Brexit discussion thread IX (Please read OP before posting)

dublinman1990 · 23-07-2019 3:12pm

From RTÉ News live updates on the leadership contest victory for BJ

The European Parliament's chief Brexit coordinator Guy Verhofstadt says the parliament's Brexit Steering Group will hold an extraordinary meeting tomorrow with the EU's Chief Brexit Negotiator Michel Barnier to respond to Mr Johnson's election.

Mr Verhofstadt tweeted: "The meeting will be followed by an official communication. Looking forward to defending the interest of all Europeans."

A possible Welsh Independence vote being talked about from the leader of Plaid Cymru with a great line for the Tories.

Plaid Cymru leader in Westminster Liz Saville Roberts said the victory of "clown" Mr Johnson was a "gift" to the cause of Welsh independence, which she claimed was now inevitable.

"The Conservative party has just thrown the UK out of the frying pan and into the fire," she said.

Igotadose · 23-07-2019 3:14pm

Enzokk wrote: »

They are both racists and seem to care only about themselves or their families. They are entitled and have been given all the head starts and preferential treatment all their lives because of their names and have hardly had to put in hard work to be successful. How either of them can improve the lives of the people they are supposed to represent is still a mystery to me.

Well, and I find this kind of odd, here's part of today's victory speech that I guess is the 'inspirational' bit near the end:

"And we are once again going to believe in ourselves and what we can achieve. And like some slumbering giant, we are going to rise and ping off the guy ropes of self-doubt and negativity with better education, better infrastructure, more police, fantastic full-fibre broadband sprouting in every household. We are going to unite this amazing country and we are going to take it forward."

Full-fibre broadband? Is this like, an issue? Nothing about health care. Poverty. Enabling people. But broadband, oh yeah fer sure.

At least he didn't bring up kippers and ice pillows.

ancapailldorcha · 23-07-2019 3:19pm

Igotadose wrote: »

Full-fibre broadband? Is this like, an issue? Nothing about health care. Poverty. Enabling people. But broadband, oh yeah fer sure.

The cynic in me reckons that some Shire-dwelling Tories have been moaning to their MP's about this.

No battle plan survives first contact with the enemy. Doubly so when the enemy is as prepared and united as the EU (and that is how the British government has treated the EU so the term is appropriate here in my opinion). And even more so when it transpired that the battle plan is actually just a pile of meaningless invective and nationalist rhetoric.

Enzokk · 23-07-2019 3:25pm

Igotadose wrote: »

Well, and I find this kind of odd, here's part of today's victory speech that I guess is the 'inspirational' bit near the end:

"And we are once again going to believe in ourselves and what we can achieve. And like some slumbering giant, we are going to rise and ping off the guy ropes of self-doubt and negativity with better education, better infrastructure, more police, fantastic full-fibre broadband sprouting in every household. We are going to unite this amazing country and we are going to take it forward."

Full-fibre broadband? Is this like, an issue? Nothing about health care. Poverty. Enabling people. But broadband, oh yeah fer sure.

At least he didn't bring up kippers and ice pillows.

He is now the second Tory to talk about more police, but they were the government that cut police numbers. Yvette Cooper was quick to call out Sajid Javid on his proclamation that more police would make the UK safer for crime and asked him if he then agrees that higher crime is as a result of police numbers being cut. He quickly tried to backtrack but they know the game is up.

I am still astonished that even with this, with Johnson as leader and the Tories trying to rewrite history on their policies that caused a lot of the problems being faced now, that Labour is not polling at 45% or more. I guess that is why you had the attack dogs out again against Jo Swinson attacking her voting record. They know deep down they have screwed up backing Corbyn but cannot admit it so they are fighting the messenger instead of the message (or something like that).

Enzokk · 23-07-2019 3:28pm

There has been discussion on the Panorama program on Brexit in the previous pages, just wanted to link to it on Youtube for those that missed it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LG-CeYzxvw

Igotadose · 23-07-2019 3:30pm

Enzokk wrote: »

He is now the second Tory to talk about more police, but they were the government that cut police numbers.

Old people like talk of more police on the streets. Fear is what's used by politicians to motivate them. Tune in to foxnews at any time and 'scare the old people' is pretty obvious.

Strazdas · 23-07-2019 3:48pm

Adamcp898 wrote: »

Not sure I get these comparisons between Trump and BoJo that we're seeing. I mean one comes from a political dynasty with links to the aristocracy going back generations and the other is a second generation immigrant. You could argue that one joined the political ruling class because it was exactly what was expected of him whereas the other entered politics promising to rail against the political ruling class.

Both very short on detail and full of bombastic clichés and soundbites. When pressed on anything, they just start deflecting and waffling.

Sam Russell · 23-07-2019 3:50pm

VinLieger wrote: »

The UK hasn't had a majority elected government Bar the Conservative - Lib Dem coalition since the 1950's

The last single party Gov that had a majority of the popular vote was elected in 1932.

The only Gov since then was the LibDem/Tory coalition - the only coalition since 1932.

That is FPTP for you - very undemocratic.

splinter65 · 23-07-2019 4:04pm

Igotadose wrote: »

1. Neither appears to be too smart or have any substantial life achievements prior to entering politics
2. Both are obese
3. Both have bad hair
4. Both shoot from the lip, and regularly say bigoted things ('postboxes' for Boris, Trump... just look for a headline anytime in the past 2-3 years).
5. Both represent parties that are minority in the countries, based on the most recent elections

If you think that BJ is “not too smart” then that means you’ve read absolutely nothing about him and you know nothing about him.
Even a cursory glance at his academic career, the scholarships he won, winning prizes for classics at Oxford and nearly getting a first despite hardly having time for any work with his other “activities” disproves your theory.
I’m not a fan of his but I find it cringe making when people judge others based on appearances without making any enquiries.

Stop moaning ffs · 23-07-2019 4:08pm

splinter65 wrote: »

If you think that BJ is “not too smart” then that means you’ve read absolutely nothing about him and you know nothing about him.
Even a cursory glance at his academic career, the scholarships he won, winning prizes for classics at Oxford and nearly getting a first despite hardly having time for any work with his other “activities” disproves your theory.
I’m not a fan of his but I find it cringe making when people judge others based on appearances without making any enquiries.

He got a 2:1 not a first. According to his biographer on LBC earlier. It was Cameron got the first and it always rankles Boris.

A Dub in Glasgo · 23-07-2019 4:09pm

Enzokk wrote: »

I guess that is why you had the attack dogs out again against Jo Swinson attacking her voting record..

Her voting record is a matter of record and she was caught red handed lying on the Ian Dale show a couple of weeks ago

Stop moaning ffs · 23-07-2019 4:15pm

I’d say border in the sea and NI remaining in the SM is top of his agenda now. He’ll find some way to placate the DUP. Only possible way he can deliver this deal and the EU obviously would be more than up for that.
He’ll be able to sell it and spin it as a victory too.

Professor Moriarty · 23-07-2019 4:20pm

Even before he takes office and starts disappointing and irritating the public, a YouGov poll today:

Which of the following best reflects your reaction to Boris Johnson becoming leader?
Dismayed: 37%
Pleased: 18%
Disappointed: 10%
Delighted: 10%
Don’t mind either way: 17%

So only 28% have a positive view of his appointment. Best of luck, Johnson.

Enzokk · 23-07-2019 4:35pm

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Her voting record is a matter of record and she was caught red handed lying on the Ian Dale show a couple of weeks ago

Sure, a lot of LibDems will have terrible voting records from that time. But let me ask you, is Corbyn a Europhile? Look at his record and tell me that this is the same politician you see everyday?

Strazdas · 23-07-2019 4:47pm

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Her voting record is a matter of record and she was caught red handed lying on the Ian Dale show a couple of weeks ago

The voting record thing is a total red herring. What was she supposed to do....vote against everything her party was doing? That would soon have marked her down as a maverick and a troublemaker.

Stop moaning ffs · 23-07-2019 4:56pm

‘One small step for Boris, one giant leap for Scottish independence’

Very good

WomanSkirtFan8 · 23-07-2019 5:09pm

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

‘One small step for Boris, one giant leap for Scottish independence’

Very good

Indeed. It's also significantly advanced the case for an United Ireland by about a million fold as well.

kuro68k · 23-07-2019 5:10pm

I feel like I need to apologise for my country's behaviour.

Stop moaning ffs · 23-07-2019 5:13pm

WomanSkirtFan8 wrote: »

Indeed. It's also significantly advanced the case for an United Ireland by about a million fold as well.

You can’t reality mention that on boards without being swarmed by the same three accounts screaming NO at you and insisting the polls are all wrong and it’ll never happen.

But back on topic yeah it does.

Just heard a DUP mouthpiece on LBC saying they’ll support Johnson. Unless he crosses them/ doesn’t do their bidding.

They’re not long for this whip master position they’re in right now.
He’s gonna chuck them under the bus to get his brexit.

Spanish Eyes · 23-07-2019 5:27pm

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

You can’t reality mention that on boards without being swarmed by the same three accounts screaming NO at you and insisting the polls are all wrong and it’ll never happen.

But back on topic yeah it does.

Just heard a DUP mouthpiece on LBC saying they’ll support Johnson. Unless he crosses them/ doesn’t do their bidding.

They’re not long for this whip master position they’re in right now.
He’s gonna chuck them under the bus to get his brexit.

Johnson might get Brexit alright, but it will not be a No Deal Brexit. Parliament will ensure that. As for the DUP I think he will just soften the Red Lines somehow. Sure what the F do they really care about NI anyway, and a plague on all your houses.

Stop moaning ffs · 23-07-2019 5:29pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Johnson might get Brexit alright, but it will not be a No Deal Brexit. Parliament will ensure that. As for the DUP I think he will just soften the Red Lines somehow. Sure what the F do they really care about NI anyway, and a plague on all your houses.

Border in the sea. He’ll make this happen and sell it to all as the way forward. Backstop then is totally unnecessary.
He gets to look like a hero for delivering brexit and they leave with the agreement on the table.
Happily ever after for everyone except the DUP

Spanish Eyes · 23-07-2019 5:36pm

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Border in the sea. He’ll make this happen and sell it to all as the way forward. Backstop then is totally unnecessary.
He gets to look like a hero for delivering brexit and they leave with the agreement on the table.
Happily ever after for everyone except the DUP

Exactly, it is a no brainer. I doubt anyone in NI would care apart from the die hards. Hopefully.

I do realise there are numbers involved here in trying to get it through Parliament without the DUP who will no doubt vote against, but I do think there are enough rational people in Parliament who may support the Government from all sides on this.

He could play a blinder yet

Stop moaning ffs · 23-07-2019 5:41pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Exactly, it is a no brainer. I doubt anyone in NI would care apart from the die hards. Hopefully.

I do realise there are numbers involved here in trying to get it through Parliament without the DUP who will no doubt vote against, but I do think there are enough rational people in Parliament who may support the Government from all sides on this.

He could play a blinder yet

You have all kinds of machinations and deals being made cross parties to stop no deal.
You’re going to see border in the sea making the backstop irrelevant and unneeded become the thing. Probably sooner than we think.
There’s the way forward.
They’d all row in behind this in large numbers
DUP goose is in n the oven and about to be cooked.

First Up · 23-07-2019 5:42pm

Stop moaning ffs wrote:

Happily ever after for everyone except the DUP

Who will stop supporting the Tory government, even if enough Labour, Lib Dems, SNP and PC back that version of Brexit.

That means an election sooner or later - probably sooner as the other parties won't resist the smell of blood once the Brexit WA is sorted.

Stop moaning ffs · 23-07-2019 5:42pm

*border in the sea would freak DUP out but it would also possibly dampen any notions or moves to a United ireland. At least in the short term. That might placate them. If that’s even possible.

Stop moaning ffs · 23-07-2019 5:44pm

First Up wrote: »

Who will stop supporting the Tory government, even if enough Labour, Lib Dems, SNP and PC back that version of Brexit.

That means an election sooner or later - probably sooner as the other parties won't resist the smell of blood once the Brexit WA is sorted.

Think johnson and the Tories would sail through in a post exit election. Especially given the alternatives and no doubt relentless victory chants of we delivered brexit.
Who knows though

splinter65 · 23-07-2019 5:45pm

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

He got a 2:1 not a first. According to his biographer on LBC earlier. It was Cameron got the first and it always rankles Boris.

True. But it’s totally ridiculous to describe him as anything approaching stupid. It’s such a lazy observation.

Spanish Eyes · 23-07-2019 5:51pm

splinter65 wrote: »

True. But it’s totally ridiculous to describe him as anything approaching stupid. It’s such a lazy observation.

He plays the game at being a funny eccentric buffoon. But I bet he is as hard nosed as the rest of them.

My one concern is that he appears to be lazy, talks a mile a minute, no one takes him seriously as a Statesman. But they may be surprised.

I bet his minions will do all the work and he will parrot the results. So be it.

No one will care if things settle down on a mutually agreed basis. He has a chance now to get rid of the stupid red lines and dress it up as a victory. I hope he will do this. May was far too rigid and silly in that regard, and had no escape route.

Stop moaning ffs · 23-07-2019 5:52pm

splinter65 wrote: »

True. But it’s totally ridiculous to describe him as anything approaching stupid. It’s such a lazy observation.

I don’t think he’s even a bit stupid. It’s all a big character act. Built to allow him say the occasional stupid not too directly racist or controversial thing in order to get away with it

J Mysterio · 23-07-2019 5:53pm

Absolutely damning article in the Irish Times. The Irish Times view on BJ.

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/editorial/the-irish-times-view-on-boris-johnson-britain-s-new-nadir-1.3964815?mode=amp

How far can Britain fall? The Brexit debacle has already left the country bitterly divided, its parliament paralysed, its influence diminished and its reputation shattered.

And now, a new nadir: Boris Johnson is set to become prime minister. That means things could still get a lot worse.

Johnson is a profoundly unserious man wildly unsuited to high office. That’s to put it generously. In normal times, his ineptitude – on full display during his time as foreign secretary – would hold his country back. In these times of crisis, his character flaws could prove catastrophic.

Enzokk · 23-07-2019 6:02pm

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Border in the sea. He’ll make this happen and sell it to all as the way forward. Backstop then is totally unnecessary.
He gets to look like a hero for delivering brexit and they leave with the agreement on the table.
Happily ever after for everyone except the DUP

He needs DUP votes so he cannot go with the sea border. He could get Labour votes to get it through but the DUP would not vote in a vote of confidence and bring the government down, so why would Labour back the deal? If he gets Brexit through the arithmetic stays the same and if he sacrifices the DUP they will lose him crucial votes elsewhere.

He could try and get a general election as soon as he has gotten Brexit through, but the backstop would be in the WA and the Brexit Party will spin that as a loss so they would hurt them at the polls. Basically it is a mess, and his proclamations on the leadership election bid has made it worse for him.

Stop moaning ffs · 23-07-2019 6:13pm

Enzokk wrote: »

He needs DUP votes so he cannot go with the sea border. He could get Labour votes to get it through but the DUP would not vote in a vote of confidence and bring the government down, so why would Labour back the deal? If he gets Brexit through the arithmetic stays the same and if he sacrifices the DUP they will lose him crucial votes elsewhere.

He could try and get a general election as soon as he has gotten Brexit through, but the backstop would be in the WA and the Brexit Party will spin that as a loss so they would hurt them at the polls. Basically it is a mess, and his proclamations on the leadership election bid has made it worse for him.

Listening to various and numerous MPs the last few days they’re all railing against no deal. So if he found a workaround and that being border in the sea he’d have support across all parties by the looks of it. Simply to avoid no deal. He would no longer need the DUP.
It gets rid of the dreaded backstop. And none of them not one have mentioned being worried about the imaginary and balatantly false notion that it’s somehow sacrificing NI.
This I wish paddy power would take bets on cos I’d back it as a certainty

Joe_ Public · 23-07-2019 6:18pm

Labour still wouldn't support an agreement simply based on a change to the backstop, that isn't their issue with the WA as it currently stands. Though you might get enough labour rebels to squeeze it through the hoc, but I suspect if it was all that simple we wouldn't be in the position we're now in.

Strazdas · 23-07-2019 6:21pm

J Mysterio wrote: »

Absolutely damning article in the Irish Times. The Irish Times view on BJ.

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/editorial/the-irish-times-view-on-boris-johnson-britain-s-new-nadir-1.3964815?mode=amp

Johnson is a profoundly unserious man wildly unsuited to high office.

That's a very fair comment. He's a spoofer and bluffer who doesn't really believe in anything, bar his own reputation and image

Inquitus · 23-07-2019 6:43pm

Well here we go, all aboard the Bojo Express, destination unknown, calamity perhaps unavoidable. Qudos to the man, selling himself out to anything, and everything, that might have given him a sniff of making PM has finally paid off, not a shred of dignity left intact, widely regarded at home and abroad as a buffoon, but there he sits as PM of the once Great Britain.

Spanish Eyes · 23-07-2019 6:49pm

Remember though, that he was elected Leader of the Tory Party by a sliver of the electorate, all died in the wool Tories, and this person is inflicted on the UK by that tiny cohort.

Taking back control is right.

serfboard · 23-07-2019 6:55pm

Inquitus wrote: »

Well here we go, all aboard the Bojo Express, destination unknown

Indeed. I find myself quite intrigued at seeing how he is going to (try to) resolve the Brexit problem he helped to create.

Beechwoodspark · 23-07-2019 6:57pm

Same old same old from Bo Johnson

I suspect he will end up p1ssing off all sides

Firing squad from all angles (metaphor).

Resign while talking scutter

Get plenty of lucrative Board memberships from Tory England and republican America.

Job done for Boris.

A Shropshire Lad · 23-07-2019 7:07pm

Shortest serving PM on the cards I reckon

Hes got a parlamentary majority of 2, for the moment

lawred2 · 23-07-2019 7:24pm

So who has actually jumped the Tory ship so far?

20silkcut · 23-07-2019 7:38pm

A Shropshire Lad wrote: »

Shortest serving PM on the cards I reckon

Hes got a parlamentary majority of 2, for the moment

For a clever cunning politician with no morals or ideals he has a few cards left to play on brexit. In fairness despite everything it is a fairly plum job being PM of the fifth largest economy in the world.
As serfboard says it will be interesting to see what moves he makes.
His ultimate goal now is to stay in No 10 for as long as possible. Power will seduce an ego like his. Everyone knows that he has to adjust his current stated position and adopt a hint of pragmatism to do that. It’s a case of what gets thrown under which bus.
I mean someone like Dominic Raab truly would be the shortest serving PM in history. I reckon Boris will avoid that accolade. It’s an easier ask than becoming PM in the first place IMO.
Of course I’d love to be wrong on all this.

Quin_Dub · 23-07-2019 7:55pm

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Border in the sea. He’ll make this happen and sell it to all as the way forward. Backstop then is totally unnecessary.
He gets to look like a hero for delivering brexit and they leave with the agreement on the table.
Happily ever after for everyone except the DUP

Whether or not he goes for "Border in the Irish Sea" depends a lot on what is more important to him.

Delivering Brexit or remaining in power? - I'm not altogether certain he can do both.

If he throws the DUP under the bus , he could very well deliver Brexit with a deal. However in doing so he loses his majority and then there's a GE that he might struggle to win.`

The only pathway for him is if he delivers Brexit via an Irish sea border (and absent changing the red lines there really isn't another way) then he has to hope that that fatally punctures any support for Farage and his cohort of "to be named later" GE candidates.

With FPTP and the Labour party in endless chaos that might just be enough to get him over the line..

However if the Lib Dems show up well , then it's probably a hung parliament and the Tories are out as no one will partner with them.

Professor Moriarty · 23-07-2019 7:58pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Same old same old from Bo Johnson

I suspect he will end up p1ssing off all sides

Firing squad from all angles (metaphor).

Resign while talking scutter

Get plenty of lucrative Board memberships from Tory England and republican America.

Job done for Boris.

He got €60,000 plus travel for a one hour speech in Dublin last January.

Stop moaning ffs · 23-07-2019 8:04pm

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Whether or not he goes for "Border in the Irish Sea" depends a lot on what is more important to him.

Delivering Brexit or remaining in power? - I'm not altogether certain he can do both.

If he throws the DUP under the bus , he could very well deliver Brexit with a deal. However in doing so he loses his majority and then there's a GE that he might struggle to win.`

The only pathway for him is if he delivers Brexit via an Irish sea border (and absent changing the red lines there really isn't another way) then he has to hope that that fatally punctures any support for Farage and his cohort of "to be named later" GE candidates.

With FPTP and the Labour party in endless chaos that might just be enough to get him over the line..

However if the Lib Dems show up well , then it's probably a hung parliament and the Tories are out as no one will partner with them.

He’s got support from a lot of MPs from all parties if he drops the no deal idea. He’s already cannibalised the brexit party numbers but if he delivers brexit by doing the border in the sea, he’ll be safe enough in any GE I’d reckon

No significant number in HOC want no deal. They’ll all row in behind a deal if the many MPs all parties I’ve been listening to the past few days are any guide.
They’ll redo the PD and border in the sea. Plain sailing.

Flip side, there might be so many defections, Lib Dem’s and SNP and greens form an alliance and take over and drop the whole thing with the promise of a possible rerun of the referendum as a condition to alliance. But one where everyone is far better informed you’d hope

Spanish Eyes · 23-07-2019 8:22pm

Problem is I don't really think anyone wants to leave the EU on a No Deal basis anymore.

It was a cat call against the Brexit Party.

I bet the UK Government would love to stay in now. But they cannot really.

So it is stopping the Red Lines now. And he will do it. And be hailed for it. They don't care about NI anyway.

But we will all be happy with that. Hopefully that is where he will go.

Itssoeasy · 23-07-2019 8:32pm

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Border in the sea. He’ll make this happen and sell it to all as the way forward. Backstop then is totally unnecessary.
He gets to look like a hero for delivering brexit and they leave with the agreement on the table.
Happily ever after for everyone except the DUP

Whether or not he goes for "Border in the Irish Sea" depends a lot on what is more important to him.

Delivering Brexit or remaining in power? - I'm not altogether certain he can do both.

If he throws the DUP under the bus , he could very well deliver Brexit with a deal. However in doing so he loses his majority and then there's a GE that he might struggle to win.`

The only pathway for him is if he delivers Brexit via an Irish sea border (and absent changing the red lines there really isn't another way) then he has to hope that that fatally punctures any support for Farage and his cohort of "to be named later" GE candidates.

With FPTP and the Labour party in endless chaos that might just be enough to get him over the line..

However if the Lib Dems show up well , then it's probably a hung parliament and the Tories are out as no one will partner with them.

So you think the good showing in the local elections and a new leader will continue the momentum they have again ?

BluePlanet · 23-07-2019 8:36pm

I can't see him, nor most Tories throwing the DUP under the bus.
There's a old tribal loyalty at play there and there is no way they'll give us a win over them.

trellheim · 23-07-2019 8:36pm

“It’s the arrogance. It’s the contempt. That’s what gets me. It’s Gordon Brown’s apparent belief that he can just trample on the democratic will of the British people. It’s at moments like this that I think the political world has gone mad, and I am alone in detecting the gigantic fraud.”

"They voted for Anthony Charles Lynton Blair to serve as their leader. They were at no stage invited to vote on whether Gordon Brown should be PM… They voted for Tony, and yet they now get Gordon, and a transition about as democratically proper as the transition from Claudius to Nero. It is a scandal. Why are we all conniving in this stitch-up? This is nothing less than a palace coup… with North Korean servility, the Labour Party has handed power over to the brooding Scottish power-maniac.”

"The extraordinary thing is that it looks as though he will now be in 10 Downing Street for three years, and without a mandate from the British people. No one elected Gordon Brown as Prime Minister…”

“Gordon Brown could appease public indignation over that, and secure the democratic mandate he needs, by asking the public to vote at once on him, on the new EU treaty, and on the implications of the devolutionary settlement. Let’s have an election without delay

Boris Johnson on Gordon Brown's accession to PM in 2007.

trellheim · 23-07-2019 8:53pm

Twitter reporting that David Frost will be the EU sherpa

here's some old interview
https://www.businessinsider.com/boris-johnson-advisor-david-frost-whole-industries-could-be-destroyed-by-hard-brexit-article-50-2016-10?r=US&IR=T

a norway type eh ? From 2016. If still this position then red lines are shifting

He wrote in a Telegraph article in June that Brexit would be "our most complex negotiation ever," and warned that "we can't afford to get it wrong."

Frost called for a positive approach to negotiations, and suggested that the UK to adopt a Norway-style transitional arrangement. In that scenario, the UK would remain in the European single market, a free trade agreement between EU countries.

He said: "We should say that we intend, after exit, to retain this status for say five years and to use that period to reflect and if necessary negotiate a Free Trade Agreement like Canada's, if that is what we want to do, or to keep Norway status if we don't."

Beechwoodspark · 23-07-2019 8:54pm

David Frost?!?

Ohhhh

Not THE David frost !!

Brexit discussion thread IX (Please read OP before posting)

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