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Buyer wants to pay via PayPal

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  • 03-03-2021 10:59pm
    #1
    skinny90
    Registered Users Posts: 2,466 ✭✭✭


    Hi all
    Selling something via Facebook marketplace
    Buyer wants to buy using PayPal
    I’d rather not due to the scams I’ve read up about.
    There is nothing wrong with the product but this is the 3rd person and I don’t want to keep refusing either.
    Is there anything I need to do check or do before I agree to it
    Anything you’d recommend ?


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    L1011
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    What way were you intending to charge them?

    Basically, the advice for taking money on paypal is the reverse of buying - when selling you want a friends and family payment that is close to irreversible. When buying, never ever ever send a friends and family payment for the same reason. Obviously if everyone does both of these insistences nothing will ever get sold!

    Don't believe any emails that say you've received payment; log in to Paypal direct (not from the email) and check - as people will generate fake emails with fake links.


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    RossieMan
    Registered Users Posts: 6,766 ✭✭✭RossieMan


    Go friends and family only.

    If posting it, make sure to go recorded delivery or they may claim to PayPal they've not received it and then you'll need proof that they've signed for it.

    No real issues, how much are we talking about? 1-500 I'd be happy to deal with PayPal, anything more an I'd be weary.


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    skinny90
    Registered Users Posts: 2,466 ✭✭✭skinny90


    L1011 wrote: »
    What way were you intending to charge them?

    Basically, the advice for taking money on paypal is the reverse of buying - when selling you want a friends and family payment that is close to irreversible. When buying, never ever ever send a friends and family payment for the same reason. Obviously if everyone does both of these insistences nothing will ever get sold!

    Don't believe any emails that say you've received payment; log in to Paypal direct (not from the email) and check - as people will generate fake emails with fake links.

    Ideally banktransfer or revolut. I woudnt mind PayPal had it been eBay or adverts due to the fact I can check reviews etc
    I’m just abit wary about selling on fbe Facebook marketplace and accepting PayPal


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    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users Posts: 10,437 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    RossieMan wrote: »
    Go friends and family only.

    If posting it, make sure to go recorded delivery or they may claim to PayPal they've not received it and then you'll need proof that they've signed for it.

    No real issues, how much are we talking about? 1-500 I'd be happy to deal with PayPal, anything more an I'd be weary.

    Nobody in their right mind will buy with a Friends & Family requirement. All advice is for buyers never to use that, due to scams and no comeback.


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    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users Posts: 10,437 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    skinny90 wrote: »
    Ideally banktransfer or revolut. I woudnt mind PayPal had it been eBay or adverts due to the fact I can check reviews etc
    I’m just abit wary about selling on fbe Facebook marketplace and accepting PayPal

    As seller, you're much safer than the buyer using Paypal. Just confirm the funds are in before dispatching.


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    the_pen_turner
    Registered Users Posts: 7,505 ✭✭✭the_pen_turner


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    As seller, you're much safer than the buyer using Paypal. Just confirm the funds are in before dispatching.

    how are you safer. the buyer can say what they like and say they didnt get it or broken etc. and claim back the money


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    Tails142
    Registered Users Posts: 2,103 ✭✭✭Tails142


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    As seller, you're much safer than the buyer using Paypal. Just confirm the funds are in before dispatching.

    The seller can get royally screwed with PayPal, buyers have 90 days to file a claim and there are plenty out there who will try anything and not think twice.


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    Lemming
    Registered Users Posts: 14,148 ✭✭✭✭Lemming


    Tails142 wrote: »
    The seller can get royally screwed with PayPal, buyers have 90 days to file a claim and there are plenty out there who will try anything and not think twice.

    And a buyer using friends & family has zero protection. At all. Neither paypal or bank will lift a finger for you and the police will most likely be able to do very little either; they will inform you that even if they catch the person that does not mean you will get your money back.

    Some random person I don't know insisting on "Friends & family" for services or goods is pretty much on-par with someone insisting on Western Union ...


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    Del2005
    Registered Users Posts: 18,872 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    the_pen_turner wrote: »
    how are you safer. the buyer can say what they like and say they didnt get it or broken etc. and claim back the money

    Remove the money from the account before they can make a claim to get it back. You'll loose your Paypal account but keep the money.


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    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users Posts: 10,437 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    the_pen_turner wrote: »
    how are you safer. the buyer can say what they like and say they didnt get it or broken etc. and claim back the money

    Which they can do with most methods of payment. It's a wonder commerce exists online with such worries for sellers.


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    [Deleted User]
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    I've done a chargeback as "goods not received" on a friends and family payment I (foolishly) made via Paypal and got my money back.

    I genuinely did not get the goods and the seller was ignoring all attempts to contact them. I never did receive them.

    (eta - I do not recommend paying by friends and family!)


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    skinny90
    Registered Users Posts: 2,466 ✭✭✭skinny90


    This has been the kind of messages I’ve been receiving. No questions on phone just straight to purchase and insist on my PayPal details


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    AlwaysAmber
    Registered Users Posts: 85 ✭✭AlwaysAmber


    skinny90 wrote: »
    This has been the kind of messages I’ve been receiving. No questions on phone just straight to purchase and insist on my PayPal details

    From the images, that looks like a total scam to me.


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    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users Posts: 10,437 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    skinny90 wrote: »
    This has been the kind of messages I’ve been receiving. No questions on phone just straight to purchase and insist on my PayPal details

    He'll process the payment to you when you give him your email address.


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    skinny90
    Registered Users Posts: 2,466 ✭✭✭skinny90


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    He'll process the payment to you when you give him your email address.

    He has no interest in the product, straight up just wants to buy via PayPal and doesn’t want to play ball on the details. I’ve reported him hopefully his other messages are the same


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    SureYWouldntYa
    Registered Users Posts: 7,724 ✭✭✭SureYWouldntYa


    AlwaysAmber wrote: »
    From the images, that looks like a total scam to me.

    Why?

    The messages look fine to me, as OP said it would be better if there was another way to verify the guy like feedback on Adverts

    I'm not seeing any red flags from those messages anyway, I've had and made offers on Adverts where things go down similarly

    OP if you want to be careful about accepting Paypal payments from a stranger then fair enough but there's nothing in 2 images you've uploaded that is strange imo


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    skinny90
    Registered Users Posts: 2,466 ✭✭✭skinny90


    SureYWouldntYa wrote: »
    Why?

    The messages look fine to me, as OP said it would be better if there was another way to verify the guy like feedback on Adverts

    I'm not seeing any red flags from those messages anyway, I've had and made offers on Adverts where things go down similarly

    OP if you want to be careful about accepting Paypal payments from a stranger then fair enough but there's nothing in 2 images you've uploaded that is strange imo

    I asked him for his address twice and he blanked it. I asked him for his PayPal details and he refused


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    11521323
    Registered Users Posts: 304 ✭✭11521323


    skinny90 wrote: »
    I asked him for his address twice and he blanked it. I asked him for his PayPal details and he refused

    It's an email address? Why are you afraid to give out your email address? For fear of being paid??

    Just withdraw the cash after they send it and you'll be fine, it's not that big a deal and you're definitely overthinking this.


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    SureYWouldntYa
    Registered Users Posts: 7,724 ✭✭✭SureYWouldntYa


    skinny90 wrote: »
    I asked him for his address twice and he blanked it. I asked him for his PayPal details and he refused

    He could easily turn it on you and say why does this guy want my address before I can even pay him

    I think you're looking at this based on your opinion that scammers use Paypal, and of course there's nothing wrong with trying to be as careful and taking all measures to protect yourself if that's how you want to operate I'm just saying you can look at a situation however you want

    His address would be supplied through Paypal if he chooses the paying for goods option


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    Masala
    Registered Users Posts: 3,462 ✭✭✭Masala


    Why not 'test' him by asking him to Revolut the money to you.

    Or even a Bank TT..... but u will have to give him YOUR bank details for that and TO ME that is worse!!


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    SCOOP 64
    Registered Users Posts: 5,207 ✭✭✭SCOOP 64


    Never had a problem with Paypal buying or selling, when buying always op for the buying goods not friends and family, if seller excuse for wanting you to use friends and family is because of the fees, offer to pay the fees just add it to total ,a least you will have some protection.


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    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users Posts: 10,437 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    skinny90 wrote: »
    I asked him for his address twice and he blanked it. I asked him for his PayPal details and he refused

    You're way overthinking this and getting the process about face. He needs o get your email to pay you, only then do you need his address. He's taking a risk too: he's sending payment to a guy who wants his address and seems strangely reluctant to use the straightforward PayPal process. I see nothing untoward in the conversation you posted except you're not giving him what he needs to pay for the item.


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    skinny90
    Registered Users Posts: 2,466 ✭✭✭skinny90


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    You're way overthinking this and getting the process about face. He needs o get your email to pay you, only then do you need his address. He's taking a risk too: he's sending payment to a guy who wants his address and seems strangely reluctant to use the straightforward PayPal process. I see nothing untoward in the conversation you posted except you're not giving him what he needs to pay for the item.

    Jim do you not it’s strange not to ask any question whatsoever about a 2nd hand item. Bare in mind this is a 6 year old phone I have for sale!?
    I’ve included in the advert that the battery health is 70% I’ve priced it at a point open to negotiation and here’s this guy straight to point about postage and PayPal without any questions about the product.

    Furthermore it’s the same conversation I’ve had with 3/4 other people. No questions about the product or price, simply how much to post, will you accept PayPal

    It’s too good to be true


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    11521323
    Registered Users Posts: 304 ✭✭11521323


    skinny90 wrote: »
    Jim do you not it’s strange not to ask any question whatsoever about a 2nd hand item. Bare in mind this is a 6 year old phone I have for sale!?
    I’ve included in the advert that the battery health is 70% I’ve priced it at a point open to negotiation and here’s this guy straight to point about postage and PayPal without any questions about the product.

    Furthermore it’s the same conversation I’ve had with 3/4 other people. No questions about the product or price, simply how much to post, will you accept PayPal

    It’s too good to be true

    What are you afraid of? When you get paid, withdraw the money? It's not a house they're buying it's, I presume, a relatively cheap phone.

    If I was buying it, I'd conduct myself the same way. What questions are you expecting? My god.


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    grogi
    Registered Users Posts: 8,615 ✭✭✭grogi


    SCOOP 64 wrote: »
    Never had a problem with Paypal buying or selling, when buying always op for the buying goods not friends and family, if seller excuse for wanting you to use friends and family is because of the fees, offer to pay the fees just add it to total ,a least you will have some protection.

    Plus PP will cover return shipping if you need to send goods back.

    When selling, I always give the buyer the option: go friend and family or goods, but if the latter they cover fees and pay for more expensive registered shipping. I haven't met a single person who goes for the more expensive option. I never screwed them, but it amazes me how much a prospect of saving 3 euro changes behaviour


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    SureYWouldntYa
    Registered Users Posts: 7,724 ✭✭✭SureYWouldntYa


    skinny90 wrote: »
    Jim do you not it’s strange not to ask any question whatsoever about a 2nd hand item. Bare in mind this is a 6 year old phone I have for sale!?
    I’ve included in the advert that the battery health is 70% I’ve priced it at a point open to negotiation and here’s this guy straight to point about postage and PayPal without any questions about the product.

    Furthermore it’s the same conversation I’ve had with 3/4 other people. No questions about the product or price, simply how much to post, will you accept PayPal

    It’s too good to be true

    If its a 6 year old phone how many questions can you ask that you havent already put into the description yourself, its not going to be worth the time to most people to go investigating everything for a phone that im assuming is worth €100 or so

    What questions do you want him to ask that would make him a believable buyer?


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    grogi
    Registered Users Posts: 8,615 ✭✭✭grogi


    From the messages here, you're making one mistake: asking for shipping address. PayPal transaction will contain shipping address, don't ever ship anywhere else.

    You can ask for email to send PayPal invoice.


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    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users Posts: 10,437 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    skinny90 wrote: »
    Jim do you not it’s strange not to ask any question whatsoever about a 2nd hand item. Bare in mind this is a 6 year old phone I have for sale!?
    I’ve included in the advert that the battery health is 70% I’ve priced it at a point open to negotiation and here’s this guy straight to point about postage and PayPal without any questions about the product.

    Furthermore it’s the same conversation I’ve had with 3/4 other people. No questions about the product or price, simply how much to post, will you accept PayPal

    It’s too good to be true

    Can you not see that you are the one out of line. You had the same conversation with 3/4 others? Maybe because that's normal.


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    timple23
    Registered Users Posts: 1,001 ✭✭✭timple23


    There are a good few scams with paypal. Just a few points on this.

    Buyer does not need to provide address as it is provided on paypal. once they have paid by paypal, unless they use friends and family method. However it is unusual to ignore the sellers question about address.

    Have you mentioned on ad whether it is locked to any network. If I was buying, thats one of the first questions I would ask.

    You could say that you've been offered 210 by someone else and then say its theirs for 220, see what happens then.

    Another option would be to ask where they are from, if buyer says they are from Rathgar, seller could say I have a brother living in Rathmines and I can post to them and they can meet in person and give them cash.

    Paypal is very risky selling, say op sells the phone, buyer can open claim and return a box containing just a paper weight. I would be looking for buyer to pay by revolut. But if you haven't mentioned revolut, ask buyer for their phone number and you can check via their phone number if they have revolut or not.


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    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,153 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    timple23 wrote: »
    There are a good few scams with paypal. Just a few points on this.

    Buyer does not need to provide address as it is provided on paypal. once they have paid by paypal, unless they use friends and family method. However it is unusual to ignore the sellers question about address.

    Have you mentioned on ad whether it is locked to any network. If I was buying, thats one of the first questions I would ask.

    You could say that you've been offered 210 by someone else and then say its theirs for 220, see what happens then.

    Another option would be to ask where they are from, if buyer says they are from Rathgar, seller could say I have a brother living in Rathmines and I can post to them and they can meet in person and give them cash.

    Paypal is very risky selling, say op sells the phone, buyer can open claim and return a box containing just a paper weight. I would be looking for buyer to pay by revolut. But if you haven't mentioned revolut, ask buyer for their phone number and you can check via their phone number if they have revolut or not.

    this is a good point. you have quoted them for postage when you have no idea where they are.


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