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Sam Bennett - no same day spoilers

  • 15-10-2013 2:20pm
    #1
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 77,510 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭


    Signs for NetApp Endura

    Delighted to see him get himself sorted after his storming finish to the season (as well as earlier in the season with his performances in the Ras)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭gordongekko


    Beasty wrote: »
    Signs for NetApp Endura

    Delighted to see him get himself sorted after his storming finish to the season (as well as earlier in the season with his performances in the Ras)

    delighted for him. We could be entering a new golden era for Irish cycling.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,832 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    Exciting times ahead hopefully!


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,668 Mod ✭✭✭✭RobFowl


    Delighted for him, good team and should get chances to shine.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭ZiabR


    Great news for him, we have a few good riders on the main scene now. Great for the sport.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,625 ✭✭✭happytramp


    This is a good team for him. A team with a good focus on the classics/semi-classics but also a firm fixture at the shorter stage races. He's good on the hills too so hopefully plenty of opportunity to shine in reduced bunch sprints.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 194 ✭✭slow


    Sam's inclusion on the team will certainly strengthen NetApp Endura's claim for a wild card entry in the Giro. Leo Koenig won a stage in the Vuelta, so they are now competitive at the highest level. And Sam has a good record on stage finishes in North Dublin...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,625 ✭✭✭happytramp


    slow wrote: »
    Sam's inclusion on the team will certainly strengthen NetApp Endura's claim for a wild card entry in the Giro.

    Was sort of hoping for that too but it being the Giro they'll probably just take Italian Pro-Continental teams. (although Netapp they were there in 2012, so fingers crossed)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,526 ✭✭✭✭Darkglasses


    happytramp wrote: »
    Was sort of hoping for that too but it being the Giro they'll probably just take Italian Pro-Continental teams. (although Netapp they were there in 2012, so fingers crossed)

    They've room for 4 Pro-Conti teams, so they can take the three Italians plus Net-App. Or they can drop Vini Fantini (possibility due to Santambrogio and Di Luca's doping last year), and take both Colombia/Iam cycling and Netapp.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,298 ✭✭✭dave_o_brien


    They've room for 4 Pro-Conti teams, so they can take the three Italians plus Net-App. Or they can drop Vini Fantini (possibility due to Santambrogio and Di Luca's doping last year), and take both Colombia/Iam cycling and Netapp.

    United Healthcare? In my opinion, it's only fair for them to invite UHC, Net-APP, Sean Kelly-Chain Reaction and Cofidis (on the condition that they sign Lavery).


  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 77,510 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    United Healthcare? In my opinion, it's only fair for them to invite UHC, Net-APP, Sean Kelly-Chain Reaction and Cofidis (on the condition that they sign Lavery).
    I suspect SK Chain Reaction may have a little difficulty filling that roster as well as one for the Ras which will presumably be held when the Giro in on;)

    Good interview with Sam by Shane Stokes on Velonation


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,298 ✭✭✭dave_o_brien


    Beasty wrote: »
    I suspect SK Chain Reaction may have a little difficulty filling that roster as well as one for the Ras which will presumably be held when the Giro in on;)

    I've an idea: combine the Giro with the Ras.

    You're welcome, world.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,511 ✭✭✭dave2pvd


    slow wrote: »
    Sam's inclusion on the team will certainly strengthen NetApp Endura's claim for a wild card entry in the Giro.

    I wonder how much difference this makes.

    I suspect the notion of having an Irish rider on a team strengthening their case for inclusion is not the case. Unless selection of said team results in a financial upside for the organizers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,625 ✭✭✭happytramp


    Great news for NetApp getting their first invite to the Tour and the Criterium De Dauphine. Possible appearance for Sam? We'll get to see him in Qatar and Oman next month anyway.


  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,269 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    Net-App Endura have a nice collection of wildcards now for 2014:

    Milan - San Remo
    Tirreno - Adriatico
    Giro di Lombardia
    Critérium du Dauphiné
    Tour de France

    Some great opportunities there for Bennett if he has a good year. Doing even one of these races would be a big step up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,457 ✭✭✭✭dastardly00


    Fantastic opportunities for Bennett!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,526 ✭✭✭✭Darkglasses


    Clasica Almeria Spoilers
    Sam's got his first win of the year :D held off the likes of Valverde, JJ Rojas, Lobato and Jerome Coppel at the finish

    Classification - http://www.procyclingstats.com/race/Clasica_de_Almeria_2014

    Photos -

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bhu5gwpIUAAkzCQ.jpg

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bhu_WTzIUAA8vKM.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,526 ✭✭✭✭Darkglasses




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,451 ✭✭✭TheBlaaMan


    Sam has gone and done it again.... he's just won Rund Um Koln in Germany beating the likes of Ciolek in a photo-finish.
    I bet NetApp are hoping that their contract with him is watertight for 2015.......he is sure to be getting a lot of interest from other/bigger teams.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,606 ✭✭✭MPFG


    I hope he stay with NetApp for a while....better than going to a big team and having to work for someone else or be a lead out man

    Plenty time for him to hit the big time when he is good a ready


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 23,231 Mod ✭✭✭✭godtabh


    TheBlaaMan wrote: »
    Sam has gone and done it again.... he's just won Rund Um Koln in Germany beating the likes of Ciolek in a photo-finish.
    I bet NetApp are hoping that their contract with him is watertight for 2015.......he is sure to be getting a lot of interest from other/bigger teams.

    Just saw a reply of the finish and what a finish. It looked like he had no support except a team mate who popped his head up way back in the group. Bennett did fantastic make.up.those few metres to win by a wisker


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,741 ✭✭✭Dr. Bre


    great result !


  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 77,510 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Looked at the team yesterday and saw they were trying out a couple of young German sprinters, so although the team may have been supporting Bennett it was not at its strongest in terms of lead-out men

    Some initial comment from him here

    And with German commentry



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,451 ✭✭✭TheBlaaMan


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,606 ✭✭✭MPFG


    Its a pity he is not riding the Giro......could have seen an Irish stage winner on Irish soil...now that would have been good


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,426 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    Beasty wrote: »
    Looked at the team yesterday and saw they were trying out a couple of young German sprinters, so although the team may have been supporting Bennett it was not at its strongest in terms of lead-out men

    Some initial comment from him here

    And with German commentry


    See the Belkin lad in the background going mad as the leadout was too early. Some effort by Sam though seeing as he was totally on his own.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,153 ✭✭✭Glass Prison 1214


    A great win for Sam. He really is having an excellent year so far.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,741 ✭✭✭Dr. Bre


    Sam was 2nd in the Pro race of Berlin today


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,323 ✭✭✭Max_Charger




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,625 ✭✭✭happytramp



    Based on performance this season he'd be very close to the top of that list. But they're probably reluctant to throw a very talented neo pro into that circus to soon.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,457 ✭✭✭✭dastardly00



    From reading the statement, if Leopold König is fit, then there might not be room for a sprinter (Sam) in the final squad. But Sam does have the team's two victories this season to his name so he definitely deserves to go to the TdF.

    Sam is riding in the World Ports Classic at the weekend, and then the Bayern Rundfahrt the week after.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭Bikerbhoy


    From reading the statement, if Leopold König is fit, then there might not be room for a sprinter (Sam) in the final squad. But Sam does have the team's two victories this season to his name so he definitely deserves to go to the TdF.

    No doubting Sams success so far this season but there is a difference between what he deserves and what he is ready for.....as much as Id love to see him at this years tour Im not sure it would be the best decision for him this year .... however in saying that it is Sam we are talking about here. . . exciting times......


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭gordongekko


    Bikerbhoy wrote: »
    No doubting Sams success so far this season but there is a difference between what he deserves and what he is ready for.....as much as Id love to see him at this years tour Im not sure it would be the best decision for him this year .... however in saying that it is Sam we are talking about here. . . exciting times......

    If he's good enough he's old enough. And it sure looks like he's good enough


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭Bikerbhoy


    If he's good enough he's old enough. And it sure looks like he's good enough

    Realistically there is a little bit more to it than that . . .


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,965 ✭✭✭connachta


    Come on! Machado is the only one who could help Koenig into climbing! what about the 7 others? How many riders escaped finishes stages in front during the Tour? 4 or 5! Chance for Net-App to be top 10, just 1 time?? 5/10 % Whereas with Sam, even if he quits after the 1st week, it's 3 or 4 top 10 guaranted!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,606 ✭✭✭MPFG


    I imagine Net App want Koenig to win a stage if not 2 ....he has a great finish esp on the medium mountains and thus will need support ...If they bring Sam he will have no train and will have to do it himself...I hope they take him as the experience will be invaluable ...so he can maybe in a few years win stages


  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 77,510 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    First season racing at this level - so far he has done incredibly well, but to now go into a 3 week Grand Tour would be a hell of a leap. I personally think he would be better off sitting this out/being left out this year. He's done particularly well in some one day races this year and there will be plenty of opportunity to develop his ability to compete at Grand Tour level over the next year or two. However goung into the Tour now and dropping out after a week or so may do more damage than good and potentially limit furture opportunities at that level.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭gordongekko


    But if it's part of the plan for him to do maybe 10 days and he only does 8 days it's hardly going to effect his development.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,965 ✭✭✭connachta


    But if it's part of the plan for him to do maybe 10 days and he only does 8 days it's hardly going to effect his development.

    Exacly, and psychologicaly it's far better for him to finish top 10 behind Caven, Kittel etc, than 2nd or 3rd on secondary rides

    To compare: Cavendish 1st Tour de France at 22, he fell, he also quit the next one after 15 days to avoid mountain. Is he "damaged" or the best in the word?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭gordongekko


    connachta wrote: »
    Exacly, and psychologicaly it's far better for him to finish top 10 behind Caven, Kittel etc, than 2nd or 3rd on secondary rides

    To compare: Cavendish 1st Tour de France at 22, he fell, he also quit the next one after 15 days to avoid mountain. Is he "damaged" or the best in the word?


    He's only top 3 :-) kittel is better and sagan has more style :-)


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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,965 ✭✭✭connachta


    Agree, but don't broke my rhetorical effect! ^^


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,606 ✭✭✭MPFG


    If he's good enough he's old enough. And it sure looks like he's good enough

    I agree totally ...

    Bennett is 24 this year ...how much older does he need to be start at this level

    Boy Van Poppel rode his first Grand Tour last year at 19 ....and left after 10 days I think

    What age was Kittle , Bouhanni, Cav , Petacchi etc when they rode there first Grand Tour

    How many 24 year olds (or younger) are riding the Giro at present ...and how many very high on GC ...quite a few

    If he wants to be up there wining at 27 then he needs to start now

    Its not like he needs to do the last difficult week


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,965 ✭✭✭connachta


    For everyone interested in Sam, World ports classic today with Griepel!


  • Registered Users Posts: 83 ✭✭circler


    I see he finished 23rd. Any reports online yet?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,606 ✭✭✭MPFG


    circler wrote: »
    I see he finished 23rd. Any reports online yet?

    Haven't seen any reports just a tweet from sam sayign he messed up in some corner or other


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,965 ✭✭✭connachta


    Benett fifth today, good sprint for him


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭gordongekko


    4th today in Bayern Rundfahrt opener


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭gordongekko


    4th today in Bayern Rundfahrt opener

    Short highlights

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VgOoPbDS88o


  • Registered Users Posts: 83 ✭✭circler


    Jensie's Diary is up too. (Still can't post links so apols): youtube.com/watch?v=ioBl5_OrRsY


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,457 ✭✭✭✭dastardly00


    Another great ride by Sam in Stage 2 of Bayern Rundfahrt.

    Yes he did come 2nd last (127th) ... but it was a summit finish.
    Impressively, he won the first two intermediate sprints (and he managed a second place in a KOM). He now lies in second place in the sprint classification.

    Stage 3 today is relatively flat with a couple of small uncategorised bumps at the end. I don't think it's tough enough to drop the sprinters, but I could be wrong.


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