Asylum Seekers Getting Apartments in Ballinamore - mod warning in OP (18/10)

Varik · 21-10-2019 4:47pm

Boggles wrote: »

You are sure because you had a cursory look?

You'd have a basket of individuals shouting "house our own first" up in arms if you started shoving refugees into pressure zones en masse.

Or maybe until the government can manage to "house our own first" they stop volunteering for every boat load the EU offers up.

Eric Cartman wrote: »

a bunch of locals protest a legitimate issue and without even looking into what their concerns are you've called them racists..... well done...

Don't think the people there will care what other think if they manage to succeed, and either get the number down to something manageable or cancelled.

21-10-2019 4:50pm

splinter65 wrote: »

That’s not a reason at all not to put all DP in Dublin. You just don’t want them in your area.

That’s what you said about the people in Ballinamore.

I have no problem with a dp centre near me. None at all.

21-10-2019 4:53pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

a bunch of locals protest a legitimate issue and without even looking into what their concerns are you've called them racists..... well done...

I've heard their reasons?
In fact I know people who were at the meeting so I've heard it all

Ulysses Gaze · 21-10-2019 4:57pm

bubblypop wrote: »

I have no problem with a dp centre near me. None at all.

Forget DP centres. That system does not work.

AS and refugees should be living in Apartments or houses in these areas.

It will allow them integrate into the locality and give them some hope and sense of normalcy.

Boggles · 21-10-2019 4:58pm

Varik wrote: »

Or maybe until the government can manage to "house our own first" they stop volunteering for every boat load the EU offers up.

They don't, they have barely taken in half they signed up to.

Those 20 apartments have been idle, what did you say 10+ years?

Eric Cartman · 21-10-2019 5:00pm

bubblypop wrote: »

I've heard their reasons?
In fact I know people who were at the meeting so I've heard it all

and you still think it makes them look bad.... why....

Working class heroes · 21-10-2019 5:06pm

splinter65 wrote: »

Why do you think that you can decide what a good reason is and what is not?
Your arrogance is breathtaking!
How dare you accuse people you don’t know and know nothing about of being bigoted because they have perfectly legitimate concerns?
Accepted levels of immigration are 2% tops. This is 15%.
You can’t decide that you just don’t accept these figures unless you can produce evidence to counter it.
Produce your evidence.

Can I ask where you got your “1%/2%” figure from please?

21-10-2019 5:08pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

and you still think it makes them look bad.... why....

They don't want them because they are asylum seekers. That's the reason.
I'm sure if any other 130 people were moving into the town they would be delighted.

Eric Cartman · 21-10-2019 5:12pm

bubblypop wrote: »

They don't want them because they are asylum seekers. That's the reason.
I'm sure if any other 130 people were moving into the town they would be delighted.

and is that because asylum seekers don't financially contribute, don't speak the language, put stress on local services, are not accustomed to the culture and in a deprived environment are likely to cause social issues

or is it because you assume that all the locals don't like brown people ?

Boggles · 21-10-2019 5:40pm

Sounds like there is going to be plenty of employment in the area over the next 5 years and beyond.

€30 million investment planned for Ballinamore

Will there be a "24/7 camped protest" of that I wonder?

21-10-2019 5:44pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

and is that because asylum seekers don't financially contribute, don't speak the language, put stress on local services, are not accustomed to the culture and in a deprived environment are likely to cause social issues

or is it because you assume that all the locals don't like brown people ?

There are plenty of people living there who have the above qualities anyway.
Why not help them learn about our culture while they teach us about theirs?
And they are no more likely to cause social issues then Irish people who live in deprived environments.

splinter65 · 21-10-2019 5:57pm

bubblypop wrote: »

They don't want them because they are asylum seekers. That's the reason.
I'm sure if any other 130 people were moving into the town they would be delighted.

You’ve been told at least twice why they are objecting.
But the most important thing for you is to ignore any facts you’re presented with and just go ahead with your “feelings”.
Feeling like you are defending the asylum seekers from the “racists” is so important to you that you’re quite happy to ignore what’s best for the asylum seekers and the locals. It’s just pathetic.

splinter65 · 21-10-2019 6:00pm

bubblypop wrote: »

There are plenty of people living there who have the above qualities anyway.
Why not help them learn about our culture while they teach us about theirs?
And they are no more likely to cause social issues then Irish people who live in deprived environments.

So it’s fine to let them live in deprived conditions?
They didn’t come here to learn about our culture ffs.
They’re not bloody au pairs or gap year students!
They came here to get away from where they were!

splinter65 · 21-10-2019 6:08pm

Boggles wrote: »

Sounds like there is going to be plenty of employment in the area over the next 5 years and beyond.

€30 million investment planned for Ballinamore

Will there be a "24/7 camped protest" of that I wonder?

I do believe that you genuinely don’t have the capacity to understand the difference between:
A. a housing development that may bring willing enthusiastic taxpayers to live in the area, to spend their wages, contribute to the local economy, integrate with the community, can look after themselves etc. and
B. dumping non English speaking unwaged traumatised totally completely dependent people who don’t want to be here either.
You just can’t deal with facts.

21-10-2019 6:18pm

splinter65 wrote: »

You’ve been told at least twice why they are objecting.
But the most important thing for you is to ignore any facts you’re presented with and just go ahead with your “feelings”.
Feeling like you are defending the asylum seekers from the “racists” is so important to you that you’re quite happy to ignore what’s best for the asylum seekers and the locals. It’s just pathetic.

Sorry, I'm well-used to seeing you bait posters & I'm not one for arguing.

If this 130 people were not asylum seekers, then the town would welcome them with open arms

Beechwoodspark · 21-10-2019 6:19pm

Ppl seem to be forgetting that the asylum seekers won’t be economically contributing to the town other than spending their admittedly meagre weekly allowance in the local spar/pub etc

21-10-2019 6:20pm

splinter65 wrote: »

So it’s fine to let them live in deprived conditions?
They didn’t come here to learn about our culture ffs.
They’re not bloody au pairs or gap year students!
They came here to get away from where they were!

So they should be welcomed
Particularly if they are as traumatised as you say

Beechwoodspark · 21-10-2019 6:21pm

Instead of these “one off” centres around da country which seem to be absolutely detested by the locals why not extend mosney put proper security around it and then have that as the national asylum seeker holding centre.

21-10-2019 6:27pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Ppl seem to be forgetting that the asylum seekers won’t be economically contributing to the town other than spending their admittedly meagre weekly allowance in the local spar/pub etc

So, they will contribute then?

21-10-2019 6:27pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Instead of these “one off” centres around da country which seem to be absolutely detested by the locals why not extend mosney put proper security around it and then have that as the national asylum seeker holding centre.

Because they are not prisoners seeing sentences

Beechwoodspark · 21-10-2019 6:29pm

bubblypop wrote: »

Because they are not prisoners seeing sentences

Not saying they are

But if there was one centralized facility rather than them dotted every second townland in da country, it’d be better for the asylum seekers

Beechwoodspark · 21-10-2019 6:31pm

An extended mosney with proper facilities like schools health care integration etc

and security along with a fast track process to weed out bogus claims and a fast track back to the airport for deportation flights seems to be the best option.

thecretinhop · 21-10-2019 6:34pm

there was a lovely black women also raising salient points on rte there is she a racist??

Eric Cartman · 21-10-2019 6:37pm

bubblypop wrote: »

There are plenty of people living there who have the above qualities anyway.
Why not help them learn about our culture while they teach us about theirs?
And they are no more likely to cause social issues then Irish people who live in deprived environments.

when we talk about adding more unemployed irish people to areas full of unemployed irish people, everyone says no and that it creates ghettoisation, but when we talk about doing it with asylum seekers its 'the more the merrier'......

Eric Cartman · 21-10-2019 6:42pm

Boggles wrote: »

Sounds like there is going to be plenty of employment in the area over the next 5 years and beyond.

€30 million investment planned for Ballinamore

Will there be a "24/7 camped protest" of that I wonder?

successful it will bring a lot of employment in the construction phase of the development and there is also the potential of additional jobs created through the development of an office block in a later phase of the proposal

I bet there will be protests or atleast planning objections, sounds like a boom time 'build it and they will come' model. I bet the office block wont even have decent broadband and stays vacant for years.

Ronin247 · 21-10-2019 6:50pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I bet there will be protests or atleast planning objections, sounds like a boom time 'build it and they will come' model. I bet the office block wont even have decent broadband and stays vacant for years.

Why would they need "18 x 2 bedroom apartments "?. The have apartments available that they couldn't fill for 10 years.

Same politician pushing both things!! Does he own the land or something?

splinter65 · 21-10-2019 6:53pm

bubblypop wrote: »

Sorry, I'm well-used to seeing you bait posters & I'm not one for arguing.

If this 130 people were not asylum seekers, then the town would welcome them with open arms

Absolutely. If this 130 people were coming to Ballinamore to contribute financially economically and socially and developmentally to the town then there would be a brass band out.
But that’s not what’s happening. An already economically and socially decimated, neglected village is having more pressure put on it by the dumping of people with very complex specialist specific needs which the village cannot meet.
But really truth be told you don’t care about the locals or the asylum seekers needs. You have no interest in the nuances of the situation.
It’s all about the opportunity to do a nice little bit of virtue signaling when you see a chink of an opportunity.

mvl · 21-10-2019 6:55pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I bet there will be protests or atleast planning objections, sounds like a boom time 'build it and they will come' model. I bet the office block wont even have decent broadband and stays vacant for years.

build for what though ... who would want to invest in the region
(e.g. and you'd expect house prices would be affected by this, or no ?)
what bugs me is that government or whoever seems to want to take advantage of areas like that. are we going to see political "rewards" in future, pending if the projects decided higher up are going ahead or not ?
while this issue: hosting 130 ppl as agreed with other EU countries can be solved with less noise if these families are distributed in multiple centres ... less burden for local administrations and not as much stress on the local ppl...

blueshade · 21-10-2019 6:55pm

https://www.thejournal.ie/conglese-man-rapes-woman-in-limerick-4861240-Oct2019/

This charming fellow was here 8 months on his brother's visa as part of the family reunification scheme. A woman refused to allow him to kiss her so he raped her in a particularly nasty way, he won't even be deported when he serves his sentence. Apparently he ''misread the signals'', not sure what part of NO means YES. This isn't the first case and it won't be the last. These people aren't refugees, they are asylum seekers and most of them don't get screened properly.

splinter65 · 21-10-2019 6:57pm

thecretinhop wrote: »

there was a lovely black women also raising salient points on rte there is she a racist??

Don’t be silly. That poor woman has been brainwashed by the right wing propoganda.
Everyone knows that only white straight conservative Catholic men are racist.

Asylum Seekers Getting Apartments in Ballinamore - mod warning in OP (18/10)

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