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UFC 251 - Usman vs Masvidal Sat July 11th

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  • Posts: 13,688 ✭✭✭✭ Jayden Melodic Rumor


    Aldo by KO/TKO
    I'm lost.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,762 ✭✭✭bmcc10


    Serious lack of charisma with nearly all champions atm not many are likeable at all.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 10,462 Mod ✭✭✭✭Axwell


    Yan by Sub
    Go to bed!

    A suggestion you and a few others on here would be wise to do at this point...time to end handbags and back and forth nonsense folks.


  • Registered Users Posts: 219 ✭✭Queasy Tadpole


    Aldo by Sub
    I love how salty everyone is, Masvidal had absolutely nothing for him.

    Thank feck for that!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,649 ✭✭✭Whelo79


    Yan by Sub
    Disappointed in Usman's performance. If that's all he can put up against a lad off 6 days notice. Got stuffed on 75% of his takedowns, done little damage on the takedowns he got, and his best strikes were 2 headbutts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,532 ✭✭✭EagererBeaver


    Aldo by KO/TKO
    Good card over all. Two of the three title fights were really good.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,256 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Usman. No charisma, horrible to watch.

    Speaks volumes that both lads were fighting tonight but Jorge was the one selected to be on the cover of the video game.

    Usman would struggle to sell hot cakes. Not even Marty's mother would say "Usman" if asked the question "Who's the fighter you like to watch most?"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,601 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Aldo by KO/TKO
    Go to bed!

    Lad, I’m parked up in the pub. And just enjoyed a great card. Happy days.
    Make a point in future.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,649 ✭✭✭Whelo79


    Yan by Sub
    The main event is over the best part of five minutes, was incredibly boring and was never in doubt.

    It's nothing to do with you, so if you've no interest, feel free to stay the **** out of it

    When you are filling a thread full of tripe about a fight that happened hours previously anyone has a right to pull you all on it. You usually talk nothing but guff so I shouldn't be surprised.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 219 ✭✭Queasy Tadpole


    Aldo by Sub
    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Usman. No charisma, horrible to watch.

    Speaks volumes that both lads were fighting tonight but Jorge was the one selected to be on the cover of the video game.

    Usman would struggle to sell hot cakes. Not even Marty's mother would say "Usman" if asked the question "Who's the fighter you like to watch most?"
    I hate this attitude. The sport is who is the best fighter, that's it. It's a sport, not WWF.


    Usman is a beast and Masvidal couldn't stop him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,256 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    EagerBeaver v Whelo79 a much better barney than Usman v Masvidal!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,532 ✭✭✭EagererBeaver


    Aldo by KO/TKO
    MrStuffins wrote: »
    EagerBeaver v Whelo79 a much better barney than Usman v Masvidal!

    He's lost that fight on several previous occasions.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,649 ✭✭✭Whelo79


    Yan by Sub
    I hate this attitude. The sport is who is the best fighter, that's it. It's a sport, not WWF.


    Usman is a beast and Masvidal couldn't stop him.

    That seriously wasn't a beast performance. It was tame and safe. I would guess that 60%+ of his strikes were foot stomps and shoulder bumps. He failed on the majority of his takedowns and done little to nothing when he did complete a takedown.

    I think Usman is a speciman bit that was not a performance to boast about.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,256 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    I hate this attitude. The sport is who is the best fighter, that's it. It's a sport, not WWF.


    Usman is a beast and Masvidal couldn't stop him.

    I never said he shouldn't be champion or he isn't the best WW in the world. He absolutely is.

    But it's also true that he's as exciting to watch as the 1997 finals of the World Paint Drying Championships.

    It's not illegal to enjoy exciting fights you know?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,095 ✭✭✭hawaii501


    Masvidal by KO/TKO
    hawaii501 wrote: »
    Would love nothing more than Street Jesus breaking Usman face with a knee! Usman is a great fighter but just I can't warm to him for some reason but think he wins on pts. He is probably top 3 p4p for me.

    I think volk wins against Holloway on pts. Think this will be fight of the night.

    Yan v Aldo, I think Yan takes this in the 2nd round.

    Should be a great night of fights.

    Predicted the 3 outcomes, only wrong round in Yan fight :)

    Why did I add in oezdimir in my bet, didn't even other watching the fight!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,649 ✭✭✭Whelo79


    Yan by Sub
    I hate this attitude. The sport is who is the best fighter, that's it. It's a sport, not WWF.


    Usman is a beast and Masvidal couldn't stop him.

    That seriously wasn't a beast performance. It was tame and safe. I would guess that 60%+ of his strikes were foot stomps and shoulder bumps. He failed on the majority of his takedowns and done little to nothing when he did complete a takedown.

    I think Usman is a speciman bit that was not a performance to boast about.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,649 ✭✭✭Whelo79


    Yan by Sub
    He's lost that fight on several previous occasions.

    Ha, I've never argued with you before because I wouldn't waste my time on a bag of air.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 128 ✭✭oyvey


    When you're asking for rules that don't exist to be applied? Yes, absolutely. It's not a matter of opinion.

    No. Just seems like those knockdowns should hold more weight. You can object to a rule or to how it's applied.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,325 ✭✭✭iLikeWaffles


    Masvidal must have taken 120 toe stomps, that could have been enough to win the fight alone. Slight anticlimax but what do expect from a fighter who stepped in with 6 days notice.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 128 ✭✭oyvey


    How much does that damage Masvidals stock? Does normal order resume for him now?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,693 ✭✭✭2u2me


    oyvey wrote: »
    How much does that damage Masvidals stock? Does normal order resume for him now?

    His stock went up in my eyes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,604 ✭✭✭dave1982


    Masvidal by Sub
    Usman reminds me of GSP completely shuts downs oppenants makes it his fight. Extremely boring but effective. Don't see anyone take belt off him maybe a high level bjj of his back other than that he's keeping it


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,348 ✭✭✭sonofenoch


    Usman is a worse watch than Khabib.....leans on his opponent for 5 mins a round against the fence ..............even leans on his trainer during the breaks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,901 ✭✭✭✭Zero-Cool


    Yan by KO/TKO
    Goddamn EA cover course!!

    Beaming for Rose but that was some battle, she's tough as nails.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,012 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Volkanovski by Sub
    Usman is so good at what he does but so so boring to watch. Jorge shown up as the journeyman he is.

    Also Aldos post USADA record. Lol


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,280 ✭✭✭✭mdwexford


    Ribas and Namajunas both looked really good.
    Title fight for Rose v Zhang should be next and will be great.
    Amanda should get a top 5 opponent next.

    Aldo looked much better than I expected the first couple of rounds but Yan just had too much. Him vs Aljo next should also be epic.

    Max definitely won the first two rounds. Alex won the last two. The middle round is the debate but I scored it for Max and thought he won. He looked much better during the fight and Alex got out of jail big time. He has to go to 155 now surely.

    The main event was a damp squib. Jorge looked good in round one but he emptied the gas tank there. Had nothing to offer after that. Taking the fight on six days doesn’t look like such a good idea in hindsight. So disappointed with it.
    Usman was poor after a great last fight vs Colby. He did zero damage and the wet blanket style on the cage and ground is not too easy on the eye. He played it safe and kept his belt though so it’s up to someone to come up with a strategy to beat him.


  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Aldo's done. Had no business getting a title shot coming off 4 losses in 6 and looking pretty poor.
    Thought Holloway was a pretty clear 48-47 but always dangerous letting judges have a say. The first as a whole he was clearly better, round-by-round just about. Where does he go from here?
    Main event was as expected.


  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    mdwexford wrote: »
    Max definitely won the first two rounds. Alex won the last two. The middle round is the debate but I scored it for Max and thought he won. He looked much better during the fight and Alex got out of jail big time. He has to go to 155 now surely.

    Who does?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,280 ✭✭✭✭mdwexford


    Who does?

    Max.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,372 ✭✭✭✭Utopia Parkway


    That last minute plus of unnecessary damage that Aldo had to take on the canvas was hard to watch. Ref was out to lunch.

    I had Max by 3 rounds to 2. Think he was a but unlucky there.

    I thought the main event would be dull and it was. Especially with Masvidal having no gas tank due to having no training camp. He was tired by the end of the first so did well to reach the end even though Usman never really tried to finish the fight. Usman is very good but painfully boring. He just clinches up against the fence and throws body shots or foot stomps. Throws in the odd takedown and then just stays on top on the ground and throws rabbit punches from the top. Very effective but very dull. He's such a good wrestler though that he'll be very hard to beat.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,256 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Just rewatched Max v Alex

    1) Max, clearly

    2) Max

    3) Closer than I remember. I had Max originally but it's very close! 10-10 in an ideal world but it's a real toss up.

    4) Alex, but again but closer than I remember. I thought Alex took it clearly last night but it was closer than I remember.

    5) Alex.

    Either way, very close fight. Not a robbery in any way!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,476 ✭✭✭✭martyos121


    And even if round 3 was a 10-10, which it probably should’ve been, the result is essentially the same as Volk retains with a draw. Robbery talk is utter nonsense alright.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,477 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    Yan by Sub
    Seems to be a lot of people posting who've never seen a pre-Covington Usman fight before. That's what the guy does. Grinds it out. It's not pretty but it's effective. 4/9 on him winning that fight, especially given the circumstances of the short notice call up for Masvidal, was great value.

    Aldo did better than I expected but I think it's time for him to give up now. He's taken some dreadful beatings in the last few years and all the weight cuts can't be good for his long term health either. Hopefully that division will involve some meritocratic title fights now although I'm sure the UFC will still manage to get another of their undeserving, favourites a title shot soon.

    Tough beat for Holloway. I reckon he won it but after losing twice in a row he won't be fighting for the title any time soon. His one foray into lightweight wasn't great either. I guess he'll just have to start fighting some of the other up and comers at FW.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,477 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    Yan by Sub
    Just remembered there: Did anyone catch Jon Anik in the post-fight interview telling Volkanovski to "Go and enjoy those little girls"? He could probably have phrased that a little better!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,245 ✭✭✭Esse85


    Sorry DP


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,245 ✭✭✭Esse85


    That last minute plus of unnecessary damage that Aldo had to take on the canvas was hard to watch. Ref was out to lunch.

    I had Max by 3 rounds to 2. Think he was a but unlucky there.

    I thought the main event would be dull and it was. Especially with Masvidal having no gas tank due to having no training camp. He was tired by the end of the first so did well to reach the end even though Usman never really tried to finish the fight. Usman is very good but painfully boring. He just clinches up against the fence and throws body shots or foot stomps. Throws in the odd takedown and then just stays on top on the ground and throws rabbit punches from the top. Very effective but very dull. He's such a good wrestler though that he'll be very hard to beat.

    Totally agree with all this.

    Ref did a bad job at the end of the Aldo fight, Chael sonnen made a good point about it saying when a fighter curls up like that and can't see where the blows are coming from and is not looking to get back to his feet, it's basically a sign to the referee to come and end the fight as a fighters ego will prevent them from tapping out.

    https://youtu.be/euojZFS4J7I

    I think looking back, Aldo should of went up to 155 rather than dropping down. It's too late now and with such a competitive 135 division, I'm not sure where he goes from here.

    I was suprised Jorge was so disappointed with his performance in the post fight interview, I think he did incredibly well given the fact he'd 6 days notice and travelled to another continent while shedding 22 lbs to make weight. He had a major mountain to climb, but done better than many before him with full training camps.

    The Max and Alex fight was very even and could of went either way, I do feel when a championship fight is that close, the champion gets the decision the vast majority of time. I don't think Alex gets the credit he deserves and secondly I'm not sure what Max does from here, stay in the division or consider 155 again and give that another go.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,477 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,435 ✭✭✭Still Ill


    Yeah, I thought Max just shaded it too. But, I guess you gotta win convincingly to get the belt as the challenger. I really don't know where he goes from here. I don't think he'd fare well at 155 with his fighting style with his reach. He's more of a volume fighter than a power puncher and he'd find it difficult to land against the bigger guys.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,935 ✭✭✭Tazzimus


    We seen what happened when he went to 155, he lost.
    145 is probably his best bet but does cut a nice bit to make it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,284 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Masvidal is as tough as nails, you hit him and he barely registers it but as expected Usman was too big and powerful for him. Really easy for Usman that fight was. Have to wonder who will take that belt off him, he's a monster.

    I get sex sells but surely that's it for Van Zandt, she has no business in the UFC. She do well in the WWE with no risk of damaging her pretty face.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,256 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Still Ill wrote: »
    I guess you gotta win convincingly to get the belt as the challenger.

    I never understand why people say this.

    It's not as if the fight is being judged as one big fight. It's just round by round. The judges submit their score at the end of every round.

    I honestly doubt any of them think "Well, that was a close round.......you gotta win convincingly as the challenger. Therefore the Champion wins that one"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,284 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    I never understand why people say this.

    It's not as if the fight is being judged as one big fight. It's just round by round. The judges submit their score at the end of every round.

    I honestly doubt any of them think "Well, that was a close round.......you gotta win convincingly as the challenger. Therefore the Champion wins that one"

    It's definitely applicable to boxing but not MMA.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,934 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Anybody calling Volkanovski's win as robbery hasn't a clue. It was really close and I personally thought Holloway might get it but wasn't at all sure.
    The important stat that nobody seems to be mentioning is significant strikes and Volkanovski had 96 of them over the final three rounds to 62 for Holloway. Split into rounds it went 25-15 in round 3, 34-24 in round 4 and 37-23 in round 5.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,604 ✭✭✭dave1982


    Masvidal by Sub
    Volkanovski must be raging 2 wins and both being questioned


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,284 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    dave1982 wrote: »
    Volkanovski must be raging 2 wins and both being questioned

    What idiots are questioning the first fight? Result was in zero doubt


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  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Also as much as Rogan gets on my nerves commentating, Bisping is worse.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,601 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Aldo by KO/TKO
    The stats from Volkanovski v Holloway are interesting.


    Volkanovski landed more often, and with higher accuracy across the board.

    bBz6Ym8.png


    Those are total including strikes to the legs.
    If you look at head strikes only, Max landed most in the 1st, 2nd was equal and Volkanovski 3rd, 4th, 5th.

    In real time I left Max was landing much more than he was.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,539 ✭✭✭John_D80


    Judges scorecard showed that it was the 5th round and not the 3rd that split them.

    All three judges gave 1 & 2 to Holloway, 3 & 4 to Volkanovski.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,532 ✭✭✭EagererBeaver


    Aldo by KO/TKO
    Also as much as Rogan gets on my nerves commentating, Bisping is worse.

    I thought Bisping was great on Saturday, a few moments aside.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,353 ✭✭✭Porthallian


    Yan by Sub
    Also as much as Rogan gets on my nerves commentating, Bisping is worse.

    I tend to agree. After I realized how often he says "Look at this!" when he gets excited.
    Reminds me of Michael Cole on the old WWE shows.


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