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17-01-2021, 00:39   #46
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Strange, I was talking to a pal earlier who lives in Broadway and works in Rosslare Harbour and he said its getting busy and there is considerable concern about the ability of the road network to cope when normal freight levels return.

I'm quite sure the people in Kilrane and Tagoat and Killinick will be concerned.

Time to get the M11/M25 final section plotted and built asap.
Won’t happen for years

No concern about the road network
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I used to work on the French route 20 years ago, and whilst the English ships would berth in bad weather, the French boat always went out in it, that's the thing about Rosslare, it's a deep sea harbour, in bad weather when the UK boats tied up, we had to steam up the Irish Sea and wait and let the bad weather pass, and when it came to turning the ship, we had to ring down to the restaurants to give them a warning.

Rosslare will be fine, if they schedule it right, and so far it looks like they are covering themselves regarding the existing schedules.

I was speaking to my brother who's a truck driver and has been on the DFDS boats, and he's saying that the French route is fully subscribed, he also mentioned that there is way loads more of Northern Irish reg Hauliers using the route who would have normally used landbridge.

Have to say it's great to see Rosslare flourish.
Totally agree about flourishing, I just know the way it is exposed and with so many extra new vessels, and then the pressure not to be the one that says I'm not going in today. I just hope they've thought ahead that's all regarding risk assessments for having so many ships down there.
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Won’t happen for years

No concern about the road network
With 40 odd sailings per week to the Continent alone once things get fully up to speed, on top of the return of private tourist traffic using these services, I really don't know how you can say that. Not just the capacity of the roads, but the safety aspects and road surface deterioration as well as insufficient stacking space in the Harbour.

Putting your head in the sand about all of this is just foolish.
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Look at the A55 in Anglesey. A road that was for years a problem with traffic to and from the port, until it was upgraded to a dual carriageway. If the current levels of freight are continued and then once passenger traffic returns, anyone saying it's grand is deluding themselves. Why are there long-standing plans to upgrade the road before the recent boom if the current road capacity is fine?
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Thankfully plans are afoot to improve the access to/from the port (it was posted in another thread)

https://oilgate2rosslareharbour.ie
(watch the video, it's great)

And it looks like they are going about it the right way, looking for input from all the stakeholders.
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Thankfully plans are afoot to improve the access to/from the port (it was posted in another thread)

https://oilgate2rosslareharbour.ie
(watch the video, it's great)

And it looks like they are going about it the right way, looking for input from all the stakeholders.
I must watch that video again next time I have trouble sleeping.
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With 40 odd sailings per week to the Continent alone once things get fully up to speed, on top of the return of private tourist traffic using these services, I really don't know how you can say that. Not just the capacity of the roads, but the safety aspects and road surface deterioration as well as insufficient stacking space in the Harbour.

Putting your head in the sand about all of this is just foolish.
Making up numbers to make out there is some impending crisis is equally foolish.

Where are you getting 40 continental sailings from? there are less than 20 a week (6 DFDS, 6 Stena, 1 Brittany to France, 2 Brittany to Spain). On average only 1.5 extra sailings a day on previous Rosslare numbers.

If, and it is a big if, the shift away from ROI-UK traffic is permanent it will also mean a reduction in traffic for the 4 daily Rosslare-UK sailings or even a reduction in those sailings/routes.

A plan is already in place to provide a new freight access and handling to the port to the north of the current route bypassing the harbour village.

It is way too soon to know how much traffic will permanently route directly to the continent and how much shipping will be needed to sustain it, these extra services may not all survive long term.
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Another "We're gonna need a bigger boat" feeling comes to pass in Rosslare Harbour...

https://twitter.com/Rosslareuroport/...13637122318337
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It's interesting that for years Cork struggled to get a functioning cruise ferry on the Cork-Roscoff route (summer only) and was looking forward to an upgrade, when the newer ferries were reshuffled, then in the space of a few weeks, Rosslare gets Cap straight from full refit??
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It's interesting that for years Cork struggled to get a functioning cruise ferry on the Cork-Roscoff route (summer only) and was looking forward to an upgrade, when the newer ferries were reshuffled, then in the space of a few weeks, Rosslare gets Cap straight from full refit??
In fairness the Pont Aven is not a shabby boat though!
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In fairness the Pont Aven is not a shabby boat though!
No, but there are better ships doing shorter routes within the company.
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Wonder if theres extra demand beyond whats available now for Ireland France will Rosslare struggle for capacity and see that demand being passed back to Dublin or onto Cork.
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No, but there are better ships doing shorter routes within the company.
It might be interesting but its not surprising. Putting Cap F on the Rosslare service makes absolute sense from every perspective. Shorter crossing, huge freight demand so always high load factor, the route will be massively profitable.

Cork is just a seasonal tourist route really. Families heading to campsites in France.
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It might be interesting but its not surprising. Putting Cap F on the Rosslare service makes absolute sense from every perspective. Shorter crossing, huge freight demand so always high load factor, the route will be massively profitable.
Cap Finestre is only covering Rosslare for a few weeks while Connemara fills in on their Poole service which is constrained by size limits in Poole Harbour.

Even though it is a larger ship and has better passenger facilities Cap has a lower freight capacity than Connemara.
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It might be interesting but its not surprising. Putting Cap F on the Rosslare service makes absolute sense from every perspective. Shorter crossing, huge freight demand so always high load factor, the route will be massively profitable.

Cork is just a seasonal tourist route really. Families heading to campsites in France.
Not sure that there is a huge difference time wise.
Cork very annoyed that the Spain link was pulled with such short notice. Local relationship with BF suffered as a result.
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