Tommy Robinson jailed

Captain Obvious · 27-05-2018 2:56pm

JohnMc1 wrote: »

Oh look. It s Capt. Oblivious again. Here to post another worthless post.

I figured that's stump you alright. So not only are you defending a man who had jeopardised a child abuse trial, you also believe the police should be responsible for keeping the victims of that abuse away from that same man for their own good. Do you have any concept of personal responsibility?

Its all alt right · 27-05-2018 2:56pm

Still not sure what it was Tommy did at the court yet. I don't understand, if it is so easy for a mistrial to be called by someone turning up and saying stuff...why don't the accused just pay one of their lackeys to turn up and do whatever whatever it was Tommy did?

JohnMc1 · 27-05-2018 2:59pm

Captain Obvious wrote: »

I figured that's stump you alright. So not only are you defending a man who had jeopardised a child abuse trial, you also believe the police should be responsible for keeping the victims of that abuse away from that same man for their own good. Do you have any concept of personal responsibility?

You couldn't stump a wooden log. You're post was and worthless. Where did I say I that? Prove it or shut the **** up.

20Cent · 27-05-2018 3:00pm

thebull85 wrote: »

No one was called muslim paedo outside the court, you're talking through your hole. They were asked what they were in court for. The reaction from them speaks for itself, guilty men that dont give a f**k about the law. Child rapists, and according to their supporters and family its the childrens fault because they are slags..

These guys should be locked up for a long time. A mistrial seems to be their best bet Robinson is helping with that.

Here's his video https://youtu.be/dE4Q8c_Pm5c

Captain Obvious · 27-05-2018 3:01pm

JohnMc1 wrote: »

You couldn't stump a wooden log. You're post was and worthless. Where did I say I that? Prove it or shut the **** up.

Right here

JohnMc1 wrote: »

If protections weren't put in place to protect the children [special entrance,etc] then that's the British Police and Court's fault. Not Tommy Robinson.

Grayson · 27-05-2018 3:02pm

Ramin Djawadi wrote: »

Why is tommy different from the hundreds who turned up daily to shout abuse at Rolf Harris when he was in court?

Were they there because they hated australians?

Its all alt right · 27-05-2018 3:03pm

Ramin Djawadi wrote: »

Why is tommy different from the hundreds who turned up daily to shout abuse at Rolf Harris when he was in court?

Well that's the question really. I just can't imagine there is a system in place that could make mistrials so easy to bring about. Maybe I'm missing somthing here..

Captain Obvious · 27-05-2018 3:05pm

20Cent wrote: »

These guys should be locked up for a long time. A mistrial seems to be their best bet Robinson is helping with that.

Here's his video https://youtu.be/dE4Q8c_Pm5c

That explains the breach of the peace arrest.

thebull85 · 27-05-2018 3:05pm

20Cent wrote: »

These guys should be locked up for a long time. A mistrial seems to be their best bet Robinson is helping with that.

Here's his video https://youtu.be/dE4Q8c_Pm5c

Seen this video last year, what is the problem here?

Grayson · 27-05-2018 3:06pm

JohnMc1 wrote: »

That would take some actual courage on their part to stand up against Islam. Better to stick to easier targets like White Men and Air Conditioning.

So you hate muslims, feminists and you think police are fascists. If you could say something about jews or a media conspiracy I'd win the right wing bingo.

BTW, you never did say if you thought it was the polices fault for not putting a second entrance in place to protect the victims from Tommy Robinson.

20Cent · 27-05-2018 3:07pm

Captain Obvious wrote: »

That explains the breach of the peace arrest.

Thats thw video that got him a suspended sentencea year ago. He was told not to do ot again as a condition of the suspension. He did it again so is now in jail. He's not the smartest of people.

A Pint of Goo · 27-05-2018 3:09pm

Grayson wrote: »

So you hate muslims, feminists and you think police are fascists. If you could say something about jews or a media conspiracy I'd win the right wing bingo.

BTW, you never did say if you thought it was the polices fault for not putting a second entrance in place to protect the victims from Tommy Robinson.

Well he has a point. Where are the feminists? Why don't they care?

Captain Obvious · 27-05-2018 3:09pm

Yeah but if that's the way he acts outside courts it's not surprising he had a suspended sentence already and why they arrested him this time before he acted the same again.

thebull85 · 27-05-2018 3:09pm

If it means so much to the courts to keep these guys identity a secret then why arent they brought in by a police escort through a back door?

Captain Obvious · 27-05-2018 3:10pm

thebull85 wrote: »

If it means so much to the courts to keep these guys identity a secret then why arent they brought in by a police escort through a back door?

Because they expect people to obey court orders in relation to identifying them. And they weren't in custody either were they?

JohnMc1 · 27-05-2018 3:13pm

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Right here

Are you stupid? NO don't answer. I already know that you are. You've proven it plenty of times. That statement does not suggest a support for a mistrial.

thebull85 · 27-05-2018 3:13pm

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Because they expect people to obey court orders in relation to identifying them. And they weren't in custody either were they?

They expect people not to want to know the identity of rapists living among them? Really?

Grayson · 27-05-2018 3:15pm

20Cent wrote: »

Thats thw video that got him a suspended sentencea year ago. He was told not to do ot again as a condition of the suspension. He did it again so is now in jail. He's not the smartest of people.

Or else he just wants the attention. He broke the law twice and now he's a martyr to the right wing cause. Look at the way people are defending him here. Even though he knew what would happen he still portrays himself as a victim.

Plus there's all the conspiracy stuff. The police were out to get him etc... He was there for a fcuking hour before they arrested him. It's not like they were lying in wait. All the idiots on twitter saying there was a reporting ban and no-one allowed say he was arrested. Despite the fact that if you google it there's loads of stories. Right wingers love to feel victimised.

Grayson · 27-05-2018 3:17pm

Ramin Djawadi wrote: »

Media black out in UK on his arrest is the BIG story posters are skipping over
How many others have been locked up in secret?

I'm going to put this in block caps so maybe you'll read it.

"THERE'S NO MEDIA BLACKOUT"

Google it. There's loads of stories. there's links to them on this thread. It's easily available information. And there's loads that are in the UK media. The OP even put one in his post.

Edit: the post and poster appears to be gone now. So I guess he's been banned a rereg.

thebull85 · 27-05-2018 3:18pm

Grayson wrote: »

Or else he just wants the attention. He broke the law twice and now he's a martyr to the right wing cause. Look at the way people are defending him here. Even though he knew what would happen he still portrays himself as a victim.

Plus there's all the conspiracy stuff. The police were out to get him etc... He was there for a fcuking hour before they arrested him. It's not like they were lying in wait. All the idiots on twitter saying there was a reporting ban and no-one allowed say he was arrested. Despite the fact that if you google it there's loads of stories. Right wingers love to feel victimised.

There has also been a load of news outlets than ran the story of the arrest and then got rid of quite quickly. Last i heard even breitbart were not reporting on it ffs

Captain Obvious · 27-05-2018 3:19pm

JohnMc1 wrote: »

Are you stupid? NO don't answer. I already know that you are. You've proven it plenty of times. That statement does not suggest a support for a mistrial.

You didn't specify what you wanted proof of. Your continued defence of actions that would jeopardise a trial is the evidence that you don't care if the trial is successful or not.

thebull85 wrote: »

They expect people not to want to know the identity of rapists living among them? Really?

They expect people to obey the legal restrictions which have been established to ensure a fair trial.

Also media blackout?

Grayson · 27-05-2018 3:20pm

thebull85 wrote: »

There has also been a load of news outlets than ran the story of the arrest and then got rid of quite quickly. Last i heard even breitbart were not reporting on it ffs

The stories are all still there. You can just google them. None of the links that were put up here have gone dead. And one of the stories I linked to was from last night.

I'd say there's been a slowdown because there's not much to say until he's arraigned.

pitifulgod · 27-05-2018 3:21pm

JohnMc1 wrote: »

If that is all it takes to cause a mistrial then the British Justice System is in a sad state of affairs.

JohnMc1 wrote: »

Where did I say that? I said that if that's all it takes to cause a mistrail than the British Justice System is in a sad state of affairs.

External influences on a jury can cause mistrials anywhere with a high quality justice system. Ireland, the US, UK etc. It's pretty fundamental to the judicial system.

Call Me Jimmy · 27-05-2018 3:27pm

pitifulgod wrote: »

External influences on a jury can cause mistrials anywhere with a high quality justice system. Ireland, the US, UK etc. It's pretty fundamental to the judicial system.

Are there jurors in this trial? And there is a gag order.

thebull85 · 27-05-2018 3:29pm

Captain Obvious you are probably correct about there being no media blackout.

But on Friday after it happened there were articles up online on about 4 different sites that got pulled for whatever reason.

seachto7 · 27-05-2018 3:34pm

Fair play to him showing up outside court. Saw that 2017 video before and liked the “go on , do something then”. No they won’t because they are cowards.
More people should be protesting at these court hearings.

pitifulgod · 27-05-2018 3:35pm

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

Are there jurors in this trial? And there is a gag order.

I'm referring to the trial he disrupted. Here's the judge's statement.... He was negatively affecting the judicial process and the rules are there for a reason.

“This is not about free speech, not about the freedom of the press, nor about legitimate journalism, and not about political correctness,” the judge told Robinson at the time

“It is about justice and ensuring that a trial can be carried out justly and fairly, it’s about being innocent until proven guilty.

“It is about preserving the integrity of the jury to continue without people being intimidated or being affected by irresponsible and inaccurate ‘reporting’, if that’s what it was.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/tommy-robinson-arrested-leeds-court-child-grooming-trial-edl-founder-latest-a8368821.html

thebull85 · 27-05-2018 3:37pm

seachto7 wrote: »

Fair play to him showing up outside court. Saw that 2017 video before and liked the “go on , do something then”. No they won’t because they are cowards.
More people should be protesting at these court hearings.

Same as the scumbag yesterday, running away from Tommy then when he got about 20 feet away start giving it the big i am.

They are known for being cowards.

Call Me Jimmy · 27-05-2018 3:39pm

Ah brainfart. Yea I'm a bit torn. it is stupid in that it could give defendants a slim possibility of appealing (although after being convicted I don't know how this could be argued). But I do think there is some weirdness going on the UK.

Grayson · 27-05-2018 3:39pm

seachto7 wrote: »

Fair play to him showing up outside court. Saw that 2017 video before and liked the “go on , do something then”. No they won’t because they are cowards.
More people should be protesting at these court hearings.

Not punching someone outside a courthouse is cowardice?

Now because the guy is behind a mask I can't say who he is so I have no idea if he did something horrific. There's a good chance that he's a complete bastard and he was found guilty of horrible crimes. However I do have to argue with the logic that someone is a coward because they won't attack someone who's taunting them outside a courthouse. And if we flip it on it's head it makes no sense. That would mean that someone who punches someone outside a courthouse is brave.

And no, I'm not defending a rapist. If that guy was one he's scum and deserves to be in jail. I'm just pointing out that your logic makes no sense.

thebull85 · 27-05-2018 3:42pm

Grayson wrote: »

Not punching someone outside a courthouse is cowardice?

Now because the guy is behind a mask I can't say who he is so I have no idea if he did something horrific. There's a good chance that he's a complete bastard and he was found guilty of horrible crimes. However I do have to argue with the logic that someone is a coward because they won't attack someone who's taunting them outside a courthouse. And if we flip it on it's head it makes no sense. That would mean that someone who punches someone outside a courthouse is brave.

And no, I'm not defending a rapist. If that guy was one he's scum and deserves to be in jail. I'm just pointing out that your logic makes no sense.

well he went to put it on tommy and when tommy stood up to him he backed off. Thats a coward, Trying to intimidate and failing.

Grayson · 27-05-2018 3:43pm

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

Ah brainfart. Yea I'm a bit torn. it is stupid in that it could give defendants a slim possibility of appealing (although after being convicted I don't know how this could be argued). But I do think there is some weirdness going on the UK.

In most countries they have strict rules about what can and can't happen in a court case. Jurors for example aren't allowed watch news about the case it a lot of places. It's designed to make sure they are impartial. In some high profile cases they'll even put the jury into a hotel. Having someone outside the court approaching them could be considered contempt if it taints their view.

Here's the thing though. I haven't heard of a case like this recently where people have gotten off. The justice system may have been slow to react but no-one can say that the court system isn't working. These people are going to trial and being found guilty.

So it's weird that right wingers would protest about a system that's actually working and jailing rapists.

deco nate · 27-05-2018 3:44pm

The ban on reporting on his case is in force until the case against the pedophiles has concluded...

Call Me Jimmy · 27-05-2018 3:45pm

deco nate wrote: »

The ban on reporting on his case is in force until the case against the pedophiles has concluded...

Which is insane in anyone's book surely? Can someone justify that?

deco nate · 27-05-2018 3:51pm

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

Which is insane in anyone's book surely? Can someone justify that?

Apparently he's locked up for 13 months now the papers can't report on it

Grayson · 27-05-2018 3:56pm

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

Which is insane in anyone's book surely? Can someone justify that?

That's a catch 22 question to ask. The reason the ban is in place according to that document, assuming it's real (where did it come from), is to protect an ongoing case. It would have to be because of a piece of information that, if disclosed, could prejudiced the ongoing abuse case.
However you're asking people to say exactly why. People can't since it's currently protected information. You're asking people to answer a question that's currently impossible to answer.

Edit: I've tried for a couple of minutes to find a similar doc online and I can't. However the few court documents I found have a letterhead with a crest and/or a stamp. Not saying it's not real, it's just that there have been so many lies flying about on twitter, and even a few here, that I'm taking some of this stuff with a pinch of salt.

Call Me Jimmy · 27-05-2018 4:10pm

Grayson wrote: »

That's a catch 22 question to ask. The reason the ban is in place according to that document, assuming it's real (where did it come from), is to protect an ongoing case. It would have to be because of a piece of information that, if disclosed, could prejudiced the ongoing abuse case.
However you're asking people to say exactly why. People can't since it's currently protected information. You're asking people to answer a question that's currently impossible to answer.

Edit: I've tried for a couple of minutes to find a similar doc online and I can't. However the few court documents I found have a letterhead with a crest and/or a stamp. Not saying it's not real, it's just that there have been so many lies flying about on twitter, and even a few here, that I'm taking some of this stuff with a pinch of salt.

Fair enough. That is the problem, it is hard to find solid information. My ears go up when I hear of someone being sent to jail (for whatever reason) and there is a gag order. There has been other fruity things the UK has been doing recently which means I'm not just looking at this in isolation.

JohnMc1 · 27-05-2018 4:21pm

Captain Obvious wrote: »

You didn't specify what you wanted proof of.

You just wanted to run your ignorant mouth again.

deco nate · 27-05-2018 4:26pm

Full stream that got Tommy 13 months.
Make your own minds up

https://youtu.be/TTdJaHWvLbk

Grayson · 27-05-2018 4:31pm

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

Fair enough. That is the problem, it is hard to find solid information. My ears go up when I hear of someone being sent to jail (for whatever reason) and there is a gag order. There has been other fruity things the UK has been doing recently which means I'm not just looking at this in isolation.

If by midway through next week there's no proper news I'll think that it was probably a gag order. On a Sunday though, when he was arrested on a Friday afternoon, I'm not 100% sure.

Grayson · 27-05-2018 4:35pm

deco nate wrote: »

Full stream that got Tommy 13 months.
Make your own minds up

https://youtu.be/TTdJaHWvLbk

Jaysus, that's an hour long. Don't suppose you have a transcript?
(semi serious. I could read that in 10 minutes. However I don't want to spend an hour on a Sunday evening listening to that)

seachto7 · 27-05-2018 4:54pm

Grayson wrote: »

Not punching someone outside a courthouse is cowardice?

Now because the guy is behind a mask I can't say who he is so I have no idea if he did something horrific. There's a good chance that he's a complete bastard and he was found guilty of horrible crimes. However I do have to argue with the logic that someone is a coward because they won't attack someone who's taunting them outside a courthouse. And if we flip it on it's head it makes no sense. That would mean that someone who punches someone outside a courthouse is brave.

And no, I'm not defending a rapist. If that guy was one he's scum and deserves to be in jail. I'm just pointing out that your logic makes no sense.

He was all mouth and shapes until he was asked to “do something”. Ran off like a rat.

deco nate · 27-05-2018 5:57pm

Grayson wrote: »

Jaysus, that's an hour long. Don't suppose you have a transcript?
(semi serious. I could read that in 10 minutes. However I don't want to spend an hour on a Sunday evening listening to that)

Lol. No I don't, but breach of the peace looks like a stretch. Just finished watching it myself. He puts out some stats about grooming gangs, facts that 90 per cent of pedophiles are white, and goes into the stats of Muslim grooming gangs vs white grooming gangs.

Edit:he called them alleged pedophiles, was respectful of people walking into court and not videoing them. He did ask a couple of the accused questions. They told him to do something to his mum. Lots of people asking for selfies. Ect

Snake Plisken · 27-05-2018 7:21pm

Tommy is stitched up by the cops and his leg is in danger from the Muslim gangs in the prison he is in. He needs to be kept in solitary confinement for his own safety

Captain Obvious · 27-05-2018 7:32pm

deco nate wrote: »

Lol. No I don't, but breach of the peace looks like a stretch. Just finished watching it myself. He puts out some stats about grooming gangs, facts that 90 per cent of pedophiles are white, and goes into the stats of Muslim grooming gangs vs white grooming gangs.

Edit:he called them alleged pedophiles, was respectful of people walking into court and not videoing them. He did ask a couple of the accused questions. They told him to do something to his mum. Lots of people asking for selfies. Ect

An arrest can be made for breach of the peace were the police believe a breach has occurred or will occur. It sounds like he was arrested for the latter based on his previous actions which were shown in the video above.

Snake Plisken wrote: »

Tommy is stitched up by the cops and his leg is in danger from the Muslim gangs in the prison he is in. He needs to be kept in solitary confinement for his own safety

That was a good episode of Oz

deco nate · 27-05-2018 7:47pm

Captain Obvious wrote: »

An arrest can be made for breach of the peace were the police believe a breach has occurred or will occur. It sounds like he was arrested for the latter based on his previous actions which were shown in the video above.

That was a good episode of Oz

Did you watch the full video I posted?he even referred to his suspended sentence, he was going by the book so as not to be arrested. Or are you talking about the year old video?

Sand · 27-05-2018 7:50pm

You have to hand it to the UK police. They're very good at silencing political dissent. Not so good at protecting British children from grooming gangs.

Captain Obvious · 27-05-2018 7:55pm

deco nate wrote: »

Did you watch the full video I posted?he even referred to his suspended sentence, he was going by the book so as not to be arrested. Or are you talking about the year old video?

You can be arrested for breach of the peace if your actions are likely to cause a breach of the peace. There is evidence, in the video from last year, that his actions outside the court are likely to occasion a breach of the peace.

WinnyThePoo · 27-05-2018 7:55pm

Sand wrote: »

You have to hand it to the UK police. They're very good at silencing political dissent. Not so good at protecting British children from grooming gangs.

So your looking for a mistrial?

thebull85 · 27-05-2018 7:56pm

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

So your looking for a mistrial?

Why would there be a mistrial?

Tommy Robinson jailed

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