules n’est pas le seul…" which technically translates as "the scenario with two pools isn't the only one" and I think the poster above took that to mean that there could be 2 pools of 12 teams in the Champions Cup.

    However, from the context, it looks like the two 'poules' in question are the Champions Cup and Challenge Cup.

    So how I read it is that with 24 teams in the Champions Cup, there might be no point running the Challenge Cup.




    No. I can assure you it's not the sense of it


    It's 2 pools of 12 in the Champions Cup

    Le scénario à deux poules n’est pas le seul…» Des formules à 3, 4 ou 6 poules sont également à l’étude. Une certitude en revanche, le format à 24 équipes ne durera qu’une saison

    Which means all this scenarii are about Champions Cup only


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    #236
    Former Former
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    connachta wrote: »
    No. I can assure you it's not the sense of it


    It's 2 pools of 12 in the Champions Cup

    Le scénario à deux poules n’est pas le seul…» Des formules à 3, 4 ou 6 poules sont également à l’étude. Une certitude en revanche, le format à 24 équipes ne durera qu’une saison

    Which means all this scenarii are about Champions Cup only

    It would really help if you would link to your article so we could see where this is coming from because that quote about 3, 4 or 6 is not from the interview I linked.


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    #237
    connachta
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    You can trust me about this one

    Here you are

    https://sport24.lefigaro.fr/rugby/coupes-d-europe2/fil-info/champions-cup-le-format-a-deux-poules-pas-encore-enterine-1007411


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    #238
    Squidgy Black
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    connachta wrote: »
    You can trust me about this one

    Here you are

    https://sport24.lefigaro.fr/rugby/coupes-d-europe2/fil-info/champions-cup-le-format-a-deux-poules-pas-encore-enterine-1007411

    That's just a journo's interpretation/altered summary of the actual interview with Vincent Gaillard. He links to the actual interview in the same post.


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    #239
    connachta
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    Squidgy Black wrote: »
    That's just a journo's interpretation/altered summary of the actual interview with Vincent Gaillard. He links to the actual interview in the same post.




    2 pools of 12 is about Champions Cup, Challenge Cup is not in relation with it. That's clear, 100% sure. It's one of the scenarii since May



    https://www.lerugbynistere.fr/news/une-coupe-deurope-a-deux-poules-de-12-bientot-validee-1405201504.php


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    #240
    Burkie1203
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    Squidgy Black wrote: »
    That's just a journo's interpretation/altered summary of the actual interview with Vincent Gaillard. He links to the actual interview in the same post.

    There is murmurs of this 2 pools of 12 lark doing the rounds on social media.

    8 pool matches would be kamikaze stuff.

    If Cheetahs and Kings are unable to take part in pro14 which is a possibility, reverting to Pro12 increases the number of matches if they go to a straight forward home and away by 1, so they have to then do away with the QF and go straight to SF


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    #241
    Cookiemunster
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    Burkie1203 wrote: »
    There is murmurs of this 2 pools of 12 lark doing the rounds on social media.

    8 pool matches would be kamikaze stuff.

    If Cheetahs and Kings are unable to take part in pro14 which is a possibility, reverting to Pro12 increases the number of matches if they go to a straight forward home and away by 1, so they have to then do away with the QF and go straight to SF

    While I agree that two pools of 12 would be madness, any Pro12 could be played along the current format reducing the regular season to 18 rounds and freeing up more weekends.


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