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This weeks Classic Irish bargains that I'm not buying

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  • Registered Users Posts: 687 ✭✭✭DakarVert


    Wouldn't touch it at that money. It's a bastardised 4-door.

    I don't understand why people weld the rear doors, even with a single piece rear glass they still look odd.

    Could have been a nice car if left original 4-door. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,996 ✭✭✭selectamatic


    Ah with that attitude everyone's cars would look the same! And a t 5k it's still not dear for an escort especially a healthy 1.6 manual one. I haven't seen too many welded up 4 doors but this one looks to be a pretty good job. It's never gonna appeal to the so called "purists" but then again nothing only absolute originality will and that in my eyes is just boring. I'm not saying every 4 door escort should be welded up far from it but I like to see little projects like these, they keep the scene vibrant. There's an outstanding 4 door escort for sale near me here in Roscommon at the moment but again it's not something for the "purists" :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users Posts: 687 ✭✭✭DakarVert


    I'm a big Escort fan, I just don't get a half arsed 4-door conversion, it just looks wrong.

    That car would be much nicer as a 4-door.

    It's now neither a 2-door or a 4-door.


    This is a 4-Door done correct. :cool:
    https://cars.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/1979-mk2-escort-honda-s2000-powered-6-speed/9899229


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,219 ✭✭✭pablo128


    Tzar Chasm wrote: »
    I remember when they could be bought for 20 quid,for the express purpose of wrecking it in a field

    There's a vast amount of cars which I bought cheap and wrecked in a field which would be worth thousands today.

    Hindsight would be a wonderful thing.:):)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,996 ✭✭✭selectamatic


    "Half-arsed" is the only viable way to do a two door conversion really if a man went to the bother of getting coupe doors and quarters along with moving the pillars he'd be far better off just buying a 2 door in the first place unless of course he got the 4 door shell for peanut's. All talking aside I really don't buy the argument that a welded up 4 door with nice arches and solid rear windows and evidence of nice clean workmanship looks odd or ugly, they just don't they're actually quite nice and the average person wouldn't know the difference! note I said person not "car enthusiast". I think the best frame of mind to take is to look at them as a third model with their own merits as they're never gonna look identical to a 2 door unless done fully which as mentioned doesn't make economic sense.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,996 ✭✭✭selectamatic


    pablo128 wrote: »
    There's a vast amount of cars which I bought cheap and wrecked in a field which would be worth thousands today.

    Hindsight would be a wonderful thing.:):)

    Very true it's finding the current crop of appreciating cars that one should be putting all their efforts into! Sierra's are on a solid march up the price range in Ireland at the minute, although clean base models are still pretty cheap in the uk


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,219 ✭✭✭pablo128


    Very true it's finding the current crop of appreciating cars that one should be putting all their efforts into! Sierra's are on a solid march up the price range in Ireland at the minute, although clean base models are still pretty cheap in the uk
    I think what helped the Sierra was that it wasn't favoured that much by the Banger racers, although it's a while since I've seen one.

    A car that is starting to appreciate now is the Fiat Coupe 20v Turbo. Can still be bought for a few thousand. A surefire future classic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,863 ✭✭✭RobAMerc


    can someone please explain why Escorts are making so much money ?
    Is it that they evoke fond memories for every middle aged bloke whos now got a few quid to re live some bit of their youth ?

    otherwise they are fairly humdrum compared to some of the stuff from the era no ?
    Wouldn't a Fiat 131 or a Lancia Beta or a Giulia eat it for breakfast ? ( although a fwd beta might not be as much craic )

    Although I admit the Italian ones do make me have irrational thoughts for some reason. ( sadist maybe )


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,996 ✭✭✭selectamatic


    Rally men plain and simple ;) They're an iconic rally car and used world wide for rallying especially in Ireland. The rally men have deep pockets and it's inevitable that there will be a few causalities when rallying and since there is a finite amount of escorts the price goes up! Escorts have a mystique about them but as you say there were better cars however since escorts are so popular there is a massive range aftermarket parts available for them with the result that they can be built to a massive spec where they rival modern wrc cars never mind the rivals from back in the 70's and 80's. It's like the AE86 corolla in drifting, although they make fair rally cars too!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,596 ✭✭✭kyote00


    These passed by my house a few weeks ago on a closed road rally.

    Of all the Subarus, Mitsubis etc, the escorts sounded the best....
    RobAMerc wrote: »
    can someone please explain why Escorts are making so much money ?
    Is it that they evoke fond memories for every middle aged bloke whos now got a few quid to re live some bit of their youth ?

    otherwise they are fairly humdrum compared to some of the stuff from the era no ?
    Wouldn't a Fiat 131 or a Lancia Beta or a Giulia eat it for breakfast ? ( although a fwd beta might not be as much craic )

    Although I admit the Italian ones do make me have irrational thoughts for some reason. ( sadist maybe )


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,863 ✭✭✭RobAMerc


    I've stood my fair share in hedges, I know all about Escorts and rallying.(best spectical on the stage imo ) But is that the reason they are all making so much money ? Surely someone would start knocking out full shells for them if that were the case.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,596 ✭✭✭kyote00


    Thats is exactly the case... GRP4, Burton Power, Demon Tweaks all provide a full range of parts, panels etc
    So I think it probably access to parts, fairly easy mantainance, lots of knowledge and history in UK and Ireland.

    I guess compared to a modern Fiesta/Focus ST --- the escort is cheap ?
    RobAMerc wrote: »
    I've stood my fair share in hedges, I know all about Escorts and rallying.(best spectical on the stage imo ) But is that the reason they are all making so much money ? Surely someone would start knocking out full shells for them if that were the case.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,152 ✭✭✭26000 Elephants


    RobAMerc wrote: »
    I've stood my fair share in hedges, I know all about Escorts and rallying.(best spectical on the stage imo ) But is that the reason they are all making so much money ? Surely someone would start knocking out full shells for them if that were the case.

    There's a few Bulgarian lads outside london who are doing exactly that - they're shipping Srinters over to bulgaria, and bringing back some nice 2 door Escort shells.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 568 ✭✭✭CianDon


    The prices of Escorts may be taking a did soon enough thanks to the Chinese. First shell below from a run of 100% correct reproduction shells that will be the bones of £7500 stg delivered to the UK. First ones expeced before the end of the year!!
    10659189_818475211581854_5937126869507715028_n.jpg?oh=1e5bc96ec92d5f382b050d18372c32ef&oe=5616D972


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,107 ✭✭✭hi5


    All you need then is for them to start knocking out the matching brown tax books complete with teacup rings and smudged ink.:)


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,152 ✭✭✭26000 Elephants


    hi5 wrote: »
    All you need then is for them to start knocking out the matching brown tax books complete with teacup rings and smudged ink.:)

    No need for the Chinese to do that - its quite the cottage industry here already.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭ucd.1985




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,617 ✭✭✭ba_barabus


    That's great. I'll be in the market for something like that in a few months.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,268 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    Looks very nice. Seller has made a classic mistake in showing his hand though, he's clearly quite keen to be rid of it so asking price can probably be beaten down.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,944 ✭✭✭Bigus


    Sleepy wrote: »
    Looks very nice. Seller has made a classic mistake in showing his hand though, he's clearly quite keen to be rid of it so asking price can probably be beaten down.

    I disagree , it proves it's actually for sale unlike 80 % of other vintage stuff on done deal with ridiculous prices , It'll sell quickly though, which is the point of the advert I presume.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,487 ✭✭✭Seweryn




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,944 ✭✭✭Bigus


    You could do a Brian meme for that

    "Bought a genuine old irish 6 digit reg number"




    "Has ZV in it "


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,358 ✭✭✭kev1.3s


    Bigus wrote: »
    I disagree , it proves it's actually for sale unlike 80 % of other vintage stuff on done deal with ridiculous prices , It'll sell quickly though, which is the point of the advert I presume.

    Can't agree with you there, I think values of good classics here are very low in comparison to other European country's.
    That's why all the good cars are being exported which leaves only the crap left behind.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,487 ✭✭✭Seweryn


    kev1.3s wrote: »
    Can't agree with you there, I think values of good classics here are very low in comparison to other European country's.
    That's why all the good cars are being exported which leaves only the crap left behind.
    Because people do not appreciate good cars and will only pay an average price for any car. Strange market in this country.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,793 ✭✭✭Red Kev


    Ireland has never had a very strong classic car scene, or certainly not as strong as other countries. Reasons for this were mostly economic, where having a classic car was a luxury that most people couldn't afford. Affording your first car here was hard enough 20 years ago, so most people never started a strong brand identity in their late teens to twenties like in other countries. The first car you owned was inevitably a dog and you moved on to something else ASAP.

    We also never had a strong indigenous motor industry, we assembled cars but never had out own brand. Incidentally one of the strongest classic car scenes seems to be Ford in the Cork area, an area where people of a certain generation will have a stronger affiliation to the brand than here.

    Classic cars became popular 10-15 years ago when we had plenty of disposable income but as the recession kicked in the luxury of a classic wore off and many sales were through necessity rather than choice.

    Due to having RHD the market for cars is really only limited to the UK for the majority of cars, though there are exceptions. Bring in an exchange rate that at the moment makes it very very attractive for UK buyers and you have a perfect storm as to why a lot of Irish classics are being exported.

    It's therefore a bit more complicated than just saying that we don't appreciate classics or that we don't want to spend good money on one. Sure, there's plenty of people looking for a pre 1980 bucket that they don't have to NCT but there's plenty of us who are willing to invest money in them as well.

    If things start to pick up properly in the future economically then there'll be more people driving classics. I also think that people born in the 80's and 90's will be looking for the boy racer cars of the 2000's in a few years and that a proper classic car scene will develop around them. They were the first real generation of Irish people to have serious disposable income when they were in their teens or early 20's, so I'd expect to see a scene around classic E36's, modified VW's and Ricers (amongst others) developing here in a few years.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,079 ✭✭✭✭Duke O Smiley


    http://cars.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/austin-morris-1300-for-sale/10023047?offset=19
    44617744.jpeg

    What a stunning little 1100, even love the pictures, the backdrop is like something straight outta the 70s.

    http://cars.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/1966-fiat-1100-d/10025653?offset=2
    44631265.jpeg

    And this is just gorgeous


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,042 ✭✭✭kaizersoze


    This caught my eye today. Ad very sparse on info.

    Any one know it?
    https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/vintage-car/10021481

    44610992.jpeg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,079 ✭✭✭✭Duke O Smiley


    Have seen it at a few shows in Dublin. Looks quite crusty up close


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,042 ✭✭✭kaizersoze


    Have seen it at a few shows in Dublin. Looks quite crusty up close

    Thanks. The lack of close ups and interior had me suspicious.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,708 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Audi is taxed until next year. NCT doesn't know it though. Possibly never ever NCTd? :eek:

    Most of us in here know that any car registered on or after 01/01/1980 needs an NCT and needs to be tested every year. The original old reg might fool a Garda (the person) but it will not fool his tool (PULSE). Personally I'd rather not risk a €1,500 fine, 5 penalty points and the car taken away and crushed...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,079 ✭✭✭✭Duke O Smiley


    Yes - it isn't on the NCT database which is cause for great concern. I see no NCT disc in the window or even a space on the disc holder. You will either come up against a Guard with PULSE or a Guard who knows his classics..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,042 ✭✭✭kaizersoze


    Yeah. I checked the NCT database as well before posting and no record of it at all. Tis a bit odd. Pity. I like the old audi Coupes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,211 ✭✭✭Thinkingaboutit


    The reg cannot be read on the photo anymore. Nice colour.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,708 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    The reg cannot be read on the photo anymore. Nice colour.

    Eh?

    The NSI4 reg is clearly visible, front and back. The reg is genuine as it is recognised by numerous other websites (including cartell and the official government motor tax site) and the car is currently taxed


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,042 ✭✭✭kaizersoze


    SOLD...apparently.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,333 ✭✭✭w124man


    Another dickhead that thinks double glazing is 'bulletproof glass' .....


    https://cars.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/mercedes-benz-s500/9545004


    ... go pay the VRT ....


    If this is direct from Japan, why didn't he buy a rust free one for less money? There's loads of rust free ones for sale over there!


    https://cars.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/toyota-landcruiser-bj44-long-wheel-base/10036626


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,617 ✭✭✭ba_barabus


    w124man wrote: »
    If this is direct from Japan, why didn't he buy a rust free one for less money? There's loads of rust free ones for sale over there!
    Simple answer to that is he probably got it for close to free over there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,333 ✭✭✭w124man


    ba_barabus wrote: »
    Simple answer to that is he probably got it for close to free over there.


    Most likely .....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,211 ✭✭✭Thinkingaboutit


    unkel wrote: »
    Eh?

    The NSI4 reg is clearly visible, front and back. The reg is genuine as it is recognised by numerous other websites (including cartell and the official government motor tax site) and the car is currently taxed

    It looked a bit edited.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,708 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Ah ok, see what you mean. The reg is genuine though :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,708 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Handsome machine

    25256023.jpeg

    Price is not too unrealistic. Long NCT and long tax

    Linky


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,996 ✭✭✭selectamatic


    A wee bit of haggling needed on the price but the fact it has the nct and is a td model makes it stand out from the other ones that have been on DD. Great cars for working on some amount of space in the engine bay! :cool: Also run on the veggie stuff with consummate ease so their popular with the mother earth brigade :D Anyone have first hand experience with them compared to the 300d/td models I have a feeling a man might regret not going for the 3.0, or is their really not that big of a difference?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,708 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    300 turbodiesel is far more desirable (wasn't that the worlds first turbo diesel car?), has a lot more power, is auto only iirc which is a good thing, but it would probably set you back a good bit more than that in good condition!

    Personally my pick of choice would be the 280TE auto (petrol)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,487 ✭✭✭Seweryn


    Anyone have first hand experience with them compared to the 300d/td models I have a feeling a man might regret not going for the 3.0, or is their really not that big of a difference?
    Do you mean 300TD or 300TD Turbo? I used to drive a 300TD and it is the only car I am very sorry I sold. Excellent machines.


  • Registered Users Posts: 380 ✭✭mattroche


    UNKEL, I agree, the 280 TE Auto are brilliant, but a bit juicy, had one until recently, got a 300 TED instead. Got lazy with the automatic, I don't particulary enjoy driving that 240D, but it is a great workhorse.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,793 ✭✭✭Red Kev


    A 300 TD was my first proper car many moons ago when I lived in Germany, I've had a good few W123's, mostly 200 but the odd 240. The only real issue with the 300 is that the fifth cylinder doesn't warm up well if the car is doing a lot of short runs but apart from that there's no real difference. 240 has 72PS, 300 has 88PS, and the 300 DT has 109 PS IIRC.

    That 240 looks a good buy, the metal was a better quality in 1984 than the earlier ones and they don't rust as much. It's also the rare but very desirable 5 speed (though I prefer the Auto).

    Rust checks are easy, jack it up and listen for any tell tale crunch, check the bottoms of the doors and boot and around the wheelarches. Also have a look at the metal strip between the headlights and bumper. Any rust in any of those spots means its contagious.

    Self levelling rear suspension should work, the car looks to be level, though the photos are a year old so it needs to be checked properly. Needs a good clean, but it would make a nice daily driver as a rolling resto.

    The 280 is very heavy on petrol if you have a heavy foot, 12-18 l/100 km are normal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,333 ✭✭✭w124man


    W123 and W124 never came in RHD Turbo Diesel. That didn't happen until the W210. The 'T' in TD stands for Touring


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,487 ✭✭✭Seweryn


    w124man wrote: »
    W123 and W124 never came in RHD Turbo Diesel. That didn't happen until the W210. The 'T' in TD stands for Touring
    And the Turbodiesel was never offered with manual transmission except the 250D Turbo in W124.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,708 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    I think only the W123 300TD Turbodiesel never came in manual?


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