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Liam Neeson has landed himself in a spot of trouble

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  • #52
    The Enbalmer
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,001 ✭✭✭The Enbalmer


    FunLover18 wrote: »
    The fact that he asked what colour the perp's skin was in telling. Regardless of the answer, he asked and made a choice to go out (every night for a week) with the intention of assaulting possibly murdering any man of that race who caused trouble. Reagrdless of what the victim's answer was, his intentions were based on race. He could have gone out looking to assault any man (which still would have been wrong) but he chose to focus on race. Another big issue is that the lesson he took from the experience (which he clearly regrets) is that revenge is wrong and pointless, however he doesn't express any specific regret about the fact he was targeting only people of a certain race.

    He was being specific.
    It was a black man that did the deed so he was looking for a black man to avenge himself on.
    It's the same logic the Black Panthers,Nation of Islam,Black Lives Matter and various black racist groups use to justify attacks on white people..helped in their endeavor by the Lilly-white social justice warriors and their collective middle class guilt.


  • #53
    Robert Wolfe
    Site Banned Posts: 79 ✭✭Robert Wolfe


    The Enbalmer wrote: »
    He was being specific.
    It was a black man that did the deed so he was looking for a black man to avenge himself on.
    It's the same logic the Black Panthers,Nation of Islam,Black Lives Matter and various black racist groups use to justify attacks on white people..helped in their endeavor by the Lilly-white social justice warriors and their collective middle class guilt.

    Eldrige Cleaver boasted about raping white women and yet liberal fools worship him as some kind of freedom fighter.


  • #54
    FunLover18
    Registered Users Posts: 6,793 ✭✭✭FunLover18


    BBFAN wrote: »

    Except he didn't ask what colour the perp was?

    “But my immediate reaction was, I asked, did she know who it was? No. What color were they? She said it was a black person."


  • #55
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    Edward M wrote: »
    What part of this is out of context.

    "I went up and down areas with a cosh, hoping I'd be approached by somebody - I'm ashamed to say that - and I did it for maybe a week, hoping some black b*****d would come out of a pub and have a go at me about something, you know? So that I could kill him."

    Its great he had a change of heart and is ashamed of it, there are probably loads of lads in jail with the same thought process now about their crimes.
    Maybe all that separates Neeson from that is the fact that no one aggressively approached him.
    Either that or he's just talking s***e to promote his movie.

    In this case, it was more Sky really highlighting the ‘black person’ bit. Gotta get those precious clicks!


  • #56
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,365 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    FunLover18 wrote: »
    No one said it was a crime but it's an outrageous way of thinking and it shouldn't be normalised. He's admitted it was horrible, which it was but I get the impression that he's talking about his intentions and not the racism behind those intentions. He could have gone out with the intention of assaulting a white man or an Asian man, it would still be racist because he's targeting an innocent man for the crime of someone who happens to share a skin tone.

    Like it or not though, that was the mentality in northern Ireland at the time. How many innocent Catholics or Protestants were punished for crimes that they had no involvement in?

    One person talking about an experience many years ago is not "normalising" it. Attitudes have changed nowadays and neeson freely admits he was wrong.


  • #57
    BBFAN
    Registered Users Posts: 2,228 ✭✭✭BBFAN


    FunLover18 wrote: »
    “But my immediate reaction was, I asked, did she know who it was? No. What color were they? She said it was a black person."

    Okay, apologies, he did say that. That is a bit weird.


  • #58
    Ipso
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Like it or not though, that was the mentality in northern Ireland at the time. How many innocent Catholics or Protestants were punished for crimes that they had no involvement in?

    One person talking about an experience many years ago is not "normalising" it. Attitudes have changed nowadays and neeson freely admits he was wrong.

    You’re wrong. Best to go twitter, the perfect human specimens there will give you instructions to get woke.


  • #59
    Outlaw Pete
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    Some man for admitting to feeling that way (even if it was at some time in the past) but then Neeson has always been someone who's never been afraid to say somethiing controversial. Last time on TTLS he said that he felt the metoo movement was turning into a witch hunt. Largely on the back of the accusations against Dustin Hoffman.

    Anyway, here's the audio of these recent comments:


    https://twitter.com/actaruspro/status/1092525834450202629


  • #60
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,365 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    In this case, it was more Sky really highlighting the ‘black person’ bit. Gotta get those precious clicks!


    The actor shared the previously undisclosed story with The Independent during a press junket for his new film, Cold Pursuit, admitting that he is now “ashamed” of his past “awful” behaviour.

    “I went up and down areas with a cosh, hoping I’d be approached by somebody. I’m ashamed to say that, and I did it for maybe a week – hoping some [Neeson gestures air quotes with his fingers] ‘black bastard’ would come out of a pub and have a go at me about something, you know? So that I could kill him.”

    “It was horrible, horrible, when I think back, that I did that,” he said. “And I’ve never admitted that, and I’m saying it to a journalist. God forbid.”

    This is the original article. Slightly different take on it than what was quoted previously

    So, guy did something bad in the past, admits it and is ashamed by it now. What do people want to happen? Unless you go back in time to find the Liam neeson who thought that behaviour was acceptable there's no point now is there?


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  • #61
    marvin80
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,817 ✭✭✭marvin80


    https://twitter.com/RomeshRanga/status/1092473629563068416


  • #62
    Edward M
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,837 ✭✭✭Edward M


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    In this case, it was more Sky really highlighting the ‘black person’ bit. Gotta get those precious clicks!

    Well it was in quotes so I'd say it's accurate, the black person bit wasn't "person" either.
    Anyway, I won't dwell on it any longer, I don't think he should have said it, but can't wait for the movie, I like his good old action films.
    If its publicity for the film he was looking for, not sure he should have worded it the way he did is all really.


  • #63
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,365 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Edward M wrote: »
    Well it was in quotes so I'd say it's accurate, the black person bit wasn't "person" either.
    Anyway, I won't dwell on it any longer, I don't think he should have said it, but can't wait for the movie, I like his good old action films.
    If its publicity for the film he was looking for, not sure he should have worded it the way he did is all really.
    “I went up and down areas with a cosh, hoping I’d be approached by somebody. I’m ashamed to say that, and I did it for maybe a week – hoping some [Neeson gestures air quotes with his fingers] ‘black bastard’ would come out of a pub and have a go at me about something, you know? So that I could kill him.”

    He used air quotes to indicate that was his thinking at the time. He knows it was wrong


  • #64
    FunLover18
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    The Enbalmer wrote: »

    He was being specific.

    He was being specific by wanting to attack ANY man who happened to have the same skin colour as one rapist?


  • #65
    Mutant z
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Mutant z


    He was speaking at the heat of a moment about someone he was close to was raped people need to calm the **** down.


  • #66
    riffmongous
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,813 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    Well the main thing is that it was years ago and he recognises how bad it was but still.. even leaving out the race part, anyone who goes out looking to start a fight with an essentially innocent person so you can murder them is mental. It's not even revenge in this case, it's just murder fuelled by impotent rage


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  • #67
    Edward M
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,837 ✭✭✭Edward M


    Mutant z wrote: »
    He was speaking at the heat of a moment about someone he was close to was raped people need to calm the **** down.

    He was in the heat of the moment for maybe a week with a cosh in his pocket?


  • #68
    FunLover18
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    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Like it or not though, that was the mentality in northern Ireland at the time. How many innocent Catholics or Protestants were punished for crimes that they had no involvement in?

    One person talking about an experience many years ago is not "normalising" it. Attitudes have changed nowadays and neeson freely admits he was wrong.

    But you yourself are normalising it within in the context of the time and where he from. People are normalising it now by say saying things like "queue the snowflakes". The fact that a grown man thought (and I am using the past tense) it was appropriate to do what Liam did is insane. To want revenge on the individual is normal, to want revenge on their anyone sharing their ethnicity is racist. I'm not saying Liam IS a racist and I'm not saying hes not sorry but I it was a stupid story to tell in a press tour and I think people are within reason to be outraged.


  • #69
    Penfailed
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    Coming from the north and having read the headline, I assumed he was talking about a Protestant...:eek:

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  • #70
    The Enbalmer
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,001 ✭✭✭The Enbalmer


    FunLover18 wrote: »
    The Enbalmer wrote: »

    He was being specific.

    He was being specific by wanting to attack ANY man who happened to have the same skin colour as one rapist?

    I note you're more interested in skin colour than the fact that a woman was raped.
    Are you sure that she wasn't raped BECAUSE she was white?
    A girl I know was attacked by a black taxi driver who repeatedly referred to her as a "white bitch".


  • #71
    The Enbalmer
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,001 ✭✭✭The Enbalmer


    FunLover18 wrote: »
    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Like it or not though, that was the mentality in northern Ireland at the time. How many innocent Catholics or Protestants were punished for crimes that they had no involvement in?

    One person talking about an experience many years ago is not "normalising" it. Attitudes have changed nowadays and neeson freely admits he was wrong.

    But you yourself are normalising it within in the context of the time and where he from. People are normalising it now by say saying things like "queue the snowflakes". The fact that a grown man thought (and I am using the past tense) it was appropriate to do what Liam did is insane. To want revenge on the individual is normal, to want revenge on their anyone sharing their ethnicity is racist. I'm not saying Liam IS a racist and I'm not saying hes not sorry but I it was a stupid story to tell in a press tour and I think people are within reason to be outraged.

    Oooh he was RACIST..a terrible crime..far worse than rape in your twisted mind.


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  • #72
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,659 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    The Enbalmer wrote: »
    I note you're more interested in skin colour than the fact that a woman was raped.
    Are you sure that she wasn't raped BECAUSE she was white?
    A girl I know was attacked by a black taxi driver who repeatedly referred to her as a "white bitch".

    What's that got to do with anything really?


  • #73
    Here we go
    Registered Users Posts: 286 ✭✭Here we go


    FunLover18 wrote: »
    But you yourself are normalising it within in the context of the time and where he from. People are normalising it now by say saying things like "queue the snowflakes". The fact that a grown man thought (and I am using the past tense) it was appropriate to do what Liam did is insane. To want revenge on the individual is normal, to want revenge on their anyone sharing their ethnicity is racist. I'm not saying Liam IS a racist and I'm not saying hes not sorry but I it was a stupid story to tell in a press tour and I think people are within reason to be outraged.

    Don’t think it’s being normilised just giving context. As for his actions I think I’d feel the same someone being raped is monsterous and to want to kill someone who raped someone close not unimaginable as for him being black that’s all he knew what I took from it was he was looking for the rapist and I a hash assumed if omeone approached him aggressively who was black he taught there might be a chance that’s was the rapist if I was a guy with red hair who was the rapist and he did the executed same thing we wouldn’t be talking about this


  • #74
    The Enbalmer
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,001 ✭✭✭The Enbalmer


    Arghus wrote: »
    The Enbalmer wrote: »
    I note you're more interested in skin colour than the fact that a woman was raped.
    Are you sure that she wasn't raped BECAUSE she was white?
    A girl I know was attacked by a black taxi driver who repeatedly referred to her as a "white bitch".

    What's that got to do with anything really?

    Well since you mention it she hates all black taxi drivers as a result.


  • #75
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    riffmongous wrote: »
    Well the main thing is that it was years ago and he recognises how bad it was but still.. even leaving out the race part, anyone who goes out looking to start a fight with an essentially innocent person so you can murder them is mental. It's not even revenge in this case, it's just murder fuelled by impotent rage

    Would that kind of mindset be unusual in Northern Ireland back in the 70s?
    I think it's admirable that he managed to overcome such a troubling mindset and that he is not afraid to talk about it.


  • #76
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,365 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    FunLover18 wrote: »
    But you yourself are normalising it within in the context of the time and where he from. People are normalising it now by say saying things like "queue the snowflakes". The fact that a grown man thought (and I am using the past tense) it was appropriate to do what Liam did is insane. To want revenge on the individual is normal, to want revenge on their anyone sharing their ethnicity is racist. I'm not saying Liam IS a racist and I'm not saying hes not sorry but I it was a stupid story to tell in a press tour and I think people are within reason to be outraged.

    But it was a common mentality in northern Ireland at the time. And yes, I do think it's insane that a grown man could think that was ok but I do think you have to see it through the lens of the time period. it's a fact that people were targeted for revenge solely because of their ethnicity or religion, that's not normalising it in hindsight, it's acknowledging the reality at the time

    Thankfully things have moved on since then and people are able to acknowledge the mistakes of the past, both on a personal and societal level.


  • #77
    Irish Guitarist
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,736 ✭✭✭Irish Guitarist


    He said he was waiting for someone to start with him. If someone is going around starting trouble with strangers they're not exactly innocent. They may be the wrong person to seek revenge on but they'd still be a scumbag.


  • #78
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    Irish Guitarist wrote: »
    He said he was waiting for someone to start with him. If someone is going around starting trouble with strangers they're not exactly innocent. They may be the wrong person to seek revenge on but they'd still be a scumbag.

    The issue people have is he was looking to provoke a "black bastard" and not just anyone. Also the fact that he had intended to murder someone for being confrontational.
    Again I must say the vast majority of people online are ignoring the fact that he regrets it and he know how wrong it was.


  • #79
    Robert Wolfe
    Site Banned Posts: 79 ✭✭Robert Wolfe


    Were this a black man wanting revenge on whites then it wouldn't even make the news.


  • #80
    Omackeral
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    Robert Wolfe wrote: »
    Were this a black man wanting revenge on whites then it wouldn't even make the news.

    I think the fact he's a Hollywood star is probably the reason it's in the news.


  • #81
    Robert Wolfe
    Site Banned Posts: 79 ✭✭Robert Wolfe


    Omackeral wrote: »
    I think the fact he's a Hollywood star is probably the reason it's in the news.

    If Idris Elba said he wanted to kill a white bastard because someone he cared for was raped it would barely make the news.


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  • #82
    Birneybau
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,357 ✭✭✭✭Birneybau


    Leonidas BL wrote: »
    Queue the snowflakes....

    Cue the pedants


  • #83
    BBFAN
    Registered Users Posts: 2,228 ✭✭✭BBFAN


    Robert Wolfe wrote: »
    Were this a black man wanting revenge on whites then it wouldn't even make the news.

    Ah it would though. Stop talking ****e now. :rolleyes:


  • #84
    BBFAN
    Registered Users Posts: 2,228 ✭✭✭BBFAN


    Robert Wolfe wrote: »
    If Idris Elba said he wanted to kill a white bastard because someone he cared for was raped it would barely make the news.

    Of course it would, don't be so ridiculous.


  • #85
    Muckka
    Registered Users Posts: 498 ✭✭Muckka


    Fair play to Liam, he's a good man.
    A man of principal.
    On of my favourite actor's, a real man.
    Stands up and says it as it is.
    Empathic and manly about it.

    He expressed his freedom of speech.
    But yet the soy boys still are outraged about it.

    Pussies


  • #86
    BBFAN
    Registered Users Posts: 2,228 ✭✭✭BBFAN


    Muckka wrote: »
    Fair play to Liam, he's a good man.
    A man of principal.
    On of my favourite actor's, a real man.
    Stands up and says it as it is.
    Empathic and manly about it.

    He expressed his freedom of speech.
    But yet the soy boys still are outraged about it.

    Pussies

    I'd say you're really disappointed that no-one is outraged. :rolleyes:

    Actually embarrassed for you. :D:D:D:D:D:D


  • #87
    Muckka
    Registered Users Posts: 498 ✭✭Muckka


    BBFAN wrote: »
    I'd say you're really disappointed that no-one is outraged. :rolleyes:

    Actually embarrassed for you. :D:D:D:D:D:D

    Tell "actually" it's ok I don't mind him or her feeling embarrassed for me....


  • #88
    FTA69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    He was young and angry and traumatised at the time. He went a bit mad, thought some horrible things and acted a bit stupidly for a short period of time. This was 40 years ago and he admitted that his thoughts at the time were rage-fuelled and wrong and that he regretted it.

    This whole episode is an absolute non-event but the woke Twitter lynch mob has geared up now so that’s that. Neeson must be flagellated in public and people must trip over themselves to be seen publicly putting the boot in to show how right on they are.

    All context and perspective goes out the window and on we go until the next poor bastard misspeaks or says something taboo.


  • #89
    Omackeral
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    Robert Wolfe wrote: »
    If Idris Elba said he wanted to kill a white bastard because someone he cared for was raped it would barely make the news.

    Except it would.


  • #90
    Lefty Bicek
    Registered Users Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    Big deal about not much.


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  • #91
    Robert Wolfe
    Site Banned Posts: 79 ✭✭Robert Wolfe


    BBFAN wrote: »
    Of course it would, don't be so ridiculous.

    Not a ****ing chance it would.


  • #92
    screamer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,174 ✭✭✭screamer


    Oh a load of ould bull****e altogether. He seems confused with his movie egos..... and as for his thoughts, well, the snowflakes would be the very ones who’d tell us that if someone who actually did that was caught and jailed, they’ve done their time and should be left live their lives.... but if you’re an actor with a flawed though process, borne out of sheer anger.... outrage outrage.
    Load of ould bollox.


  • #93
    Saanvi Tangy Composer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,249 ✭✭✭ Saanvi Tangy Composer


    The usual triggering is ongoing on twitter by people with no lives.


  • #94
    Arghus
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    Robert Wolfe wrote: »
    Not a ****ing chance it would.

    Are you mad? That'd be a massive new story. There'd be a thread here about it with 2000 posts in less than 24 hours.


  • #95
    Muckka
    Registered Users Posts: 498 ✭✭Muckka


    If you want to see some cucks, lefties, femminazis and their ilk get triggered....

    Watch Squatting Slav TV on YouTube

    It's well worth a giggle....


  • #96
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    Arghus wrote: »
    Are you mad? That'd be a massive new story. There'd be a thread here about it with 2000 posts in less than 24 hours.

    Saying if a white man said it about a black man his career would be ruined.

    I think Neeson was stupid here, although I doubt the Twitter mobs matters too much if you are not on Twitter.


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  • #97
    Irish Guitarist
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,736 ✭✭✭Irish Guitarist


    Irish Guitarist wrote: »
    Then you have someone like Ice Cube earning a fortune from rapping about killing whites and Koreans, never expressing any regret and going on to star in family comedies.

    I made the same point on a link to a news article on Twitter. It didn't take long for a 'black liberal' to call me a "racist white man". Apparently mentioning double standards is racism now.

    Meanwhile here's the lyrics to Ice Cubes Black Korea.

    Every time I wanna go get a ****in' brew
    I gotta go down to the store with the two
    Oriental one penny countin' mother****ers
    That make a nigga mad enough to cause a little ruckus
    Thinkin' every brother in the world's out to take
    So they watch every damn move that I make
    They hope I don't pull out a gat and try to rob
    They funky little store, but, bitch, I got a job
    "Look, you little Chinese mother****er
    I ain't tryin' to steal none of yo' ****, leave me alone!"
    "Mother **** you!"
    Yo, yo, check it out
    So don't follow me up and down your market
    Or your little chop suey ass'll be a target
    Of the nationwide boycott
    Juice with the people, that's what the boy got
    So pay respect to the black fist
    Or we'll burn your store right down to a crisp
    And then we'll see ya
    Cause you can't turn the ghetto into black Korea
    "Mother **** you!"


  • #98
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    I usually find the outrage at things celebrities say so annoying and over the top, but this I find really strange

    First reaction to hearing that a black person raped her and he wants to kill any black person then, I dont get where hes coming from at all or see how thats understandable and its a weird thing to openly admit


  • #99
    Muckka
    Registered Users Posts: 498 ✭✭Muckka


    Irish Guitarist wrote: »
    I made the same point on a link to a news article on Twitter. It didn't take long for a 'black liberal' to call me a "racist white man". Apparently mentioning double standards is racism now.

    Meanwhile here's the lyrics to Ice Cubes Black Korea.

    That's what you're dealing with nowadays, the English dictionary is even racist now.

    There's no compromise with these knobs.

    They'll tell you it's art or something...


  • #100
    Augme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,136 ✭✭✭Augme


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

    As for the feelings of wanting vengeance, they are very human feelings if not the most admirable. Kinda like when the father of a victim of Larry Nassar lunged at him in court last year. It was a wrong action but a perfectly understandable one.

    Lol, what?! Wanting vegence against any randomer who happens to have the same colour skin is not normal at all. As for the larry nassar example, absolutely no relevance at all.


  • #101
    Atlantic Dawn
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    M


    Mel Gibson has been outgunned, lol.


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