Ireland is now only 82% Native Irish.

Calina · 15-12-2018 11:53am

vladmydad wrote: »

But native refers to a Gaelic gene that is present throughout most of the last 12,500 years. The Irish people who carry this gene are what’s considered native. We are a race of people just as the Japanese and Chinese are. It’s ok to be proud of it, just as ancient tribes in Africa are proud. Stop this reflexive fear of any mention of ethnicity.

Citation required.

Fighting Tao · 15-12-2018 11:54am

vladmydad wrote: »

But native refers to a Gaelic gene that is present throughout most of the last 12,500 years. The Irish people who carry this gene are what’s considered native. We are a race of people just as the Japanese and Chinese are. It’s ok to be proud of it, just as ancient tribes in Africa are proud. Stop this reflexive fear of any mention of ethnicity.

Arbitrary definition. It means nothing really.

Sleeper12 · 15-12-2018 11:55am

I'm 7 percent Viking according to my DNA results. What percentage do I need to have to be Irish?

My wife's family came over and with Cromwell. She's less than 75 percent Irish yet her family have lived here hundreds of years.

vladmydad · 15-12-2018 11:56am

Also the problem of self segregation. In America Hispanic, whites. blacks all tend to live in neighborhoods of the same ethnicity and do so by choice. In Michigan large Sudanese community’s are arising and following the same pattern. Ireland is in its infancy with multiculturalism, a lot of challenges lay ahead of us,

kneemos · 15-12-2018 11:57am

vladmydad wrote: »

But native refers to a Gaelic gene that is present throughout most of the last 12,500 years. The Irish people who carry this gene are what’s considered native. We are a race of people just as the Japanese and Chinese are. It’s ok to be proud of it, just as ancient tribes in Africa are proud. Stop this reflexive fear of any mention of ethnicity.

That's just something you've pulled out of your hole.

fryup · 15-12-2018 11:57am

realitykeeper wrote: »

To me native Ireland is Irish speaking, Catholic and white

does that narrow-minded attitude still exist ?

thought we gone past that?

Fighting Tao · 15-12-2018 11:58am

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I'm 7 percent Viking according to my DNA results. What percentage do I need to have to be Irish?

My wife's family came over and with Cromwell. She's less than 75 percent Irish yet her family have lived here hundreds of years.

Ye might be let into the Irish gang if you provide sufficient personal and work references, but ye have no change of joining the 'Native Irish' gang!

Wanderer78 · 15-12-2018 11:59am

fryup wrote:

does that narrow-minded attitude still exist ?

It is for some religiously obsessed people

Deub · 15-12-2018 11:59am

vladmydad wrote: »

Yugoslavia, western Roman Empire, Austria-Hungary

How can you compare this change with these examples. It is hundreds of different nationalities coming to Ireland (and other countries by the way).

EDit · 15-12-2018 12:00pm

vladmydad wrote: »

But native refers to a Gaelic gene that is present throughout most of the last 12,500 years. The Irish people who carry this gene are what’s considered native. We are a race of people just as the Japanese and Chinese are. It’s ok to be proud of it, just as ancient tribes in Africa are proud. Stop this reflexive fear of any mention of ethnicity.

Considering the mixing of populations over the past 12500 years, I’d imagine there are a lot of non-Irish that carry any so-called “Gaelic” gene. For example, would you consider a Polish man, whose ancestors included a random Irish person 500 years ago and so carries this Gaelic gene, and who has lived in Poland all his life, to be “native Irish”?

15-12-2018 12:00pm

vladmydad wrote: »

So mass immigration cannot be discussed ?

It can, as long as you have reliable statistics and expect to be called racist anyway by the very same "liberals" who'd be significantly more "racist" themselves if they were at the bottom of the Irish socio-economic ladder, and therefore the first to suffer from the immigration they support from behind their formidable barriers/forts of high education/professional qualifications/long-established networks/nice home in an area in which many immigrants cannot afford to live, etc.

vladmydad · 15-12-2018 12:00pm

Anyone notice the large plant boxes blocking vehicle access to busy pedestrian streets in Dublin this weekend ?
Just another example of the new reality of all this cultural enrichment.

batgoat · 15-12-2018 12:00pm

vladmydad wrote: »

Your post sums up the malaise of Europeans. We’ve been browbeaten into believing the we’re the bad guys and our time is up. We’re witnessing the last days of Europe.

Cool, should I stock up on dried goods?

thegreengoblin · 15-12-2018 12:00pm

The vast majority of the problems this country has faced since independence have been caused by the 'natives' so anyone looking to target immigrants because they're diluting the gene pool or some such bollox can go and do one.

stimpson · 15-12-2018 12:01pm

Fighting Tao wrote: »

Ethnic Irish Travellers are as close as it gets and they are a tiny percentage of the population.

Even the travellers are not genetically separate from the rest of the population, despite what some would have you think.

The one thing I love about genetics is that genes are used by the hard right as a propaganda tool for “racial purity”, but the science shows that few of us are actually “pure” - we’re all mongrels to some extent.

And that due to genetic diseases being passed on to offspring, being pure is not a good thing.

Fighting Tao · 15-12-2018 12:01pm

vladmydad wrote: »

Anyone notice the large plant boxes blocking vehicle access to busy pedestrian streets in Dublin this weekend ?
Just another example of the new reality of all this cultural enrichment.

Go on. There is one word you are dying to use throughout this thread...just say it and get it out in the open. We all know what you have been referring to all along. There is no need to hide it.

vladmydad · 15-12-2018 12:03pm

EDit wrote: »

vladmydad wrote: »

But native refers to a Gaelic gene that is present throughout most of the last 12,500 years. The Irish people who carry this gene are what’s considered native. We are a race of people just as the Japanese and Chinese are. It’s ok to be proud of it, just as ancient tribes in Africa are proud. Stop this reflexive fear of any mention of ethnicity.

Considering the mixing of populations over the past 12500 years, I’d imagine there are a lot of non-Irish that carry any so-called “Gaelic” gene. For example, would you consider a Polish man, whose ancestors included a random Irish person 500 years ago and so carries this Gaelic gene, and who has lived in Poland all his life, to be “native Irish”?

I guess it would make him 1/20th Irish or something like that.

stimpson · 15-12-2018 12:04pm

Fighting Tao wrote: »

Go on. There is one word you are dying to use throughout this thread...just say it and get it out in the open. We all know what you have been referring to all along. There is no need to hide it.

It’s the Chinese he’s after, not the Greeks.

Fighting Tao · 15-12-2018 12:04pm

stimpson wrote: »

Even the travellers are not genetically separate from the rest of the population, despite what some would have you think.

The one thing I love about genetics is that genes are used by the hard right as a propaganda tool for “racial purity”, but the science shows that few of us are actually “pure” - we’re all mongrels to some extent.

And that due to genetic diseases being passed on to offspring, being pure is not a good thing.

I should have said they are the only ones that have the legal protection and recognition to be Irish by ethnicity.

EDit · 15-12-2018 12:04pm

vladmydad wrote: »

I guess it would make him 1/20th Irish or something like that.

Ok, so I guess the real question should be...if he moved to Ireland would you consider that to be a good or bad thing? (Remember, he carries the magic gene!)

Franz Von Peppercorn · 15-12-2018 12:05pm

recedite wrote: »

That's an interesting question, and while it seems difficult or impossible to answer, it is in fact quite simple to answer.
The answer is No, not after it happens. And before it happens, they are mostly oblivious to it.

After it gets to that level, the people redefine themselves as "a nation of immigrants" and "the majority" are quite happy then with that situation.
You can see this effect working in London and some of the other cities of the UK. They have a very different attitude to issues such as Brexit when compared with some other parts of England that are still inhabited by "native" English people.

Immigrants like immigrants is what you are saying here.

vladmydad · 15-12-2018 12:05pm

Fighting Tao wrote: »

vladmydad wrote: »

Anyone notice the large plant boxes blocking vehicle access to busy pedestrian streets in Dublin this weekend ?
Just another example of the new reality of all this cultural enrichment.

Go on. There is one word you are dying to use throughout this thread...just say it and get it out in the open. We all know what you have been referring to all along. There is no need to hide it.

Wow man, you’re cranky this morning.
Anyway they are lovely plant boxes and surprisingly sturdy, I bet they could even stop a madman in a truck but that would never happen in Ireland.

Fighting Tao · 15-12-2018 12:06pm

stimpson wrote: »

It’s the Chinese he’s after, not the Greeks.

We can't get rid of them. Who would make the Chinese food we love to take away?

Dr_serious2 · 15-12-2018 12:07pm

Most of the people making these decisions and lauding immigration actually live in wealthy areas with zero ethnic diversity and send their children to gaeilscoileanna or private schools where there are no foreign children at all.

Deub · 15-12-2018 12:07pm

Den14 wrote: »

It's the potential 'ghettos' that may establish in areas that could be a concern.
Integration is so important.
And the following video demonstrates when this doesn't happen. There is a recently made video where a female journalist attempts to walk around a suburb of paris... A good eye opener

https://youtu.be/RlNCVQGFrMU

You should share some background when posting videos. When France needed labour they allowed people to emigrate in big numbers. The big issue is that instead of integrating them, they build big blocks of flats and put everyone there. How could they integrate when they were "parked".
I don't see the Irish state building complex only for immigrants.

vladmydad · 15-12-2018 12:09pm

Dr_serious2 wrote: »

Most of the people making these decisions and lauding immigration actually live in wealthy areas with zero ethnic diversity and send their children to gaeilscoileanna where there are no foreign children at all.

Same in Washington DC. The pro diversity elites live in gated homogeneous community’s and suffer little of the problems of mass immigration.

Fighting Tao · 15-12-2018 12:09pm

vladmydad wrote: »

Wow man, you’re cranky this morning.
Anyway they are lovely plant boxes and surprisingly sturdy, I bet they could even stop a madman in a truck but that would never happen in Ireland.

I'm just dancing the dance that you are leading. You make the understanding of it so easy. Usually when I see interpretative dancing I don't have a clue what's going on, so thank you for making it so clear.

RWCNT · 15-12-2018 12:12pm

vladmydad wrote: »

Without the racist, xenophobic accusations and all that crap, does anyone have any concerns about just how rapidly the Irish people are decreasing in Ireland ?
It’s a very recent phenomenon and given that immigration into Ireland is ever increasing and that the birth rates of the “new” Irish are dramatically higher than natives. It is inevitable that 82% will soon be 70% , 55%, 40% etc.

There is no debate in Irish media or politics about this and we have never voted on the issue. In fact it’s actually taboo. What are your thoughts?

Regarding birth rates, it's been observed that while migrants often have higher birthrates than natives, this tends to level off with the second and third generations, so decline in native population percentage will not be anywhere near as rapid as you may think.

vladmydad · 15-12-2018 12:12pm

Fighting Tao wrote: »

vladmydad wrote: »

Wow man, you’re cranky this morning.
Anyway they are lovely plant boxes and surprisingly sturdy, I bet they could even stop a madman in a truck but that would never happen in Ireland.

I'm just dancing the dance with you that you are leading. You make the understanding of it so easy. Usually when I see interpretative dancing I don't have a clue what's going on, so thank you for making it so clear.

I’m here to help. Have you done your Christmas shopping yet ? Ehh actually you might want to avoid any Christmas markets, they’ve become surprisingly dangerous...... but that has nothing to do with cultural enrichment,

batgoat · 15-12-2018 12:12pm

vladmydad wrote: »

Wow man, you’re cranky this morning.
Anyway they are lovely plant boxes and surprisingly sturdy, I bet they could even stop a madman in a truck but that would never happen in Ireland.

Do you have any actual proof that's the purpose they serve? Do you read a lot of Infowars?

amcalester · 15-12-2018 12:13pm

vladmydad wrote: »

Wow man, you’re cranky this morning.
Anyway they are lovely plant boxes and surprisingly sturdy, I bet they could even stop a madman in a truck but that would never happen in Ireland.

It could. But historically we didn’t need to import terrorists, we kept that in house.

So what’s your point?

Fighting Tao · 15-12-2018 12:14pm

batgoat wrote: »

Do you have any actual proof that's the purpose they serve? Do you read a lot of Infowars?

I notice that they slow down the delivery drivers to the shops. It was an excellent idea as some of them drive like lunatics even when there are many people around.

wakka12 · 15-12-2018 12:15pm

Plenty of those immigrants are white and when they have children here those children will grow up to be considered 'native irish' , just shows how ridiculous and trivial the whole thing is really, nobody is native because how far back do you back in a family tree to determine this? All we can do is try to just bring in immigrants we think will improve the country and make sure they assimilate to the culture of the people who already live here

Fighting Tao · 15-12-2018 12:16pm

vladmydad wrote: »

I’m here to help. Have you done your Christmas shopping yet ? Ehh actually you might want to avoid any Christmas markets, they’ve become surprisingly dangerous...... but that has nothing to do with cultural enrichment,

Over the last few years I have visited Christmas markets in Germany, the UK and Ireland. We don't do them so well in Ireland, but the ones in Germany and Birmingham in particular were a delight. I had a great time visiting them.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 15-12-2018 12:16pm

stimpson wrote: »

Even the travellers are not genetically separate from the rest of the population, despite what some would have you think.

The one thing I love about genetics is that genes are used by the hard right as a propaganda tool for “racial purity”, but the science shows that few of us are actually “pure” - we’re all mongrels to some extent.

And that due to genetic diseases being passed on to offspring, being pure is not a good thing.

The argument to pure genetics is only made by the left in fact, as a strawman argument that they claim the right makes.

Maintaining ethnic native majorities is hardly possible, but of course the country should be able to dictate the scale and who comes into the country. And it should pursue integration policies.

There are also problems in any one generation if resources are overwhelmed and wages stagnate. Another problem is the racial hucksterism of the cultural left, a class largely from the leafy suburbs and far away from any problems.

They know, and we know, that that are the most racist class in the country. They know and we know that they have a lock on upper middle class jobs for upper middle class white Irish (RTE). . They know and we know they are the classes that largely supported the racist British empire.

But we also know we can’t say it.

vladmydad · 15-12-2018 12:16pm

batgoat wrote: »

vladmydad wrote: »

Wow man, you’re cranky this morning.
Anyway they are lovely plant boxes and surprisingly sturdy, I bet they could even stop a madman in a truck but that would never happen in Ireland.

Do you have any actual proof that's the purpose they serve? Do you read a lot of Infowars?

Spoke directly with a member of the Gardí and DCC and yes they are barriers to stop Islamic nuts from killing people. Same in London Rome etc. it’s a sign of the future.

kneemos · 15-12-2018 12:17pm

Our biggest immigrant group are the Brits, probably followed by east Europeans.

A handful of Muslims, it's the end of humanity.

Fighting Tao · 15-12-2018 12:18pm

vladmydad wrote: »

Spoke directly with a member of the Gardí and DCC and yes they are barriers to stop Islamic nuts from killing people. Same in London Rome etc. it’s a sign of the future.

Finally got that word off your chest!

stimpson · 15-12-2018 12:18pm

vladmydad wrote: »

I’m here to help. Have you done your Christmas shopping yet ? Ehh actually you might want to avoid any Christmas markets, they’ve become surprisingly dangerous...... but that has nothing to do with cultural enrichment,

I don’t think you’re Irish at all, Vlad.

If you were, then you would realise that ALL Irish politics is about the Civil war. We have an openly gay, half Indian Taoiseach and the only reason people hate him is that he’s a Blueshirt.

Nobody cares where the immigrants are from as long as they take your side.

RWCNT · 15-12-2018 12:19pm

vladmydad wrote: »

Anyone notice the large plant boxes blocking vehicle access to busy pedestrian streets in Dublin this weekend ?
Just another example of the new reality of all this cultural enrichment.

Oh god, a government taking pro active steps to keep its people safe, doing something simple to mitigate disaster just in case - oh, the horror.

Didn't take long for the mask to slip with you, did it? Go back to pulling your plum to ComputingForever videos on YouTube or whatever other **** lords you borrow your beliefs from.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 15-12-2018 12:19pm

batgoat wrote: »

Do you have any actual proof that's the purpose they serve? Do you read a lot of Infowars?

Don’t know about the ones in Ireland but that’s what they are there for on the continent.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 15-12-2018 12:20pm

RWCNT wrote: »

Oh god, a government taking pro active steps to keep its people safe, doing something simple to mitigate disaster just in case - oh, the horror.

Didn't take long for the mask to slip with you, did it? Go back to pulling your plum to ComputingForever videos on YouTube or whatever other **** lords you borrow your beliefs from.

Taking active steps because of an increase in potential terrorism.

vladmydad · 15-12-2018 12:21pm

stimpson wrote: »

vladmydad wrote: »

I’m here to help. Have you done your Christmas shopping yet ? Ehh actually you might want to avoid any Christmas markets, they’ve become surprisingly dangerous...... but that has nothing to do with cultural enrichment,

I don’t think you’re Irish at all, Vlad.

If you were, then you would realise that ALL Irish politics is about the Civil war. We have an openly gay, half Indian Taoiseach and the only reason people hate him is that he’s a Blueshirt.

Nobody cares where the immigrants are from as long as they take your side.

Lol all Irish politics is about leftism. FF FG SF labour all left wing , pro immigration, pro EU, socially liberal.

kneemos · 15-12-2018 12:21pm

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Taking active steps because of an increase in potential terrorism.

Damn unionists.

Fighting Tao · 15-12-2018 12:22pm

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Taking active steps because of an increase in potential terrorism.

Nah, it's to slow down delivery drivers and to ensure that Henry St is not used as a shortcut for the Kinahans and Hutches getaway vehicles after their latest shooting in the North Inner city. :pac:

wakka12 · 15-12-2018 12:22pm

vladmydad wrote: »

I’m here to help. Have you done your Christmas shopping yet ? Ehh actually you might want to avoid any Christmas markets, they’ve become surprisingly dangerous...... but that has nothing to do with cultural enrichment,

Tens of millions of people attend christmas markets across europe annually without any danger

Franz Von Peppercorn · 15-12-2018 12:23pm

kneemos wrote: »

Damn unionists.

Don’t think it’s them. Maybe they might kick off after a United ireland, but I wouldn’t support that.

vladmydad · 15-12-2018 12:23pm

RWCNT wrote: »

vladmydad wrote: »

Anyone notice the large plant boxes blocking vehicle access to busy pedestrian streets in Dublin this weekend ?
Just another example of the new reality of all this cultural enrichment.

Oh god, a government taking pro active steps to keep its people safe, doing something simple to mitigate disaster just in case - oh, the horror.

Didn't take long for the mask to slip with you, did it? Go back to pulling your plum to ComputingForever videos on YouTube or whatever other **** lords you borrow your beliefs from.

So you admit an increase risk of terrorism because of our Islamic friends but that’s ok because your a good lefty.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 15-12-2018 12:24pm

Fighting Tao wrote: »

Nah, it's to slow down delivery drivers and to ensure that Henry St is not used as a shortcut for the Kinahans and Hutches getaway vehicles after their latest shooting in the North Inner city. :pac:

Yeh? They were erected after the attacks in Paris.

batgoat · 15-12-2018 12:25pm

Fighting Tao wrote: »

Nah, it's to slow down delivery drivers and to ensure that Henry St is not used as a shortcut for the Kinahans and Hutches getaway vehicles after their latest shooting in the North Inner city. :pac:

You'd honestly think that the UK didn't face significant risks of terrorism from the 70s to 90s. Same for mainland Europe. You had the IRA, Red Army Faction and ETA.

Ireland is now only 82% Native Irish.

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