This week's EV bargain that I'm not buying

brembo26 · 31-01-2017 8:03pm

k123456 wrote: »

Surely there is a pan European warranty

There is, there shouldnt be any issue whatsoever.

cros13 · 31-01-2017 8:04pm

k123456 wrote: »

Surely there is a pan European warranty

Supposed to be. I haven't heard of any issues bar two cases of damage to connectors etc caused by misuse.

slave1 · 02-02-2017 8:07pm

2015 Acenta+, 8,000miles, £12k, Belfast

cros13 · 02-02-2017 10:20pm

slave1 wrote: »

2015 Acenta+, 8,000miles, £12k, Belfast

Only one slight problem with that one. If it's Acenta+ why doesn't it have the special 17" acenta+ alloys? It should also include both the 3-pin granny cable and the Type 2 to Type 1 public charging cable.

I suspect it's just a 6.6kW charger equipped Acenta incorrectly advertised. But it could be good leverage in negotiations.

slave1 · 02-02-2017 10:56pm

There's nothing to stop anyone selling their Leaf and keeping a cable, or cable lost/stolen etc

cros13 · 02-02-2017 11:16pm

Oh sure... but the alloys are a dead giveaway that it's an Acenta and not an Acenta+.

The Acenta+ is a fourth trim level in the UK between Acenta and Tekna bundling the most popular options and the spiffy 17" trim specific alloys.

There's no equivalent trim in Ireland.

slave1 · 05-02-2017 1:55pm

Interesting, ex demo, stickers covered white 30kW Acenta, close to VAT mileage but that can be overcome, £15.5k, prices falling for 30kW's...

KCross · 07-02-2017 1:14pm

https://speakev.com/threads/nissan-leaf-acenta-65-reg-24kwh-6-6kw-battery-bought.20215/

152 24kWh Acenta+
6.6kW charger and both charging cables.
4000 miles
£11k

KCross · 07-02-2017 1:19pm

slave1 wrote: »

Interesting, ex demo, stickers covered , close to VAT mileage but that can be overcome, £15.5k, prices falling for 30kW's...

As a matter of interest, do those stickers come off clean with no shading issues between the parts of the paint that were and were not covered, particularly since the car probably has those stickers for a year now?.... surely there would be shading issues when they are taken off?

Anyone know?

slave1 · 07-02-2017 1:28pm

KCross wrote: »

https://speakev.com/threads/nissan-leaf-acenta-65-reg-24kwh-6-6kw-battery-bought.20215/

152 24kWh Acenta+
6.6kW charger and both charging cables.
4000 miles
£11k

I've been following that sale for a while, this is the first time he has budged on price, he took it down off Autotrader last week so I thought it was sold.
In any case it's overpriced, there's a nicer colour (subjective) grey with an asking of £10.8k, same model, pretty much the same mileage and with Nissan Cared 4 warranty and coverage although it does not have two cables (I phoned).
He can't sell at that price when dealer cheaper (ignoring the cable) with warranty comeback, free servicing for two years etc.
He needs to drop to £10k minimum and then would be doing well.

KCross · 07-02-2017 1:40pm

slave1 wrote: »

I've been following that sale for a while, this is the first time he has budged on price, he took it down off Autotrader last week so I thought it was sold.
In any case it's overpriced, there's a nicer colour (subjective) grey with an asking of £10.8k, same model, pretty much the same mileage and with Nissan Cared 4 warranty and coverage although it does not have two cables (I phoned).
He can't sell at that price when dealer cheaper (ignoring the cable) with warranty comeback, free servicing for two years etc.
He needs to drop to £10k minimum and then would be doing well.

The warranty, to you, is the same really as its the manufacturers warranty you will be falling back on and both still have that.

I'd agree though, he needs to be cheaper than a dealer. The extra cable is worth a few hundred. Have you tried a PM to the speakev guy and point out the autotrader example. He has it for sale quite a while now so he needs to get real.

Which cable is the autotrader one missing? It should have both by default, so they must have sold it to someone else!
Is the autotrader one a 151 or a 152?

slave1 · 07-02-2017 2:13pm

The warranty, to you, is the same really as its the manufacturers warranty you will be falling back on and both still have that.
True, good point, although not valid for me there is also extra breakdown cover and free servicing priced into the dealer offer

I'd agree though, he needs to be cheaper than a dealer. The extra cable is worth a few hundred. Have you tried a PM to the speakev guy and point out the autotrader example. He has it for sale quite a while now so he needs to get real.
I'm not going for it, I'd rather deal with a main/reputable dealer when importing so no point in me communicating with him, I have another thread where I'll hopefully be posting to in the coming months on cars I'm interested in

Which cable is the autotrader one missing? It should have both by default, so they must have sold it to someone else!
Is the autotrader one a 151 or a 152?
Don't know, he just said there's one cable, other one probably sold with another vehicle, I can't tell if it's a 151 or 152 as the plates are removed in the photos

slave1 · 09-02-2017 3:41pm

Nice 2016 30kWh Acenta (I checked and it is the 30kWh version), 3,900miles and Nissan dealer with Nissan Cared4 (free 2year servicing if you're close to the border), unfortunately for me it's black and I don't want to keep a black car, £13,995 asking

Calahonda52 · 09-02-2017 10:50pm

Some Nissan branches here are offering an additional 1,000 off for the 24kWh Nissan leaf, so the net cash price difference between the basic 24kWh and the basic 30kWh is now €4k.

So would welcome some pros and cons of spending/not spending the €4k.

The obvious one is the greater range, but are their others?
Thanks as always

cros13 · 09-02-2017 11:40pm

Calahonda52 wrote: »

but are their others?

The drivetrain warranty on the 30kWh is 8 years / 160,000km vs 5 years / 100,000km on the 24kWh.

Though the 24kWh has:
Better behavior with multiple rapid charges in a single journey
More evidence of long term longevity than the 30kWh

It depends on what meets your needs.

slave1 · 10-02-2017 9:56am

Apparently the 30kWh will also reach the 80% charge at the same 30minute from a public rapid charge station too.

Re the comment on 24kWh having better evidence of long term longevity, well in fairness the 30kWh is simply not on the market long enough to prove itself.

Is there anything to suggest long term issues?
Surely the extended warranty (8 years versus 5 years) provides a degree of assurance.

I'm now pretty much decided on the 30kWh version given they are popping up now in the Acenta class at the £14k mark.

cros13 · 10-02-2017 10:35am

slave1 wrote:

Re the comment on 24kWh having better evidence of long term longevity, well in fairness the 30kWh is simply not on the market long enough to prove itself.

Exactly.

slave1 wrote:

Is there anything to suggest long term issues?

Nope

Calahonda52 · 10-02-2017 6:51pm

slave1 wrote: »

Apparently the 30kWh will also reach the 80% charge at the same 30minute from a public rapid charge station too.

Re the comment on 24kWh having better evidence of long term longevity, well in fairness the 30kWh is simply not on the market long enough to prove itself.

Is there anything to suggest long term issues?
Surely the extended warranty (8 years versus 5 years) provides a degree of assurance.

I'm now pretty much decided on the 30kWh version given they are popping up now in the Acenta class at the £14k mark.

Is this new or S/H
Thanks

slave1 · 10-02-2017 7:00pm

Used, seen three at the £14k mark in the UK the last week or so

Calahonda52 · 10-02-2017 7:04pm

slave1 wrote: »

Used, seen three at the £14k mark in the UK the last week or so

Thanks.
Have you done the math on the final delivered cost in here?
What will the home charging unit cost?
What about warranty on battery and the rest of the car?
Am taking one for a test drive next week.

slave1 · 10-02-2017 7:40pm

Have you done the math on the final delivered cost in here?
Just add €350+VAT for delivery to your door, loads of guys doing it up and down the country.
Use a FX house to get the best sterling rate, e.g. ukforex.co.uk

What will the home charging unit cost?
Depends, £350-£400'ish plus installation

What about warranty on battery and the rest of the car?
Battery depends on model, 5yrs for the 24, 8 years for the 30

Am taking one for a test drive next week
Good luck, haven't driven one myself yet

Soarer · 10-02-2017 11:13pm

@slave1: Are you in a mad rush to buy? 'Cause I reckon you'll be able to get an SE spec Ioniq for not far off that price come September.

11-02-2017 12:08am

slave1 wrote: »

Apparently the 30kWh will also reach the 80% charge at the same 30minute from a public rapid charge station too.

Yes the same time to 80 % but the 30 Kwh at 80% is the same as the leaf 24 Kwh charged to 100% or close !

slave1 wrote: »

Re the comment on 24kWh having better evidence of long term longevity, well in fairness the 30kWh is simply not on the market long enough to prove itself.

Indeed it's not on the market long enough but according to U.S owners in hot climates it experiences similar rate of decline as the 24 Kwh, what does that tell us here ? hmm not much but at worst it's probably not going to loose capacity faster than the 24 Kwh on this side of the Atlantic, time will tell.

slave1 wrote: »

Is there anything to suggest long term issues?
Surely the extended warranty (8 years versus 5 years) provides a degree of assurance.

Yes the 24 Kwh Leaf is tried and tested and ultra reliable. No reason to suggest the 30 Kwh would be any worse.

listermint · 11-02-2017 11:19am

Soarer wrote: »

@slave1: Are you in a mad rush to buy? 'Cause I reckon you'll be able to get an SE spec Ioniq for not far off that price come September.

SE spec iconiq for 14k in sept?

Doubt it.

slave1 · 11-02-2017 12:10pm

Soarer wrote: »

@slave1: Are you in a mad rush to buy? 'Cause I reckon you'll be able to get an SE spec Ioniq for not far off that price come September.

Overkill for our needs and I highly doubt they will drop ~£10k in 7months

Soarer · 11-02-2017 10:03pm

listermint wrote: »

SE spec iconiq for 14k in sept?

Doubt it.

slave1 wrote: »

Overkill for our needs and I highly doubt they will drop ~£10k in 7months

Well if Hyundai release a bigger battery version in the meantime, plus a probable fall in sterling with the triggering of Article 50, it won't be too far off IMO.

unkel · 11-02-2017 11:14pm

You can put all the ifs you want in a sentence, but it's not gonna happen, Soarer

b4bmm · 13-02-2017 3:55am

What is the VRT grant, Is that a grant for anybody buying an EV abroad?

isnottheword · 13-02-2017 4:01am

b4bmm wrote: »

What is the VRT grant, Is that a grant for anybody buying an EV abroad?

The first €5k in VRT is exempt (which should cover 90% of imports - unless you're buying something higher end). There's also a €5k grant on the purchase of any new BEV within IRL.

b4bmm · 13-02-2017 4:09am

So the import doesn't have to be new buy, it could be second hand EV and can still avail of the 5k import concession?

isnottheword · 13-02-2017 4:12am

b4bmm wrote: »

So the import doesn't have to be new buy, it could be second hand EV and can still avail of the 5k import concession?

It needs to be used - someone else can jump in here if I've got this wrong but I think it needs to be a minimum of six months (?) old and have minimum of 6k km on the clock - something like that.

Either someone will come back and confirm - or you'll find the relevant info on a web search.

Soarer · 13-02-2017 11:12am

As isnottheword said, the car needs to be at least 6 months old AND have a minimum of 6k kms. If either of these conditions aren't met, the car is classed as "new", which means you have to pay VAT on this side. The VAT can be claimed back on the UK side too, but for an easy life, just stick to the conditions above.

slave1 · 17-02-2017 3:17pm

Not in the garage yet (presume PCP returns?), 30kWh Acenta at £14k, no mention of flex...

unkel · 17-02-2017 4:26pm

Cheapest Leaf (non battery lease, first generation, 2011) on autotrader is now £6,300

Astonishing. Only a few months ago that was at least £1,000 less :eek:

What's happening here?

KCross · 17-02-2017 4:47pm

unkel wrote: »

Cheapest Leaf (non battery lease, first generation, 2011) on autotrader is now £6,300

Astonishing. Only a few months ago that was at least £1,000 less :eek:

What's happening here?

Brexit/Sterling kicking in maybe?

There have been alot of annoucements over the last few weeks of major companies (Apple, Microsoft) increasing their prices in the UK by 25% due to the sterling and maybe its filtering to cars.

I know the Leaf is manufactured in Sunderland but it probably still sources outside the UK as well. The UK folks cannot get the same deals on new Leaf's as they could before. It all filters down to the 2nd hand market eventually.

unkel · 17-02-2017 5:48pm

I don't think there was any increase like that (20%) in any other say 6 year old cars, so there's that theory out the window

A hard brexit, with manufacturing / assembly moved out of the UK into an EU country will have a severe impact on prices in the UK though, unless they'll opt not to apply import duties. And why would they charge import duties if they're not getting any income from them now? So without new import duties, I can't see prices of parts / cars going up? Unless sterling devaluates drastically of course.

KCross · 17-02-2017 6:03pm

unkel wrote: »

I don't think there was any increase like that (20%) in any other say 6 year old cars, so there's that theory out the window

A hard brexit, with manufacturing / assembly moved out of the UK into an EU country will have a severe impact on prices in the UK though, unless they'll opt not to apply import duties. And why would they charge import duties if they're not getting any income from them now? So without new import duties, I can't see prices of parts / cars going up? Unless sterling devaluates drastically of course.

It has already fallen 20%(70p in Nov 15 to 86p now). I think most would consider that drastic already!

I have a friend who buys motor parts in the UK and resells here and prices have increased. It just depends on what the supply chain is.

The PCP deals in the UK are not as good as they were from Nissan a year ago. That will have a direct impact on 2nd hand Leaf resale as more people look towards 2nd hand rather than the more expensive PCP deals.

Any opinion yourself?

unkel · 17-02-2017 6:40pm

KCross wrote: »

It has already fallen 20%(70p in Nov 15 to 86p now). I think most would consider that drastic already!

Making the figures fit your argument? :pac:

Sterling is higher today than it was just before the brexit vote. So it hasn't fallen at all yet. It most likely will happen though post the real hard exit.

Not sure what the impact from changes in UK PCP plans is, you could have a point there.

KCross · 17-02-2017 6:45pm

unkel wrote: »

Making the figures fit your argument? :pac:

Sterling is higher today than it was just before the brexit vote. So it hasn't fallen at all yet. It most likely will happen though post the real hard exit.

Huh?

Brexit vote was 23 Jun 16. Sterling was at 76p then. Why do you say it hasnt fallen at all yet?

stesaurus · 17-02-2017 7:22pm

Anyone looking for a 32a charger should grab this quickly:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/EV-Universal-Home-Car-Charger-7Kw-32A-/332129738146?&_trksid=p2056016.l4276

Calahonda52 · 17-02-2017 7:50pm

KCross wrote: »

Huh?

Brexit vote was 23 Jun 16. Sterling was at 76p then. Why do you say it hasnt fallen at all yet?

.

unkel · 17-02-2017 10:53pm

KCross wrote: »

Huh?

Brexit vote was 23 Jun 16. Sterling was at 76p then. Why do you say it hasnt fallen at all yet?

Apologies I was a bit hasty reading a graph. Sterling has fallen alright but only 10% since the day before brexit (77p vs 85p). That's hardly a huge change.

My point was that your starting point of the decline was in 2015 which has obviously nothing to do with brexit. Conveniently sterling was the highest in November '15 (the date you quote) that it had been in 8 years (since before the recession)

Gumbo · 18-02-2017 2:13am

Peoples opinion on this car?

https://www.donedeal.ie/view/14621302
NISSAN LEAF 6.6 kw Tekna

Guys, how do you arm yourself for an EV purchase, especially a private sale.
I don't. We'd a talk on buying cars as I've bought and sold more cars than I've had hot dinners, but never an EV

This one jusmped put at me considering 6.6 version, price, 3 charge cables included, I assume it's the home charger (32 amp) then the granny and public cables?

Thanks.

unkel · 18-02-2017 2:23am

kceire wrote: »

Peoples opinion on this car?

12k for a '13 24kWh when you can import a 30kWh '16 for £14k plus a few hundred getting the car over?

My money would be on the latter. There are 3 entry points of very best value for money in EV at the moment imho:

1. very first gen '11 Leaf, probably with a slightly compromised battery, already on Irish reg, for bottom dollars - say €6k-€7k
2. import '16 Leaf with 30kWh battery for about €16k landed
3. buy brand new Ioniq for €24k

Gumbo · 18-02-2017 9:21am

unkel wrote: »

12k for a '13 24kWh when you can import a 30kWh '16 for £14k plus a few hundred getting the car over?

My money would be on the latter. There are 3 entry points of very best value for money in EV at the moment imho:

1. very first gen '11 Leaf, probably with a slightly compromised battery, already on Irish reg, for bottom dollars - say €6k-€7k
2. import '16 Leaf with 30kWh battery for about €16k landed
3. buy brand new Ioniq for €24k

Cheers. Budget at present wouldn't stretch to 16k.
I want the 2nd Gen SVE due to better battery, heat pump and spec tbh

hargo · 18-02-2017 2:16pm

unkel wrote: »

12k for a '13 24kWh when you can import a 30kWh '16 for £14k plus a few hundred getting the car over?

My money would be on the latter. There are 3 entry points of very best value for money in EV at the moment imho:

1. very first gen '11 Leaf, probably with a slightly compromised battery, already on Irish reg, for bottom dollars - say €6k-€7k
2. import '16 Leaf with 30kWh battery for about €16k landed
3. buy brand new Ioniq for €24k

Brand new Ioniq for €24k, I was quoted €26,595 with scrappage?

Calahonda52 · 18-02-2017 2:24pm

unkel wrote: »

12k for a '13 24kWh when you can import a 30kWh '16 for £14k plus a few hundred getting the car over?

My money would be on the latter. There are 3 entry points of very best value for money in EV at the moment imho:

1. very first gen '11 Leaf, probably with a slightly compromised battery, already on Irish reg, for bottom dollars - say €6k-€7k
2. import '16 Leaf with 30kWh battery for about €16k landed
3. buy brand new Ioniq for €24k

As I look on the Uk sites now, Sat 18th Feb, I don't see how €16k landed is available for '16/30Kwh.
Likewise re €24 for new Ioniq.

KCross · 18-02-2017 3:18pm

Calahonda52 wrote: »

As I look on the Uk sites now, Sat 18th Feb, I don't see how €16k landed is available for '16/30Kwh.
Likewise re €24 for new Ioniq.

£14k should be do-able. Add flight and ferry and you will be at around €17k

Ioniq is 28495 and subtract scrappage you are at 24495 plus maybe delivery so around €25k?

unkel · 18-02-2017 10:11pm

kceire wrote: »

Cheers. Budget at present wouldn't stretch to 16k.
I want the 2nd Gen SVE due to better battery, heat pump and spec tbh

I understand, but it will depreciate quite a bit in the next few years.

I suppose you could bring over and show him €10.5k cash. See what he thinks

Gumbo · 19-02-2017 12:47am

unkel wrote: »

I understand, but it will depreciate quite a bit in the next few years.

I suppose you could bring over and show him €10.5k cash. See what he thinks

Deffo an option.
I'm building this year so have to be restrained in the car purchase. It's either a Leaf or I stick with another jeep, E53 X5 or W164 ML!

The owner is buying a 30kw version as I spoke to him today.

This week's EV bargain that I'm not buying

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