The Steak Thread SEE OP

inforfun · 01-10-2015 11:14am

Just arrived in my email.
The picture, not the steak itself.

vicwatson · 01-10-2015 11:19am

Yessss, finally a bargain !!

_Tombstone_ · 01-10-2015 12:16pm

vicwatson wrote: »

Yessss, finally a bargain !!

The OP posted that 2 days ago?

Bandana boy · 01-10-2015 2:20pm

Claudia Flaky Tie wrote: »

Striploin is more expensive than sirloin.

You can't beat fillet though, a good one just melts in your mouth so good!!

Fillet Steak like Chicken breasts are some of the least flavoursome cuts .

Fine if you don’t particularly like the taste of meat or if you dress in sauce.

if you want flavour though always go for Rib eye or Striploin or if you have time to marinate before hand a really cheap cut like Beef cheeks are yum.

if you know how to cook a piece of top rib prepared right will match nearly any steak.

testaccount123 · 01-10-2015 2:33pm

Bandana boy wrote: »

Fillet Steak like Chicken breasts are some of the least flavoursome cuts .

Fine if you don’t particularly like the taste of meat or if you dress in sauce.

if you want flavour though always go for Rib eye or Striploin or if you have time to marinate before hand a really cheap cut like Beef cheeks are yum.

if you know how to cook a piece of top rib prepared right will match nearly any steak.

Very high quality 28 day aged fillet lightly seasoned and served RARE is full of flavour. It is not cheap though. People buy cheap fillet and overcook it then wonder what the fuss is.

Good rib-eye, while fantastic, has three or four times the amount of calories of fillet, you cant be eating it all the time.

tayto lover · 01-10-2015 2:49pm

testaccount123 wrote: »

Very high quality 28 day aged fillet lightly seasoned and served RARE is full of flavour. It is not cheap though. People buy cheap fillet and overcook it then wonder what the fuss is.

Good rib-eye, while fantastic, has three or four times the amount of calories of fillet, you cant be eating it all the time.

How do you know that?

inforfun · 01-10-2015 2:57pm

_Tombstone_ wrote: »

The OP posted that 2 days ago?

You are right. Sorry

Redgirl82 · 01-10-2015 2:59pm

firestarter51 wrote: »

http://www.musgravemarketplace.ie/_uploads/documents/510/MP-FS1510-01_FoodService_510_FINAL_LR2.pdf

Can a normal person buy from Musgraves? or is it not just shops?

DANNY2014 · 01-10-2015 3:03pm

Yummy rib eye calories here I come... Had new york style rib steaks recently and oh myyyy God was delicious it was slightly black in colour before cooking and the flavour was superb... want to try some cheaper cuts of steak such as Chuck or butchers steak meant to have nice marbling so meant to be tender...

Muahahaha · 01-10-2015 3:35pm

beardybrewer wrote: »

A few people are grumbling about the lack of bargain talk. Often I see specials in the paper like T-bone normally €22.99/kg now €15.40/kg and don't really know how good a deal that is compared to other shops. Maybe a table showing steak type and price per kg would help. Of course, there are lots of factors other than price but as a guide to a good bargain maybe it would help.

I'm not sure of normal T-bone prices per kg but do I know my local butcher has rib eye steaks at €24 a kilo which seems to be a ball park price in most butchers for this cut of meat. €24/kg works out at €6 for a 250g steak. So when Lidl come along offering two 225g rib eye steaks for €6 then it is most certainly a bargain.

My butchers rib eyes are definitely tastier than what Lidl have, however they are not twice as tasty so for this week at least I'm stocking up on a few packets of the Lidl rib eyes while they are at rock bottom prices, effectively 50% cheaper than you'll find them in many butchers.

Muahahaha · 01-10-2015 3:40pm

Redgirl82 wrote: »

Can a normal person buy from Musgraves? or is it not just shops?

AFAIK you can, however if you dont have a VAT number then they'll have to charge you the VAT. So find out if their quoted prices are ex.VAT in case you get a shock at the checkout

Tefral · 01-10-2015 3:52pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

AFAIK you can, however if you dont have a VAT number then they'll have to charge you the VAT. So find out if their quoted prices are ex.VAT in case you get a shock at the checkout

No you need to create an account with them first as a business.

Saying that anyone that is a sole trader, your PPS number is your VAT number.

You then pay as cash, but you need a number/card before they will leave you past the door.

Idioteque · 01-10-2015 4:11pm

cronin_j wrote: »

No you need to create an account with them first as a business.

Saying that anyone that is a sole trader, your PPS number is your VAT number.

You then pay as cash, but you need a number/card before they will leave you past the door.

Just a heads up for anyone that comes to this thread....your PPS number is NOT your VAT number. If you're a sole trader and plan to earn below a certain yearly threshold you don't have to register for VAT but you use your PPS number as a tax reg no. If you want to avail of paying for things 'Ex Vat' you need to register for VAT and then you charge your customers the VAT.

01-10-2015 4:13pm

Bandana boy wrote: »

Fillet Steak like Chicken breasts are some of the least flavoursome cuts .

Fine if you don’t particularly like the taste of meat or if you dress in sauce.

if you want flavour though always go for Rib eye or Striploin or if you have time to marinate before hand a really cheap cut like Beef cheeks are yum.

if you know how to cook a piece of top rib prepared right will match nearly any steak.

I very much disagree the flavour of fillet is superior to other cuts, its absolutely delicious! I wound never let sauce near fillet but would sometime (on the side) with other cuts. There is something about rib eye that I'm not too gone on and while its nice I'd prefer a good sirlion or striplion but they just don't compare to fillet in texture or flavour. That said due to the price I usually have sirlion or striplion week in week out and fillet is a treat.

Bandana boy · 01-10-2015 4:34pm

Claudia Flaky Tie wrote: »

I very much disagree the flavour of fillet is superior to other cuts, its absolutely delicious! I wound never let sauce near fillet but would sometime (on the side) with other cuts. There is something about rib eye that I'm not too gone on and while its nice I'd prefer a good sirlion or striplion but they just don't compare to fillet in texture or flavour. That said due to the price I usually have sirlion or striplion week in week out and fillet is a treat.

you can absolutely prefer Fillet to other cuts and think the flavour is superior. There is no wrong answer to what do you prefer ,every Man,Woman and child know their own taste buds best .

That said it is though without dispute a very bland flavoured cut , that though suits a lot of people. Sure many people love steak/beef well done which imo is removing alot of the flavour from the meat .

Bandana boy · 01-10-2015 4:39pm

testaccount123 wrote: »

Very high quality 28 day aged fillet lightly seasoned and served RARE is full of flavour. It is not cheap though. People buy cheap fillet and overcook it then wonder what the fuss is.

Good rib-eye, while fantastic, has three or four times the amount of calories of fillet, you cant be eating it all the time.

Good quality Fillet Steak is great
Yet still less flavour than the equivalent cut of Ribeye and Striploin.
As I said earlier I have no problem with you prefering fillet steak , but it is without doubt a blander cut.

I will not have qty of calories in a discusion about taste of Steaks it has no place , shame on you sir shame on you.

magentis · 01-10-2015 4:42pm

No misteak about it,this is a great thread.

vicwatson · 01-10-2015 4:45pm

_Tombstone_ wrote: »

The OP posted that 2 days ago?

Yes Im aware, 5 pages in and no more steak bargains, just chat about food:p

martyos121 · 01-10-2015 4:54pm

magentis wrote: »

No misteak about it,this is a great thread.

Indeed it is, threads this well done are quite rare these days. We must fillet with bargains.

I'll see myself out.

01-10-2015 4:57pm

Bandana boy wrote: »

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That said it is though without dispute a very bland flavoured cut , that though suits a lot of people. Sure many people love steak/beef well done which imo is removing alot of the flavour from the meat .

Why is it considered the best cut of meat so and is far more expensive than the other cuts?

I consider a fillet more flavorsome than a sirlion/striplion etc. A thick fillet cooked medium-rare has more flavour than the cheaper cuts and it melts in your mouth as its so tender.

mayordenis · 01-10-2015 5:05pm

Claudia Flaky Tie wrote: »

Why is it considered the best cut of meat so and is far more expensive than the other cuts?

I consider a fillet more flavorsome than a sirlion/striplion etc. A thick fillet cooked medium-rare has more flavour than the cheaper cuts and it melts in your mouth as its so tender.

I guess because there was a huge move towards lean meat in most of the western world. Fillet being generally extremely lean made it more popular.

I think there is a massive difference in flavour between rib eye and fillet.

While I agree there is no right answer to which is better, I could equally ask why is it that all those celebrity chefs favour rib eye over fillet etc.

Bandana boy · 01-10-2015 5:10pm

Claudia Flaky Tie wrote: »

Why is it considered the best cut of meat so and is far more expensive than the other cuts?

I consider a fillet more flavorsome than a sirlion/striplion etc. A thick fillet cooked medium-rare has more flavour than the cheaper cuts and it melts in your mouth as its so tender.

It is because it is considered the best cut that it is more expensive -Supply versus demand

couple of reasons why it is considered "better" by the majority

It looks more attractive , both raw and cooked
It is easier to cook
It is more consistent than other cuts
A cheap fillet steak from an old cow or something will still be ok
Cooked badly it still tastes good
A lot of people don’t actually like to much flavour in their meat.

But ask any meat expert/Chef or meat enthusiasts about flavour they will tell you fillet is bland

Same with really cheap and difficult to cook cuts like beef cheeks

Same applies to Chicken breasts , but I defy anybody to make a curry or casserole with thigh meat and tell me that it is nicer with breasts
Yet thigh meat is 3/4 the price per KG than Breasts.

01-10-2015 5:20pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

AFAIK you can, however if you dont have a VAT number then they'll have to charge you the VAT. So find out if their quoted prices are ex.VAT in case you get a shock at the checkout

They have to charge everyone VAT, like every business surely. VAT registered folk may claim the VAT back as applicable.

They won't sell to you unless you have an account.

Tarzana2 · 01-10-2015 5:25pm

Claudia Flaky Tie wrote: »

Why is it considered the best cut of meat so and is far more expensive than the other cuts?

Simply because it's the most tender cut. It's not the most flavoursome.

Chicken breasts are the most expensive cut of chicken. Are they the most flavoursome part of the bird?

testaccount123 · 01-10-2015 6:09pm

Bandana boy wrote: »

But ask any meat expert/Chef or meat enthusiasts about flavour they will tell you fillet is bland

You are eating the wrong fillet if you think it is bland. Its flavour is more subtle than other cuts of beef, yes, but its texture is sublime. Im going to do some carpaccio at the weekend, cant wait.

Picked up two Angus Rib-Eyes from Aldi on the way home, a bargain at 11.49 any day of the week.

draiochtanois · 01-10-2015 6:12pm

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Dubl07 · 01-10-2015 6:50pm

draiochtanois wrote: »

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Interesting. I've four well-used cast iron pans of various sizes that are just too heavy for me these days. A bit tempted - let us know what you think.

tayto lover · 01-10-2015 8:52pm

I'm after going and buying 12 packets (24) rib-eye steaks in Lidl.
72 euro and steaks for a good few days. Put 11 packets in the freezer and will eat the other two over the weekend. Missus doesn't like steak.

Muahahaha · 01-10-2015 10:06pm

mayordenis wrote: »

I guess because there was a huge move towards lean meat in most of the western world. Fillet being generally extremely lean made it more popular.

I think there is a massive difference in flavour between rib eye and fillet.

While I agree there is no right answer to which is better, I could equally ask why is it that all those celebrity chefs favour rib eye over fillet etc.

I'd agree with you there. Rib eye cuts tend to have marbling with the steak having one or two narrow slivers of fat running through it. When pan frying this fat gets rendered and spreads its flavour into the meat. It means that some forkfuls of ribeye are just the meat whereas others are a combination of meat and fat which gives your taste buds far more flavour.

As for tenderness there's no doubt that fillet steak is the more tender cut. However that doesn't mean rib eye or any other steak isnt tender. In my experience tenderness is not only a function of the actual cut but also how you prepare it and cook it. I never knew up till a couple of years back the importance of taking a steak out of the fridge 30 minutes before cooking to allow it to come to room temperature before going into the pan. I also didn't know the importance of resting a steak after cooking which I now know is the secret to ensuring your steak can re-absorb its own juices and be the most tender it can possibly be on your plate. Those two stages alone improve any steak considerably over not doing them and just slapping it straight from fridge to pan to plate.

In any case the most tender cut of beef Ive ever cooked regularly is not fillet but rather beef cheeks. When cooked low and slow over three hours beef cheeks just melt in your mouth. It is a really tough cut to begin with but when cooked correctly it turns to jelly and has a sublime mouth feel to it. Beef cheeks are also dirt cheap, my butcher does them for €8 a kilo which is a bargain given how amazing they are when cooked slowly.

tayto lover wrote: »

I'm after going and buying 12 packets (24) rib-eye steaks in Lidl.
72 euro and steaks for a good few days. Put 11 packets in the freezer and will eat the other two over the weekend. Missus doesn't like steak.

Time for a username change tayto lover ? :pac:

Got 6 of the Lidl rib eyes in the freezer myself, might add another few before the offer finishes up on Sunday

C.K Dexter Haven · 01-10-2015 10:18pm

Skirt-steak is the way to go- the fact that very few people know how to cook this particular steak (fast and furious) means it remains cheap- happy days- it's one of the tastiest pieces of beef you'll have.

Silverbling · 01-10-2015 10:27pm

Got 6 of the Lidl rib eyes in the freezer myself, might add another few before the offer finishes up on Sunday[/QUOTE]

I threw them on the bbq last night, they were just delicious, I got a tip years ago, blast the bbq up to full then when it is 400 degrees turn the middle plate off and put the steaks on leaving the other 2 plates at full

They cook with indirect heat and taste amazing

killbillvol2 · 01-10-2015 11:46pm

Claudia Flaky Tie wrote: »

Why is it considered the best cut of meat so and is far more expensive than the other cuts?

I consider a fillet more flavorsome than a sirlion/striplion etc. A thick fillet cooked medium-rare has more flavour than the cheaper cuts and it melts in your mouth as its so tender.

That's just plain wrong.

uck51js9zml2yt · 01-10-2015 11:48pm

You can't beat a top rib roast

_Tombstone_ · 02-10-2015 12:02am

Ah shure, ye're all going round in circles.

uck51js9zml2yt · 02-10-2015 8:55am

_Tombstone_ wrote: »

Ah shure, ye're all going round in circles.

Everyone has a stake in this thread at this stage. Let the circling continue

Gets coat!

Doodah7 · 02-10-2015 9:35am

Surely this thread belongs in the food and drink forum??? Six pages and eff all bargains... simply a discussion over which type of steak people prefer and how to cook it...

fepper · 02-10-2015 9:43am

tallpaul wrote: »

Surely this thread belongs in the food and drink forum??? Six pages and eff all bargains... simply a discussion over which type of people prefer and how to cook it...

Never read the food and drink forum but know everything about steak now on this forum thanks

Uncle_moe · 02-10-2015 9:45am

Muahahaha wrote: »

I never knew up till a couple of years back the importance of taking a steak out of the fridge 30 minutes before cooking to allow it to come to room temperature before going into the pan.

This actually doesn't really do a whole lot, 30 mins doesn't raise the temp much at all as you can see from here: http://www.seriouseats.com/2013/06/the-food-lab-7-old-wives-tales-about-cooking-steak.html

One thing I do find helps is salting the beef 24 hours in advance. Plenty of salt on it and put it in the fridge on a wire rack for at least a day, maybe 2 if you think that far in advance. More salt before cooking and you really get better flavour.

TomCo · 02-10-2015 9:55am

Uncle_moe wrote: »

This actually doesn't really do a whole lot, 30 mins doesn't raise the temp much at all as you can see from here: http://www.seriouseats.com/2013/06/the-food-lab-7-old-wives-tales-about-cooking-steak.html

One thing I do find helps is salting the beef 24 hours in advance. Plenty of salt on it and put it in the fridge on a wire rack for at least a day, maybe 2 if you think that far in advance. More salt before cooking and you really get better flavour.

I've read that an hour is enough time for the juices to be reabsorbed, any less than that and the meat will just be wet and hard to sear because salt draws out the moisture.

I just dry the outside of the steak on both sides with paper towel and throw some salt on it just before going in the pan

firestarter51 · 02-10-2015 10:35am

Wez wrote: »

For anyone with access, Musgraves offer 5 huge fillet steaks for €35.. Not a special offer, but they tend to always be in stock.

Just back from Botswana, where a 750 gram T-bone (26.5 Oz) was €12 in a nice restaurant.

Mush raves is very good for steak that's why I linked the page earlier
Sometimes they have offers on to
Flank steak is usually €4.50!- kilo
If you know what to do with it then that is a serious bargain

testaccount123 · 02-10-2015 10:46am

TomCo wrote: »

I've read that an hour is enough time for the juices to be reabsorbed, any less than that and the meat will just be wet and hard to sear because salt draws out the moisture.

I just dry the outside of the steak on both sides with paper towel and throw some salt on it just before going in the pan

I dont get this, are you talking about the meat re-absorbing its juices before cooking?

Good dry aged beef is dry to the touch already

draiochtanois · 02-10-2015 11:31am

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_Tombstone_ · 02-10-2015 12:46pm

draiochtanois wrote: »

Personally I think Hereford beef is superior to Angus.

Ah now.....i'd take a bet that you wouldn't tell the difference, il give ya good odds.

This is like the lads on the restaurant show trying to guess the wines. Not a clue.

TomCo · 02-10-2015 1:04pm

testaccount123 wrote: »

I dont get this, are you talking about the meat re-absorbing its juices before cooking?

Good dry aged beef is dry to the touch already

Yeah, if you leave salt on a "wet aged" steak for a few minutes it starts drawing out the moisture.

Wouldn't be seeing many good dry aged steaks on bargain alerts

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vicwatson · 02-10-2015 4:36pm

Irish Flat Iron Steaks 300g - Lidl Thurs 8th Oct - Sun 11th Oct - € 3.00

tayto lover · 02-10-2015 5:08pm

vicwatson wrote: »

Irish Flat Iron Steaks 300g - Lidl Thurs 8th Oct - Sun 11th Oct - € 3.00

Good value. That's 10.5 ounces.

rob316 · 02-10-2015 5:15pm

vicwatson wrote: »

Irish Flat Iron Steaks 300g - Lidl Thurs 8th Oct - Sun 11th Oct - € 3.00

Oh my god yes, my absolute favourite steak. That's a ridiculous price for it, its usually €4.99

Tea 1000 · 02-10-2015 5:16pm

Dubl07 wrote: »

Aldi does Angus beef, Lidl does Hereford. I much prefer Angus.

I prefer Hereford, more flavour but Angus is more popular because they are ready for the butcher earlier - more profit!

Bandana boy wrote: »

It is because it is considered the best cut that it is more expensive -Supply versus demand

couple of reasons why it is considered "better" by the majority

It looks more attractive , both raw and cooked
It is easier to cook
It is more consistent than other cuts
A cheap fillet steak from an old cow or something will still be ok
Cooked badly it still tastes good
A lot of people don’t actually like to much flavour in their meat.

But ask any meat expert/Chef or meat enthusiasts about flavour they will tell you fillet is bland

Same with really cheap and difficult to cook cuts like beef cheeks

Same applies to Chicken breasts , but I defy anybody to make a curry or casserole with thigh meat and tell me that it is nicer with breasts
Yet thigh meat is 3/4 the price per KG than Breasts.

True, I usually go for Fillet in some place that I'm not sure of, because it'll generally be good, but if I know a place is really good for steak then I'll go Rib eye or striploin or sirloin.
T-Bone for the win though!

The Steak Thread SEE OP

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