Fake watch busters

oxocube · 25-05-2018 1:13pm

HDMI wrote: »

Someday a really good fake will appear on adverts with a high price and none of us will catch it. The buyer will get burned badly, not sure how we can stop it from happening.

If I could afford to buy a real Patek or AP I wouldn't have my assistant trawling through Adverts for a good second hand one

I get what you're saying though. A good fake Rulex, Omaga or Tag Hewer at the right price could throw you.

Time · 25-05-2018 1:34pm

oxocube wrote: »

If I could afford to buy a real Patek or AP I wouldn't have my assistant trawling through Adverts for a good second hand one

I get what you're saying though. A good fake Rulex, Omaga or Tag Hewer at the right price could throw you.

If youre in the market for a genuine AP, Patek, Rolex etc... you’d better be doing due diligence

saccades · 27-05-2018 9:41pm

OmegaGene wrote: »

https://www.adverts.ie/15512040

Ffs, that's terrific - the brass neck on that claim.

Eoin · 27-05-2018 10:06pm

saccades wrote: »

Ffs, that's terrific - the brass neck on that claim.

Screenshot for posterity

Homer · 28-05-2018 3:09pm

I will let the good folk here make up their own mind on this one..

Price was in the right ballpark.. seller has decent feedback on adverts.
However, my spidey senses were tingling so I decided to investigate a little further.. made an offer to take it to PM.. asked them for date and location of purchase, service history and that I would only be interested if they could get a valuation/cert of authenticity from a reputable dealer.
Then we get the stories about how its belonging to their fiancé.. mom lost the paperwork...

Bought it for €4500 but cant remember where and wants to swap it for a car

Then after a few more questions from me the fiance changed their mind and is going to keep it. He really loves the watch and cant let it go :rolleyes:

https://www.adverts.ie/dress/tag-heuer-carrera/15470713

saccades · 01-06-2018 10:46pm

OmegaGene wrote: »

https://www.adverts.ie/15544345

They are like buses lol
This one is a very good copy
Didn’t know there was such a thing

There are two forums that update the web address of one firm that churns out any and every luxury watch brand at a really high quality at about 600usd. It periodically gets shut down I presume by firms and lawyers.

You can get Seiko copies too.

saccades · 02-06-2018 6:10pm

OmegaGene wrote: »

I know that I was taking the pi55 that the seller said it’s a very good copy
Imo any copy is a ****ter and should be smashed on sight

Fair enough, was tad drunk.

Time · 03-06-2018 2:35am

OmegaGene wrote: »

https://www.adverts.ie/15551653

Hmmm

Definitely fake, giveaways are the back, especially the movement with the screw in the middle. Bezel is not right either and the numbers on it are way off, can’t see the lugs clearly but from what I can see the entire bracelet is also junk

Time · 04-06-2018 10:07pm

https://www.adverts.ie/15565180

€500 for a AP Royal Oak in rose gold. It’s like they weren’t even trying with that caseback

sharkman · 04-06-2018 10:20pm

Time wrote: »

https://www.adverts.ie/15565180

€500 for a AP Royal Oak in rose gold. It’s like they weren’t even trying with that caseback

Are we allowed a bit of fun before nuking ?

Eoin · 04-06-2018 10:29pm

SCREENSHOTS PLEASE PEOPLE!!

Spocker · 04-06-2018 11:22pm

Eoin wrote: »

SCREENSHOTS PLEASE PEOPLE!!

You didn't get this from me....

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NTRlYTI0NWRlZjhmNzcxYjU1NzM4ZWIyNGIzZWEyYjNfEZPxMjPbMmTtE7R9VVvvaHR0cDovL21lZGlhLmFkc2ltZy5jb20vZDU4NDE5NzRlY2RjZDdlNzRkY2YxOGUxZDA4NGVkNTVjMmVkNzU5NmQxZDMzYzQzNzE2ZDJjZDAzYzVkY2M2Ni5qcGd8fHx8fHwyOTN4NTI1fGh0dHA6Ly93d3cuYWR2ZXJ0cy5pZS9zdGF0aWMvaS93YXRlcm1hcmsucG5nfHx8.jpg

Eoin · 05-06-2018 12:13am

that looks like it's made of tin

oxocube · 05-06-2018 8:38pm

OmegaGene wrote: »

https://www.adverts.ie/15570537

I was finally fast enough to see one

:D:D:D

Time · 05-06-2018 8:43pm

OmegaGene wrote: »

https://www.adverts.ie/15570537

It’s certainly a one of a kind, is that supposed to be a helium valve along side the Tachymeter?

Eoin · 05-06-2018 8:44pm

it is a replica sorry forgot to mention but a proper 1

At least it's a proper replica

Time · 05-06-2018 8:45pm

Eoin wrote: »

At least it's a proper replica

That must be why it’s “sold” so quickly

893bet · 05-06-2018 8:56pm

He called me a nacker. A little harsh!

He sold this one. It's Quartz and automatic per his comments!

https://www.adverts.ie/15327281

Time · 05-06-2018 9:03pm

893bet wrote: »

He called me a nacker. A little harsh!

He sold this one. It's Quartz and automatic per his comments!

https://www.adverts.ie/15327281

As fakes go that’s not the worst, took me a minute to spot the flawed dial

893bet · 05-06-2018 9:17pm

I am always suspicious of people whose adds are characterised by bikes/phones/TVs. Very liquid items easily transported!

FingerDeKat · 05-06-2018 9:20pm

893bet wrote: »

I am always suspicious of people whose adds are characterised by bikes/phones/TVs. Very liquid items easily transported!

Tv's without remote controls are a giveaway

893bet · 05-06-2018 9:29pm

FingerDeKat wrote: »

Tv's without remote controls are a giveaway

https://www.adverts.ie/13216309

Lol

And the below......found it.......yeah nacker confirmed

https://www.adverts.ie/13117750

Trigger Happy · 06-06-2018 7:37pm

OmegaGene wrote: »

Thats back up for sale now
https://www.adverts.ie/15411850

The seller turned down €650 he’s mad as a hatter after only paying €200

I am asking a few questions about that one. Hate the thought of someone profiting from a stolen watch if that is the case.

Spocker · 06-06-2018 10:36pm

Trigger Happy wrote: »

I am asking a few questions about that one. Hate the thought of someone profiting from a stolen watch if that is the case.

I'm keeping an overwatch on that one too

The_Guvnor · 08-06-2018 4:32pm

OmegaGene wrote: »

Hmmm

I met the seller of that piece once. I was selling a piece and he came to view it, well at least that was what he wanted to do on the phone. But when he arrived he had no interest in buying my piece, but instead tried to sell me his Noob factory fake Submariner. He seems to deal in both cars and watches, usually making low-ball offers on multiple ads on Adverts.ie
Personally I would not deal with him, neither buying nor selling.

HDMI · 09-06-2018 3:06pm

I love searching Oris on Adverts, the amount of tat you find from India is unreal :eek:

Sellers of these watches should have to prove authenticity and movement shots, they are just scamming unsuspecting buyers.

T-Maxx · 09-06-2018 3:12pm

Lately a lot of those repainted Oris frankenwatches are being sold out of the uk as well, for hugely inflated prices to boot. And never a pic of the movement!

The_Guvnor · 09-06-2018 3:50pm

T-Maxx wrote: »

Lately a lot of those repainted Oris frankenwatches are being sold out of the uk as well, for hugely inflated prices to boot. And never a pic of the movement!

What are they based on HMT?
Shocking dials. I can't believe anyone would buy them. But as the saying goes; a fool and his money are easily parted. I suppose there is always someone that thinks they have found a Swiss made piece in India. Favre Leuba and Seiko 5 seem to be other brands they favour faking in India.

2shea · 11-06-2018 3:49pm

OmegaGene wrote: »

Now I don’t claim to be an expert on seiko but this made me chuckle

https://www.adverts.ie/15557183

Oh that doesn't look right

Time · 11-06-2018 5:11pm

2shea wrote: »

Oh that doesn't look right

I know zero about vintage Seikos, what was off about that one?

2shea · 11-06-2018 5:20pm

Time wrote: »

I know zero about vintage Seikos, what was off about that one?

The finish looked very poor even for a vintage. Main that I noticed was "Automatic" was written crooked on the dial. But then again I own a lot of modern day Seiko watches and they are still finding it hard to get things to line up straight :rolleyes:

The_Guvnor · 12-06-2018 12:58pm

2shea wrote: »

The finish looked very poor even for a vintage. Main that I noticed was "Automatic" was written crooked on the dial. But then again I own a lot of modern day Seiko watches and they are still finding it hard to get things to line up straight :rolleyes:

I am amazed that anyone would purchase a Seiko piece from India. When modern Seiko 5 pieces can be purchased from Amazon.co.uk at very reasonable prices; often under £100. If one fancies a vintage Seiko piece, there are plenty of EU based sellers on Ebay etc; with excellent feedback; so one doesn't need to take the risk. I have owned HMT pieces which were excellent; and that is the only brand I would consider purchasing from India. Agreed on the modern Seiko quality issues. I cannot believe the chapter ring alignment issues still persist on the Turtle SRP77 series. Ironically the cheaper Seiko 5 series and SXX007's don't seem to have the same problems as much. K (Malaysia) made seem to be as good or better than the J (Japan) made ones.

Cienciano · 12-06-2018 3:43pm

OmegaGene wrote: »

Now I don’t claim to be an expert on seiko but this made me chuckle

https://www.adverts.ie/15557183

As VostokIreland said, this looks like one of the hundreds of seikos you see for sale on ebay from india. I've been looking a lot lately for a couple of HMT's and I see hundreds of seikos like this. If you really want one, go to ebay and search for vintage automatic watch, you'll see loads of stuff from india, and lots for around €10.
VostokIreland, I'm guessing guys in india are buying lots of broken cheap old watches, cleaning them up and using HMT or other cheap movements or cheap repairs? I can't imagine them running for long. Lots of citizens too.

From my research, forget about almost anything form India, Pakistan or Malaysia

The_Guvnor · 13-06-2018 12:11pm

Cienciano wrote: »

As VostokIreland said, this looks like one of the hundreds of seikos you see for sale on ebay from india. I've been looking a lot lately for a couple of HMT's and I see hundreds of seikos like this. If you really want one, go to ebay and search for vintage automatic watch, you'll see loads of stuff from india, and lots for around €10.
VostokIreland, I'm guessing guys in india are buying lots of broken cheap old watches, cleaning them up and using HMT or other cheap movements or cheap repairs? I can't imagine them running for long. Lots of citizens too.

From my research, forget about almost anything form India, Pakistan or Malaysia

Well I wouldn't totally rule out Malaysia as the SEiko SKX007 K series are made there. But agreed, used pieces from there are buyer beware. India is a great source of used HMT's; just as Russia is for Vostok. But for any other brands I think its safer to buy from EU sellers with excellent feedback on Ebay.
Also agree that most of these Frankenwatch fakes are Citizen based; due to the HMT movements being based on Citizen. I think they sold them the tooling you see. I quite fancy another Sona actually, as the dial texture is lovely on them. Lovely slim vintage case size on them for a dress watch too.
Which is your favourite HMT piece?

The_Guvnor · 16-06-2018 7:57pm

OmegaGene wrote: »

https://www.adverts.ie/15645963

A Day-Date with no day complication. Quartz. I wonder how much he paid the looky looky man on the beach in Santa Ponsa for it?
Shocking piece altogether.

893bet · 19-06-2018 7:54pm

https://www.adverts.ie/14352705

Prob not fake but asking price is lol! Enough stretch to wear on upper arm.

The_Guvnor · 19-06-2018 8:17pm

893bet wrote: »

https://www.adverts.ie/14352705

Prob not fake but asking price is lol! Enough stretch to wear on upper arm.

Real. But agreed the bracelet is stretched. Also with no box nor papers it is overpriced. If what the seller says is true, her 4K auction bid was overpriced too.
One would expect box and papers for that price.
Rule number one; never buy a Rolex piece without box and papers. No exceptions.
None of us are ever going to be in the market for Paul Newman's Daytona, a Comex, or 5517 Milsub etc. And these are the very high end pieces that one wouldn't expect to see box and papers included with. But for Datejusts etc, I consider it mandatory.

The_Guvnor · 19-06-2018 9:07pm

OmegaGene wrote: »

Serious stretch on the bracelet alright
Dreamer of the year with the price
Nothing wrong with not having box and papers on a Rolex either if you know what you’re doing and it’s easy to get them verified if in any doubt

Box and paper are not just for provenance of a piece.
One must look at resale value, and future investment potential.
A piece with box and papers will be worth much more in the future than one without.
Look at the 60's Rolex GMT Master on Antiques Roadshow (Youtube) as an example of why box and paper are so important.
One needs to take the long view with Rolex, value of one's piece when one's son inherits it in 50 years etc.

Wibbs · 19-06-2018 9:39pm

Not exactly fakes, but dubious descriptions to bump prices and this goes on a lot, though eBay is way worse for it. The Adverts dudes have removed the "Nazi/SS watch fakes that used to be all over the place, so kudos there.

Post war dress watch from the same company, but not a Kriegsmarine military watch.

Mine for comparison.

A real one can often be had for around the 300 - 400 squids mark. Auctions though, not from dealers on Chrono24. Actually these come up often enough from usually to be avoided places like Ukraine and Russia. War booty and that. If you know what to look for. If the Adverts one tickled your fancy, here's one in better nick for 125 quid. Correctly described.

Not military either.

The_Guvnor · 19-06-2018 11:42pm

Wibbs, do you think the same goes on with CWC G10 and RN divers respectively.
Civilian ones sold as MOD issued ones?

Wibbs · 19-06-2018 11:58pm

Not so much, unless advertised as issued. They're the exact same watch at least. The above example isn't.

Wibbs · 20-06-2018 1:08pm

Rolex "man watch" eh?

Yep as fake as a hooker's smile.

Wibbs · 21-06-2018 10:09am

OmegaGene wrote: »

https://www.adverts.ie/15675841

Illegal yeah OG, but at least for a nice change they straight out say it's a "replica".

Spocker · 21-06-2018 10:55am

OmegaGene wrote: »

I am still amazed people want to buy this crap and the spend over €200 is madness

But but but ... it had a genuine replica box!

("genuine replica" is one of my favourite phrases, I have to admit

)

Spocker · 21-06-2018 12:05pm

OmegaGene wrote: »

It’s back again

Not any more

thelizardking1 · 21-06-2018 7:15pm

https://www.donedeal.ie/jewellery-for-sale/replica-rolex-men-watch/19094444

I feel ill.

"proper Ceramic Insert"

"screw fix links"

2shea · 21-06-2018 7:31pm

thelizardking1 wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/jewellery-for-sale/replica-rolex-men-watch/19094444

I feel ill.

"proper Ceramic Insert"

"screw fix links"

The original Rolex display case back lools great though

The_Guvnor · 22-06-2018 12:56am

OmegaGene wrote: »

Serious stretch on the bracelet alright
Dreamer of the year with the price
Nothing wrong with not having box and papers on a Rolex either if you know what you’re doing and it’s easy to get them verified if in any doubt

Rule number one.
Never buy a Rolex without box and papers.
Why?
Watch this video, and learn why box and papers are so important in the future.
120 USD in 1960 to 65-70K+ USD 55 years later.
It is not just a case of verifying authenticity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olawVhNhJqw

Time · 22-06-2018 1:16am

VostokIreland wrote: »

Rule number one.
Never buy a Rolex without box and papers.
Why?
Watch this video, and learn why box and papers are so important in the future.
120 USD in 1960 to 65-70K+ USD 55 years later.
It is not just a case of verifying authenticity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olawVhNhJqw

Same with any of the big brands, you’ll get absolutely hammered on resale without the box and papers. Although with Omega if you order a replacement box from somewhere and get the original chrono cert from Omega you might be ok

893bet · 22-06-2018 8:03am

VostokIreland wrote: »

Rule number one.
Never buy a Rolex without box and papers.
Why?
Watch this video, and learn why box and papers are so important in the future.
120 USD in 1960 to 65-70K+ USD 55 years later.
It is not just a case of verifying authenticity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olawVhNhJqw

No problem with a Rolex loose if price reflect that.

Prefer an unpolished well maintain Rolex loose than a poorly polished, unmaintained one with papers etc. Papers are only a small factor.

You sell more for profit than I do perhaps that's a different in perspectives.

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