Buyer wants to pay via PayPal

skinny90

Hi all
Selling something via Facebook marketplace
Buyer wants to buy using PayPal
I’d rather not due to the scams I’ve read up about.
There is nothing wrong with the product but this is the 3rd person and I don’t want to keep refusing either.
Is there anything I need to do check or do before I agree to it
Anything you’d recommend ?

L1011

What way were you intending to charge them?

Basically, the advice for taking money on paypal is the reverse of buying - when selling you want a friends and family payment that is close to irreversible. When buying, never ever ever send a friends and family payment for the same reason. Obviously if everyone does both of these insistences nothing will ever get sold!

Don't believe any emails that say you've received payment; log in to Paypal direct (not from the email) and check - as people will generate fake emails with fake links.

RossieMan

Go friends and family only.

If posting it, make sure to go recorded delivery or they may claim to PayPal they've not received it and then you'll need proof that they've signed for it.

No real issues, how much are we talking about? 1-500 I'd be happy to deal with PayPal, anything more an I'd be weary.

skinny90

L1011 wrote: »

What way were you intending to charge them?

Basically, the advice for taking money on paypal is the reverse of buying - when selling you want a friends and family payment that is close to irreversible. When buying, never ever ever send a friends and family payment for the same reason. Obviously if everyone does both of these insistences nothing will ever get sold!

Don't believe any emails that say you've received payment; log in to Paypal direct (not from the email) and check - as people will generate fake emails with fake links.

Ideally banktransfer or revolut. I woudnt mind PayPal had it been eBay or adverts due to the fact I can check reviews etc
I’m just abit wary about selling on fbe Facebook marketplace and accepting PayPal

Jim_Hodge

RossieMan wrote: »

Go friends and family only.

If posting it, make sure to go recorded delivery or they may claim to PayPal they've not received it and then you'll need proof that they've signed for it.

No real issues, how much are we talking about? 1-500 I'd be happy to deal with PayPal, anything more an I'd be weary.

Nobody in their right mind will buy with a Friends & Family requirement. All advice is for buyers never to use that, due to scams and no comeback.

Jim_Hodge

skinny90 wrote: »

Ideally banktransfer or revolut. I woudnt mind PayPal had it been eBay or adverts due to the fact I can check reviews etc
I’m just abit wary about selling on fbe Facebook marketplace and accepting PayPal

As seller, you're much safer than the buyer using Paypal. Just confirm the funds are in before dispatching.

the_pen_turner

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

As seller, you're much safer than the buyer using Paypal. Just confirm the funds are in before dispatching.

how are you safer. the buyer can say what they like and say they didnt get it or broken etc. and claim back the money

Tails142

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

As seller, you're much safer than the buyer using Paypal. Just confirm the funds are in before dispatching.

The seller can get royally screwed with PayPal, buyers have 90 days to file a claim and there are plenty out there who will try anything and not think twice.

Lemming

Tails142 wrote: »

The seller can get royally screwed with PayPal, buyers have 90 days to file a claim and there are plenty out there who will try anything and not think twice.

And a buyer using friends & family has zero protection. At all. Neither paypal or bank will lift a finger for you and the police will most likely be able to do very little either; they will inform you that even if they catch the person that does not mean you will get your money back.

Some random person I don't know insisting on "Friends & family" for services or goods is pretty much on-par with someone insisting on Western Union ...

Del2005

the_pen_turner wrote: »

how are you safer. the buyer can say what they like and say they didnt get it or broken etc. and claim back the money

Remove the money from the account before they can make a claim to get it back. You'll loose your Paypal account but keep the money.

Jim_Hodge

the_pen_turner wrote: »

how are you safer. the buyer can say what they like and say they didnt get it or broken etc. and claim back the money

Which they can do with most methods of payment. It's a wonder commerce exists online with such worries for sellers.

I've done a chargeback as "goods not received" on a friends and family payment I (foolishly) made via Paypal and got my money back.

I genuinely did not get the goods and the seller was ignoring all attempts to contact them. I never did receive them.

(eta - I do not recommend paying by friends and family!)

skinny90

This has been the kind of messages I’ve been receiving. No questions on phone just straight to purchase and insist on my PayPal details

AlwaysAmber

skinny90 wrote: »

This has been the kind of messages I’ve been receiving. No questions on phone just straight to purchase and insist on my PayPal details

From the images, that looks like a total scam to me.

Jim_Hodge

skinny90 wrote: »

This has been the kind of messages I’ve been receiving. No questions on phone just straight to purchase and insist on my PayPal details

He'll process the payment to you when you give him your email address.

skinny90

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

He'll process the payment to you when you give him your email address.

He has no interest in the product, straight up just wants to buy via PayPal and doesn’t want to play ball on the details. I’ve reported him hopefully his other messages are the same

SureYWouldntYa

AlwaysAmber wrote: »

From the images, that looks like a total scam to me.

Why?

The messages look fine to me, as OP said it would be better if there was another way to verify the guy like feedback on Adverts

I'm not seeing any red flags from those messages anyway, I've had and made offers on Adverts where things go down similarly

OP if you want to be careful about accepting Paypal payments from a stranger then fair enough but there's nothing in 2 images you've uploaded that is strange imo

skinny90

SureYWouldntYa wrote: »

Why?

The messages look fine to me, as OP said it would be better if there was another way to verify the guy like feedback on Adverts

I'm not seeing any red flags from those messages anyway, I've had and made offers on Adverts where things go down similarly

OP if you want to be careful about accepting Paypal payments from a stranger then fair enough but there's nothing in 2 images you've uploaded that is strange imo

I asked him for his address twice and he blanked it. I asked him for his PayPal details and he refused

11521323

skinny90 wrote: »

I asked him for his address twice and he blanked it. I asked him for his PayPal details and he refused

It's an email address? Why are you afraid to give out your email address? For fear of being paid??

Just withdraw the cash after they send it and you'll be fine, it's not that big a deal and you're definitely overthinking this.

SureYWouldntYa

skinny90 wrote: »

I asked him for his address twice and he blanked it. I asked him for his PayPal details and he refused

He could easily turn it on you and say why does this guy want my address before I can even pay him

I think you're looking at this based on your opinion that scammers use Paypal, and of course there's nothing wrong with trying to be as careful and taking all measures to protect yourself if that's how you want to operate I'm just saying you can look at a situation however you want

His address would be supplied through Paypal if he chooses the paying for goods option

Masala

Why not 'test' him by asking him to Revolut the money to you.

Or even a Bank TT..... but u will have to give him YOUR bank details for that and TO ME that is worse!!

SCOOP 64

Never had a problem with Paypal buying or selling, when buying always op for the buying goods not friends and family, if seller excuse for wanting you to use friends and family is because of the fees, offer to pay the fees just add it to total ,a least you will have some protection.

Jim_Hodge

skinny90 wrote: »

I asked him for his address twice and he blanked it. I asked him for his PayPal details and he refused

You're way overthinking this and getting the process about face. He needs o get your email to pay you, only then do you need his address. He's taking a risk too: he's sending payment to a guy who wants his address and seems strangely reluctant to use the straightforward PayPal process. I see nothing untoward in the conversation you posted except you're not giving him what he needs to pay for the item.

skinny90

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

You're way overthinking this and getting the process about face. He needs o get your email to pay you, only then do you need his address. He's taking a risk too: he's sending payment to a guy who wants his address and seems strangely reluctant to use the straightforward PayPal process. I see nothing untoward in the conversation you posted except you're not giving him what he needs to pay for the item.

Jim do you not it’s strange not to ask any question whatsoever about a 2nd hand item. Bare in mind this is a 6 year old phone I have for sale!?
I’ve included in the advert that the battery health is 70% I’ve priced it at a point open to negotiation and here’s this guy straight to point about postage and PayPal without any questions about the product.

Furthermore it’s the same conversation I’ve had with 3/4 other people. No questions about the product or price, simply how much to post, will you accept PayPal

It’s too good to be true

11521323

skinny90 wrote: »

Jim do you not it’s strange not to ask any question whatsoever about a 2nd hand item. Bare in mind this is a 6 year old phone I have for sale!?
I’ve included in the advert that the battery health is 70% I’ve priced it at a point open to negotiation and here’s this guy straight to point about postage and PayPal without any questions about the product.

Furthermore it’s the same conversation I’ve had with 3/4 other people. No questions about the product or price, simply how much to post, will you accept PayPal

It’s too good to be true

What are you afraid of? When you get paid, withdraw the money? It's not a house they're buying it's, I presume, a relatively cheap phone.

If I was buying it, I'd conduct myself the same way. What questions are you expecting? My god.

grogi

SCOOP 64 wrote: »

Never had a problem with Paypal buying or selling, when buying always op for the buying goods not friends and family, if seller excuse for wanting you to use friends and family is because of the fees, offer to pay the fees just add it to total ,a least you will have some protection.

Plus PP will cover return shipping if you need to send goods back.

When selling, I always give the buyer the option: go friend and family or goods, but if the latter they cover fees and pay for more expensive registered shipping. I haven't met a single person who goes for the more expensive option. I never screwed them, but it amazes me how much a prospect of saving 3 euro changes behaviour

SureYWouldntYa

skinny90 wrote: »

Jim do you not it’s strange not to ask any question whatsoever about a 2nd hand item. Bare in mind this is a 6 year old phone I have for sale!?
I’ve included in the advert that the battery health is 70% I’ve priced it at a point open to negotiation and here’s this guy straight to point about postage and PayPal without any questions about the product.

Furthermore it’s the same conversation I’ve had with 3/4 other people. No questions about the product or price, simply how much to post, will you accept PayPal

It’s too good to be true

If its a 6 year old phone how many questions can you ask that you havent already put into the description yourself, its not going to be worth the time to most people to go investigating everything for a phone that im assuming is worth €100 or so

What questions do you want him to ask that would make him a believable buyer?

grogi

From the messages here, you're making one mistake: asking for shipping address. PayPal transaction will contain shipping address, don't ever ship anywhere else.

You can ask for email to send PayPal invoice.

Jim_Hodge

skinny90 wrote: »

Jim do you not it’s strange not to ask any question whatsoever about a 2nd hand item. Bare in mind this is a 6 year old phone I have for sale!?
I’ve included in the advert that the battery health is 70% I’ve priced it at a point open to negotiation and here’s this guy straight to point about postage and PayPal without any questions about the product.

Furthermore it’s the same conversation I’ve had with 3/4 other people. No questions about the product or price, simply how much to post, will you accept PayPal

It’s too good to be true

Can you not see that you are the one out of line. You had the same conversation with 3/4 others? Maybe because that's normal.

timple23

There are a good few scams with paypal. Just a few points on this.

Buyer does not need to provide address as it is provided on paypal. once they have paid by paypal, unless they use friends and family method. However it is unusual to ignore the sellers question about address.

Have you mentioned on ad whether it is locked to any network. If I was buying, thats one of the first questions I would ask.

You could say that you've been offered 210 by someone else and then say its theirs for 220, see what happens then.

Another option would be to ask where they are from, if buyer says they are from Rathgar, seller could say I have a brother living in Rathmines and I can post to them and they can meet in person and give them cash.

Paypal is very risky selling, say op sells the phone, buyer can open claim and return a box containing just a paper weight. I would be looking for buyer to pay by revolut. But if you haven't mentioned revolut, ask buyer for their phone number and you can check via their phone number if they have revolut or not.

ohnonotgmail

timple23 wrote: »

There are a good few scams with paypal. Just a few points on this.

Buyer does not need to provide address as it is provided on paypal. once they have paid by paypal, unless they use friends and family method. However it is unusual to ignore the sellers question about address.

Have you mentioned on ad whether it is locked to any network. If I was buying, thats one of the first questions I would ask.

You could say that you've been offered 210 by someone else and then say its theirs for 220, see what happens then.

Another option would be to ask where they are from, if buyer says they are from Rathgar, seller could say I have a brother living in Rathmines and I can post to them and they can meet in person and give them cash.

Paypal is very risky selling, say op sells the phone, buyer can open claim and return a box containing just a paper weight. I would be looking for buyer to pay by revolut. But if you haven't mentioned revolut, ask buyer for their phone number and you can check via their phone number if they have revolut or not.

this is a good point. you have quoted them for postage when you have no idea where they are.

timple23

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

this is a good point. you have quoted them for postage when you have no idea where they are.

Not the point I am trying to make. Post will cost the same within 32 counties.

A genuine buyer would have no problem meeting someone in person to purchase.

A scammer/fraudster relies on the fact that the item is being posted. (Unless they have counterfeit cash)

skinny90

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Can you not see that you are the one out of line. You had the same conversation with 3/4 others? Maybe because that's normal.

Hi Jim heres the thing, on all regular avenues, dondeal, adverts, ebay etc its not normal. I have mail boxes full of comments and questions on items I sell/what would be the best price etc.
Facebook marketplace I am getting the same generic queries. no questions on best price or product just price for postage please and insisting on paypal.

im not new to paypal I use it quite regularly and if you read my OP you would see that this behavior is specific to facebook marketplace

ohnonotgmail

timple23 wrote: »

Not the point I am trying to make. Post will cost the same within 32 counties.

A genuine buyer would have no problem meeting someone in person to purchase.

A scammer/fraudster relies on the fact that the item is being posted. (Unless they have counterfeit cash)

with a 5km restriction still in place?

timple23

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

with a 5km restriction still in place?

In OP’s situation. They ask where buyer is from, if buyer says they’re from Rathgar, OP can say that they have a brother that lives in Rathmines, which is within 5km. OP can say that they will post phone to brother who can meet buyer in person for cash. A genuine buyer would more than likely agree to this. A fraudster would not.

11521323

timple23 wrote: »

In OP’s situation. They ask where buyer is from, if buyer says they’re from Rathgar, OP can say that they have a brother that lives in Rathmines, which is within 5km. OP can say that they will post phone to brother who can meet buyer in person for cash. A genuine buyer would more than likely agree to this. A fraudster would not.

That's an awful lot of hassle for a €100 phone, if I was interested and I was told that this was the way the transaction would happen I'd say ceeya.

It's a €100 item, it's not a lot of money.

ohnonotgmail

timple23 wrote: »

In OP’s situation. They ask where buyer is from, if buyer says they’re from Rathgar, OP can say that they have a brother that lives in Rathmines, which is within 5km. OP can say that they will post phone to brother who can meet buyer in person for cash. A genuine buyer would more than likely agree to this. A fraudster would not.

you want the buyer to meet a third party in person who is not the owner of the phone? smells scammy to me and not something i would ever agree to.

skinny90

11521323 wrote: »

That's an awful lot of hassle for a €100 phone, if I was interested and I was told that this was the way the transaction would happen I'd say ceeya.

It's a €100 item, it's not a lot of money.

It’s actually 200 but that’s beside the point. This behaviour is only specific to Facebook market place.

grogi

timple23 wrote: »

In OP’s situation. They ask where buyer is from, if buyer says they’re from Rathgar, OP can say that they have a brother that lives in Rathmines, which is within 5km. OP can say that they will post phone to brother who can meet buyer in person for cash. A genuine buyer would more than likely agree to this. A fraudster would not.

Or simply say 'I am going to visit the brother and could meet'. If the buyer says OK, even better - fantastic. If the buyer starts to say that they will be on holidays in Costa Panama next week, move on.

harryharry25

I thought I'd bump this as I cannot seem to start a thread.

Set up a Paypal account in Dec 22 and used it once to pay a lad in England money for Football Tickets

I recently had 3 tickets to Ireland V Greece game and couldn't go. Sold them to a lad for €60 for the 3

He sent the money from wife's account no problem and I sent him tickets over on ticketmaster.

A few days later I went in and my account was restricted. Called them up and took about 7 days and the account was reinstated

When i go in now, the payment received for the tickets is coming up On Hold until 1st Oct.

Does anyone know what's going on? How can they be allowed just to keep your money and stop you accessing it

mondeoman72

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122648639#Comment_122648639

I suspect he scammed you. The small print includes something like money has to be sent from the buyer/seller. You mention it was from "wifes account" Caught you. I have seen this several times in something I am involved with.

Sadly, paypal is not as good as people think it is.

skinny90

this thread aged well. Iv repeatedly refused folks willing to pay via Paypal. Genuine buyers will be flexible with payment types.

Sorry to hear you were scammed

harryharry25

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122649388#Comment_122649388

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122649460#Comment_122649460

But the money is in my account and on hold until 1 Oct

Paypal have never asked what the money was for. They just wanted my passport and proof address to match the card that's on my account and this is why account was lifted

The lad who bought my tickets, is a well known DJ and member of YBIG, he also attends Ireland away games regularly where id often have a drink with him. I doubt he was scamming me

mondeoman72

In that case, they may be flagging you as a know your customer.

harryharry25

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122649564#Comment_122649564

I rang them and it was on hold as the person who sent the money put the payment down as goods/services and they wanted proof of what I supplied.

Why they never emailed to ask for this, was a question they couldn't answer

Sent them a email with the proof while on the call, and they have said money be available to withdraw within 24 hours so fingers crossed

mondeoman72

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122650862#Comment_122650862

That is a good thing then. It is either a security check in case its a scam, or maybe they are tightening up on fee evasion.

JVince

standard security check. Sometimes its totally random and also get flagged if there's not much activity on your account and then a sudden transaction. Most are automated so a quick chat / call as has happened usually gets it sorted.