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The Healy Raes

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    #1502
    SlowMotion321
    Registered Users Posts: 415 ✭✭SlowMotion321


    Edgware wrote: »
    The pair got 25000 No 1s out of a 78000 poll. Not a bad hard core. Although Danny was about 7000 behind the "smarter" brother. They also "deliver" for their constituents and indeed are known to represent people outside Kerry who are getting nowhere with their own T.D.s

    Indeed! The family motto being "If the cash is there, we do not care!"


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    #1503
    SlowBlowin
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    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    People don’t understand what a TD is and what a councillor is. They vote in Healy Rae based on work a councillor should be doing

    Ignorance of the Irish political system is the biggest issue

    100% Agree with what you said, some people are ignorant of the local work all TDs do.

    Heres the official line from https://www.citizensinformation.ie/ :

    The work of a TD locally
    TDs have both national and local roles. As your local representative, a TD can ask questions in the Dáil or raise issues that are important to you or your local area. Most TDs have constituency clinics, where you can meet them and discuss issues that might then be raised in the Dáil or in PQs.

    Some people think that just because a TD does a great job locally, they are somehow bad !


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    #1504
    Shefwedfan
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    SlowBlowin wrote: »
    100% Agree with what you said, some people are ignorant of the local work all TDs do.

    Heres the official line from https://www.citizensinformation.ie/ :

    The work of a TD locally
    TDs have both national and local roles. As your local representative, a TD can ask questions in the Dáil or raise issues that are important to you or your local area. Most TDs have constituency clinics, where you can meet them and discuss issues that might then be raised in the Dáil or in PQs.

    Some people think that just because a TD does a great job locally, they are somehow bad !

    So health care is not important in your area?

    Drinking pints in middle of day is?

    They do a councillors job locally, what exactly are the local Healy Rae councillors doing?


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    #1505
    jetsonx
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    SlowBlowin wrote: »

    Some people think that just because a TD does a great job locally, they are somehow bad !


    Exactly. The truth of the matter here is that very very few people in "normal jobs" would take on the work the Healy Raes have taken on and complete it successfully. People may complain that it's parish pump politics but their is their job. The Healy Raes never let on to be anything else. There is a certain honesty to that.

    The Healy Raes are just easy targets because of their high-visibility. As politicians go, there is a lot worse out there. I guarantee you.


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    #1506
    SlowBlowin
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    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    So health care is not important in your area?

    Come on.... even you know how committed HR is to healthcare.

    Reminds me of the Monty Python, what have the Romans done for us ? Ohh he campaigns at a national level for increases in beds etc, ohh and he lays on buses for his constituents (and others) to get treatment... But apart for the national campaigning, and the private buses, what has he done ?


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    #1507
    SlowMotion321
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    SlowBlowin wrote: »

    ^^^^^Are we related?


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    #1508
    boardise
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    jetsonx wrote: »
    Exactly. The truth of the matter here is that very very few people in "normal jobs" would take on the work the Healy Raes have taken on and complete it successfully. People may complain that it's parish pump politics but their is their job. The Healy Raes never let on to be anything else. There is a certain honesty to that.

    The Healy Raes are just easy targets because of their high-visibility. As politicians go, there is a lot worse out there. I guarantee you.

    Hype Raes indeed.


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    #1509
    TaurenDruid
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    SlowBlowin wrote: »
    Come on.... even you know how committed HR is to healthcare.

    Reminds me of the Monty Python, what have the Romans done for us ? Ohh he campaigns at a national level for increases in beds etc, ohh and he lays on buses for his constituents (and others) to get treatment... But apart for the national campaigning, and the private buses, what has he done ?

    The difference being, in the Monty Python sketch, the sanitation, medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, fresh-water system, and public health are all absent and get provided by the Romans.

    The Healy-Raes lay on private buses for treatment that's already available to everyone.

    If they genuinely gave a **** about their constituents instead of just their votes, they might actually be up in the Dáil, asking why it is that their constituents need to go to Norn' Iron for treatment, while Norn' Iron citizens come down here for the same treatment.

    But if that all got sorted, they'd lose clients, so...

    I wonder will Brexit feck that up for them?


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    #1510
    Edgware
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    As a matter of interest they are not the Healy Raes. They are the Healys Rae


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    #1511
    SlowBlowin
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    TaurenDruid wrote: »
    The difference being, in the Monty Python sketch, the sanitation, medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, fresh-water system, and public health are all absent and get provided by the Romans.

    The Healy-Raes lay on private buses for treatment that's already available to everyone.

    If they genuinely gave a **** about their constituents instead of just their votes, they might actually be up in the Dáil, asking why it is that their constituents need to go to Norn' Iron for treatment, while Norn' Iron citizens come down here for the same treatment.

    But if that all got sorted, they'd lose clients, so...

    I wonder will Brexit feck that up for them?

    Interesting read for you:

    https://www.medicalindependent.ie/putting-the-politics-into-health/


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    #1512
    Rows Grower
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    SlowBlowin wrote: »
    Interesting read for you:

    https://www.medicalindependent.ie/putting-the-politics-into-health/

    What a knock out!

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



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    #1513
    TaurenDruid
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    SlowBlowin wrote: »
    Interesting read for you:

    https://www.medicalindependent.ie/putting-the-politics-into-health/

    Yeah. "It's grand, I can skip the queue, sure I know a TD." You do know this isn't a good thing? All the people they Healy-Raes skip get their own wait extended, like?

    And the time and effort wasted answering those PQs takes up resources, too...


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    #1514
    TaurenDruid
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    Rows Grower wrote: »
    What a knock out!

    "We have facilities here in our hospitals and they are operating for four, five, six hours a day. Operate the damn things for 10, 12 hours a day. Why should we be giving money to a hospital in the north — and I am appreciative of what they do — when we could do them here… our archaic system of operating dictates that it is like we are in slow motion.”

    Well, Michael, that'd be because they cost money to operate, but we're paying admin staff to answer PQs instead of surgeons and theatre nurses...


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    #1515
    SlowBlowin
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    TaurenDruid wrote: »
    Yeah. "It's grand, I can skip the queue, sure I know a TD." You do know this isn't a good thing? All the people they Healy-Raes skip get their own wait extended, like?

    This has been discussed before in this thread, no queue skipping, as you said your very self, its something they are entitled to.
    TaurenDruid wrote: »
    And the time and effort wasted answering those PQs takes up resources, too...

    You do remember you post earlier saying they didn't ask enough questions, which is it - not enough or too many ??


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    #1516
    SlowBlowin
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    TaurenDruid wrote: »
    "We have facilities here in our hospitals and they are operating for four, five, six hours a day. Operate the damn things for 10, 12 hours a day. Why should we be giving money to a hospital in the north — and I am appreciative of what they do — when we could do them here… our archaic system of operating dictates that it is like we are in slow motion.”

    Well, Michael, that'd be because they cost money to operate, but we're paying admin staff to answer PQs instead of surgeons and theatre nurses...

    How on earth do you have the balls to say that when you said this earlier ?

    "If they genuinely gave a **** about their constituents instead of just their votes, they might actually be up in the Dáil, asking why it is that their constituents need to go to Norn' Iron for treatment, while Norn' Iron citizens come down here for the same treatment."

    You cant debate logically when you make a 180 degree turn in your argument like that, its so random..


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    #1517
    Rows Grower
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    TaurenDruid wrote: »
    "We have facilities here in our hospitals and they are operating for four, five, six hours a day. Operate the damn things for 10, 12 hours a day. Why should we be giving money to a hospital in the north — and I am appreciative of what they do — when we could do them here… our archaic system of operating dictates that it is like we are in slow motion.”

    Well, Michael, that'd be because they cost money to operate, but we're paying admin staff to answer PQs instead of surgeons and theatre nurses...

    You're out of your depth here lad, you thought you had nothing to do but play to the crowd by making a few smart comments and you got your ass handed to you on a plate.

    Toddle on.

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



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    #1518
    Shefwedfan
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    Rows Grower wrote: »
    What a knock out!

    How is that a knock out?

    He is playing to the crowd

    Instead of bumping one person up the list they should be helping fix the entire HSE, fact is they are not. They are part of the problem. Draining tax money into their own pockets and not helping at all with critical issues in Ireland

    Only a Healy Rae supporter would think that Bs is a knock out.... f**king waste of spaces the pair of them in Dail


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    #1519
    jetsonx
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    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    How is that a knock out?


    Instead of bumping one person up the list they should be helping fix the entire HSE, fact is they are not. They are part of the problem. Draining tax money into their own pockets and not helping at all with critical issues in Ireland

    But that's like saying the General Manager of McDonalds in Ireland should be helping sort out the issues of McDonalds Inc Worldwide. He / she is not because it's not their job. Their job is look after the territory in Ireland. In the same way, the Healy Rae clan are looking after their territory in Kerry.


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    #1520
    SlowBlowin
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    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    How is that a knock out?

    He is playing to the crowd

    Instead of bumping one person up the list they should be helping fix the entire HSE, fact is they are not. They are part of the problem. Draining tax money into their own pockets and not helping at all with critical issues in Ireland

    Only a Healy Rae supporter would think that Bs is a knock out.... f**king waste of spaces the pair of them in Dail

    Trouble is you wont listen or indeed read, both of which I would have thought were a prerequisite for your degree ?

    The comment "Hes playing to the crowd" is such a cop out, so you can dismiss anything he says of indeed does.

    Hes not bumping anyone up, this was discussed before, hes helping people get treatment.

    How is he not questioning the HSE when hes asked more questions of the health minster than any other TD ?

    I dont think your mind can be changed by any combination of facts and logic, you dismiss both.


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    #1521
    Rows Grower
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    All politics is local.

    That's something that Mehall and Leo learned at the last election when they barely scraped in on the 5th and 6th count.

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



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    #1522
    TaurenDruid
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    SlowBlowin wrote: »
    How on earth do you have the balls to say that when you said this earlier ?

    "If they genuinely gave a **** about their constituents instead of just their votes, they might actually be up in the Dáil, asking why it is that their constituents need to go to Norn' Iron for treatment, while Norn' Iron citizens come down here for the same treatment."

    You cant debate logically when you make a 180 degree turn in your argument like that, its so random..

    I don't want to get personal. But reading comprehension might not be your strong point.

    There's a world of difference between "To ask the Minister why X hospital only carried out Y operations of Z type last year, can the number be increased, what barriers there might be to such an increase, can they be addressed if Sláintecare was fully implemented, and if he will make a statement on the matter." and "To ask the Minister if he is aware of the case of person X [details supplied] who is waiting on operation Y and can their operation be expedited, because they're suffering far more than every single other person on the list, I've checked, and the clinicians are obviously wrong, I know this because I'm a business owner."


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    #1523
    Shefwedfan
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    SlowBlowin wrote: »
    Trouble is you wont listen or indeed read, both of which I would have thought were a prerequisite for your degree ?

    The comment "Hes playing to the crowd" is such a cop out, so you can dismiss anything he says of indeed does.

    Hes not bumping anyone up, this was discussed before, hes helping people get treatment.

    How is he not questioning the HSE when hes asked more questions of the health minster than any other TD ?

    I dont think your mind can be changed by any combination of facts and logic, you dismiss both.

    What have the Healy Rae family done in all the years they have been voted in to resolve the HSE or any issue?


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    #1524
    TaurenDruid
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    jetsonx wrote: »
    But that's like saying the General Manager of McDonalds in Ireland should be helping sort out the issues of McDonalds Inc Worldwide. He / she is not because it's not their job. Their job is look after the territory in Ireland. In the same way, the Healy Rae clan are looking after their territory in Kerry.

    Looking after "their territory"? They're not supposed to be feudal lords. I mean, they obviously think they are, and are treated as such by their constituents, who are only delighted to receive the largesse that falls form their lords' tables.

    But if we're talking about "their territory in Kerry", that's the job of county councillors, the vast majority of the time, except every so often when a huge national plan such as the spatial strategy or Climate Action Plan is developed. Although Danny doesn't believe in climate change, so may be behind the curve there...


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    #1525
    Shefwedfan
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    I glad everyone is so happy to vote in a TD to do f**k all ....then go around every other thread complaining about every other political party....if you want to waste your vote, no problem but then you shouldn’t be complaining about any party trying to fix those issues.


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    #1526
    SlowBlowin
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    TaurenDruid wrote: »
    I don't want to get personal. But reading comprehension might not be your strong point.

    There's a world of difference between "To ask the Minister why X hospital only carried out Y operations of Z type last year, can the number be increased, what barriers there might be to such an increase, can they be addressed if Sláintecare was fully implemented, and if he will make a statement on the matter." and "To ask the Minister if he is aware of the case of person X [details supplied] who is waiting on operation Y and can their operation be expedited, because they're suffering far more than every single other person on the list, I've checked, and the clinicians are obviously wrong, I know this because I'm a business owner."

    Only in your mind, think about it a bit more.


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    #1527
    SlowBlowin
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    TaurenDruid wrote: »
    Looking after "their territory"? They're not supposed to be feudal lords. I mean, they obviously think they are, and are treated as such by their constituents, who are only delighted to receive the largesse that falls form their lords' tables.

    But if we're talking about "their territory in Kerry", that's the job of county councillors, the vast majority of the time, except every so often when a huge national plan such as the spatial strategy or Climate Action Plan is developed. Although Danny doesn't believe in climate change, so may be behind the curve there...

    Very immature line of argument, picking on the use of the word territory.


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    #1528
    Shefwedfan
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    Rows Grower wrote: »
    All politics is local.

    That's something that Mehall and Leo learned at the last election when they barely scraped in on the 5th and 6th count.

    Still done more in a day for Ireland than the Healy Rae have down in how many years


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    #1529
    SlowBlowin
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    TaurenDruid wrote: »
    I don't want to get personal. But reading comprehension might not be your strong point.

    There's a world of difference between "To ask the Minister why X hospital only carried out Y operations of Z type last year, can the number be increased, what barriers there might be to such an increase, can they be addressed if Sláintecare was fully implemented, and if he will make a statement on the matter." and "To ask the Minister if he is aware of the case of person X [details supplied] who is waiting on operation Y and can their operation be expedited, because they're suffering far more than every single other person on the list, I've checked, and the clinicians are obviously wrong, I know this because I'm a business owner."

    Look, you talked rubbish, and you were proved wrong, now you decide to get personal (your words), very immature behaviour. Its not a playground grow up.


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    #1530
    Edgware
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    Rows Grower wrote: »
    All politics is local.

    That's something that Mehall and Leo learned at the last election when they barely scraped in on the 5th and 6th count.

    20000 votes for Martin and his colleague is hardly scraping in and delivered 2 seats and ultimately Taoiseach. The fishwife refused to have a running mate in case she lost the poll topper headline


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    #1531
    Rows Grower
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    Poor ol' tauren and sheffield furiously trying to make a case that they are right and everyone who believes the Healy Rae's are good politicians are Wrong, wrong, wrong!

    They're like two blind men trying to do a radio commentary on a horse race, not a clue between them.

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



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