What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

18-09-2020 4:10pm

Slowyourrole wrote: »

Irish youngsters engaging in local culture. I understand they've passed some of this culture onto people from immigrant backgrounds. Such a shame.

Yup.. I get the idea. However, imagine if all the money that has been spent on bringing in, supporting, educating, etc migrants had instead been spent on low income communities, providing specialised education and support schemes, along with more employment initiatives to give these people better opportunities in life. Hell, even initiatives to teach parents how to raise their children in a better way.

Now, wouldn't that be an interesting idea? fix the problems within our own society before bringing in others, who will almost definitely join the lowest economic groups.

biko · 21-09-2020 10:53am

Slowyourrole wrote: »

I understand they've passed some of this culture onto people from immigrant backgrounds.

How do you understand this? Did they tell you?

Eric Cartman · 21-09-2020 10:59am

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

What a shīthole.

Next time you see the deductions on your pay slip remember where the money is going.

These are all our own dragged up parasites

and can you imagine that there are people who want to import more of them...

Kivaro · 21-09-2020 12:04pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

and can you imagine that there are people who want to import more of them...

There is actually a petition on Change.org to bring migrants in from Lesbos to Ireland. A reward for arson? What is unsurprising is that the vast majority of those Irish people signing the petition will not contribute any money themselves to pay for the lifetime of welfare, housing, and social services that these migrants will receive when they get here. It just takes one click to sign that petition, but the cost to the workers in this country will be for a lifetime.

Gervais08 · 21-09-2020 12:10pm

How can there be genuine “multiculturalism” when the nutjobs on the left scream “cultural appropriation” every time someone tries on an outfit from a different nation ??

Wouldn’t it be great if we could all experience the best bits of each other’s cultures ??? I’ve a colleague from Ghana who drinks Guinness like it’s going out of style and laughs at my ignorance of GAA as he knows practically everything about it!!!

Isn’t that a good thing ?? Yet if I was to immerse myself in Ghanaian dress or hair etc I’d be on a cancel list.

I don’t get it!!

21-09-2020 1:49pm

Gervais08 wrote: »

How can there be genuine “multiculturalism” when the nutjobs on the left scream “cultural appropriation” every time someone tries on an outfit from a different nation ??

Wouldn’t it be great if we could all experience the best bits of each other’s cultures ??? I’ve a colleague from Ghana who drinks Guinness like it’s going out of style and laughs at my ignorance of GAA as he knows practically everything about it!!!

Isn’t that a good thing ?? Yet if I was to immerse myself in Ghanaian dress or hair etc I’d be on a cancel list.

I don’t get it!!

Nah. You wouldn't. Cultural appropriation is only something that goes on in the US (even there it's a relatively rare accusation), or on social media. Just stay off twitter or facebook, and you can immerse yourself in Ghanaian culture as much as you want. There will always be individual activists with extreme views... it's how they get their likes.

There's nothing stopping you from embracing other cultures in Ireland.

Gervais08 · 21-09-2020 1:55pm

Good to know - I was showed this guys mother at a family do there, glam was not the word - id love to dress like that for Mass, you’d feel like a film star!!!

21-09-2020 2:04pm

Gervais08 wrote: »

Good to know - I was showed this guys mother at a family do there, glam was not the word - id love to dress like that for Mass, you’d feel like a film star!!!

Ahh.. that's different though. You're taking foreign behavior and pushing it into a usually traditional setting, like mass. That's asking for attention... Foreigners can get away with it because allowances are made, because... they're foreign.

Doing so at my Church, as an Irish person, you'd receive condemnation from the more traditional and outspoken attendees (although most would be too polite to say anything directly.. apart from the hostile stares). We have many Africans at our church services who dress flamboyantly, but it wouldn't be very acceptable for White people to do the same. Different expectations.

Thelonious Monk · 21-09-2020 8:37pm

https://www.euronews.com/2020/09/21/new-eu-migration-pact-requires-member-states-to-take-more-migrants-from-frontline-nations

Looks like we'll be taking loads more lol, I honestly couldn't care less who lives here or what colour or creed my neighbour is. Life is too short to care.

Wibbs · 21-09-2020 8:51pm

The EU will get strong resistance from countries like Poland and I hope they do. I've always been pro EU, but the same EU can eff off on this bollocks. Then again our political class ever with an eye to a cushy retirement in Brussels will as usual bend over and present their bare arses to their EU bosses. They most certainly wouldn't risk putting something so culturally changing as this to the Irish voters, because, well they know what the answer is likely to be. But that doesn't matter. Democracy my arse. Spineless pricks the lot of them.

Thelonious Monk · 21-09-2020 9:02pm

Wibbs wrote: »

The EU will get strong resistance from countries like Poland and I hope they do. I've always been pro EU, but the same EU can eff off on this bollocks. Then again our political class ever with an eye to a cushy retirement in Brussels will as usual bend over and present their bare arses to their EU bosses. They most certainly wouldn't risk putting something so culturally changing as this to the Irish voters, because, well they know what the answer is likely to be. But that doesn't matter. Democracy my arse. Spineless pricks the lot of them.

It's not really fair for Italy and Greece and the Med countries to have to take them all either. Will be interesting to see if this trickles down to us.

21-09-2020 9:16pm

Wibbs wrote: »

The EU will get strong resistance from countries like Poland and I hope they do. I've always been pro EU, but the same EU can eff off on this bollocks. Then again our political class ever with an eye to a cushy retirement in Brussels will as usual bend over and present their bare arses to their EU bosses. They most certainly wouldn't risk putting something so culturally changing as this to the Irish voters, because, well they know what the answer is likely to be. But that doesn't matter. Democracy my arse. Spineless pricks the lot of them.

The problem is that this will only increase the desire to leave the EU, therefore leaving us all weaker than before to stand up to the giants of the world (Russia, the US, China, and whatever else comes along). The southern nations of Europe have always been economically less successful, and more affected by market conditions. And while the Northern nations "tend" to be more resilient and capable of maintaining their economies, they've become rather shaky over the last two decades.

Pushing migrants on to countries is just going to encourage social unrest as people blame the migrants for any economic and social problems. In some cases, they are indirectly responsible, but at the same time, this will give ammunition to the anti-immigration crowd (which is fine, kinda), but also the more extreme elements (which isn't fine).

I really don't like the path the EU has decided to take.. It's short sighted, and self-destructive. Now is the time for Europeans to be looking after other Europeans, building stronger bonds, and developing a better more stable economic system for all members... not importing trouble. And these migrants are trouble.

Does anyone really think, that after their experiences so far with being blocked from getting into Europe, that these migrants will be grateful, and want to integrate with our societies?

Strumms · 21-09-2020 9:33pm

Immigration is giving people a chance, a second chance.

It’s accepting people into our country, into our community.

It’s helping them with accommodation / shelter , money, health services, advice.

If an asylum seeker is willing while here to abide by the law, respect their fellow asylum seekers, the Irish people, our laws, fantastic.

If they can’t, without question they need to be fast track deported.

ONE strike and its goodbye. If that’s robbing a packet of Jaffa cakes, or an assault.... next available flight home.

The law is needing to be unambiguous, clear, with no recourse for tying the system up in a flood of appeals.

We are and have been a soft touch. Let that end now.

imme · 21-09-2020 9:53pm

Strumms wrote: »

Immigration is giving people a chance, a second chance.

It’s accepting people into our country, into our community.

It’s helping them with accommodation / shelter , money, health services, advice.

If an asylum seeker is willing while here to abide by the law, respect their fellow asylum seekers, the Irish people, our laws, fantastic.

If they can’t, without question they need to be fast track deported.

ONE strike and its goodbye. If that’s robbing a packet of Jaffa cakes, or an assault.... next available flight home.

The law is needing to be unambiguous, clear, with no recourse for tying the system up in a flood of appeals.

We are and have been a soft touch. Let that end now.

It doesn't work like that in the Irish experience.

We end with people coming to the Ireland of Ireland, island of Ireland, claiming they've been persecuted at home, their lives are in danger.

How did you get to Ireland, you couldn't have flown here directly.

Starting off on a lie isn't a good way to start a relationship or a new life, is it.

You can't deport people once you've granted them protection, it is simply too late.

Mules · 21-09-2020 9:56pm

Gervais08 wrote: »

How can there be genuine “multiculturalism” when the nutjobs on the left scream “cultural appropriation” every time someone tries on an outfit from a different nation ??

Wouldn’t it be great if we could all experience the best bits of each other’s cultures ??? I’ve a colleague from Ghana who drinks Guinness like it’s going out of style and laughs at my ignorance of GAA as he knows practically everything about it!!!

Isn’t that a good thing ?? Yet if I was to immerse myself in Ghanaian dress or hair etc I’d be on a cancel list.

I don’t get it!!

You're talking common sense, that's not allowed

ExMachina1000 · 21-09-2020 9:57pm

Strumms wrote: »

Immigration is giving people a chance, a second chance.

It’s accepting people into our country, into our community.

It’s helping them with accommodation / shelter , money, health services, advice.

If an asylum seeker is willing while here to abide by the law, respect their fellow asylum seekers, the Irish people, our laws, fantastic.

If they can’t, without question they need to be fast track deported.

ONE strike and its goodbye. If that’s robbing a packet of Jaffa cakes, or an assault.... next available flight home.

The law is needing to be unambiguous, clear, with no recourse for tying the system up in a flood of appeals.

We are and have been a soft touch. Let that end now.

Sounds fair.

Where will we put them when they arrive?
How many will be taken in before we say no more? Will we ever say no more?

Wibbs · 21-09-2020 10:21pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

It's not really fair for Italy and Greece and the Med countries to have to take them all either.

It's not and I'd solve that by stopping them getting into anywhere in the EU in the first place. Vigorously. I'd certainly be stopping the taxi service operated by various EU navies including our own. I'd look to paying the Greeks for example who have a tonne of them already to set up admin camps and any that aren't fleeing actual persecution ship them back from whence they came. Those that are already in country and not actual asylum seekers I'd also ship them back. That will cost less in both economic and cultural terms than going on as the EU has been.

Will be interesting to see if this trickles down to us.

Oh I'd bet our political class will be among the first in line to run to their EU masters to show how complaint they are, so I'd not be surprised to see a fair oul trickle.

Strumms · 21-09-2020 10:24pm

imme wrote: »

It doesn't work like that in the Irish experience.

We end with people coming to the Ireland of Ireland, island of Ireland, claiming they've been persecuted at home, their lives are in danger.

How did you get to Ireland, you couldn't have flown here directly.

Starting off on a lie isn't a good way to start a relationship or a new life, is it.

You can't deport people once you've granted them protection, it is simply too late.

They can claim they were to be drowned in acid, but that STILL means when we lend a hand, they play by the rules. ALL the rules.

Strumms · 21-09-2020 10:26pm

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Sounds fair.

Where will we put them when they arrive?
How many will be taken in before we say no more? Will we ever say no more?

I don’t know re : numbers, will we ever say no more ? CAN we as an EU member state ? Say ‘enough for now’ ?

21-09-2020 10:31pm

imme wrote: »

You can't deport people once you've granted them protection, it is simply too late.

Except you should be. If I encounter someone on the street who is in trouble, help them out, then I shouldn't be held responsible for their lives forever afterward.

Asylum should be finite. Temporary. In some cases, people are fleeing direct and traceable threats to their lives. For example, Political activists who are marked for death by a foreign government. But when that government falls (as they do) or the situation in their home country changes, then they should be encouraged to leave the country that protected them. Where they go is up to them, but it would be dependent on normal migration policies (education/skills, etc).

This is even more important with refugees. The world is unstable, and in many cases, at war. People will leave to find safety elsewhere. Understandable. But no country should be under an obligation to provide shelter to them forever, and to provide citizenship as an extra benefit. Refugees should be provided with the help needed to become independent (education, and basic financial support), and then, given the chance to migrate, again, based on normal migration policies.

This need to give eternal shelter to those in need is utterly retarded. We have migration policies for normal people who want to work and live here. Why are so many migrants being given rights or benefits beyond the normal migration practices? It doesn't make logical sense.

The UN has a lot to answer for this. TBH I'm not quite sure why we're all so bound to obey their laws, when they've proven time and time again to be hopeless at doing what they're supposed to do with regards to non-western nations.

In the end though, we need to start regulating asylum or refugees in a different way. It should have an expiry date. Those individuals who are given that status should have their situations reviewed every 6 months, to determine whether we really need to be providing help... or whether they're taking advantage of a rather inefficient/impractical system.

21-09-2020 10:35pm

Strumms wrote: »

I don’t know re : numbers, will we ever say no more ? CAN we as an EU member state ? Say ‘enough for now’ ?

Sure, we can. Poland did. It's just takes balls, which I seriously doubt our political elite have.

Mr. Karate · 21-09-2020 10:37pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

It's not really fair for Italy and Greece and the Med countries to have to take them all either. Will be interesting to see if this trickles down to us.

You know... Maybe these Countries should have thought of that BEFORE they started yelling "Come on In." .

They wanted to play the nice guy and get social media likes so let them suffer the consequences of their stupidity. Why should we have to suffer because they were stupid?

ExMachina1000 · 21-09-2020 10:41pm

NGOs are the real problem here. Its impossible to maintain a strong and organized border while they are undermining it at every opportunity by ferrying people across the Mediterranean. This is encouraging more people to come and risk the journey.

Strumms · 21-09-2020 10:42pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Sure, we can. Poland did. It's just takes balls, which I seriously doubt our political elite have.

Balls is something our politicians don’t have a lot of. Covid has brought that home very succinctly they’ll hesitate and be worried about getting it in the neck from the EU AND many of the soft hearted yet soft brained here.

imme · 22-09-2020 11:29am

Strumms wrote: »

They can claim they were to be drowned in acid, but that STILL means when we lend a hand, they play by the rules. ALL the rules.

Will you end up with 50,000 poor people coming to Ireland every year.

What jobs will they all get, or will they straight on to PUP.

Where will they live.

Will they all be getting free housing, health care and education from the start.
Without ever having paid a cent towards their cost.

As it is we have people in direct provision saying that they're being traumatised by their food and treatment.

Is there anything that they need to know or understand about Ireland, Europe, the Western world.

Is there any kind of integration anticipated in the plan, or will each community of Africans, Asians, former soviet bloc peoples, Middle Easterners, South Americans be separated from each other and the 'old irish', living separate lives.

Mules · 22-09-2020 11:48am

My concern is the pressure on public services. The health system and the housing situation can't cope with our current population but then Varadkar says he want the population to grow by 1million in his 2040 plan. The numbers he wants will have to come by immigration because Irish people aren't having enough children to make to make up the 1 million. Why increase the population anyway. I don't want to live in an overcrowded country with public services falling apart.

I don't get why no one in the media and the main opposition parties are at least calling for a debate on it. Isn't it weird that there is consensus across the board on it?

Another thing is, that i work in an organisation that provides a grant to people from the most socio economically deprived areas in the country to go to further education. I've seen a disproportionate number of foreign born and asylum seekers living in those areas. It's madness to add more people to areas with high levels of unemployment and lack of services. A lot of Irish people who live there are in a poverty trap and i think it will be a lot worse for people from abroad who have poor English and low levels of education. Tbh I'd be nervous that we will end up with areas like the banleaus (sp) in Paris. Ireland has never been great at planning for the long term and I don't see the current policy regarding immigration turning out well.

22-09-2020 12:05pm

Mules wrote: »

My concern is the pressure on public services. The health system and the housing situation can't cope with our current population but then Varadkar says he want the population to grow by 1million in his 2040 plan. The numbers he wants will have to come by immigration because Irish people aren't having enough children to make to make up the 1 million. Why increase the population anyway. I don't want to live in an overcrowded country with public services falling apart.

Increasing the population doesn't make sense anyway, since we have a services and technology based economy, which requires less workers, than an agrarian or industrial nation. Countries like Germany need a higher population because they've retained elements of all economic industries, but Ireland hasn't. In any case, with automation on the horizon, many previous jobs will become redundant, and so less need for a larger population.

Also considering the rising costs of living in Ireland, bringing in people who don't have the skills/education to independently earn well, simply increases the burden on the existing taxpayers... even with an increasing older population, the burden will remain on, for the most part, non-migrants, due to the gap in bringing them up to speed in terms of education and language acquisition. Becoming taxpayers themselves will simply be paying back the long period of cost involved in supporting and educating them, so it's dubious whether there's a "profit" for the nation in having these migrants. Especially, since many will leave Ireland once they receive EU citizenship, and move to other countries such as Germany...

Mules · 22-09-2020 12:11pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Increasing the population doesn't make sense anyway, since we have a services and technology based economy, which requires less workers, than an agrarian or industrial nation. Countries like Germany need a higher population because they've retained elements of all economic industries, but Ireland hasn't. In any case, with automation on the horizon, many previous jobs will become redundant, and so less need for a larger population.

Also considering the rising costs of living in Ireland, bringing in people who don't have the skills/education to independently earn well, simply increases the burden on the existing taxpayers... even with an increasing older population, the burden will remain on, for the most part, non-migrants, due to the gap in bringing them up to speed in terms of education and language acquisition. Becoming taxpayers themselves will simply be paying back the long period of cost involved in supporting and educating them, so it's dubious whether there's a "profit" for the nation in having these migrants. Especially, since many will leave Ireland once they receive EU citizenship, and move to other countries such as Germany...

That's it exactly, so why are so many in the media and in politics not even questioning it. If it's obvious to us, why aren't they seeing it

Are they all optimistic or just not thinking things through?

22-09-2020 12:17pm

Mules wrote: »

That's it exactly, so why are so many in the media and in politics not even questioning it. If it's obvious to us, why aren't they seeing it Are they all optimistic or just not thinking things through?

They don't care. Look at our politicians and those in the media. They earn good money (and job security), which place them higher than the average Irish person. They're the "elite", and as such, they can easily endure any tax hikes, or expenses that the remainder of Irish people might struggle with.

They can afford to virtue signal... because it won't affect them in their really nice neighborhoods, and won't cost them much.

Strumms · 22-09-2020 1:00pm

As long as covid is hanging over us, the door needs to be closed. We NEED to target every resource we have in terms of helping the citizens of this country, here.

When we were in a position to help, we did.

Now we are not we need to say, “ok for now, we cannot accept anyone else, the cost of this heath crisis means it’s not possible.”

We have to do this as our primary loyalties are to the citizens here.

We cannot become traitors to our our people, their needs, them having paid for the running of the HSE to tell them ‘no sorry, we cannot pay for your treatment’... while accepting hundreds and thousands of people here, to give them medical cards, accommodation, cash..... THATS what’s happening. They took both my parents medical cards, my father has a heart issue, arthritis and a stomach issue, he is in his 80’s...

There just isn’t a bottomless pit of money with which to extend a hand outside of our borders and invite people in.

The money we do have, the resources in terms of our health facilities, our health staff... doctors, nurses, carers, virologists, security, cleaners will be as it stands, be at breaking point. Because of covid but because people are STILL getting cancer diagnosis's, having heart attacks, breaking legs, diabetes...

We need to focus OUR resources at and for the people who amassed those resources.

We are in a situation where people who paid in are being told NO, you can’t get a dig out , yet somebody landing here, gets EVERY dig out.

Thelonious Monk · 22-09-2020 1:29pm

If you think it's bad now, wait a bit. Africa is looking at the worst recession since the 1970s because of all this covid jazz. Climate change is going to force millions to have to move and how many of them are going to try and get to Europe? We are an island on the edge of Europe though so I would imagine our intake wont grow too much as we're not gonna get boat people and people walking here like in Britain and Germany.
The way we run the world means the planet is f*cked anyway, but it looks like we ain't seen nothing yet when it comes to mass migration of people, and who would blame them, I've no doubt I'd probably be one of those people trying to get to Europe if I was from some war torn or poor as f*ck country.

TomTomTim · 22-09-2020 1:34pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

If you think it's bad now, wait a bit. Africa is looking at the worst recession since the 1970s because of all this covid jazz. Climate change is going to force millions to have to move and how many of them are going to try and get to Europe?
The way we run the world means the planet is f*cked anyway, but it looks like we ain't seen nothing yet when it comes to mass migration of people.

I struggle to see how this will be a reality? It seems that the media are already prepping the bull regardless, as I've seen mentions of climate refugees many times already. Why would you flee to another continent over climate change anyway? Is it not a global issue? Regardless of the narratives used, I can't see anyone leaving their countries over climate change, but that won't stop the media class and activists alike, from using it as another excuse for mass-immigration.

Thelonious Monk · 22-09-2020 1:43pm

TomTomTim wrote: »

I struggle to see how this will be a reality? It seems that the media are already prepping the bull regardless, as I've seen mentions of climate refugees many times already. Why would you flee to another continent over climate change anyway? Is it not a global issue? Regardless of the narratives used, I can't see anyone leaving their countries over climate change, but that won't stop the media class and activists alike, from using it as another excuse for mass-immigration.

If your country became uninhabitable you would stay there anyway?
It's already happening, parts of Central America are already experiencing drought and famine and walking up to the USA.

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2019/jul/29/guatemala-climate-crisis-migration-drought-famine

LeeroyJ. · 22-09-2020 1:57pm

Gervais08 wrote: »

How can there be genuine “multiculturalism” when the nutjobs on the left scream “cultural appropriation” every time someone tries on an outfit from a different nation ??

Wouldn’t it be great if we could all experience the best bits of each other’s cultures ??? I’ve a colleague from Ghana who drinks Guinness like it’s going out of style and laughs at my ignorance of GAA as he knows practically everything about it!!!

Isn’t that a good thing ?? Yet if I was to immerse myself in Ghanaian dress or hair etc I’d be on a cancel list.

I don’t get it!!

Immersing yourself into African culture for a dinner, celebration, travelling there or because you enjoy the look and style is fine

Wearing it for Halloween or for some likes on an Instagram post if where it becomes rather unacceptable.

Hector Savage · 22-09-2020 2:04pm

LeeroyJ. wrote: »

Immersing yourself into African culture for a dinner, celebration, travelling there or because you enjoy the look and style is fine

Wearing it for Halloween or for some likes on an Instagram post if where it becomes rather unacceptable.

Becomes rather unacceptable !! says who ?

Would you go away ourra da !!!

LeeroyJ. · 22-09-2020 2:07pm

Hector Savage wrote: »

Becomes rather unacceptable !! says who ?

Would you go away ourra da !!!

Society, the same society that deems calling other cultures derogatory terms, dictates what is acceptable to do in public and what is rather unacceptable in public. You are welcome to do it but shouldn't be surprised if there is a societal backlash. It's part of a societal contract, nobody makes the rules but it evolves over time and adjust to what society deems acceptable.

Dyr · 22-09-2020 2:13pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

If your country became uninhabitable you would stay there anyway?
It's already happening, parts of Central America are already experiencing drought and famine and walking up to the USA.

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2019/jul/29/guatemala-climate-crisis-migration-drought-famine

Ah the Guardian, if it isnt Trump then its climate change, I assume it was climate change that caused the dusbowl of the 30s and the Ethiopian famine of the 80s rather than just human mismangement.

Thelonious Monk · 22-09-2020 2:17pm

Bambi wrote: »

Ah the Guardian, if it isnt Trump then its climate change, I assume it was climate change that caused the dusbowl of the 30s and the Ethiopian famine of the 80s rather than just human mismangement.

ok I know people on boards don't believe in climate change, but we are mismanaging the Earth pretty much as bad as we possibly could right now, and exploding populations in poor countries along with dwindling resources will still rise to massive numbers migrating.

LeeroyJ. · 22-09-2020 2:20pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

ok I know people on boards don't believe in climate change, but we are mismanaging the Earth pretty much as bad as we possibly could right now, and exploding populations in poor countries along with dwindling resources will still rise to massive numbers migrating.

I think this thread is a lost cause mate, seems to be the "Irish Patriots" Anti-vax, anti mask, anti immigration, anti everything Elite in here. Time to unfollow.

Dyr · 22-09-2020 2:32pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

ok I know people on boards don't believe in climate change, but we are mismanaging the Earth pretty much as bad as we possibly could right now, and exploding populations in poor countries along with dwindling resources will still rise to massive numbers migrating.

I'm going to take a guess its Guatamalas huge rise in population thats fuelling emigration far more than any climate change but dont tell the Guardian that.

Hector Savage · 22-09-2020 2:40pm

LeeroyJ. wrote: »

Society, the same society that deems calling other cultures derogatory terms, dictates what is acceptable to do in public and what is rather unacceptable in public. You are welcome to do it but shouldn't be surprised if there is a societal backlash. It's part of a societal contract, nobody makes the rules but it evolves over time and adjust to what society deems acceptable.

That's some leap, some people also want to ban "To kill a mockingbird" and "of mice and men" - doesn't mean it's a sensible move.

weldoninhio · 22-09-2020 3:09pm

Strumms wrote: »

I don’t know re : numbers, will we ever say no more ? CAN we as an EU member state ? Say ‘enough for now’ ?

We gained a veto from taking any of them as past of one of the treaty’s we voted wrongly the first time for. We’ll never use it. Not when Dáil Éireann is a stepping stone to the EU parliament.

TomTomTim · 22-09-2020 4:22pm

LeeroyJ. wrote: »

I think this thread is a lost cause mate, seems to be the "Irish Patriots" Anti-vax, anti mask, anti immigration, anti everything Elite in here. Time to unfollow.

You people love to use this cheap tactic. You love to throw all the groups that you don't like into one even though there is no evidence. There's zero in this thread about masks, anti-vax, or even patriotism, yet that never stops you from slinging ****. It's outright pathetic, and completely transparent, yet it will continue, because you have nothing else.

22-09-2020 4:56pm

TomTomTim wrote: »

I struggle to see how this will be a reality? It seems that the media are already prepping the bull regardless, as I've seen mentions of climate refugees many times already. Why would you flee to another continent over climate change anyway? Is it not a global issue? Regardless of the narratives used, I can't see anyone leaving their countries over climate change, but that won't stop the media class and activists alike, from using it as another excuse for mass-immigration.

The problem is more than climate change but also the local habits of farmers, or rather herders. Desertification spreads. Deforestation spreads. It doesn't stay in one area obeying national borders. The behaviors of one group of people in a region will likely affect the overall region.

So, it's the case that as this grows worse, people will move to their neighboring country, find that it's just as bad, and move on... ever on. Either staying to put greater strain on resources (while still following their original bad habits), or moving on to another country.

The problem is reputation. Europe, the US, Western nations have a reputation for prosperity and abundance... so even if Europe does decline, that reputation will continue in the minds of people far away, and will remain a place of hope as everywhere else goes to ****.

LeeroyJ. wrote: »

Society, the same society that deems calling other cultures derogatory terms, dictates what is acceptable to do in public and what is rather unacceptable in public. You are welcome to do it but shouldn't be surprised if there is a societal backlash. It's part of a societal contract, nobody makes the rules but it evolves over time and adjust to what society deems acceptable.

I've noticed a lot of this on boards recently, but the reality doesn't reflect what you say. It's only really on social media where this carryon is happening or US campuses. Society is not social media... thankfully.

If you want to dress up in traditional Chinese clothes for Halloween, nobody will care except for some idiots on social media.. and they're easily ignored.

22-09-2020 5:02pm

LeeroyJ. wrote: »

I think this thread is a lost cause mate, seems to be the "Irish Patriots" Anti-vax, anti mask, anti immigration, anti everything Elite in here. Time to unfollow.

Well.. I, for one, am incredibly impressed by your insight, considering this is... your second post to the thread within the last 40 pages? Were you even subscribed to the thread at all?

So... Who talked about Irish Patriots on this thread? Ahh yes, the pro-immigration crowd. Anti-Vax? Where is that mentioned?

Anti-immigration... actually no. If you had bothered to read the posts you would find it's not as simplistic as that..

Anti-elite? gibberish.

I get the feeling you just came in to crap on the thread. A lost cause...? haha. Yeah.. Incredibly insightful contributions coming from you. :rolleyes:

Gervais08 · 22-09-2020 5:22pm

LeeroyJ. wrote: »

Society, the same society that deems calling other cultures derogatory terms, dictates what is acceptable to do in public and what is rather unacceptable in public. You are welcome to do it but shouldn't be surprised if there is a societal backlash. It's part of a societal contract, nobody makes the rules but it evolves over time and adjust to what society deems acceptable.

White Chicks was on last night. Two black lads dressed as white girls for the craic - acceptable to you or no ?

Thelonious Monk · 22-09-2020 5:24pm

Gervais08 wrote: »

White Chicks was on last night. Two black lads dressed as white girls for the craic - acceptable to you or no ?

That's not offensive to white people though, I'm sure you know that.

Wibbs · 22-09-2020 6:21pm

LeeroyJ. wrote: »

I think this thread is a lost cause mate, seems to be the "Irish Patriots" Anti-vax, anti mask, anti immigration, anti everything Elite in here. Time to unfollow.

Nope. I'm not particularly patriotic, I'm pro mask, pro vaccination, pro Gay/Women's rights, pro choice, anti exploitation of poorer nations and their poorest etc. How does that fit your narrative?

Well it doesn't because it has been quite clear throughout this thread that the pro multiculturalists have, well, nothing, or very little by way of argument in favour beyond diversity for its own sake, old style exoticism and appeals to charity, with a side order in some of White guilt. That's all the barrels fired.

When questioned on these and other points like the obvious negatives that are quite clearly seen in every European nation that has tried to run this social experiment with vanishingly few exceptions what follows next as night follows day is exactly the response you've typed. IE wave away any dissent, or even thinking for yourself about the subject you see as an accepted truth, with calls along the lines of "echo chamber/racists/etc" and then flounce off.

TL;DR? For something seen by the pro diversity posters as such an obviously defensible position to hold, it remains to be continuously amazing to me how little actual worthwhile debate exists in that side of the argument. I genuinely thought there would be more. That I might be convinced to shift from my position. Instead the debate here has bolstered it.

22-09-2020 6:29pm

Wibbs wrote: »

I genuinely thought there would be more. That I might be convinced to shift from my position. Instead the debate here has bolstered it.

Well.. I could switch sides and attempt to argue for their sake. Show them how it's done, and all that jazz.

Gervais08 · 22-09-2020 6:33pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

That's not offensive to white people though, I'm sure you know that.

Why not?? If “blackface” to make fun of those with dark skin is wrong then why isn’t that ?

What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

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