I have changed my views on abortion

brickmauser · 06-10-2016 7:52am #1

In recent days I have changed my view on abortion. Especially when I saw the protests in Poland.

I now believe women should have the right to choose.

Abortion should be available at anytime during pregnancy for any reason.

Who am I to stop a woman or stand in her way?

I want to apologize to anyone upset with previous thread

Arthur.beaker · 06-10-2016 7:54am

Can they not currently 'choose' to travel to the UK?

zl1whqvjs75cdy · 06-10-2016 7:57am

Arthur.beaker wrote: »

Can they not currently 'choose' to travel to the UK?

Why should they have to

PARlance · 06-10-2016 8:01am

That was some turnaround.

tigger123 · 06-10-2016 8:05am

Arthur.beaker wrote: »

Can they not currently 'choose' to travel to the UK?

Only if they can afford it. But they shouldn't have to. The whole situation is difficult enough without putting barriers in their way.

06-10-2016 8:09am

Thread reeks of me me me.

The is a thread about abortion. There are probably loads of them. Why not post this in one of them?

Jen44 · 06-10-2016 8:10am

Arthur.beaker wrote: »

Can they not currently 'choose' to travel to the UK?

Have you ever had to travel following a medical procedure?? Its not very nice nor something someone should be forced to choose as there is no other option!! No one chooses to go to the uk for an abortion they go because that is the only option available to them

triple nipple · 06-10-2016 8:14am

Jen44 wrote:

Have you ever had to travel following a murder?? Its not very nice nor something someone should be forced to choose as there is no other option!! one chooses to go to the uk for an abortion they go because that is the only option available to them

There, fixed it for you

Mod-Banned

corner of hells · 06-10-2016 8:17am

triple nipple wrote: »

There, fixed it for you

The poster who's comment ymadeou changed a sensible contribution to a sensitive and emotive subject thread and that's the best you can come up with .

Try some thought .

The flying mouse · 06-10-2016 8:17am

triple nipple wrote: »

There, fixed it for you

Time to put feet up and sit back n read with amusement

Jen44 · 06-10-2016 8:19am

its not worth even getting into it. Good luck!

Sono · 06-10-2016 8:21am

triple nipple wrote: »

There, fixed it for you

Bad form that

hairyslug · 06-10-2016 8:23am

During the night I was thinking about this. If a referendum was called tomorrow and the government set out the terms of what the 8th was to be replaced by, let's just say prior to 12 weeks, FFA, mother's health and well-being Would there be many people who would be able to be swayed or have a large majority of the people made up their mind and no shouting or screaming or any other arguments would change it.

VinLieger · 06-10-2016 8:23am

Im really confused as to whats happening in this thread.

The flying mouse · 06-10-2016 8:31am

VinLieger wrote: »

Im really confused as to whats happening in this thread.

Op seen some women protests in Poland and changed his/her mind on abortion laws in Ireland.

https://www.google.es/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjBrbLN1MXPAhVBvRQKHWSSBrIQqQIIHjAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fworld%2F2016%2Foct%2F05%2Fpolish-government-performs-u-turn-on-total-abortion-ban&usg=AFQjCNF7rp81Wl89L-yafe5OCuIiZPI1pQ

Link about Poland protests

LeinsterDub · 06-10-2016 8:34am

The flying mouse wrote: »

Op seen some women protests in Poland and changed his/her mind on abortion laws in Ireland.

https://www.google.es/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjBrbLN1MXPAhVBvRQKHWSSBrIQqQIIHjAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fworld%2F2016%2Foct%2F05%2Fpolish-government-performs-u-turn-on-total-abortion-ban&usg=AFQjCNF7rp81Wl89L-yafe5OCuIiZPI1pQ

Link about Poland protests

Actually op has gone from the zygote is a human to abortion at at any stage of the pregnancy in a week

http://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057653091/1/#post101181129

kneemos · 06-10-2016 8:36am

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Actually op has gone from the zygote is a human to abortion at at any stage of the pregnancy in a week

http://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057653091/1/#post101181129

No point protesting if it doesn't change minds.

HS3 · 06-10-2016 8:38am

Was the other thread not generating enough attention for you?

LeinsterDub · 06-10-2016 8:39am

kneemos wrote: »

No point protesting if it doesn't change minds.

This conversion on the road to Damascus is the equivalent of a Republican protest changing Ian Paisley into Gerry Adams

KillerShamrock · 06-10-2016 8:40am

triple nipple wrote: »

There, fixed it for you

Well you have been reported for that.

I hope this thread, poster and op are shut down asap clearly a troll and just posting stuff like above and the op as well.

sullivlo · 06-10-2016 8:43am

hairyslug wrote: »

During the night I was thinking about this. If a referendum was called tomorrow and the government set out the terms of what the 8th was to be replaced by, let's just say prior to 12 weeks, FFA, mother's health and well-being Would there be many people who would be able to be swayed or have a large majority of the people made up their mind and no shouting or screaming or any other arguments would change it.

Nowhere in the 8th amendment is the word abortion mentioned. The repeal campaign is to repeal the 8th amendment, which gives a foetus the same rights as a woman.

conorhal · 06-10-2016 8:47am

brickmauser wrote: »

In recent days I have changed my view on abortion. Especially when I saw the protests in Poland.

I now believe women should have the right to choose.

Abortion should be available at anytime during pregnancy for any reason.

Who am I to stop a woman or stand in her way?

I want to apologize to anyone upset with previous thread

So you've gone from a pro life position to believing you should be allowed to kill a child up till the point of birth? Based on pictures from a protest? Wow, that sounds... rational.

conorhal · 06-10-2016 8:49am

sullivlo wrote: »

Nowhere in the 8th amendment is the word abortion mentioned. The repeal campaign is to repeal the 8th amendment, which gives a foetus the same rights as a woman.

That is as a disingenuous a statement as it gets. The aim of 'repeal the 8th is abortion on demand, and the sickeningly semantic arguments of those pretending otherwise just makes them look shady.

Fighting Tao · 06-10-2016 8:57am

conorhal wrote: »

That is as a disingenuous a statement as it gets. The aim of 'repeal the 8th is abortion on demand, and the sickeningly semantic arguments of those pretending otherwise just makes them look shady.

Like any group of people there will be a huge range of opinions. The people that want the 8th amendment repealed can't possibly have the exact same opinions and reasons. Generalisations like yours are totally incorrect.

conorhal · 06-10-2016 9:00am

Fighting Tao wrote: »

Like any group of people there will be a huge range of opinions. The people that want the 8th amendment repealed can't possibly have the exact same opinions and reasons. Generalisations like yours are totally incorrect.

The law of lowest common denominator and the base selfish nature of the society we have built would suggest otherwise.

iLikeWaffles · 06-10-2016 9:07am

What's wrong the 8th thread calm now?

Arthur.beaker · 06-10-2016 9:13am

KillerShamrock wrote: »

Well you have been reported for that.

I hope this thread, poster and op are shut down asap clearly a troll and just posting stuff like above and the op as well.

Reported for in thread moderation.

sullivlo · 06-10-2016 9:14am

conorhal wrote: »

That is as a disingenuous a statement as it gets. The aim of 'repeal the 8th is abortion on demand, and the sickeningly semantic arguments of those pretending otherwise just makes them look shady.

:rolleyes:

The aim of repeal the 8th is to allow women have more of a right to life than an unborn.

Fundamentally, I disagree with abortion on demand (as you kindly put it). However what right do I have to let my views dictate how others should live their lives? Having personally known several people who have travelled to the UK for various reasons, including FFA, risk to the mothers life and one incident of incest rape, it is an absolute disgrace that these women are treated like second class citizens and forced to travel to save their own life or sanity.

Do you really think that a rape victim should be made bring the child of their rapist into the world? Should they be made go through all of that torture of 9 months of pregnancy, however many hours of labour and all of the associated risks of childbirth, just to give birth to a child that they never asked for, a child that was forced upon them by a rapist? Seriously?

Should women be force to travel for a medical procedure?

I had an operation a few years ago on my lady parts. I had some unexpected side effects of the operation and I panicked. I had to travel from the hospital to my home and I was scared. Can you imagine how scary it must be for a woman to experience side effects after a medical procedure, and then be told she has to get on an airplane or a boat?

Rainman16 · 06-10-2016 9:18am

When is the referendum?

kneemos · 06-10-2016 9:25am

Rainman16 wrote: »

When is the referendum?

I have a bunker built ready for the announcement.

Ave Sodalis · 06-10-2016 9:33am

conorhal wrote:

So you've gone from a pro life position to believing you should be allowed to kill a child up till the point of birth? Based on pictures from a protest? Wow, that sounds... rational.

He realised that whilst he was against a repeal of the 8th, people would still agree with him. This way, very few agree with him and he gets a much bigger reaction.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 06-10-2016 9:49am

triple nipple wrote: »

There, fixed it for you

Mod-Banned

Very classy.

ScumLord · 06-10-2016 9:57am

I'm going to change my stance from pro abortion, to anti abortions just to make this whole thread pointless.

kjl · 06-10-2016 10:04am

I'll probably get berated for this but I still think abortion is murder.

Look, it's your life and I won't stop you from getting one but to me, you are a murderer if you kill your unborn child.

I won't get in the way of people trying to change the law, but I certainly won't help them do it.

ScumLord · 06-10-2016 10:26am

kjl wrote: »

I'll probably get berated for this but I still think abortion is murder.

Look, it's your life and I won't stop you from getting one but to me, you are a murderer if you kill your unborn child.

Yeah, and men who masterbate are genocidal maniacs. All those millions of babies.

Widdershins · 06-10-2016 10:27am

Arthur.beaker wrote: »

Can they not currently 'choose' to travel to the UK?

Cost. You can't leave without a chaperone on the same day as procedure so you must fund a second persons travel/accommodation or pay for an extra night for yourself. You have a small window of time in which to get the funds together and may have to wait for a passport to be processed.
Dignity.
Safety.
Availability of Post operative support and after care from another country.

So it's not a choice for many and not a good choice for those who can afford and manage to do it.

Lux23 · 06-10-2016 10:32am

I don't know about abortion being available at any time during pregnancy, personally think 12 weeks should be the max unless you're very young, at risk or need an abortion due to a medical issue.

As a woman, I think the right to access an abortion comes with certain responsibilities regarding contraception. Not that men don't need to be responsible as well but at the end of the day the decision to access a termination or not comes down to me and no-one else.

Kev_2012 · 06-10-2016 11:53am

Quick question on this topic.

If they repeal the 8th amendment, does that mean that in any case, regardless of how the pregnancy came about etc. etc. that a woman can just go in and get an abortion?

I honestly don't know the ins and outs so just wondering!

Thanks!

keano_afc · 06-10-2016 11:55am

If I wanted to read multiple abortion articles I'd open the Journal.

kupus · 06-10-2016 12:09pm

brickmauser wrote: »

In recent days I have changed my view on abortion. Especially when I saw the protests in Poland.

I now believe women should have the right to choose.

Abortion should be available at anytime during pregnancy for any reason.

Who am I to stop a woman or stand in her way?

I want to apologize to anyone upset with previous thread

How, convenient.

I wonder are you going to advertise repeal the 8th websites next.

And btw Im pro abortion but if people have something against it, they should be heard and not showboated as religious fascist zealots like a lot of you lefties here are fond of doing when somebody argues against you,
usually along the lines of deny, distort, deflect and defame.

Thats how democracy works.

Its too bad some of you dont go to saudi arabia and shout there for womens rights

No, its easier to bully the against vote in good old catholic controled ireland.

Ave Sodalis · 06-10-2016 12:28pm

Kev_2012 wrote:

If they repeal the 8th amendment, does that mean that in any case, regardless of how the pregnancy came about etc. etc. that a woman can just go in and get an abortion?

Nope, if they repeal, abortion would still be illegal and would have to have further legislation to make it legal. Given that there's not even a referendum on the cards at the moment, the contents of further legislation is unknown. At the moment, with the 8th in place, no legislation (whether for everyone, or just in the case of FFA or rape) can be put in place.

For what it's worth, legislation would most likely have a time limit for the majority of women, with late term abortions only allowed in medical cases. At least, that is what it seems the majority are calling for.

Wibbs · 06-10-2016 12:31pm

ScumLord wrote: »

Yeah, and men who masterbate are genocidal maniacs. All those millions of babies.

Slight difference between pulling one's pud and removing a baby shaped potential human on the cusp of beyond womb survival at 24 weeks which is the UK limit.

Potatoeman · 06-10-2016 12:41pm

Lux23 wrote: »

I don't know about abortion being available at any time during pregnancy, personally think 12 weeks should be the max unless you're very young, at risk or need an abortion due to a medical issue.

As a woman, I think the right to access an abortion comes with certain responsibilities regarding contraception. Not that men don't need to be responsible as well but at the end of the day the decision to access a termination or not comes down to me and no-one else.

Is it right to force a man into parenthood if he doesn't want it? It can have a huge impact on his life too.

Your Face · 06-10-2016 1:08pm

Abortions for all !

Lux23 · 06-10-2016 1:10pm

Potatoeman wrote: »

Is it right to force a man into parenthood if he doesn't want it? It can have a huge impact on his life too.

Is it right to force a woman into an abortion she doesn't want?

Lux23 · 06-10-2016 1:11pm

Your Face wrote: »

Abortions for all !

I want a miniature Irish flag.

seamus · 06-10-2016 1:13pm

kjl wrote: »

I'll probably get berated for this but I still think abortion is murder.

Look, it's your life and I won't stop you from getting one but to me, you are a murderer if you kill your unborn child.

I won't get in the way of people trying to change the law, but I certainly won't help them do it.

That seems a bit bizarre.

If there was a very large group of people campaigning to have murder or rape legalised and who seemed to have a good chance of succeeding, you can bet your arse I'd be out there trying to get in their way and oppose them.

Could it be, that you don't actually think abortion is as serious as murder? You think it's not nice, but not bad enough for you to actually oppose it?

This is why the "abortion is murder" line is hyperbole. Because you don't actually believe it is. You don't like it, but you don't believe it's anything at all close to murder.

If you did, you'd be out on the streets.

06-10-2016 1:14pm

ScumLord wrote: »

I'm going to change my stance from pro abortion, to anti abortions just to make this whole thread pointless.

No, to truly negate, you have to go from abortion any time for any old reason to never...and open a thread about this complete and utter about turn.

HensVassal · 06-10-2016 1:14pm

Arthur.beaker wrote: »

Can they not currently 'choose' to travel to the UK?

Would that not constitute a crime?

Shenshen · 06-10-2016 1:15pm

kupus wrote: »

Its too bad some of you dont go to saudi arabia and shout there for womens rights

No, its easier to bully the against vote in good old catholic controled ireland.

Wouldn't even know how to spell abortion in Arabic, tbh.

Tsipras · 06-10-2016 1:19pm

brickmauser wrote: »

Abortion should be available at anytime during pregnancy for any reason.

That'll never get voted in in Ireland, if you abort a 8 month old baby you're a psychopath surely

I have changed my views on abortion

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