I have changed my views on abortion

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 06-10-2016 09:49AM

triple nipple wrote: »

There, fixed it for you

Mod-Banned

Very classy.

ScumLord · 06-10-2016 09:57AM

I'm going to change my stance from pro abortion, to anti abortions just to make this whole thread pointless.

kjl · 06-10-2016 10:04AM

I'll probably get berated for this but I still think abortion is murder.

Look, it's your life and I won't stop you from getting one but to me, you are a murderer if you kill your unborn child.

I won't get in the way of people trying to change the law, but I certainly won't help them do it.

ScumLord · 06-10-2016 10:26AM

kjl wrote: »

I'll probably get berated for this but I still think abortion is murder.

Look, it's your life and I won't stop you from getting one but to me, you are a murderer if you kill your unborn child.

Yeah, and men who masterbate are genocidal maniacs. All those millions of babies.

Widdershins · 06-10-2016 10:27AM

Arthur.beaker wrote: »

Can they not currently 'choose' to travel to the UK?

Cost. You can't leave without a chaperone on the same day as procedure so you must fund a second persons travel/accommodation or pay for an extra night for yourself. You have a small window of time in which to get the funds together and may have to wait for a passport to be processed.
Dignity.
Safety.
Availability of Post operative support and after care from another country.

So it's not a choice for many and not a good choice for those who can afford and manage to do it.

Lux23 · 06-10-2016 10:32AM

I don't know about abortion being available at any time during pregnancy, personally think 12 weeks should be the max unless you're very young, at risk or need an abortion due to a medical issue.

As a woman, I think the right to access an abortion comes with certain responsibilities regarding contraception. Not that men don't need to be responsible as well but at the end of the day the decision to access a termination or not comes down to me and no-one else.

Kev_2012 · 06-10-2016 11:53AM

Quick question on this topic.

If they repeal the 8th amendment, does that mean that in any case, regardless of how the pregnancy came about etc. etc. that a woman can just go in and get an abortion?

I honestly don't know the ins and outs so just wondering!

Thanks!

keano_afc · 06-10-2016 11:55AM

If I wanted to read multiple abortion articles I'd open the Journal.

kupus · 06-10-2016 12:09PM

brickmauser wrote: »

In recent days I have changed my view on abortion. Especially when I saw the protests in Poland.

I now believe women should have the right to choose.

Abortion should be available at anytime during pregnancy for any reason.

Who am I to stop a woman or stand in her way?

I want to apologize to anyone upset with previous thread

How, convenient.

I wonder are you going to advertise repeal the 8th websites next.

And btw Im pro abortion but if people have something against it, they should be heard and not showboated as religious fascist zealots like a lot of you lefties here are fond of doing when somebody argues against you,
usually along the lines of deny, distort, deflect and defame.

Thats how democracy works.

Its too bad some of you dont go to saudi arabia and shout there for womens rights

No, its easier to bully the against vote in good old catholic controled ireland.

Ave Sodalis · 06-10-2016 12:28PM

Kev_2012 wrote:

If they repeal the 8th amendment, does that mean that in any case, regardless of how the pregnancy came about etc. etc. that a woman can just go in and get an abortion?

Nope, if they repeal, abortion would still be illegal and would have to have further legislation to make it legal. Given that there's not even a referendum on the cards at the moment, the contents of further legislation is unknown. At the moment, with the 8th in place, no legislation (whether for everyone, or just in the case of FFA or rape) can be put in place.

For what it's worth, legislation would most likely have a time limit for the majority of women, with late term abortions only allowed in medical cases. At least, that is what it seems the majority are calling for.

Wibbs · 06-10-2016 12:31PM

ScumLord wrote: »

Yeah, and men who masterbate are genocidal maniacs. All those millions of babies.

Slight difference between pulling one's pud and removing a baby shaped potential human on the cusp of beyond womb survival at 24 weeks which is the UK limit.

Potatoeman · 06-10-2016 12:41PM

Lux23 wrote: »

I don't know about abortion being available at any time during pregnancy, personally think 12 weeks should be the max unless you're very young, at risk or need an abortion due to a medical issue.

As a woman, I think the right to access an abortion comes with certain responsibilities regarding contraception. Not that men don't need to be responsible as well but at the end of the day the decision to access a termination or not comes down to me and no-one else.

Is it right to force a man into parenthood if he doesn't want it? It can have a huge impact on his life too.

Your Face · 06-10-2016 01:08PM

Abortions for all !

Lux23 · 06-10-2016 01:10PM

Potatoeman wrote: »

Is it right to force a man into parenthood if he doesn't want it? It can have a huge impact on his life too.

Is it right to force a woman into an abortion she doesn't want?

Lux23 · 06-10-2016 01:11PM

Your Face wrote: »

Abortions for all !

I want a miniature Irish flag.

seamus · 06-10-2016 01:13PM

kjl wrote: »

I'll probably get berated for this but I still think abortion is murder.

Look, it's your life and I won't stop you from getting one but to me, you are a murderer if you kill your unborn child.

I won't get in the way of people trying to change the law, but I certainly won't help them do it.

That seems a bit bizarre.

If there was a very large group of people campaigning to have murder or rape legalised and who seemed to have a good chance of succeeding, you can bet your arse I'd be out there trying to get in their way and oppose them.

Could it be, that you don't actually think abortion is as serious as murder? You think it's not nice, but not bad enough for you to actually oppose it?

This is why the "abortion is murder" line is hyperbole. Because you don't actually believe it is. You don't like it, but you don't believe it's anything at all close to murder.

If you did, you'd be out on the streets.

06-10-2016 01:14PM

ScumLord wrote: »

I'm going to change my stance from pro abortion, to anti abortions just to make this whole thread pointless.

No, to truly negate, you have to go from abortion any time for any old reason to never...and open a thread about this complete and utter about turn.

HensVassal · 06-10-2016 01:14PM

Arthur.beaker wrote: »

Can they not currently 'choose' to travel to the UK?

Would that not constitute a crime?

Shenshen · 06-10-2016 01:15PM

kupus wrote: »

Its too bad some of you dont go to saudi arabia and shout there for womens rights

No, its easier to bully the against vote in good old catholic controled ireland.

Wouldn't even know how to spell abortion in Arabic, tbh.

Tsipras · 06-10-2016 01:19PM

brickmauser wrote: »

Abortion should be available at anytime during pregnancy for any reason.

That'll never get voted in in Ireland, if you abort a 8 month old baby you're a psychopath surely

ScumLord · 06-10-2016 01:19PM

Wibbs wrote: »

Slight difference between pulling one's pud and removing a baby shaped potential human on the cusp of beyond womb survival at 24 weeks which is the UK limit.

Potential life, is potential life. Why use an arbitrary event like contraception dictate when life begins?

seamus wrote: »

If you did, you'd be out on the streets.

Where the murderers could get you? If they can kill a baby they're capable of anything.

Potatoeman · 06-10-2016 01:20PM

Lux23 wrote: »

Is it right to force a woman into an abortion she doesn't want?

No. As a man I would face the consequenses of my actions and take responsibility for the result. I just feel like there is a double standard of expectations placed on me. I'm expected to 'do the right thing' which usually means whatever the woman chooses.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 06-10-2016 01:24PM

brickmauser wrote: »

In recent days I have changed my view on abortion. Especially when I saw the protests in Poland.

I now believe women should have the right to choose.

Abortion should be available at anytime during pregnancy for any reason.

Who am I to stop a woman or stand in her way?

I want to apologize to anyone upset with previous thread

The part in bold is what many people have a problem with.

"I don't like condoms", "The pill is too expensive" "I don't want to have stretch marks"... etc etc.

I also think that people have an issue with the blanket ban. A compromise is the best solution, and that doesn't mean getting the approval from 5 doctors and only under certain circumstances.

The unborn child should have a voice too.

dont bother · 06-10-2016 01:24PM

sorry, but abortion is sick. it's horrible to think that so many people in this country are brainwashed into believing it's their "right".

what do women want - in a nutshell - to go around having promiscuous sex, having abortions "until they're ready" and become succesful "businesswomen"?

it's absolute bullsh!t. i'm not religious in any way either, and would normally support a lot of socialist ideals, but i've changed MY mind about it recently.

it's horrible. it's not right. it's just downright selfish.
if you don't want to be in the position, then stop trying to be the "modern woman who "has it all" " cos you cant.

suicide_circus · 06-10-2016 01:24PM

I'm not convinced this is the most pressing issue facing ireland.

OldNotWIse · 06-10-2016 01:29PM

Kev_2012 wrote: »

Quick question on this topic.

If they repeal the 8th amendment, does that mean that in any case, regardless of how the pregnancy came about etc. etc. that a woman can just go in and get an abortion?

I honestly don't know the ins and outs so just wondering!

Thanks!

No. They would need to legislate for it. Part of the issue at the moment is that there is not a dicky bird about what that legislation could be. People would be expected to essentially vote in a vacuum. So, on an already inherently divisive issue, the risk is that both "sides" will become more and more polarised in the debate as one side believe abortion denies the unborn the constitutional right to life and another side believe denial of abortion (or at least having to travel to another jurisdiction to avail of it) is denying 50% of the population the constitutional right to bodily integrity. Regardless of where you fall, those are both fairly staunch views, and nobody will budge on either side without sight of what the legislation might actually be.

To be honest the whole thing is so fúcking tiresome already I feel like leaving Ireland until the issue is decided. One side shouting baby killers, the other side shouting misogynists. It'll be like the marriage referendum on speed

HensVassal · 06-10-2016 01:31PM

kupus wrote: »

How, convenient.

I wonder are you going to advertise repeal the 8th websites next.

And btw Im pro abortion but if people have something against it, they should be heard and not showboated as religious fascist zealots like a lot of you lefties here are fond of doing when somebody argues against you,
usually along the lines of deny, distort, deflect and defame.

Thats how democracy works.

Its too bad some of you dont go to saudi arabia and shout there for womens rights

No, its easier to bully the against vote in good old catholic controled ireland.

:pac:

and your user location.... :pac:

no let's not defame or showboat.

OldNotWIse · 06-10-2016 01:33PM

HensVassal wrote: »

:pac:

I'm right handed. How should I vote?

Lux23 · 06-10-2016 01:41PM

Potatoeman wrote: »

No. As a man I would face the consequenses of my actions and take responsibility for the result. I just feel like there is a double standard of expectations placed on me. I'm expected to 'do the right thing' which usually means whatever the woman chooses.

Poor you.

lee_baby_simms · 06-10-2016 01:42PM

ScumLord wrote: »

Potential life, is potential life. Why use an arbitrary event like contraception dictate when life begins?

I'm pretty sure that its along the lines of...

"Conception is when life begins which is the will of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ."

I have changed my views on abortion

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