Ireland Team Talk XI: Team of nervoUS MOD warning Post 1

jesus do any of you lads read some of the other views ...who is saying anything about throwing out a load of young lads? Anyway, Some of these lads fall into the exact same bracket as Doris and Kelleher, elite young talent.

If Murray is selected tomorrow, anybody defending it, is talking cack and moving the goalposts significantly.

I and many others see absolutely no point picking an experienced side against Georgia. As i said Marmion, Dillane, McCloskey all deserve a shot. baird, Cooney are deeply questionable omissions. Nobody is talking about picking craig Casey at 9 and H/Byrne at ten.

The problem is that he saw fit to make one change to a squad with absolutely no limits and pressure etc. I never ever said anything about starting young lads. Young lads are going to play. Personally i have a feeling he now needs to back up Doris, kelleher, JGP, Keenan. There's no point changing them.

aloooof wrote: »

Didn't Ringrose get his international debut when he was 21 and start all 6 nations games at 22?

He was ready for that summers tour, thats my point. and the argument at the time was he wasn't ready. He was. Ultimately it didn't matter and people can say the same this time. But personally i think they're kidding themselves.

Deleted User wrote: »

There will be a backbone of experienced players starting against Georgia. Murray could easily be one of them.

And there is nobody on this forum who would have said that would be the case. There is absolutely no point in it happening. Its a shocking call, there's no two ways about it. He might as well select Healy again and bring back Kearney its that conservative.

anyway all we can say is there is a block of very good talent, as good as Kelleher and Doris, coming through. its hardly a shock that some would have them involved. if these lads aren't the talent we think they are we are in big trouble. personally i think we might as well find out now in an environment without pressure, money, crowds, seedings all the usual excuses. i never said these guys are to start. he could have called them in even for match day or whatever, absolutely no harm. i probably threw out the whole shocking as i was quite angry. on relfection fine it doesn't really matter, i just don't get it sometimes. There's no question some of the calls make little sense. Baird for example. If Murray is selected to start its also baffling and something nobody on this forum would have predicted or wanted a few months back.

that segment of players missing is significant. I'd discount Sexton cause we need to move on now and Addison hasn't proved anything.

People need to stop comparing Ireland to wales or whoever. Each system is different. We're naturally getting a new crop of players coming through. Wales have tried loads of young players. With such a poor provincial system in Wales of course its going to turn out differently. Personally i favor NZ's and Australias approach to these matters. Anyway its nowhere near as bad as it was. LArmour, Ryan Ringrose, Furlong, Doris, Kelleher all backed young. Its nearly written in stone that 7 or 8 of these lads left out will be internationals next season. Casey has been unreal. Coombes looks like that big bruiser we need. Baird has that O'Brien zip. harry looks so much better than his brother. All the good parts of Ross' game as well. Larmour to come back, Kelleher will settle. Doris has that Heaslip look about him. Its far from doom and gloom that maybe i'm giving off, i'm quite optimistic. I do think we need more edge to this team though and i'd just like it all to happen sooner. But maybe Farrell sees the development pathway in a more a structured sense and being a fan of Jurgen Klopp and how he deals with youth i take the points on board. But the crap Easterbuy was coming out with today is nonsense and the selection of Murray will be nonsense as well.

Yeah_Right wrote: »

Tell me more about comparing/not comparing Ireland to other countries

I said i favor their approach. I didn't compare it at all. AS a rugby person i will always back players picked on form and potential. To many on here form didn't exist or doesn't exist, which is quite clearly a joke of a position to take. People are using Wales as an example of why Ireland don't need to change. Anyway there's plenty of people on here who are happy with the status quo and always have been. Questioned Ringrose, Larmour, now people going on about Kelleher. It will never change and there's no point trying to argue with some of you, its such a chore. The riposte is where were you in 2018. Where were you in 2019 when Farrell and Easterbuy were heavily involved in the calamity.

It doesn't matter cause Baird et al will all be internationals in 12 months time so i suppose everyone is just wasting their time. As i have conceded Farrell is the most progressive coach it seems so far. I just see this as a massively wasted opportunity for no reason other than to say you have to earn your stripes.. Cooney, McCloskey, Dillane i'm sure would all disagree on that one. Further to that i do think he and the coaching team are out of their depth, but the two aren't necessarily connected. In the future he'll possibly be a great head coach but we shouldn't have risked it on an inexperienced first timer.

whatever. I'd be fairly certain i'll be proved right, in time. No doubt many of you will be saying give it time...and we'll be crying again come 2023, wondering where it all went wrong.

He needs to keep the core of the team now for this Georgia game, now that he's backed the you need to earn your stripes line. Marmion, Dillane, Daly, McCloskey all need to start. Bring Stockdale in for some redemption. Billy Burns at ten.

bilston wrote: »

He can still pick a pretty inexperienced team for Georgia...for example

15 Shane Daly
14 James Lowe
13 Chris Farrell
12 Stuart McCloskey
11 Jacob Stockdale
10 Billy Burns
9 Conor Murray
1 Eric O'Sullivan
2 Ronan Kelleher
3 John Ryan
4 Iain Henderson
5 Ultan Dillane
6 CJ Stander
7 Will Connors
8 Caelan Doris

Yeah now that he's gone with it, its a fair side apart from at 9 if we're being honest about what we wanted from this block of games etc. But it looks likely Murray will start. Either way Ireland with an inexperienced or experienced team are putting at least 30 points on these lads. So we learn nothing anyway. Look whos to say he won't use an Italian game for something, or Scotland. Meaningful, tough games but games where you could learn a thing or two.

Yeah cause thats what everyone would have guessed last season. If somebody had suggested that on here, next November we'd be picking Murray against Georgia in a nothing test, people would have called you a troll. Its a much deeper problem here. Cooney, Marmion, Blade are worth a shot as much as JGP. ditto with McGrath who has recovered well. Conor has got a bit of his mojo back but we learn nothing picking him. But no people have to say its madness picking a kid. Its nothing to do with bloody Casey. Who will be a multi cap international regardless. Anyway yeah who knows he's not a dead cert, but if he's picked you'll see i'm far from the only person who would round on that type of nothing selection. You might as well leave Cian in there for the same argument. Porter too. Sure why not just keep the same 15 for the craic.

sydthebeat wrote: »

youre still all over the place, its like something written by a schizophrenic.

have a break, wait till the team is named, take some time to consider WHY certain selections are made...

then come back and put a coherent argument together

absolutely ****ing disgraceful. i won't even dignify that with a response.