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Aer Lingus Fleet/ Routes Discussion Pt 2 (ALL possible routes included)

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭kevinandrew


    Wow, so that rumour was true. A real shame, they’d built a steady reputation on the Belfast-London market but I guess it’s impossible to justify a base for a single route.



  • Registered Users Posts: 351 ✭✭Shamrockj


    It is indeed a real shame. Because of Brexit the aircraft need to be re-registered to G reg probably not worth their while having a single aircraft there



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭bikeman1


    How does Emerald operate from BHD then with EI registered aircraft? They have 5 ATR's based there.

    Ryanair have various different bases across the UK with EI reg aircraft, plus OE for Lauda. Also they mention a suspension for winter 22/23, so they may be back in Spring 23.

    I would imagine it is down to the cost and the general market ex NI and very poor forward bookings.



  • Registered Users Posts: 351 ✭✭Shamrockj


    They can’t operate domestic flights within the UK on EI registered aircraft soon. Emerald having 5 ac it’s probably worth their while to re register the ac for one ac it’s probably not worth it in case of maintenance etc. I don’t think it’s to do with bookings as BA will be taking over the routes that’s just what I had heard anyway



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭kevinandrew


    It has been operating on a wet lease basis for BA since the transition period for Brexit came to an end anyway, clearly always a short term solution however. Originally, three aircraft were assigned to the wet lease.

    I believe Emerald are using a similar loophole as a temporary solution until they acquire their UK licence.



  • Registered Users Posts: 351 ✭✭Shamrockj


    Some posts on EI social media to welcome the A320NEO

    “ first step in revolutionising our short haul fleet “



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 940 ✭✭✭Bussywussy




  • Registered Users Posts: 351 ✭✭Shamrockj


    Some posts on their Instagram story



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,542 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    They have to recycle the names, or else they'd probably have run out on the 737 Classics. There are only so many Irish saints!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,068 ✭✭✭EchoIndia


    They've already gone down the list of more obscure ones at this stage. One of the Emerald ATRs is "St Elvis / Ailbhe"



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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 9,929 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    Which reg is that?


    There is an historic St Elvis. He has a church in Wales.


    But Ailbhe should Albert.


    In other news:

    https://www.cleveland.com/business/2022/09/aer-lingus-expected-to-launch-nonstop-service-from-cleveland-to-dublin-with-600000-incentive-from-the-city.html



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 9,929 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    Who writes that shite?

    “50% less noisy"?????

    If only there was a single word (starts with "Q") that already meant that....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,068 ✭✭✭EchoIndia




  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 9,929 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    Thanks. Have to add it to my long list of aircraft and saints names.

    Haven't update dot in about 2 years



  • Registered Users Posts: 202 ✭✭Gary walsh 32


    Ei nsa taking the bow for the first revenue flight ei 152 to lhr

    And speaking of St names ei nsb is st adian taking the name of the first aerlingus plane I travelled on ei cpg



  • Registered Users Posts: 18 Poland2020


    May 21st


    EI87 DUB 1530-1850 CLE (Mon, Wed, Fri & Sun)

    EI86 CLE 2020-0850+1 DUB (Mon, Wed, Fri & Sun)


    Flights operated on A321neo aircraft



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 9,929 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    3rd use of Aiden/Aodhan in the fleet.

    2nd use of Thomas/Tomas



  • Registered Users Posts: 351 ✭✭Shamrockj


    Great to see another destination added. I wonder where the aircraft will operate for the other 3 days a week possible Hartford will return or the rumoured Buffalo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 695 ✭✭✭lordleitrim


    Great news about Cleveland! Would they not have announced all their 2023 transatlantic routes at the same time or will they just publicise them as and when they've been officially signed off?

    Interesting that MSP seems to have been abandoned permanently....



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭kevinandrew


    MSP was an odd one, a victim of circumstance perhaps. Originally a 757 route, it was intended for the A321LR but either unexpected range limitations or the poor runway performance at Dublin meant it was just out of reach so they opted to use the A332 as a stop gap which was admittedly way too much capacity for such a young route in the dead of winter. Less than an year after launch, the pandemic struck which put an end to things. The A332s were put in storage and the limited number of A321LRs available to the airline had found better uses.

    The best hope for MSP now is the arrival of the XLR which won’t be until sometime in 2024 at the earliest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,477 ✭✭✭✭cson


    The afternoon block answers my earlier question, there's definitely no bandwidth for extra routes to the US from 9a-12p right now from a capacity perspective.

    The $3m in subsidies helps but I'd be astonished if they had any material loads originating from DUB. Maybe some connections from LHR.



  • Registered Users Posts: 202 ✭✭Gary walsh 32




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,559 ✭✭✭Noxegon


    I'd say it'll be like Hartford – most passengers will be Americans connecting to Europe.

    I develop Superior Solitaire when I'm not procrastinating on boards.ie.



  • Registered Users Posts: 48 Tea2


    Flew on EI-FAT from Bristol yesterday. Much better seats than most of the ATRs emerald are using - great to have it back.


    Still has the old EI livery from a few years ago, with a big sticker saying Emerald Airlines at the back, presumably covering up the old Stobart logo.


    hope they get more, despite being older, they’re in better condition than most of the rest of the fleet, imho



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭kevinandrew


    EI-EIN has suffered a technical issue on arrival at LAX this evening, it was met with emergency vehicles and had a brief inspection on the taxiway before being towed to the gate. All gear doors were visibly open on landing. The return service to Dublin is cancelled.

    It was caught by Airline Videos on YouTube who live stream from the airport.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWGb2awVI6Q

    The Aer Lingus flight is featured at around 7:15pm, as indicated by the on screen local time.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 202 ✭✭Gary walsh 32


    Wonder if it's going to Emerald



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,609 ✭✭✭California Dreamer


    If the stories are to be believed, the boffins in EI are trying to swap the 321XLR slots for 330Neo slots.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭kevinandrew


    Which would go completely against the current strategy of transatlantic growth?? They’re already stretched for long haul narrow body aircraft and the addition of Cleveland shows this type of growth is still very much the plan so it would be a bizarre decision to decline the one aircraft you need to fulfil this mission.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,609 ✭✭✭California Dreamer


    Stratagies change all the time, albeit at a very slow pace in somewhere like Ei. I am going on what a 330 guy told me but sure he could be wrong as well. Time will tell I suppose.



  • Registered Users Posts: 407 ✭✭sherology


    Possible, if the LRs are sufficient for route opening and smaller load destinations, but IAG would likely keep those XLR slots for IAG: no? Also, a330neo slots would likely be easy to come by... AirAisaX dumped a load of them. Would be nice to see the neo ordered though, give some clarity on the future fleet intent. IMHO EI need both.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 168 ✭✭EI321


    They could also pick up XLRs from lessors or others in IAG for 2024 on, like how Iberia took the Aer Lingus A350 slots.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,477 ✭✭✭✭cson


    Maybe they shift the A321LRs onto the likes of Cleveland/expansion routes (+SNN) and put the A330neos on the maore mature markets like EWR/IAD/YYZ/PHL?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,504 ✭✭✭Jack1985


    EWR will be daily A330-300 next Summer.



  • Registered Users Posts: 351 ✭✭Shamrockj


    They could definitely do with more A330’s the likes of YYZ, IAD and EWR were all previously A330 routes. It would be even better if they ordered A330NEO’s and no more crap aircraft from Qatar that are shocking and substandard. The worst aircraft flying across the Atlantic currently bar none.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,504 ✭✭✭Jack1985


    I don't believe they need an A330 on IAD, they have more seat capacity now -v- 2019 and more connection opportunities with 2X A21N. It's a much more suitable aircraft for that route, especially as demand falls of in lower season it has the right economics. I don't see an A330 on YYZ either, a total of 4 carriers on that route, better to send an A330 to other places. When aircraft quantity permits, I could see 2 A21N's on YYZ similar to IAD.



  • Registered Users Posts: 351 ✭✭Shamrockj


    It may be more suitable for connections having X2 NEO vs 1 A330 in certain destinations for sure it opens up a lot more connections. However the A321NEO has zero cargo capacity and regularly leaves behind luggage as there is no space and also cannot take sports equipment, golf clubs etc. I would have imagined there would be room for more capacity on YYZ it was originally a 757 route and then upgraded to A330. Huge Irish population in Toronto. Air Canada has used 400 seater 777-300ER quite often. The NEO is definitely more suitable in the winter when loads are lower and can maintain daily where A330 would be maybe 3/4 times a week.



  • Registered Users Posts: 142 ✭✭Lapmo_Dancer




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,068 ✭✭✭Murph85


    Do aer lingus have any XLR on order and would they have the range to get to Phoenix Arizona?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,068 ✭✭✭EchoIndia




  • Registered Users Posts: 351 ✭✭Shamrockj


    All 3 are pushing on in years with the A330 no longer in production long term they will need to decide a new wide body most likely A330Neo

    -DAA 21 years old

    -DUO 15 years old

    -GEY 19 years old



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,542 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Having what is a relatively small fleet split so many ways in terms of size, crew rest etc is not ideal for operational flexibility, so I imagine they want 333s for now specifically



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,504 ✭✭✭Jack1985


    You'd be surprised despite the odd occasion of payload restrictions; how much they still make including disruption costs with A21N's. YYZ is a yield bloodbath at the moment with four carriers; if you were to use the Irish pop analysis you could apply YVR over SEA, there's always other factors for capacity and destination.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭kevinandrew


    Regarding the XLR order, the chief of strategy at the airline has stated deliveries are expected from “late 2024-25” while talking at the Cleveland launch.

    Of course this might just be the current ‘official’ line but I think it’s the first time since Airbus announced the delay that Aer Lingus has actually acknowledged a delivery schedule of sorts.



  • Registered Users Posts: 351 ✭✭Shamrockj


    Today was definitely an example of that. EIN is still stuck in LAX after the hydraulics issue. Currently GAJ, GCF , EIM and EIN operate west coast with 3 required every day to operate SFO, LAX and SEA with one of the ac usually doing an east coast each day to be back in time to operate the 12:35 departure to SFO. With EIN stuck in LA todays SFO had to wait for the previous days SFO to arrive and turn around resulting in a 2.5 hour delay. Definitely shows having multiple variations of the A330 doesn’t help in these scenarios.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,927 ✭✭✭Van.Bosch


    you also have a complication on short haul, although pretty insignificant, that the new NEO should only operate to Heathrow due to lower landing charges.

    not a big deal really given it’s just one plane and the volume of LHR flights though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 893 ✭✭✭HTCOne


    Is GEY definitely still on the books? I had heard elsewhere it was returned to the lessor.



  • Registered Users Posts: 351 ✭✭Shamrockj




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭kevinandrew


    Didn’t they finally manage to refit the business cabin in ‘GEY just a few weeks before the pandemic hit? Would be a shame to see them wasted.

    Anyone know what actually happens to the business class seats once an aircraft is returned or scrapped?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,477 ✭✭✭✭cson


    There's not a prayer they ever do a PHX route tbh.

    I could maybe see DFW, but I imagine the tie up with AA covers that.

    As an aside: I think the nationalist element of having Irish expats use an Irish carrier is way overblown, I've been in the US for a few years and I use EI only when they're priced competitively or I'm burning Avios. Most expats I know think similarly - cheapest carrier wins.



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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 9,929 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    As above, I would suggest that strategies are constantly changing or evolving.


    The previous "2025 fleet plan" had been 14x A333, 1x A332, 1x A330neo, 8 A321LR, 6 A321XLR. (this info dates to 2019, so 3 years an a global shutdown out of date!! )


    Could be that EI has adjusted due to experience with the A321LR and post Covid industry status. EG. 2x daily A321 to IAD working better than 1x A332.


    The 5x A321LR based in Dublin are still sufficient to launch new routes to smaller airports like CLE/serve quieter routes like BDL.

    They have existing airframe demand on long established routes for 10-12 A330s. (JFK, BOS, ORD, MCO, SFO, LAX, SEA)

    So another 4-5 wide bodies as 'follow on' to previous A321LR routes (or even previous 330 routes) isn't too much of a stretch. In theory any A321LR should be able to upguage to an A330 after 2-3 seasons (barring a global shutdown)

    The A332s are still on the books and 'currently' expected to return to service next year. But that could change next week if IAG get their hands on good value 2nd hand A330s. Which then switches the 6x A321XLR to IAG/BA.


    The Airbus order book is in a lot of flux at the moment. Aircraft offloading older aircraft and adjusting/cancelling old orders. So there could well be scope for IAG/EI to pick up some opportunistic bargains. (EG, the Smartavia A320neo)



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