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False rape accusation...who would you believe?
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[Deleted User] wrote: »And..... we're back to assigning blame or fault again.
I've already stated that the rapist is at fault, and the victim is not. This isn't about assigning blame, and yet, you come back to it, time and time again...
Fine, I can see how you and bubblypop focus so much on the blame issue... even when I raise the idea of reducing rape in general.
Never mind. No real point discussing it further because everything to turned back towards blaming women for being raped... regardless of what is actually said.
And who should take personal responsibility for reducing rape, if not the people who choose to commit rape? Reducing rape in general means reducing the number of rapes committed by people who choose to commit rape.
It may be trite to say it, but you’re speaking as though rape just happens, as though it isn’t caused by something, by someone. It’s not caused by people not protecting themselves at all times from being raped.[Deleted User] wrote: »Actually, I was referring to the social engineering to stop males from raping women, which is typically the focus these days from feminist and women's rights movements along with a variety of other organisations. The focus is on the male gender in regards to rape occurring.. I wasn't talking about any social engineering or conditioning for females.
I know you were referring to the social engineering to stop males from raping women, and that’s why I asked you about your own social engineering idea where you put the responsibility on women to protect themselves from being raped. Imagine how that conversation might go -
“Hey would you like to go for a drink after work?”
“No thanks, I don’t drink, I don’t even go out, in fact, I should be at home, I need to protect myself from being raped”
That’s what men would be faced with if women were ever to take any heed of this nonsense where they’re told it’s their responsibility to make sure they aren’t putting themselves at risk of being raped, not to mention what it implies about men![Deleted User] wrote: »I am a bit disappointed that you quoted me from the middle of that paragraph, rather than dealing with the whole thing.
I'm Done. It's sad though that we can't have a conversation about what measures could be applied to reduce the risk of rape in general, without going around in circles concentrating on blame, and justifications. Enough.
We are having a conversation about what measures could be applied to reduce the risk of rape in general - target the people who choose to commit rape, don’t seek to apply punitive measures to innocent people who have done nothing wrong and are doing nothing wrong. Don’t assume anyone should be grateful to be told stay at home or you’re gonna be raped, because that’s ultimately where your advice is headed - “ah, you went outside see, that’s why you were raped, weren’t protecting yourself!”0 -
Deleted User wrote: »4 victims.. They managed not to be raped again by their own actions. Didn't need my advice.
And grow up. That's uncalled for considering this is an open discussion.. You really need to get off your self-appointed ivory tower.
Until this moment, I haven't even come close to attacking you personally, but the manner of your posting style has been aggressive (and inaccurate) throughout. I'm finished being patient with you.
It's a modern arguing style. I'd advise any man who meets this tantrum throwing in the wild is to just smile and walk away. If you want to really be a prick, and you are aware of your surroundings, show some disgust while walking away.0 -
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.rcni.ie/wp-content/uploads/Dr.-Antonia-Abbey-Alcohol-Sexual-Assault-presentation.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwii9sSOxqTnAhWpRhUIHfeTBlA4ChAWMAF6BAgHEAE&usg=AOvVaw2nvVHWNsyrEozgrXl5BTx6
Here's a link from a source I think most people will approve of - the rape crises network of Ireland. They say that alcohol is a factor in 30-75% of rapes usually with both parties drinking. So depending on the source, it'll be more than half or less than half of the victims drinking, I suppose I saw a couple that had more than half before.
But I put in this link instead of looking for another because of the source and because of what they say about the effects of alcohol in rapes. Along with victim blaming and victims blaming themselves, they say it also affects the perpetrators selection of the victim, cognitive impairment bias on the victims risk assessment and motor impairment. Now to me that's not remotely saying that the victim is responsible for the rape. But it is certainly saying that alcohol affects your likelihood of being raped. I have no difficulty separating those two things but one eyed jack in particular, you seem to. Just because someone does or doesn't do things to increase their own safety does not mean they're responsible for someone else's decision to rape them.
I suppose to look at it another way - it might be easier to talk about if we take the victim out of it altogether. Say my friend in a bar is extremely drunk and some predator has his eye on her. If I put her in a taxi I'll take away his chance of assaulting her. It doesn't mean she won't be assaulted, maybe the taxi driver or her housemate is a predator too, but it reduces the chance of it. If I don't do that and she gets assaulted I'll be a very bad friend and will feel like it's my fault because I didn't prevent it, but I won't be the one responsible for the assault. The perpetrator will.0 -
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Here's a link from a source I think most people will approve of - the rape crises network of Ireland. They say that alcohol is a factor in 30-75% of rapes usually with both parties drinking. So depending on the source, it'll be more than half or less than half of the victims drinking, I suppose I saw a couple that had more than half before.
But I put in this link instead of looking for another because of the source and because of what they say about the effects of alcohol in rapes. Along with victim blaming and victims blaming themselves, they say it also affects the perpetrators selection of the victim, cognitive impairment bias on the victims risk assessment and motor impairment. Now to me that's not remotely saying that the victim is responsible for the rape. But it is certainly saying that alcohol affects your likelihood of being raped. I have no difficulty separating those two things but one eyed jack in particular, you seem to. Just because someone does or doesn't do things to increase their own safety does not mean they're responsible for someone else's decision to rape them.
I suppose to look at it another way - it might be easier to talk about if we take the victim out of it altogether. Say my friend in a bar is extremely drunk and some predator has his eye on her. If I put her in a taxi I'll take away his chance of assaulting her. It doesn't mean she won't be assaulted, maybe the taxi driver or her housemate is a predator too, but it reduces the chance of it. If I don't do that and she gets assaulted I'll be a very bad friend and will feel like it's my fault because I didn't prevent it, but I won't be the one responsible for the assault. The perpetrator will.
Yeah, they're not talking about violent rape, or if the victim is passed out. They are talking about where the woman has sex with a man that she wouldn't be attracted to under alcohol, or other scenarios where she consents while drunk.
I always wonder why the men are never raped in this scenario but the woman is 'raped'?
Edit: Holy crap, I think it literally cites the one in four study. And mentions 'entitlement'. Tbh, after reading the study, I find it shocking how many 'rapes' are 'rapes' because the woman has had alcohol.
Edit: Here's the study on what the previous study classes as rape. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4487909/ Verbal pressure is classed as rape just fyi.0 -
No they didn't, they were not raped again because nobody has raped them.
They were not responsible for being raped in the first place! Or just what actions do you think they did that made them victims of rape?
You keep returning to this as if I've disagreed with you... I haven't. This is the fifth or sixth time you've said it in response to my posts... so I'm finished replying to you. You simply don't read what's written and object to an echo of your own making.
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One eyed Jack wrote: »And who should take personal responsibility for reducing rape, if not the people who choose to commit rape? Reducing rape in general means reducing the number of rapes committed by people who choose to commit rape.
Because that's been the focus for the last decade or so, and it hasn't significantly decreased the numbers of rape claims. If anything the numbers have increased over time... because solely focusing on the rapist (who are impossible to identify before the actual rape) leads to very little actual improvement. Seeking to promote personal safety in addition to the focus on rapists makes the most logical sense.It may be trite to say it, but you’re speaking as though rape just happens, as though it isn’t caused by something, by someone. It’s not caused by people not protecting themselves at all times from being raped.
It's influenced by many factors... but ultimately it's the rapist that does it. I understand that. However, you're belaboring the same point. As if someone needs to be constantly on their guard against it happening. Simple common sense regarding personal safety should be encouraged, which would likely reduce the chance of rape occurring. Even it only reduces 1% of rapes, then it's an improvement and should be considered.I know you were referring to the social engineering to stop males from raping women, and that’s why I asked you about your own social engineering idea where you put the responsibility on women to protect themselves from being raped.
Or the girl states that she needs to get to know the guy better before going back to his home, rather than picking him up in a bar or on a dating app.... You can pick the silly example, and I can pick reasonably common examples which are risky.
The point is that many women want to engage in the same behavior as men. That complete freedom in choosing how they behave. The problem is that women are generally more vulnerable than men, being less strong physically, and also their tolerance towards getting drunk. Same with a general awareness of danger in their surroundings, since many males grow up having experiencing bullying, or have experience with being jumped by other males. These being examples, rather than something that all males know.. but the difference is still there.
Personal safety is not about giving advice on how not to be raped. It's about highlighting that the risks exist and should be seriously considered before jumping into doing them.That’s what men would be faced with if women were ever to take any heed of this nonsense where they’re told it’s their responsibility to make sure they aren’t putting themselves at risk of being raped, not to mention what it implies about men!
I don't believe so. I find your example to be biased to dismiss the idea that women should take care of the situations that they might place themselves in. It's an example designed to be silly right from the beginning...We are having a conversation about what measures could be applied to reduce the risk of rape in general - target the people who choose to commit rape, don’t seek to apply punitive measures to innocent people who have done nothing wrong and are doing nothing wrong. Don’t assume anyone should be grateful to be told stay at home or you’re gonna be raped, because that’s ultimately where your advice is headed - “ah, you went outside see, that’s why you were raped, weren’t protecting yourself!”
You see.... this is my problem with your attitude. I originally spoke about female safety in regards to both assault and rape, and I actually gave a specific example of what I was referring to. It wasn't even suggested as a guide.. as if to say do XYZ or you will be raped... That's your attitude saying that anything that limits their choices in living is unreasonable. In addition, to coming back to blame, even though it has been addressed many times already. You simply can't tolerate the idea that women can't behave the same way as males, and so it comes down to fault or blaming the woman for being raped.
Whereas I don't see that women can behave as recklessly as males because of the biological and cultural differences between us. That women do have to take extra measures to protect themselves from danger. It doesn't mean that we need to return to Victorian culture to protect women because that's an extreme... but being more careful about where you go and who you go with was very common even 40 years ago..
But in any case, I can see that we're not going to agree with this, and I'm bowing out of this particular discussion. I've gotten tired of the opposing logic.0 -
Women can't win.
Walk home alone at night - reckless.
Get a taxi home - reckless (getting in a car with stranger)
Stay at home - well done woman. You have taken the appropriate precautions.0 -
Women can't win.
Walk home alone at night - reckless.
Get a taxi home - reckless (getting in a car with stranger)
Stay at home - well done woman. You have taken the appropriate precautions.
It's an impossible thing. We're always to blame! Out at night? What were you thinking! Wearing a nice dress, heels and dolled up? What were you thinking! You were drunk? What were you thinking! Wearing a thong? What were you thinking? Is there anything else that we can blame on you? " Cuz if so, then we will.0 -
It's an impossible thing. We're always to blame! Out at night? What were you thinking! Wearing a nice dress, heels and dolled up? What were you thinking! You were drunk? What were you thinking! Wearing a thong? What were you thinking? Is there anything else that we can blame on you? " Cuz if so, then we will.
Ah will you stop with the hysterics....it is infantile.
Both genders need to protect themselves from potential harm for different reasons when it comes to casual encounters.0 -
Except it's not; women have been blamed for their own rapes and assaults since forever, often citing these kind of reasons. The question:" What were you wearing" is something that a lot of victims get asked in court, again to imply that they were at fault..0
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Except it's not; women have been blamed for their own rapes and assaults since forever, often citing these kind of reasons. The question:" What were you wearing" is something that a lot of victims get asked in court, again to imply that they were at fault..
We are not discussing the legal system here though...this is a thread about false rape accusations....and we are talking about personal responsibility...start a rape thread if you wish.
I believe that rape and conviction rates are the only part of the legal system where a women is not treated well...but the vast vast majority of women who end up in court (family or crime) fair much much better than men, so if you have an issue with how women are treated in the legal system then you need to take a much more holistic view....you can't have it every which way!0 -
It's an impossible thing. We're always to blame! Out at night? What were you thinking! Wearing a nice dress, heels and dolled up? What were you thinking! You were drunk? What were you thinking! Wearing a thong? What were you thinking? Is there anything else that we can blame on you? " Cuz if so, then we will.
You see that's the problem in a way. You want the world to be a simple place with everyone having the same set of values and respecting each other. It's a lovely fantasy, but the truth is that there is a wide variety of people out there with often conflicting mindsets.
When it comes to the clothes that a woman wears, quite often the original intention behind those styles was to attract a males attention. Today, women might wear them for their own reasons separate to how a male might subconsciously or consciously react, but it doesn't change that those fashion choices do affect males in various ways.
This is not to say that all men will respond to those fashion choices. Most men are capable of over-riding their instinctive reactions to not be a dick, but many others don't care to rein themselves in. It also depends on the culture and whether the display of particular body parts has significance. I can remember leaving Ireland in the late 90s and being uncomfortable with the amount of skin being shown in many hotter countries. It's not in my nature to push my interest on to other people, so, I avoided many types of harassment or assault that could have arisen.
The point is that the world is not a completely safe place, and as Silentcorner said, we're responsible for our own safety. We should be aware of our surroundings, and whether what we're wearing or the manner of our behavior is attracting the right sort of attention. To be blunt, there are bars/clubs I know where I'd highly recommend the average woman not to wear revealing clothes because of the types of people who go there. There's an expectation of behavior with being in certain places, and willful ignorance generally isn't a good excuse.
Although, again, this isn't about blame. That went out the window with sexism, and discrimination. This is about being aware of the factors that might influence other people around you, and being clued in enough to take care of your own safety. As a white male living abroad, I have to be careful with my behavior and what I say in public, or I can end up in rather nasty incidents. It's the same for just about anyone. Also as a Bisexual male abroad, I've had to moderate my behavior to avoid dangerous situations.. (it was actually worse in Ireland before I left, considering the attitudes of many to gay people in the Midlands) Regardless of gender, personal safety is something that should be encouraged rather than ignored just so that a woman can wear whatever she wants, behave however she wants, in the more risky environments.
It'll take time for many males to change enough to stop expecting a message based on a woman's appearance. It's not simply the case of saying it, and then expecting it to happen immediately. Social perception with regards to sexy or revealing clothes in public has changed dramatically in the 40 odd years I've been alive, but it still needs more time before it's accepted completely (without the stereotypical assumptions being made).0 -
Posters keep talking about women "being aware of their surroundings" as if they aren't already and then switching to some eXtreme of not wearing revealing clothes in no go areas.
Except there aren't really any no go areas where you are more likely to be raped in Ireland. The talk of wearing revealing clothing at night in gang areas is nonsense. Nobody is doing that and I haven't heard of any rapes that could be linked to that. Has anyone?
So I ask these posters. What are you actually recommending in concrete terms? A public information campaign? And if so what EXACTLY is the advice to be contained within?
- don't go to gang areas (???) In revealing clothing?
- don't walk home alone at night?
- don't take a taxi with an unknown driver?
- don't get walked home by a trusted male?
- be aware of.your surroundings?
Unless you are willing to specify the exact advice you are recommending then you can just vacillate wildly between obvious unhelpful nonsense like "be aware of your surroundings" and unrealistic scenario nonsense "don't wear a thong in a gang area", and continue to switch between them when anyone pciks you up on the nonsense.0 -
Posters keep talking about women "being aware of their surroundings" as if they aren't already and then switching to some eXtreme of not wearing revealing clothes in no go areas.
Except there aren't really any no go areas where you are more likely to be raped in Ireland. The talk of wearing revealing clothing at night in gang areas is nonsense. Nobody is doing that and I haven't heard of any rapes that could be linked to that. Has anyone?
So I ask these posters. What are you actually recommending in concrete terms? A public information campaign? And if so what EXACTLY is the advice to be contained within?
- don't go to gang areas (???) In revealing clothing?
- don't walk home alone at night?
- don't take a taxi with an unknown driver?
- don't get walked home by a trusted male?
- be aware of.your surroundings?
Unless you are willing to specify the exact advice you are recommending then you can just vacillate wildly between obvious unhelpful nonsense like "be aware of your surroundings" and unrealistic scenario nonsense "don't wear a thong in a gang area", and continue to switch between them when anyone pciks you up on the nonsense.
One thing I'd like to see:
If a woman says she doesn't get drunk because she's worried about it increasing her chances of being targeted for an assault I'd like her choice to be respected instead of people telling her she's blaming rape victims for being responsible for getting themselves raped. It's her choice and we should respect her for it.
Or the exact same story if she doesn't want to share a bed with a male friend.
I think we need to respect their choices and not shame them into feeling like their blaming rape victims for what happened to them because of these choices.0 -
Posters keep talking about women "being aware of their surroundings" as if they aren't already and then switching to some eXtreme of not wearing revealing clothes in no go areas.
Except there aren't really any no go areas where you are more likely to be raped in Ireland. The talk of wearing revealing clothing at night in gang areas is nonsense. Nobody is doing that and I haven't heard of any rapes that could be linked to that. Has anyone?
So I ask these posters. What are you actually recommending in concrete terms? A public information campaign? And if so what EXACTLY is the advice to be contained within?
- don't go to gang areas (???) In revealing clothing?
- don't walk home alone at night?
- don't take a taxi with an unknown driver?
- don't get walked home by a trusted male?
- be aware of.your surroundings?
Unless you are willing to specify the exact advice you are recommending then you can just vacillate wildly between obvious unhelpful nonsense like "be aware of your surroundings" and unrealistic scenario nonsense "don't wear a thong in a gang area", and continue to switch between them when anyone pciks you up on the nonsense.
The reality is a man is in more danger on Irish streets than a woman is...
There are no hard and fast rules for either gender, it is a personal responsibility so you get to choose what actions you wish to take...we don't want the government getting involved now do we.
And anybody who has seen how our young women dress and behave can be thankful that they are exerting their right to do whatever and wear whatever they want....more power to them!0 -
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Silentcorner wrote: »We are not discussing the legal system here though...this is a thread about false rape accusations....and we are talking about personal responsibility...start a rape thread if you wish.
How can anyone be held personally responsible for anyone else’s actions, attitudes or behaviour?Silentcorner wrote: »I believe that rape and conviction rates are the only part of the legal system where a women is not treated well...but the vast vast majority of women who end up in court (family or crime) fair much much better than men, so if you have an issue with how women are treated in the legal system then you need to take a much more holistic view....you can't have it every which way!
Thankfully, that’s utter nonsense.
Even if we were specifically referring to women (which I’m not) who make complaints to the authorities of rape, that is complainants who feel they have been the victim of rape, taking responsibility for making a complaint to the authorities. Victims of rape, regardless of their sex, are put through the mill from the moment they make a complaint.
Criminal courts have nothing to do with the family courts, and attempting to suggest a victim of rape isn’t entitled to justice, because of a completely separate issue that is beyond their control, while lecturing anyone about ’personal responsibility’?
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One eyed Jack wrote: »How can anyone be held personally responsible for anyone else’s actions, attitudes or behaviour?
Thankfully, that’s utter nonsense.
Even if we were specifically referring to women (which I’m not) who make complaints to the authorities of rape, that is complainants who feel they have been the victim of rape, taking responsibility for making a complaint to the authorities. Victims of rape, regardless of their sex, are put through the mill from the moment they make a complaint.
Criminal courts have nothing to do with the family courts, and attempting to suggest a victim of rape isn’t entitled to justice, because of a completely separate issue that is beyond their control, while lecturing anyone about ’personal responsibility’?
Horsecrap.
Personal responsibility is an individuals issue, it is that simple...it is up to an individual how much risk they expose themselves to, it is an individuals responsibility, male or female, to educate themselves on risk and act accordingly....I am not referring to criminal matters where of course, a victim is not responsible for the actions of an alleged perpetrator.
I believe rape victims are treated appallingly in the legal system, I also believe men get treated, in much different but often just as damaging manner, appallingly in the legal system!0 -
Except it's not; women have been blamed for their own rapes and assaults since forever, often citing these kind of reasons. The question:" What were you wearing" is something that a lot of victims get asked in court, again to imply that they were at fault..
I don't see a problem with that as the defense is tryign to build up a case that the sex was consensual.
I can tell you how women can 'win' and it won't cost you anything. Ignore the lower tier losers who are trying to use your fear against you. The chances of getting violently raped are miniscule and a lot of the statistics are entirely fudged by changing the notion of consent.0 -
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Hmmmm, so 'assualted' or were they raped? I find it bizarre how that is always fudged during articles tbh
And it was all proven in a court of law? Iregardless, this thread isn't about rape it's about false accusations.0 -
Sorry to drag this up again, but the Cyprus rape accuser released another statement.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/brit-teen-cyprus-gang-rape-21406561
I am sorry, but this is absurd. I mean she is actually contradicting herself in multiple accounts, and against actualy witnesses and events. Her friends never rescued her for god sake :P
It's not hte fact that she's lying, it's the fact that she is finding a shocking amoutn of supporting with femenists and even the Guardian.
Edit: Also, they've raised 154,000 pounds for her. How much do you think a brit accused of rape would get?0 -
I didn't see anything contradicting in that article?
Maybe somewhere else there was0 -
I didn't see anything contradicting in that article?
Maybe somewhere else there was
I guess the biggest example is she said twelve men raped her and noe is she saying she doesn't know. Yes, PTSD and thrauma does have an effect, but there is an extent IMO. I mean most of the people she accused had alibis. There are many other contradictions of course, bit you kind of have to search for the info as even the wikipedia article is lacking. A
Tbh, Bubblypop, you have to admit that this really isn't the best case for rape accusers. I'm curious about your opinion as she has been found guilty in a court of law?0 -
creditcarder wrote: »
Tbh, Bubblypop, you have to admit that this really isn't the best case for rape accusers. I'm curious about your opinion as she has been found guilty in a court of law?
tbh, I honestly don't know enough of the details to comment too much yet, but I do know she wasn't treated correctly by the police & I would have doubts about her 'confession' to making a false statement.
now, maybe the Police made a cock up of the investigation from the very beginning.
i will have to read some more i think.
obviously, anyone making a false report of rape should be dealt with by the law, it doesn't help actual victims.0 -
tbh, I honestly don't know enough of the details to comment too much yet, but I do know she wasn't treated correctly by the police & I would have doubts about her 'confession' to making a false statement.
now, maybe the Police made a cock up of the investigation from the very beginning.
i will have to read some more i think.
obviously, anyone making a false report of rape should be dealt with by the law, it doesn't help actual victims.
She was treated probably nicer than how male criminals are treated in Ireland tbh. The confession seems okay and at one point she even told her mother, through text, that 'she had it under control'.
There is no reason to doubt this guilty verdict.0 -
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creditcarder wrote: »She was treated probably nicer than how male criminals are treated in Ireland tbh.
i can assure you male criminals or prisoners are treated very well in Ireland. Very well, better than Cyprus I have no doubt!
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i can assure you male criminals or prisoners are treated very well in Ireland. Very well, better than Cyprus I have no doubt!
Yea, i will read up some more
Male prisoners can be kind of kept awake for 24 hours and if they sleep their interrogation can be pushed forward a day or something odd. Oh, I'm not getting snappy, but the police were actually kind in comparison to like a drug dealer or trouble maker.0 -
creditcarder wrote: »Male prisoners can be kind of kept awake for 24 hours and if they sleep their interrogation can be pushed forward a day or something odd.
I don't understand this?
Do you think this happens in Ireland or are you talking about some other country?0 -
I don't understand this?
Do you think this happens in Ireland or are you talking about some other country?
A while ago there were reports that suspects were being kept awake for 24 hours and it is law that if you sleep between the hours of 12-8 your 'stay' can be extended for 8 hours.
Tbh, this doesn't really matter but I wasn't really bothered by her treatment as it will mild how must suspects of a crime are treated. And she sent her mother a text saying that she was fine and she had it under control.
Edit: Another sidenote is that everybody is reporting her as having PTSD, the defense said this was why she took back the statement, but PTSD needs two years of symptoms before being diagnosed.0 -
I'm glad I'm not the only person who sees how dangerous this person is. Spends her time male bashing and accusing lads of cheating on Twitter. Something not right imo.That was organised by Linda Hayden who is running for the Social Democrats next election
Ms Hayden wanted Paddy Whiskey to end their sponsorship of London Irish as well
According to Ms Hayden Ireland still has a rape culture
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crim...tion-1.4033034
Supposedly she was drugged and raped almost 20 years ago even though she never reported it to gardaí then, or since, saying she refused to give her attackers “power over me”.
Supposedly men will get the benefit of the doubt, if they “come from good stock”.0 -
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forzacalcio wrote: »I'm glad I'm not the only person who sees how dangerous this person is. Spends her time male bashing and accusing lads of cheating on Twitter. Something not right imo.
To be honest, I find the only people harping on about a rape culture, tend to be the ones who benefit from such a thing existing. Feminists/SJW (and to a lesser degree politicians or the media).
A rape culture doesn't benefit males in the slightest, since in spite of what SJWs would like to pretend, the majority of males have no interest/desire in engaging in rape, and simply makes the normal dating experience more difficult. It also doesn't seem to help women either, since it generates an atmosphere of fear that doesn't lessen the numbers of actual rapes in general. (At least, I haven't seen any stats to show over a period of a decade or such, that rape statistics have dropped during the same period that such a culture was promoted to exist - US campus being the most likely candidates for such research..)
The only people I can see benefiting are the people who use it as a platform to gain support, which in turn, means that they gain sponsorship, or buyers for their books/associated products.0 -
creditcarder wrote: »Male prisoners can be kind of kept awake for 24 hours and if they sleep their interrogation can be pushed forward a day or something odd. Oh, I'm not getting snappy, but the police were actually kind in comparison to like a drug dealer or trouble maker.
Male prisoners are not often interrogated. Do you mean people who haven't gone to trial, are not in prison and interviewed in police custody?0 -
joeguevara wrote: »Male prisoners are not often interrogated. Do you mean people who haven't gone to trial, are not in prison and interviewed in police custody?
Yes, thats what he means, you can be detained and imprisoned based off someone's false accusation & if there is reason enough for the gards to believe you have committed the crime.
If you make bail which you should do if you have no previous convictions, there is a process there to be followed also, doesnt mean you will be automatically released.
If you don't make bail, you can still go to the high court, where you have a better chance of making bail.
In addition to this, if anyone has made a false/ridiculous false rape accusation about you in the past, this will most likely be logged on their pulse system. It could well influence their decision to go ahead with a case or not & you will have never known about it.
Basic morale of the story is, if you are a male, anyway promiscuous and have any jilted/scorned former lovers, watch out.0 -
jimwallace197 wrote: »Yes, thats what he means, you can be detained and imprisoned based off someone's false accusation & if there is reason enough for the gards to believe you have committed the crime.
If you make bail which you should do if you have no previous convictions, there is a process there to be followed also, doesnt mean you will be automatically released.
If you don't make bail, you can still go to the high court, where you have a better chance of making bail.
In addition to this, if anyone has made a false/ridiculous false rape accusation about you in the past, this will most likely be logged on their pulse system. It could well influence their decision to go ahead with a case or not & you will have never known about it.
Basic morale of the story is, if you are a male, anyway promiscuous and have any jilted/scorned former lovers, watch out.
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jimwallace197 wrote: »Basic morale of the story is, if you are a male, anyway promiscuous and have any jilted/scorned former lovers, watch out.
TBH, I never really get this whole jilted or nasty ex-gf/lover thing that people go on about. I'm 42, single, never married, a few serious relationships in my past, and I'm very active on the dating scene internationally.
I'm still friends with all of my ex's. Not best friends but we're friendly when we encounter each other. I've never had a bad experience with someone I've dated. I have met/dated the odd weirdo, or nutter, but they tend to disappear after the first/second date. [or I disappear politely]
When I hear these kinds of comments, I wonder how it is that other men are behaving in dating/relationships, or the type of partners/dates they "chase"... It seems to me that most men should be more selective in who they date, and more importantly, who they have sex with.
It's perhaps not a bad thing if more men start being more careful who they decide to spend their time with, and seek to understand their partners before jumping in.0 -
Deleted User wrote: »TBH, I never really get this whole jilted or nasty ex-gf/lover thing that people go on about. I'm 42, single, never married, a few serious relationships in my past, and I'm very active on the dating scene internationally.
I'm still friends with all of my ex's. Not best friends but we're friendly when we encounter each other. I've never had a bad experience with someone I've dated. I have met/dated the odd weirdo, or nutter, but they tend to disappear after the first/second date. [or I disappear politely]
When I hear these kinds of comments, I wonder how it is that other men are behaving in dating/relationships, or the type of partners/dates they "chase"... It seems to me that most men should be more selective in who they date, and more importantly, who they have sex with.
It's perhaps not a bad thing if more men start being more careful who they decide to spend their time with, and seek to understand their partners before jumping in.
i'm more nervous of the scorned woman than the disrespected woman0 -
creditcarder wrote: »i'm more nervous of the scorned woman than the disrespected woman
Fair enough. I would be too... except... all I can do is be respectful towards women, and not put myself in a possibly compromising position without a measure of trust between us.
A scorned woman never reaches my home, or a hotel room with me. A scorned woman only meets me in a public place. It's not perfect, but nothing is anymore.0 -
From last year:
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/local-news/coatbridge-man-driven-brink-suicide-20378894Scots teen sent HERSELF scores of depraved messages in vendetta that drove man to brink of suicide
Teenager Shannon Maley concocted the vicious smear campaign in a bid to send distraught Kevin Stewart to prison.
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/local-news/teen-airdrie-girl-who-left-20665912'Monster' teen jailed after sending herself depraved messages from fake profiles leaving innocent man suicidal
Shannon Maley used fake profiles to send herself threatening messages in a smear campaign against Kevin Stewart who has learning difficulties.0 -
The problem is the men and women who blindly support her. Teenage girls falsley accuse each other of stuff all the time, and in the past that girl would have goten a stern talking to by an older woman who would have set her on abetter path.
Yet, now, I imagine they'll blame the man somehow.0 -
‘If someone is vulnerable, vultures are waiting’ - Head of sexual assault treatment unit
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/if-someone-is-vulnerable-vultures-are-waiting-head-of-sexual-assault-treatment-unit-984586.html
One way to look at this is that some situations are riskier than others and people may be able to reduce the risks.Margo Noonan, head of the SATU based at the South Infirmary in Cork, also said there was a growing trend of Leaving Certificate students presenting to the unit having been raped or sexually assaulted at overseas “hotspots” popular with people celebrating the end of exams.
She said that, in those cases, the perpetrators appeared to be locals rather than peers, adding: “It’s like everywhere in life — if someone is vulnerable, the vultures are waiting to pick.”0 -
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Should you get consent on video before sex? That's a 'red flag' for some
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/02/19/ohio-state-football-players-rape-case-should-sex-consent-recorded/4793879002/
So before conviction, these 2 young men have been named in the media, and have been dropped from their football team (which might have been/was probably an important possible career path for them).Two Ohio State University football players, Amir Riep, 21, and Jahsen Wint, 21, were arrested last week after being accused of kidnapping and raping a 19-year-old woman. The next day, head coach Ryan Day announced he dismissed the two from the team.0 -
So before conviction, these 2 young men have been named in the media, and have been dropped from their football team (which might have been/was probably an important possible career path for them).
So... what is considered consent now then? merely that the woman doesn't claim rape? That there's no way to ensure a male's security in engaging in sex...?0 -
All of this is happening because the Feminist movement has convinced the Government of a College Campus Rape Crisis across The States....in yet another example of how twisted this movement has become and it's dangerous consequences for men.
People need to start paying way more attention, these headbangers will attempt the same here in time.0 -
Silentcorner wrote: »All of this is happening because the Feminist movement has convinced the Government of a College Campus Rape Crisis across The States....in yet another example of how twisted this movement has become and it's dangerous consequences for men.
People need to start paying way more attention, these headbangers will attempt the same here in time.
Started a thread in CA/IMHO about it.
I dunno. It feels so messy. It's all so vague, and open to be abused. There's no definite guide or rules. Nothing to say.. you did xyz, and you're safe.. or even safe ish. It's a push to make you completely and utterly trust your sexual partner... and lets be honest, even after years together, there are depths to partners that aren't discovered...
I dunno. It just seems really dangerous to me. Like an attempt to stop people having sex. It's giving a very dangerous weapon to people, and just assuming that they won't press the big red button.0 -
I wonder was the woman white? It sounds silly, but there has been historically a bit of an issue in regards to false accusations imo.
Again, I have said this before, but the problem is not women. It's men who are afraid and are listening to this bull****. Why are those women being given tax payers money (and I imagine they are if they are a domestic violence group).
Man, I'm happy to live abroad.0 -
creditcarder wrote: »I wonder was the woman white? It sounds silly, but there has been historically a bit of an issue in regards to false accusations imo.
Again, I have said this before, but the problem is not women. It's men who are afraid and are listening to this bull****. Why are those women being given tax payers money (and I imagine they are if they are a domestic violence group).
Man, I'm happy to live abroad.
Depends where you live though.. since this insanity is spreading.
As for who the problem is... it's the experts. The people who make their living by expanding their area of expertise so that they'll be able be judge/jury in the future. Guarantees them an audience for their books, podcasts, and youtube vids, or even without those, it guarantees them an extensive peer group to rub shoulders with. I'm always a little amazed at the way "they" decide who is ethically authorized/appropriate to become an expert on consent, rape, etc... Or that they put forward their system, but there's such gaping holes in the logic.0 -
Deleted User wrote: »Depends where you live though.. since this insanity is spreading.
As for who the problem is... it's the experts. The people who make their living by expanding their area of expertise so that they'll be able be judge/jury in the future. Guarantees them an audience for their books, podcasts, and youtube vids, or even without those, it guarantees them an extensive peer group to rub shoulders with. I'm always a little amazed at the way "they" decide who is ethically authorized/appropriate to become an expert on consent, rape, etc... Or that they put forward their system, but there's such gaping holes in the logic.
Less gaping holes and more about mass psychological abuse tbh.0 -
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/jurors-told-not-to-make-moral-judgements-on-accused-or-victim-blame-in-rape-trial-988959.htmlHe describing as nonsense various “rape myths”, including an idea that woman regularly make up rape allegations for no reasons.
I'm not convinced judges should be making definitive statements like this in their charge to juries.0 -
(US)DeVos Announces Update of Title IX, Cementing Due Process Rights for Students Accused of Sexual Misconduct
National Review
Zachary Evans,National Review
•May 6, 2020
https://news.yahoo.com/devos-announces-title-ix-cementing-212227203.html
I'm no expert on US politics, but get the impression this might not have happened if a Democrat was president. Many I think would have run away from the idea of getting involved in support of the accused.0 -
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https://news.yahoo.com/devos-announces-title-ix-cementing-212227203.html
I'm no expert on US politics, but get the impression this might not have happened if a Democrat was president. Many I think would have run away from the idea of getting involved in support of the accused.
This happened because a Democrat was president, Biden has vowed to reverse due process for young men....
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/06/biden-vows-a-quick-end-to-devos-sexual-misconduct-rule-241715
Whatever you think of Trump, the Democrats are a joke...trying to keep the angry feminists on board by continuing to deny young men in college due process (something that is costing the colleges in class action suits) and simultaneously ignoring the serious accusations that Biden himself is facing....there is a good chance that Biden is so medicated he has no recollection that he is actually running in a presidential race!!0
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