Openeir rural FTTH tracking

tsue921i8wljb3 · 14-05-2017 8:57pm #1

I have redesigned the rural FTTH spreadsheet that is used for tracking premises passed. It is now possible to track the number of premises passed by month from the beginning of the project. Hopefully this will give a clearer view of the project's progression.

The new spreadsheet contains six sheets. The first contains the Overall detail for the country. Each subsequent sheet contains the counties divided alphabetically.

They are:

C
D - G
K - L
M - S
T - W

If anyone has any questions or suggestions post them here and I will try to answer. I will post the monthly updates in this thread as things can get lost among the discussion in the other large one. I hope people find this useful.

Openeir rural FTTH project tracker

John mac · 14-05-2017 9:59pm

Great job. very clear and concise..

would it be possible to make the county manes on the overall tab, hyperlink to the corresponding tab. ?

tsue921i8wljb3 · 14-05-2017 10:07pm

John mac wrote: »

Great job. very clear and concise..

would it be possible to make the county manes on the overall tab, hyperlink to the corresponding tab. ?

Yes I'll do that. Thanks.

Johnboy1951 · 15-05-2017 9:47am

Nicely done Navi.

It is a pity that some exchanges that are known to be at least partially done have no figures available for them.

I believe that Ennis is likely completed (420 rural out of 1,880) and there are large numbers in Tralee (750) and Kilkenny (640) for which figures are not available.

The lack of figures for such exchanges (there are a few) must be affecting the overall accuracy of the document.

Unfortunately I have no idea from where one might get correct figures to help

plodder · 15-05-2017 10:01am

Very useful spreadsheet. I notice also that while the official Openeir map was updated recently, the Eircode lookup does not seem to have been updated with the same information. For example, I was moved from Spring/Summer to Summer/Autumn of this year on the map, but the Eircode lookup still says first half of the year. I suppose it's possible that could actually be right, but I doubt it.

Gonzo · 15-05-2017 10:45am

I don't find the eircode information much uptodate, still says first half of 2017 for me, even tho I have FTTH since April 8th!.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 12-06-2017 8:11pm

damienirel · 12-06-2017 9:05pm

3040 - wow! My predictions that the 300k don't have a chance to be finished by eoy 2018, may come true. Not exactly delighted about it either.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 12-06-2017 9:13pm

damienirel wrote: »

3040 - wow! My predictions that the 300k don't have a chance to be finished by eoy 2018, may come true. Not exactly delighted about it either.

As it stands I'd tend to agree with you. The pickup in pace doesn't seem to have materialised. The fact that the penalty clause, which eir will face if they miss the deadline, was never published makes me suspicious.

Danny Boy · 12-06-2017 9:58pm

Kohen Blue Cannabis wrote: »

The map was updated today. Here are the areas that have been given scheduled due dates:

Donegal|Ardara|28th Jun
Donegal |Burtonport| 5th Jul
Donegal |Carrick| 28th Jun
Donegal |Clonmany| 28th Jun
Donegal |Kilcar| 21st Jun
Donegal |Kincasslagh| 28th Jun
Dublin |Shankill| 5th Jul
Dublin |Skerries| 14th Jun
Galway |Ballyconneely| 28th Jun
Galway |Castleblakney| 5th Jul
Kildare |Maynooth| 5th Jul
Louth| Louth| 28th Jun
Louth| Omeath| 5th Jul
Meath |Julianstown| 5th Jul
Waterford |Bonmahon| 28th Jun
Westmeath |Collinstown| 5th Jul
Wexford |Killurin| 5th Jul

The tracker has been updated also. It was a disappointing month with only 3040 extra premises being passed. Lots of areas actually had the number of homes reduced from previous months.

As it stands, by my calculations, there are 37570 premises passed. This is excluding urban areas that are part of the rural project.

There are also 11 areas listed as live that do not have a number of premises given. I will try to find a way to obtain these numbers.

http://fibrerollout.ie/rollout-map/where-to-buy/

This link says there's 50,000+ yellow line live?!

tsue921i8wljb3 · 12-06-2017 10:05pm

Danny Boy wrote: »

http://fibrerollout.ie/rollout-map/where-to-buy/

This link says there's 50,000+ yellow line live?!

It says "fibre broadband" not FTTH which leads me to believe that they may be including premises passed by FTTC in this number. As I said above my figures are not complete but I am unsure if I am out by 12500.

Jpmarn · 13-06-2017 1:46pm

I'm disappointed there is no definite live dates for 2 Limerick exchanges. Crossagalla has Fibre lines up since the last days of April and early May. I don't think the rollout is completed yet. Fibre lines are being rolled out in the Inch St. Lawernce area and this is about the third week of work. Both exchanges are still stuck on the Summer/Autumn on OpenEir rollout maps. Keep up the good work navi.

damienirel · 13-06-2017 4:15pm

Jpmarn wrote: »

I'm disappointed there is no definite live dates for 2 Limerick exchanges. Crossagalla has Fibre lines up since the last days of April and early May. I don't think the rollout is completed yet. Fibre lines are being rolled out in the Inch St. Lawernce area and this is about the third week of work. Both exchanges are still stuck on the Summer/Autumn on OpenEir rollout maps. Keep up the good work navi.

if you check ->
https://c12ad0aaddf547e7aa52-04361240f0fcddabb02028a259afe028.ssl.cf3.rackcdn.com/Rural-Exchange-Timeline-24-April-2017.pdf

Both those exchanges are down for the first half 2017 - so it looks as if there is a lot more work to be done to finish those areas, hence the sort of disclaimer at the top of that doc. "Please note for operational reasons the timings may change."

tsue921i8wljb3 · 23-06-2017 7:25pm

There was another update to the map today. The following areas got a due live date of the 19th of July:

Donegal Lifford
Kerry Dingle
Kerry Lixnaw
Wexford Duncormick

There were also another ~3600 extra premises passed taking the total for the month to 6658.

The tracker has been updated.

pegasus1 · 25-06-2017 7:18pm

Kohen Blue Cannabis wrote: »

Danny Boy wrote: »

http://fibrerollout.ie/rollout-map/where-to-buy/

This link says there's 50,000+ yellow line live?!

It says "fibre broadband" not FTTH which leads me to believe that they may be including premises passed by FTTC in this number. As I said above my figures are not complete but I am unsure if I am out by 12500.

Hi Navi, well done on the tracker...Isn't there so many percent of the 300,000 only getting fttc as they would still be getting 30/6 and above speedwise, and making the 50k figure?
had a look at the new map..can't work out if its better or worse than te old one..only the completed areas are coming up on it re the colour code..

tsue921i8wljb3 · 25-06-2017 8:44pm

pegasus1 wrote: »

Hi Navi, well done on the tracker...Isn't there so many percent of the 300,000 only getting fttc as they would still be getting 30/6 and above speedwise, and making the 50k figure?
had a look at the new map..can't work out if its better or worse than te old one..only the completed areas are coming up on it re the colour code..

Thanks. There is provision for a certain percentage of premises to get FTTC as you say. However it is unclear whether these homes have been connected yet. As far as I know they were never publicly identified so it is hard to say if the 50000 number includes them.

My numbers don't include urban areas in the project and also 11 areas that Openeir have not published numbers for. It is conceivable that they could be close to 50000 taking these into consideration.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 28-06-2017 5:14pm

I've managed to get numbers for the urban areas that are currently live and also for the 11 areas that are live but have no numbers published. In total it comes to about 4000 extra premises. I've updated the tracker. The total now stands at 45097.

ED E · 28-06-2017 5:33pm

Fair play Navi.

damienirel · 29-06-2017 5:27pm

Aye savage job Navi.

kevinbad2010 · 04-07-2017 1:46pm

Hey navi what happened to this map?

https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=1xk6un1ZdpZ8577ZzunX-RmL0cCM&ll=53.10133130506789%2C-7.920611681518494&z=9

tsue921i8wljb3 · 04-07-2017 5:59pm

kevinbad2010 wrote: »

Hey navi what happened to this map?

https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=1xk6un1ZdpZ8577ZzunX-RmL0cCM&ll=53.10133130506789%2C-7.920611681518494&z=9

Sorry the other tracker has been consuming most of my time. I'll try to get the map up to date soon.

Jpmarn · 04-07-2017 7:36pm

Apparently according to OpenEir rollout map Inch St Lawernce exchange area has some live premises north of Ballyneety village.

damienirel · 07-07-2017 9:43pm

Self congratulations again...would be fine if it was true...

https://twitter.com/carolan_lennon/status/882630106719584259

Johnboy1951 · 07-07-2017 11:19pm

..... and SIRO are claiming 85,000, most of which apparently have FTTC or other similar product available to them.

Regardless delays or inflated figures, I think openeir are the more likely to reach those of us 'in the sticks'.

KOR101 · 17-07-2017 9:41pm

https://www.kildarestreet.com/wrans/?id=2017-07-13a.2793&s=national+broadband+plan#g2795.q

KOR101 · 17-07-2017 9:44pm

https://www.kildarestreet.com/wrans/?id=2017-07-13a.2728&s=national+broadband+plan#g2731.r

My Department has concluded that eir has met its target to pass 40,000 premises by the end of Quarter 1 of this year. My Department understands that approximately 3,350 of these premises will be served by an eVDSL connection. Initial indications are that eir has also met its Quarter 2 target. A formal evaluation of eir's Quarter 2 performance will be conducted by my Department shortly.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 17-07-2017 11:21pm

KOR101 wrote: »

https://www.kildarestreet.com/wrans/?id=2017-07-13a.2728&s=national+broadband+plan#g2731.r

My Department has concluded that eir has met its target to pass 40,000 premises by the end of Quarter 1 of this year. My Department understands that approximately 3,350 of these premises will be served by an eVDSL connection. Initial indications are that eir has also met its Quarter 2 target. A formal evaluation of eir's Quarter 2 performance will be conducted by my Department shortly.

Interesting. I wonder how many VDSL connections are included in the Quarter 2 target. I would not have been counting them so it would explain the discrepancy between my numbers and eir's claims.

KOR101 · 18-07-2017 12:40pm

It's also noteworthy that the Minister completely ignored the first question.

To ask the Minister for Communications, Energy and Natural Resources the number of houses that have been connected by a company (details supplied) under its commercial agreement with the Government; and if he will make a statement on the matter.

I think Timothy Dooley should keep asking the same question until answered.

Johnboy1951 · 18-07-2017 2:23pm

KOR101 wrote: »

It's also noteworthy that the Minister completely ignored the first question.

To ask the Minister for Communications, Energy and Natural Resources the number of houses that have been connected by a company (details supplied) under its commercial agreement with the Government; and if he will make a statement on the matter.

I think Timothy Dooley should keep asking the same question until answered.

Why? A direct answer to that would be useless except for their competitors.

What would be good to know is how many connections have been made from the total of those who have requested a connection.

damienirel · 18-07-2017 2:43pm

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Why? A direct answer to that would be useless except for their competitors.

What would be good to know is how many connections have been made from the total of those who have requested a connection.

Not sure what you mean there by "request a connection" - there is nothing to stop people requesting connections that aren't available to them and they how does that get recorded? Surely that would be at Eirs discretion. And as far as I can see Eir's numbers are always grossly exaggerated to make them look good.
Naughten might get his fingers burnt on this rollout, I'm hoping Eir pick up pace but it's really hard to see those deadlines being met. The inclusion of the eVDSL homes is a bit of stunt.

KOR101 · 18-07-2017 5:39pm

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Why? A direct answer to that would be useless except for their competitors.

What would be good to know is how many connections have been made from the total of those who have requested a connection.

What would be interesting to know is not just the number of premises 'passed' but also the number of premises where an order can actually be placed and fulfilled within the agreed 3 weeks. There is no milestone for that bit of data, but there is a reporting requirement on Eir under the contract for it. The reviews were originally going to be published and we could then have seen, but that doesn't seem to be the case any more.

Eir are perfectly entitled to demonstrate their commitment to providing a service on a purely commercial basis by 'passing' fibre along the road. But the key metric for potential customers is being able to place an order.

Johnboy1951 · 18-07-2017 6:57pm

KOR101 wrote: »

What would be interesting to know is not just the number of premises 'passed' but also the number of premises where an order can actually be placed and fulfilled within the agreed 3 weeks. There is no milestone for that bit of data, but there is a reporting requirement on Eir under the contract for it. The reviews were originally going to be published and we could then have seen, but that doesn't seem to be the case any more.

Eir are perfectly entitled to demonstrate their commitment to providing a service on a purely commercial basis by 'passing' fibre along the road. But the key metric for potential customers is being able to place an order.

and what I pointed out is that the silly question you quoted would not get any useful information even if it was answered.
Why would anyone expect a company to make public commercially sensitive data?
But then I expect little else from Mr. Dooley

tsue921i8wljb3 · 15-08-2017 2:29pm

The map was updated this morning. An extra 18120 premises were added since the last update at the end of June. There are also 17 exchanges listed as live that have no number of premises given so expect the total to increase somewhat when the visual map gets changed. As it stands the total is 63217 premises passed.

There were only four areas given an upcoming due date. They are:

New Ross (Wexford) - 23rd August

St Johnston (Donegal) - 6th September
Kilconly (Galway) - 6th September
Summerhill (Meath) -6th September

Foulksmills in Wexford has a date of 2nd August listed so I don't know what has happened there.

The tracker has been updated. I'll try to get the alternative map up to date later.

Johnboy1951 · 15-08-2017 4:15pm

Its not looking good ...... at the present rate they will be well short by end of 2018.
We can only hope that a lot of preparatory work is done to make the roll out speed up as it progresses ..... it doesn't look that way from the 'outside'

Gonzo · 15-08-2017 4:38pm

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Its not looking good ...... at the present rate they will be well short by end of 2018.
We can only hope that a lot of preparatory work is done to make the roll out speed up as it progresses ..... it doesn't look that way from the 'outside'

they seem to be only averaging 5,000-6,000 premises passing per month, and even at that we're not sure if those are inflated, hence the amount of people here complaining about passing and no fibre sitting outside their homes.At the current rate it will take them till mid 2019 unless there really is something were not seeing.

Johnboy1951 · 15-08-2017 4:46pm

Gonzo wrote: »

they seem to be only averaging 5,000-6,000 premises passing per month, and even at that we're not sure if those are inflated, hence the amount of people here complaining about passing and no fibre sitting outside their homes.At the current rate it will take them till mid 2019 unless there really is something were not seeing.

I can well understand people not seeing work in one part of an exchange area. Particularly outside urban areas the exchanges take in areas that do not seem at all reasonable now ..... but probably were at the time they were built. So it would be easy not to notice work at the other side of the exchange limit.
I am not saying that is what is happening .... only in some cases it is a possibility.

At the present rate I really cannot see how they can meet their targets.

Amadan90 · 15-08-2017 5:07pm

The map appears to have been updated again, my house was blue this afternoon and now it's turned yellow. Surely this time it really is 'live'?

turbbo · 18-08-2017 3:14pm

So on the Open Eir rollout map which earlier stated my exchange was forecast to got live by winter 2018.
is now showing - live with 150 premises passed I've contacted Open Eir to explain, but I'm not getting a response.
BTW there has been NO visible activity on lines in the exchange area.
Now this is either a complete mess of a map or they are lying? Anybody see anything equally as stupid in the last map update?

rob808 · 18-08-2017 3:55pm

turbbo wrote: »

So on the Open Eir rollout map which earlier stated my exchange was forecast to got live by winter 2018.
is now showing - live with 150 premises passed I've contacted Open Eir to explain, but I'm not getting a response.
BTW there has been NO visible activity on lines in the exchange area.
Now this is either a complete mess of a map or they are lying? Anybody see anything equally as stupid in the last map update?

I live in Summerhill it got a live date of 6 September but my area not going live until sometime in October going by open Eir.it possible that there is some area live in your area with the rest going live in different months.

turbbo · 18-08-2017 3:56pm

rob808 wrote: »

I live in Summerhill it got a live date of 6 September but my area not going live until sometime in October going by open Eir.it possible that there is some area live in your area with the rest going live in different months.

But a 18 month difference - really? I can get being a month or 2.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 18-08-2017 4:02pm

turbbo wrote: »

So on the Open Eir rollout map which earlier stated my exchange was forecast to got live by winter 2018.
is now showing - live with 150 premises passed I've contacted Open Eir to explain, but I'm not getting a response.
BTW there has been NO visible activity on lines in the exchange area.
Now this is either a complete mess of a map or they are lying? Anybody see anything equally as stupid in the last map update?

It's quite possible that the 150 number is an error. It would not be the first time it has happened. If there is no sign of fibre on the poles, splice boxes or work taking place in your exchange area it is probably safe to assume that it is wrong.

rob808 · 18-08-2017 4:02pm

turbbo wrote: »

But a 18 month difference - really? I can get being a month or 2.

There story of neighbors getting FTTH only for next door neighbor waiting months or weeks before install and come down to so many factors.I have feeling that might happen me I hope not but I see come October.

turbbo · 18-08-2017 4:06pm

Kohen Blue Cannabis wrote: »

It's quite possible that the 150 number is an error. It would not be the first time it has happened. If there is no sign of fibre on the poles, splice boxes or work taking place in your exchange area it is probably safe to assume that it is wrong.

I'd tend to go with that theory alright. But marking an exchange as live when before it was planned for winter 2018 - surely that update is glaringly wrong - I've contacted Open Eir but haven't heard back from them - could this be a BS update for reaching the 300K, surely it's not that easy for them just make up numbers. Also it's weird that 58 were forecast as part of the 300k now all of a sudden it's 150 - with no activity in the area? Something very suspect about it as in it's not an error more like deliberate lie.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 18-08-2017 4:12pm

turbbo wrote: »

I'd tend to go with that theory alright. But marking an exchange as live when before it was planned for winter 2018 - surely that update is glaringly wrong - I've contacted Open Eir but haven't heard back from them - could this be a BS update for reaching the 300K, surely it's not that easy for them just make up numbers. Also it's weird that 58 were forecast as part of the 300k now all of a sudden it's 150 - with no activity in the area? Something very suspect about it as in it's not an error more like deliberate lie.

The map is more for public information. I believe the contract with the Department specifies that Eircodes of passed premises be provided. I'd err more on the side of human error in the updating process.

turbbo · 18-08-2017 4:23pm

Kohen Blue Cannabis wrote: »

The map is more for public information. I believe the contract with the Department specifies that Eircodes of passed premises be provided. I'd err more on the side of human error in the updating process.

hmm I've asked them 3 days ago - no response human error that they're in no rush to fix.

Johnboy1951 · 18-08-2017 5:55pm

turbbo wrote: »

I'd tend to go with that theory alright. But marking an exchange as live when before it was planned for winter 2018 - surely that update is glaringly wrong - I've contacted Open Eir but haven't heard back from them - could this be a BS update for reaching the 300K, surely it's not that easy for them just make up numbers. Also it's weird that 58 were forecast as part of the 300k now all of a sudden it's 150 - with no activity in the area? Something very suspect about it as in it's not an error more like deliberate lie.

Most likely:

Whoever entered the data into the database made an error ...... updating the wrong exchange.

There is likely a corresponding exchange that is still showing outstanding, where people can connect to a live fibre.

turbbo · 18-08-2017 6:02pm

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Most likely:

Whoever entered the data into the database made an error ...... updating the wrong exchange.

There is likely a corresponding exchange that is still showing outstanding, where people can connect to a live fibre.

They've responded and they've given a very vague response that sort of denies an error:
"I'm afraid I'm not in a position to explain the technical design rationale that governs that timeline, or why some areas in close proximity go live before others."
So they are saying premises closer to the exchange are passing - which doesn't make sense either as FTTH isn't exchange distance dependent, if anything they start work on the areas further out from the exchange and work back in, but no such logic applied here - guess I'm dealing with a drone and getting a clear answer would be like digging for gold. That last map update is complete BS for my exchange area anyways.

Johnboy1951 · 18-08-2017 6:11pm

turbbo wrote: »

They've responded and they've given a very vague response that sort of denies an error:
"I'm afraid I'm not in a position to explain the technical design rationale that governs that timeline, or why some areas in close proximity go live before others."
So they are saying premises closer to the exchange are passing - which doesn't make sense either as FTTH isn't exchange distance dependent, if anything they start work on the areas further out from the exchange and work back in, but no such logic applied here - guess I'm dealing with a drone and getting a clear answer would be like digging for gold. That last map update is complete BS for my exchange area anyways.

I do not read that from their response.
All they are saying is that some houses pass and others in close proximity do not for technical reasons they are not able to provide.

We already knew that.

turbbo · 18-08-2017 6:31pm

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

I do not read that from their response.
All they are saying is that some houses pass and others in close proximity do not for technical reasons they are not able to provide.

We already knew that.

Yeah maybe you can interpret it that way - but proximity shouldn't be mentioned either way then?

They don't answer what I asked so it's pointless trying to get them to admit an error or explain where the mystery 150 premises are.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 20-08-2017 5:51pm

The alternative map is now up to date with the recent Openeir data.

turbbo · 21-08-2017 12:24pm

Okay got a reply from Eir after taking a screenshot and marking the areas to make the question I was asking clear enough so that a 5 year old would understand! Lo and behold they understood with the picture and were able to answer - answer is comical though - be prepared:

"The map is correct. Smaller exchanges are occasionally fed from larger exchanges and that is the case with X - some smaller subsidiary exchanges are now live and premises in these exchanges are connected to X exchange. It does not affect the numbers we report on as passed or live and that is why the number on the map is 150."

Openeir rural FTTH tracking

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