ISIS people returning thread - no Lisa Smith talk (21/12/19)

Giveaway · 15-02-2019 10:09am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

She is a citizen of the UK, she is ultimately the responsibility of the UK.

You may think you are 'sure', but you aren't really.
Like other countries with a history of colonisation, expansionism and as the military dogsbody of a greater power the UK has centuries of experience dealing with those who have killed abroad. It also has centuries of experience dealing with those who are a threat to them because of their activity abroad.

If the redtop newspapers stayed out of this, with their usual outrage, I would be sure state institutions can handle this one way or another.

she voluntarily joined a foreign state that wages war against the uk. They have no obligation to seek her return. She joined the middle eastern equivalent of the einsatzgruppen

FrancieBrady · 15-02-2019 10:13am

Giveaway wrote: »

she voluntarily joined a foreign state that wages war against the uk. They have no obligation to seek her return. She joined the middle eastern equivalent of the einsatzgruppen

She wants to return as I understand it.

jim o doom · 15-02-2019 10:21am

From what I've read, if she is handed over to the Syrian government a beheading is a likely outcome, which means neither the UK nor the Kurds would have to deal with her. Sounds good to me.

ohnonotgmail · 15-02-2019 10:24am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

She wants to return as I understand it.

If she wants to return she will have to make her own way back. The british government are not obliged to help her.

Guy:Incognito · 15-02-2019 10:24am

jim o doom wrote: »

From what I've read, if she is handed over to the Syrian government a beheading is a likely outcome, which means neither the UK nor the Kurds would have to deal with her. Sounds good to me.

Sure beheadings dont faze her so it's all good in the hood.

malinheader · 15-02-2019 10:29am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

She is a citizen of the UK, she is ultimately the responsibility of the UK.

You may think you are 'sure', but you aren't really.
Like other countries with a history of colonisation, expansionism and as the military dogsbody of a greater power the UK has centuries of experience dealing with those who have killed abroad. It also has centuries of experience dealing with those who are a threat to them because of their activity abroad.

If the redtop newspapers stayed out of this, with their usual outrage, I would be sure state institutions can handle this one way or another.

Why would the news papers stay out of it.The more outrage the better to show the British government how people feel. We have seen before what a media silence caused in the UK.

whisky_galore · 15-02-2019 10:33am

What did the Brits do during or after WW2 to any of their citizens who threw their lot in with the Nazis? Charged them with treason and threw their sorry arses in jail.

cursai · 15-02-2019 10:35am

Hector Savage wrote: »

Disgusting, I'm sure all the usual mentally ill lefty loons on here will be wishing her return.
Her child will be murdering people on the streets of London in 20 years time.
It's an incompatible ideology with the west.

Wake the **** up.

I already see the jihadi defending scumbag Sadiq Khan wants her back in - but of course he does.
No doubt IRA terror supporter Jeremy Corbyn will be sending a plane for her too.

You don't have to be mentally ill to be a lefty.

weldoninhio · 15-02-2019 10:35am

Kurds should just put one in the back of her head. Save all the aggro.

CrankyHaus · 15-02-2019 10:38am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

She wants to return as I understand it.

When she joined IS, a declared nation state that is at war with the UK and many others, she renounced her own country.
That's ignoring the murder, enslavement and the crimes against humanity she supported.

whisky_galore wrote: »

What did the Brits do during or after WW2 to any of their citizens who threw their lot in with the Nazis? Charged them with treason and threw their sorry arses in jail.

They executed Lord Haw Haw, William Joyce. He's buried out in Galway.

BobMc · 15-02-2019 10:43am

So us, the western so called civilised world arent good enough for her so she joins ISIS.

But we're good enough to come back to and live and get good healthcare

umm No thanks love, stay where you are, you cant have it both ways in my book

The_Kew_Tour · 15-02-2019 10:45am

She should try and get a Irish passport and then she can get The Government plane to bring her home

FTA69 · 15-02-2019 10:48am

Hector Savage wrote: »

Disgusting, I'm sure all the usual mentally ill lefty loons on here will be wishing her return.
Her child will be murdering people on the streets of London in 20 years time.
It's an incompatible ideology with the west.

Wake the **** up.

I already see the jihadi defending scumbag Sadiq Khan wants her back in - but of course he does.
No doubt IRA terror supporter Jeremy Corbyn will be sending a plane for her too.

Herp derp derp.

I'm left wing and I started the f*cking thread saying she shouldn't be allowed back in. Likewise it was the left wing who defeated ISIS and fought them, 8 socialists and anarchists from the UK dying in Rojava in the process.

Very, very few of the culture war online alt Right brigade were there I can tell you that.

weldoninhio · 15-02-2019 10:49am

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

She should try and get a Irish passport and then she can get The Government plane to bring her home

I'd say Zappone is trying to make contact with her as we speak.

15-02-2019 10:51am

She will be allowed back folks, make no istake of that.
it is why we lose out to these maniacs.

I personally would let her make her own way back to ISIS and say fook off, you and your 3 kids before your 20. You wanted this life, go an have it.

ohnonotgmail · 15-02-2019 10:52am

Skyrimaddict wrote: »

She will be allowed back folks, make no istake of that.
it is why we lose out to these maniacs.

I personally would let her make her own way back to ISIS and say fook off, you and your 3 kids before your 20. You wanted this life, go an have it.

It is not a question of her being allowed back. She is a british citizen so they cannot prevent her from returning. That does not mean that they have to offer her any assistance to return nor does it mean she won't be investigated for criminal activity when she returns.

Hector Savage · 15-02-2019 10:56am

cursai wrote: »

You don't have to be mentally ill to be a lefty.

Not all lefties are mentally ill.

Hector Savage · 15-02-2019 10:57am

FTA69 wrote: »

Herp derp derp.

I'm left wing and I started the f*cking thread saying she shouldn't be allowed back in. Likewise it was the left wing who defeated ISIS and fought them, 8 socialists and anarchists from the UK dying in Rojava in the process.

Very, very few of the culture war online alt Right brigade were there I can tell you that.

To be clear I'm not talking about the left in general here, I am talking about a fringe lunatic mob that is doing damage to the sane ones - I am actually classically left believe it or not.

Feisar · 15-02-2019 10:58am

CrankyHaus wrote: »

When she joined IS, a declared nation state that is at war with the UK and many others, she renounced her own country.
That's ignoring the murder, enslavement and the crimes against humanity she supported.

They executed Lord Haw Haw, William Joyce. He's buried out in Galway.

To be fair she was already doing that as a British citizen so that shouldn't be held against her.

nullzero · 15-02-2019 10:58am

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

It is not a question of her being allowed back. She is a british citizen so they cannot prevent her from returning. That does not mean that they have to offer her any assistance to return nor does it mean she won't be investigated for criminal activity when she returns.

Don't they all have to destroy their passport's when joining ISIS as well as renouncing their citizenship? I'm sure she is still legally a British citizen, but surely an exception should be made here to deter others from exploiting the generosity of western nations. Where that would leave her status is a poser of a question but surely an answer can be found. Support of barbarism of the type carried out by ISIS isn't something that should be tolerated in any civilised country.

Fr_Dougal · 15-02-2019 10:59am

Sense of entitlement, such a terrorist millennial.

CrankyHaus · 15-02-2019 11:01am

Feisar wrote: »

To be fair she was already doing that as a British citizen so that shouldn't be held against her.

Ooohhh! When did the Edgelord train roll into the station?

ohnonotgmail · 15-02-2019 11:02am

nullzero wrote: »

Don't they all have to destroy their passport's when joining ISIS as well as renouncing their citizenship? I'm sure she is still legally a British citizen, but surely an exception should be made here to deter others from exploiting the generosity of western nations. Where that would leave her status is a poser of a question but surely an answer can be found. Support of barbarism of the type carried out by ISIS isn't something that should be tolerated in any civilised country.

destroying a passport means nothing. its a piece of paper. Stripping her of citizenship would be very difficult as that would leave her stateless. And you're right, it should not be prosecuted. So if she does return she should be investigated by the police and let the law takes its course.

15-02-2019 11:04am

Is British citizenship given automatically to her children or would they have to apply? My father is from the North, I would have to pay over a grand to apply for UK citizenship so would it be the same for any children she apparently has outside of the UK?

Call me Al · 15-02-2019 11:09am

nullzero wrote: »

Don't they all have to destroy their passport's when joining ISIS as well as renouncing their citizenship? I'm sure she is still legally a British citizen, but surely an exception should be made here to deter others from exploiting the generosity of western nations. Where that would leave her status is a poser of a question but surely an answer can be found. Support of barbarism of the type carried out by ISIS isn't something that should be tolerated in any civilised country.

She can burn passports and renounce until the cows come home.. If revocation of citizenship is not done officially through whatever gov't department is responsible then it means nothing.
Symbolically what she's done is completely different of course, and British consulates aren't going to go out of their way to help her though, as much for the domestic optics as national security.
She is a very dangerous woman. I'd not want her coming back to Europe let alone into the country, but she is a UK citizen, and only a UK citizen from what I read, and I don't see how there's anything the UK authorities can do about it.

Rory28 · 15-02-2019 11:10am

This is really difficult imo. I was all for letting her stay over there and deal with the consequences of her actions but then I saw an interview with the Father of one of the other girls. It broke my heart watching him. I would say have her brought back and tried for treason or being a member of a terrorist org.

ohnonotgmail · 15-02-2019 11:10am

Deleted User wrote: »

Is British citizenship given automatically to her children or would they have to apply? My father is from the North, I would have to pay over a grand to apply for UK citizenship so would it be the same for any children she apparently has outside of the UK?

As she was born in the uk (i'm pretty sure she was anyway) her child is automatically a british citizen.

Galwayguy35 · 15-02-2019 11:10am

She wasn't even born in the UK so should have her citizenship revoked and leave her to rot where she is.

She said herself the only reason she wants to come back is so the kid will be taken care of on the NHS, if I was a Brit taxpayer I'd be seriously pissed off about that.

And that's before we even look at the rest of what she said which is that seeing heads in a bin didn't bother her at all.

Galwayguy35 · 15-02-2019 11:11am

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

As she was born in the uk (i'm pretty sure she was anyway) her child is automatically a british citizen.

She wasn't, her father said in an interview with Sky yesterday she came to the UK aged 3

malinheader · 15-02-2019 11:12am

Even the thought of her being allowed back into the UK shows how soft and pathetic the west has become.

And be under no illusions there will be plenty of help and financial backing to get her back into the UK from certain minorities.

Let her go back to ISIS. I'm sure they will welcome her back the way she deserves.

ohnonotgmail · 15-02-2019 11:14am

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

She wasn't even born in the UK so should have her citizenship revoked and leave her to rot where she is.

She said herself the only reason she wants to come back is so the kid will be taken care of on the NHS, if I was a Brit taxpayer I'd be seriously pissed off about that.

And that's before we even look at the rest of what she said which is that seeing heads in a bin didn't bother her at all.

she was born in the uk according to the daily mail

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2994085/She-loved-Rihanna-clothes-make-fell-spell-Islamists-British-schoolgirl-15-fled-join-ISIS.html

Sharmeena was born to Bangladeshi parents in Tower Hamlets, east London, in 1999. She was largely brought up by her mother Shahnaz Begum until 2007, when her father moved to Britain.

malinheader · 15-02-2019 11:15am

Rory28 wrote: »

This is really difficult imo. I was all for letting her stay over there and deal with the consequences of her actions but then I saw an interview with the Father of one of the other girls. It broke my heart watching him. I would say have her brought back and tried for treason or being a member of a terrorist org.

Go back a few posts and see her father attending the hate rallys.

Guy:Incognito · 15-02-2019 11:21am

cursai wrote: »

You don't have to be mentally ill to be a lefty.

You dont have to be, but it helps

:)

FTA69 wrote: »

Herp derp derp.

I'm left wing and I started the f*cking thread saying she shouldn't be allowed back in. Likewise it was the left wing who defeated ISIS and fought them, 8 socialists and anarchists from the UK dying in Rojava in the process.

Very, very few of the culture war online alt Right brigade were there I can tell you that.

The far right love the muslims sure........

ohnonotgmail · 15-02-2019 11:23am

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

She wasn't, her father said in an interview with Sky yesterday she came to the UK aged 3

I think you may have misheard. The father came to the UK when she was 3.

Call me Al · 15-02-2019 11:26am

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

she was born in the uk according to the daily mail

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2994085/She-loved-Rihanna-clothes-make-fell-spell-Islamists-British-schoolgirl-15-fled-join-ISIS.html

There are two girls with very similar names from Bethnal Green who ran off to IS around the same time .
Sharmeena Begum and Shamima Begum. I think the latter is the one involved here, as she was one of the three who left together, and I haven't seen any comment on where she was born. The former was born in London.

BobMc · 15-02-2019 11:29am

As others have said too, if she's no passport dont support her, let her attempt to make her own way, dont offer any assistance, she may or may not make it

malinheader · 15-02-2019 11:31am

BobMc wrote: »

As others have said too, if she's no passport dont support her, let her attempt to make her own way, dont offer any assistance, she may or may not make it

I would nearly bet my house she will have no bother making it.

Galwayguy35 · 15-02-2019 11:32am

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

I think you may have misheard. The father came to the UK when she was 3.

Fair enough, I thought what he said was it was her came when she was 3

ollkiller · 15-02-2019 11:33am

Whatever your views on her coming back to England it's sad to see the various posters who have just said to either shoot her or kill her. In the article it says she is 9 months pregnant. If you are down with shooting a person who is 9 months pregnant you are no better than the Isis scum that you claim to hate.

Feisar · 15-02-2019 11:33am

CrankyHaus wrote: »

Ooohhh! When did the Edgelord train roll into the station?

Nothing edgy about it.

Giveaway · 15-02-2019 11:34am

ollkiller wrote: »

Whatever your views on her coming back to England it's sad to see the various posters who have just said to either shoot her or kill her. In the article it says she is 9 months pregnant. If you are down with shooting a person who is 9 months pregnant you are no better than the Isis scum that you claim to hate.

I dont think anybody is down with killing the baby. The baby can be fostered and after birth she can be examined by syrian courts

Feisar · 15-02-2019 11:35am

malinheader wrote: »

Even the thought of her being allowed back into the UK shows how soft and pathetic the west has become.

And be under no illusions there will be plenty of help and financial backing to get her back into the UK from certain minorities.

Let her go back to ISIS. I'm sure they will welcome her back the way she deserves.

Gangbang?

Wanderer78 · 15-02-2019 11:35am

ollkiller wrote:

Whatever your views on her coming back to England it's sad to see the various posters who have just said to either shoot her or kill her. In the article it says she is 9 months pregnant. If you are down with shooting a person who is 9 months pregnant you are no better than the Isis scum that you claim to hate.

Hang around for a while, plenty of sociopaths on here

RoboRat · 15-02-2019 11:40am

Perhaps she feels she must say that she still supports ISIS as if she says otherwise and is not allowed back, then she will be at their mercy...or lack thereof.

Or, if she gets back, she may still get killed for speaking out against them, plenty of radicals in the UK.

It's a hard one to call, if she genuinely supports ISIS then she should be left there as she will just end up being another bad apple.

ollkiller · 15-02-2019 11:42am

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Hang around for a while, plenty of sociopaths on here

Oh i've noticed. This after hours used to be funny. Now it's descended into another version of The Journal's comments section. But it's just a symptom of online use nowadays. Most normal people just don't bother posting on message boards as it's just not worth the hassle and the vitriol is something to behold. There's a lot of really angry people out there.

Giveaway wrote: »

I dont think anybody is down with killing the baby. The baby can be fostered and after birth she can be examined by syrian courts

Re read the thread. I was just replying to the comments which said kill her.

malinheader · 15-02-2019 11:43am

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Hang around for a while, plenty of sociopaths on here

Would she herself not be classed as a sociopath.

spurious · 15-02-2019 11:44am

I really hope I am never held to task over decisions I made when I was 15.

Wanderer78 · 15-02-2019 11:46am

malinheader wrote:

Would she herself not be classed as a sociopath.

Possibly, but my suspicious being a very naive young woman, and probably very scared right now, very complex I'd say, and very very messy, but it was always gonna be like this

ohnonotgmail · 15-02-2019 11:47am

BobMc wrote: »

As others have said too, if she's no passport dont support her, let her attempt to make her own way, dont offer any assistance, she may or may not make it

It is irrelevant if she no longer has her british passport. She is still a british citizen.

Ulysses Gaze · 15-02-2019 11:49am

Nice to see The Guardian has its finger on the pulse of public feeling...as usual

Shamima Begum is just a teenager. Britain should be strong enough to take her back

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/feb/14/shamima-begum-britain-isis-recruit

Shamima Begum was groomed. She deserves the chance of rehabilitation

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/feb/14/shamima-begum-grooming-islamic-state-pregnant-uk

ISIS people returning thread - no Lisa Smith talk (21/12/19)

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