How relevant to you is the controversy over feminism?

Middle Man · 01-09-2017 8:57pm #1

Additional Poll: How relevant to you is the controversy over feminism?

In my other poll, a serious flaw has arisen and such is the exclusion of a vote option pertaining to those who have no real interest in the subject of feminism. This secondary poll is intended to not only address the above issue, but also to give a collective insight into how much effect the issue of feminism has had upon voters here. With such information, it is hoped that the original polling data will be more sound when set against a reasonable contextual background constructed by this secondary poll. Do bear in mind that some women will probably be voting here too, but they must understand that they’re voting on the issue of feminism only and not misogyny.

Regards,
Middle Man

Middle Man · 01-09-2017 9:04pm

Apologies, but something went wrong with the punctuation in the poll options list - the apostrophes didn't code correctly in the system for some reason.

'Iâ€™ve' should be taken as 'I've'.

iptba · 01-09-2017 9:53pm

Middle Man wrote: »

Apologies, but something went wrong with the punctuation in the poll options list - the apostrophes didn't code correctly in the system for some reason.

'I’ve' should be taken as 'I've'.

Small correction:
The following should say "effect" not "affect":

has no real affect on me

Middle Man · 01-09-2017 10:03pm

iptba wrote: »

Small correction:
The following should say "effect" not "affect":

That's one that can catch people easily - I thought 'effect' was solely used in the context of visual art and display and that 'affect' meant 'consequential difference/change' as both a verb and a noun. Just looked it up and no, affect is not used in the form of a noun - it is indeed 'effect'.

What's really annoying though is that I can't go back and change it - we all make mistakes, but it really plays on me when I can't go back and correct them.

tigger123 · 01-09-2017 11:26pm

Which / what controversy about feminism are you referring to?

Middle Man · 02-09-2017 11:10pm

tigger123 wrote: »

Which / what controversy about feminism are you referring to?

The issue of misandry among frontline feminists.

03-09-2017 12:27pm

Do you not think the results, garnered in a Mens forum that discusses negative aspects of feminism on an ongoing basis, will be somewhat biased?

Middle Man · 03-09-2017 2:14pm

Candie wrote: »

Do you not think the results, garnered in a Mens forum that discusses negative aspects of feminism on an ongoing basis, will be somewhat biased?

If the results were to be presented as representative of all men in society, then such would be dishonest. However, I'm not running these polls on a broad cross section of society - I just want to know how we as a whole on this forum view feminism regarding its impact on society. The main benefit will be the availability of data for individual posters regarding viewpoints on feminism. I may at some future point run a poll on a more general forum.

Divelment · 03-09-2017 2:25pm

Middle Man wrote: »

If the results were to be presented as representative of all men in society, then such would be dishonest. However, I'm not running these polls on a broad cross section of society - I just want to know how we as a whole on this forum view feminism regarding its impact on society. The main benefit will be the availability of data for individual posters regarding viewpoints on feminism. I may at some future point run a poll on a more general forum.

Someone has way too much time on their hands. What controversy is running at the moment that concerns the topic of feminism? This thread sounds like one of those silly wind up merchant threads on here that gets started from time to time, usually by someone who is clearly at the student politics phase of their life.

03-09-2017 4:01pm

Middle Man wrote: »

If the results were to be presented as representative of all men in society, then such would be dishonest. However, I'm not running these polls on a broad cross section of society - I just want to know how we as a whole on this forum view feminism regarding its impact on society. The main benefit will be the availability of data for individual posters regarding viewpoints on feminism. I may at some future point run a poll on a more general forum.

It's still a self selecting sample. By definition it's those that have stronger feelings about feminism that will be likely to vote, those for whom it poses no concern and who care nothing or little, won't be interested enough to vote. More likely to be the case on a general forum too, I'd imagine.

With that in mind, the results are likely to have little real meaning.

super_furry · 03-09-2017 4:02pm

Where's the 'Not at all?' or 'What controversy outside of a handful of internet forums'? option. It's a pointless poll, obviously skewed to get a certain result the OP wants.

Middle Man · 03-09-2017 4:14pm

Candie wrote: »

It's still a self selecting sample. By definition it's those that have stronger feelings about feminism that will be likely to vote, those for whom it poses no concern and who care nothing or little, won't be interested enough to vote. More likely to be the case on a general forum too, I'd imagine.

With that in mind, the results are likely to have little real meaning.

Looking at your posts, it's quite clear that you're female and perhaps a little uncomfortable with the emerging voting trends? You are entitled to air your opinions and even vote, but what you're not entitled to do is come here and try and undermine the work I'm doing just because you don't like the results.

super_furry · 03-09-2017 4:17pm

super_furry wrote: »

Where's the 'Not at all?' or 'What controversy outside of a handful of internet forums'? option. It's a pointless poll, obviously skewed to get a certain result the OP wants.

Middle Man wrote: »

Looking at your posts, it's quite clear that you're female and perhaps a little uncomfortable with the emerging voting trends? You are entitled to air your opinions and even vote, but what you're not entitled to do is come here and try and undermine the work I'm doing just because you don't like the results.

I rest my case.

03-09-2017 4:20pm

That's a ridiculous thing to say. I'm simply pointing out an obvious flaw.

Your 'work' is undermined by your methodology, not by me.

Middle Man · 03-09-2017 4:27pm

super_furry wrote: »

I rest my case.

Now, I think the main poll regarding perception of feminism in Ireland is quite fair for those who are interested - there's a clear option for those who think feminism is fair and balanced. I did acknowledge that I overlooked the provision of an option for those who weren't really interested and that I have made quite clear - such is why the poll on this thread has been established. Just because you don't agree with the result doesn't mean that you have the right to dismiss me as a polling fraudster - in such a case, the mods would probably have these polls shut down very quickly.

super_furry · 03-09-2017 4:31pm

Middle Man wrote: »

Now, I think the main poll regarding perception of feminism in Ireland is quite fair for those who are interested - there's a clear option for those who think feminism is fair and balanced. I did acknowledge that I overlooked the provision of an option for those who weren't really interested and that I have made quite clear - such is why the poll on this thread has been established. Just because you don't agree with the result doesn't mean that you have the right to dismiss me as a polling fraudster - in such a case, the mods would probably have these polls shut down very quickly.

I'm intrigued. What do you think the result is?

Divelment · 03-09-2017 4:33pm

I voted rogue, just for the laugh!

:D:D

Middle Man · 03-09-2017 4:36pm

super_furry wrote: »

I'm intrigued. What do you think the result is?

'emerging result' is what I meant.

Regarding what I think the result will be, I won't be able to say much until the beginning of next month at which time both polls will be closed.

03-09-2017 4:38pm

Middle Man wrote: »

'emerging result' is what I meant.

Regarding what I think the result will be, I won't be able to say much until the beginning of next month at which time both polls will be closed.

Regardless of how long it's open, the result is meaningless due to the self-selection bias.

super_furry · 03-09-2017 4:39pm

Middle Man wrote: »

'emerging result' is what I meant.

Regarding what I think the result will be, I won't be able to say much until the beginning of next month at which time both polls will be closed.

Right....because right now the poll says that 77.22% of people are "Not greatly affected", "Not very concerned" and "Neither concerned nor interested" by "the controversy over feminism."

Not only is it totally irrelevant as a poll because of the selection bias, it's so appalling worded that there will never be any meaningful result.

03-09-2017 4:42pm

If the OP is concerned with only eliciting male voters, having the poll anonymous is another mistake.

Middle Man · 03-09-2017 4:42pm

Candie wrote: »

Regardless of how long it's open, the result is meaningless due to the self-selection bias.

The question is:

If the eventual result is so meaningless, why do you seem so concerned?

03-09-2017 4:45pm

Middle Man wrote: »

The question is:

If the eventual result is so meaningless, why do you seem so concerned?

I don't care, particularly. You seem to have a problem with me contributing to the thread though.

Foolishly I thought you'd be interested in accurate results and thought you'd appreciate being shown the flaw in the methodology, but it doesn't appear to be important to you.

Jawgap · 03-09-2017 4:45pm

Middle Man wrote: »

The issue of misandry among frontline feminists.

How is this a controversy?

Some people have some views, that's a controversy?

Middle Man · 03-09-2017 4:50pm

Candie wrote: »

I don't care, particularly. You seem to have a problem with me contributing to the thread though.

Foolishly I thought you'd be interested in accurate results and thought you'd appreciate being shown the flaw in the methodology, but it doesn't appear to be important to you.

No, if you contributed positively instead of rubbishing my work with words like 'meaningless', I would take a different approach to your posts.

Middle Man · 03-09-2017 4:53pm

Candie wrote: »

If the OP is concerned with only eliciting male voters, having the poll anonymous is another mistake.

Perhaps, you're right because it's quite interesting looking at the surge in this poll for:

5. Neither concerned nor interested - has no real affect on me

During a very quiet weekend on the voting front, I find it rather amazing!

03-09-2017 4:54pm

Your results will be meaningless, I made no judgement on the value of what you're trying to ascertain.

If you were that invested, you'd try to do it properly instead of trying to prevent flaws being pointed out or questions asked, or implying people are only pointing out the blazingly, blatantly, blindingly obvious because of their gender.

If I were conducting a poll, I'd strive to hold one where I'd be confident of the accuracy of the results.

Middle Man · 03-09-2017 4:58pm

Candie wrote: »

Your results will be meaningless, I made no judgement on the value of what you're trying to ascertain.

If you were that invested, you'd try to do it properly instead of trying to prevent flaws being pointed out or questions asked, or implying people are only pointing out the blazingly, blatantly, blindingly obvious because of their gender.

If I were conducting a poll, I'd strive to hold one where I'd be confident of the accuracy of the results.

Did you bother to look at all the posts in the two threads containing the polls??? Did you bother to look into my responses therein for the last two days? More importantly, are you saying (in your last few posts) that the men here are stupid and not able to think for themselves???

03-09-2017 5:05pm

Middle Man wrote: »

Perhaps, you're right because it's quite interesting looking at the surge in this poll for:

5. Neither concerned nor interested - has no real affect on me

During a very quiet weekend on the voting front, I find it rather amazing!

So you're no longer confident in the integrity of your poll because it's not showing a response you expected?

Middle Man wrote: »

Did you bother to look at all the posts in the two threads containing the polls??? Did you bother to look into my responses therein for the last two days? More importantly, are you saying (in your last few posts) that the men here are stupid and not able to think for themselves???

You are pulling that from thin air. I neither said nor implied any such thing.

You're pettifogging the issue I brought up by trying to paint me as trying to sabotage your poll, but it's been sabotaged from the get-go by an number of issues, none of which have anything to do with me.

I'm only addressing the flaws inherent to the poll on this thread. Nothing else. I have literally zero interest in anything you have to say personally.

Middle Man · 03-09-2017 5:13pm

Candie wrote: »

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You are pulling that from thin air. I neither said nor implied any such thing.

You're pettifogging the issue I brought up by trying to paint me as trying to sabotage your poll, but it's been sabotaged from the get-go by an number of issues, none of which have anything to do with me.

I'm only addressing the flaws inherent to the poll on this thread. Nothing else. I have literally zero interest in anything you have to say personally.

You said earlier that I'm not interested in any advice regarding improvements in polling methodology - yet there's clear evidence to the contrary in my responses to constructive observations over the last couple of days. Also, if it doesn't really matter to you (either me or the content in the polls I'm conducting), then why are you still here posting - is that not rather contradictory?

RayM · 03-09-2017 9:25pm

Middle Man wrote: »

The issue of misandry among frontline feminists.

"Misandry" doesn't bother me because it's not really a thing.

Middle Man · 03-09-2017 10:29pm

RayM wrote: »

"Misandry" doesn't bother me because it's not really a thing.

Well, I agree to differ on that one - misandry is very much real in the media and in advertising.

Middle Man · 04-09-2017 3:28pm

Reminder regarding the purpose of this poll - below is the original post:

Additional Poll: How relevant to you is the controversy over feminism?

In my other poll, a serious flaw has arisen and such is the exclusion of a vote option pertaining to those who have no real interest in the subject of feminism. This secondary poll is intended to not only address the above issue, but also to give a collective insight into how much effect the issue of feminism has had upon voters here. With such information, it is hoped that the original polling data will be more sound when set against a reasonable contextual background constructed by this secondary poll. Do bear in mind that some women will probably be voting here too, but they must understand that they’re voting on the issue of feminism only and not misogyny.

Regards,
Middle Man

jimgoose · 04-09-2017 4:27pm

jimgoose · 04-09-2017 4:37pm

Middle Man wrote: »

You said earlier that I'm not interested in any advice regarding improvements in polling methodology - yet there's clear evidence to the contrary in my responses to constructive observations over the last couple of days. Also, if it doesn't really matter to you (either me or the content in the polls I'm conducting), then why are you still here posting - is that not rather contradictory?

It seems to me that what you're not interested in is constructive criticism from women, including highly intelligent, educated women who actually have something useful to tell you.

Middle Man · 04-09-2017 4:48pm

jimgoose wrote: »

It seems to me that what you're not interested in is constructive criticism from women, including highly intelligent, educated women who actually have something useful to tell you.

Constructive? Look who's talking! :rolleyes:

Your last post seems to liken me to the alt-right in the US - yeah, that's real mature and constructive! :rolleyes:

jimgoose · 04-09-2017 4:50pm

Middle Man wrote: »

Constructive? Look who's talking! :rolleyes:

Your last post seems to liken me to the alt-right in the US - yeah, that's real mature and constructive! :rolleyes:

Well there's strawmanning, and then there's taking the express trebuchet to La-La Land. I bid you good evening, and happy researching! :pac::pac::pac:

Middle Man · 04-09-2017 4:53pm

jimgoose wrote: »

Well there's strawmanning, and then there's taking the express trebuchet to La-La Land. I bid you good evening, and happy researching! :pac::pac::pac:

You really need to grow up!

jimgoose · 04-09-2017 4:56pm

Middle Man wrote: »

You really need to grow up!

I'm not the one conducting Serious Research(TM) into Segway-riding Californian twit college-campus horseshit.

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Middle Man · 04-09-2017 8:13pm

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OK, why don't you come up with a 'meaningful' poll - there's nothing stopping you!

Middle Man · 04-09-2017 8:15pm

jimgoose wrote: »

I'm not the one conducting Serious Research(TM) into Segway-riding Californian twit college-campus horseshit.

...and I'm not the one that's slinging mud - really, why are people so childish???

BTW, you'd do very well to remember what country is propping up this economy - I agree that not everything is right in the US, but before you slag any part of that country off, you might consider where Ireland would be without the US - I say that as an Irish person!

Middle Man · 04-09-2017 8:24pm

Permabear wrote: »

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It's nice to see a mature honest answer for a change!

jimgoose · 04-09-2017 9:32pm

Middle Man wrote: »

...and I'm not the one that's slinging mud - really, why are people so childish???

BTW, you'd do very well to remember what country is propping up this economy - I agree that not everything is right in the US, but before you slag any part of that country off, you might consider where Ireland would be without the US - I say that as an Irish person!

I've been all over the World many times, I've been working for and with the Yanks for thirty years. Like Nathan R. Jessop, I've earned it.

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Middle Man · 05-09-2017 11:53am

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The earlier posters who had reservations about the first poll came up with constructive ideas regarding improvements that could be made to the polling methodology - those I have respect for. People who just sling mud and fail to at least demonstrate possible improvements are worthy of no respect. Far too many Irish people take the easy option of dismissing something without contributing anything meaningful.

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Middle Man · 05-09-2017 12:23pm

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She said it was biased because it was being conducted on a male forum. I said that the results were for use within, or in the context of, this forum. She basically went on to say that the results would still be meaningless.

Middle Man · 05-09-2017 12:26pm

Candie wrote: »

Do you not think the results, garnered in a Mens forum that discusses negative aspects of feminism on an ongoing basis, will be somewhat biased?

Middle Man wrote: »

If the results were to be presented as representative of all men in society, then such would be dishonest. However, I'm not running these polls on a broad cross section of society - I just want to know how we as a whole on this forum view feminism regarding its impact on society. The main benefit will be the availability of data for individual posters regarding viewpoints on feminism. I may at some future point run a poll on a more general forum.

Candie wrote: »

It's still a self selecting sample. By definition it's those that have stronger feelings about feminism that will be likely to vote, those for whom it poses no concern and who care nothing or little, won't be interested enough to vote. More likely to be the case on a general forum too, I'd imagine.

With that in mind, the results are likely to have little real meaning.

Here are the posts in question!

Of course, I did put in an option on this poll for those who have no interest and I've also clearly stated that such would be summed in with the primary poll for the final results. Now, do some people not understand plain english?

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