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11 yr/old drag kid worshiped within LGBTQ community (Mod warning op)

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    #2462
    CinemaGuy45
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭CinemaGuy45


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    Joey, can you change your user name to Woke Bro?

    I see my post in which I pointed out what he said in another thread was quietly removed.

    He is an embarrassment for boards but instead of deal with the problem it seems the mods have circled the wagons.


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    #2463
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    CinemaGuy45 wrote: »
    I see my post in which I pointed out what he said in another thread was quietly removed.

    He is an embarrassment for boards but instead of deal with the problem it seems the mods have circled the wagons.
    yes there is a fair amount of that but you can't discuss it here, dirty laundry must be aired in the feedback forum.


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    #2464
    CinemaGuy45
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭CinemaGuy45


    Vaughn Old-fashioned Superpower wrote: »
    Personally don’t care what a person does to their own body as long as their choices have no impact on my life (as in, I will not share a bathroom with a male, irregardless of what he feels he is) but they can fuuck right off when it comes to children. They don’t get to push themselves or their fantasies or their agenda on children, and how dare they try make the rest of society feel bad about protecting children. The whole phobe I am is paedophobe and I don’t care if you identify as a snow leopard, you have no right over anyone else.

    Vile post how dare you challenge my right to identify as a Great White Shark.:p


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    #2465
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    Penn wrote: »
    Regardless though, f*ck Graham Linehan. Just a general statement.

    He doesn’t come across great a lot of the time. But I still believe he will be vindicated as a early voice of reason (sometimes) where others doubled down or stayed silent. Credit also to Robert Webb, Jonathan Ross (who gets dismissed because of Sachs-gate :rolleyes:), JK Rowling and Ricky Gervais for pointing out the conflict between trans rights and women’s sex-based rights. Both Linehan and Webb have lost work over it. Rowling is still batting away accusations of transphobia and she has all my admiration for not capitulating. I think she recognises that she is successful and beloved enough to not need to and maybe also recognises that people listen to her and hold her in high esteem. I’m glad she has used her platform in this way.


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    #2466
    TheValeyard
    Registered Users Posts: 12,224 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    CinemaGuy45 wrote: »
    Vile post how dare you challenge my right to identify as a Great White Shark.:p

    Wasn't that the plotline or something similar to Sharks Tale? :D

    Fcuk Putin. Glory to Ukraine!



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    #2467
    CinemaGuy45
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭CinemaGuy45


    TheValeyard wrote: »
    Wasn't that the plotline or something similar to Sharks Tale? :D

    I think the Shark in that one did not like eating meat however it was a bit of a double meaning.:D

    Great film.


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    #2468
    Dave0301
    Registered Users Posts: 2,473 ✭✭✭Dave0301


    Gendered Intelligence would like to teach your child about the LGBTQ+ community...but can only do so if your child is half naked in a pool without you being there.

    Yeah. I don't see why they have to be topless and in a swimming pool. They lost me there.

    Anyone trying to defend that needs their head examined.


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    #2469
    [Deleted User]
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    Penn wrote: »
    It really doesn't have to be an either/or scenario. They can have swimming classes for trans children. They can have swimming classes for trans adults. They just don't have to be at the same time.

    They could have the classes for trans children, where they're accompanied by parents. They could have the classes for trans adults where it's restricted access so the trans adults don't have to be self-conscious about cisgender people being around. Even if the group can't afford to run more classes, they said it's going to be twice a month, so do one class for each group per month instead.

    I am strongly pro-trans rights. But at best, things like this are stupid decisions made by stupid people for stupid reasons, and are completely tone-deaf to the reality of the situation, the perception it can give off, and are disregarding the standard child protection measures that should be in place for all groups involved with all children.

    Regardless though, f*ck Graham Linehan. Just a general statement.

    Imagine the kerfuffle around which changing rooms the mam's and the dad's can go into though....


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    #2470
    LLMMLL
    Registered Users Posts: 4,588 ✭✭✭LLMMLL


    The furore over this is pure nonsense.

    I don't see any forbidding of parents coming.

    There is no suggestion that it is a topless session. As a trans group they are obviosuly trying to avoid enforcing female swimsuits on children who identify as male. This is completely different to requiring that everyone go topless.

    Looking at their website they are a relatively long established (website goes back to 2009) group with a focus on trans issues not specifically related to children. I find it EXTREMELY unlikely that this group is a cover for paedophiles.

    But hey let's all believe a bunch of lies that it's a no parents topless session with breasts on display Run by a group of paedophiles.


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    #2471
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users Posts: 11,758 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    LLMMLL wrote: »
    The furore over this is pure nonsense.

    I don't see any forbidding of parents coming.

    There is no suggestion that it is a topless session. As a trans group they are obviosuly trying to avoid enforcing female swimsuits on children who identify as male. This is completely different to requiring that everyone go topless.

    Looking at their website they are a relatively long established (website goes back to 2009) group with a focus on trans issues not specifically related to children. I find it EXTREMELY unlikely that this group is a cover for paedophiles.

    But hey let's all believe a bunch of lies that it's a no parents topless session with breasts on display Run by a group of paedophiles.

    Would you think that kind of activity would be a good activity for Catholic priests to teach kids about religion? I think not.


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    #2472
    LLMMLL
    Registered Users Posts: 4,588 ✭✭✭LLMMLL


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    Would you think that kind of activity would be a good activity for Catholic priests to teach kids about religion? I think not.

    Interesting that Catholic priests are your go to comparison.

    Does the trans community have a scandalous history of hiding child abusers, The worst child abusers scandal in recent memory?

    Ye can crow all ye want that you can't raise your concerns without risking being called prejudiced. But if your only argument is to compare a group of people to perpetrators of child abusers then you 100% are prejudiced.


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    #2473
    Tokyo
    Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,655 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tokyo


    CinemaGuy45 wrote: »
    He is an embarrassment for boards but instead of deal with the problem it seems the mods have circled the wagons.
    suicide_circus wrote: »
    yes there is a fair amount of that but you can't discuss it here, dirty laundry must be aired in the feedback forum.


    Mod: grow up, both of you. Take 24 hours away from the thread.


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    #2474
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    LLMMLL wrote: »
    There is no suggestion that it is a topless session. As a trans group they are obviosuly trying to avoid enforcing female swimsuits on children who identify as male. This is completely different to requiring that everyone go topless.

    Just step back and reread this sentence that you have written. Seriously.


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    #2475
    LLMMLL
    Registered Users Posts: 4,588 ✭✭✭LLMMLL


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    Just step back and reread this sentence that you have written. Seriously.

    I have. What about it?


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    #2476
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    I don't see the issue no - not when the three things I listed are there.

    Parental consent needed if you’re under 16.

    Changing rooms will be separated into children and adults.

    Large youth work team present.

    This is kinda like the paediatrician/paedophile thing to be honest where some people are pretty much finding child abuse where none exists.

    Is there any particular reason why you think it’s acceptable to exclude an 8 year olds parents from an activity?


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    #2477
    LLMMLL
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    splinter65 wrote: »
    Is there any particular reason why you think it’s acceptable to exclude an 8 year olds parents from an activity?

    There is no indication from the posting that parents are excluded. Just that parental consent is needed. My parents did not come to many summer camp/sports events that I took part in. Does that mean they were forbidden? That would be news to them.


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    #2478
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    LLMMLL wrote: »
    I have. What about it?

    Well, we are always hearing from trans rights activists that children thinking they are the opposite gender aren’t medicalised. “No surgery happens!” “Cross hormones aren’t given until they are no longer a minor!” That’s the mantra. So if that is true, then that means that any preteen girl or teenage girl who identifies as a boy still has the body they are born with. So in the presence of adults, they should be covering up their top half. Specifying that the bottom half should be covered throws up worrying questions. Those questions being “Why would that need to be specified?” and “What about the top half if there are anatomically intact girls there?”.


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    #2479
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    CinemaGuy45 wrote: »
    I don't have any children but as a child I was very shy.

    I feel sorry for any child left in that situation.

    No go on little CinemaGuy45. You’ll have a fun time. You’ll be with cool progressive forward thinking non homophobic people instead of backward old fashioned fuddy duddies. Go. All mummy and mummy’s friends who eat in the new vegan bistro are sending their kids. We don’t want to look bigoted in front of them....


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    #2480
    qo2cj1dsne8y4k
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    I’m no specialist on trans children but considering body changes at puberty can confuse and embarrass a lot of children and make children self conscious, would exposing themselves topless in the pool with strangers that are adults be not even more upsetting if they already feel uncomfortable in their body?


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    #2481
    LLMMLL
    Registered Users Posts: 4,588 ✭✭✭LLMMLL


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    Well, we are always hearing from trans rights activists that children thinking they are the opposite gender aren’t medicalised. “No surgery happens!” “Cross hormones aren’t given until they are no longer a minor!” That’s the mantra. So if that is true, then that means that any girl or teenager who identifies as a boy still has the body they are born with. So in the presence of adults, they should be covering up their top half. Specifying that the bottom half should be covered throws up worrying questions. Those questions being “Why would that need to be specified?” and “What about the top half if there are anatomically intact girls there?”.

    8 year olds have breasts?

    There is just no way to know what the situation is just because they haven't specified. I've never heard that it is a mantra among trans activists that teen children don't take hormone suppressants. I imagine in any trans groups of children and teens there would be many different situations. Some teens who identify as male might have breasts. Others mightn't. Non teens will not have breasts regardless.

    You have absolutely zero idea what the policy is. Implying paedophilia based on that is just astoundingly ridiculous.


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    #2482
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    LLMMLL wrote: »
    There is no indication from the posting that parents are excluded. Just that parental consent is needed. My parents did not come to many summer camp/sports events that I took part in. Does that mean they were forbidden? That would be news to them.

    When you were 8 your parents dropped you off at train station to go to a swimming party they saw advertised at which they knew none of the adults? Cool.


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    #2483
    Soulred1
    Registered Users Posts: 1 ✭Soulred1


    There is no such thing as a transgender child.
    Body dysmorphia is always grown out of if you stop reinforcing it to suit your own needs.
    It's time for LGB to separate from the rest of the alphabet that's being attached.
    I'm a lesbian
    and none of this weird **** is in my name.


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    #2484
    LLMMLL
    Registered Users Posts: 4,588 ✭✭✭LLMMLL


    Vaughn Old-fashioned Superpower wrote: »
    I’m no specialist on trans children but considering body changes at puberty can confuse and embarrass a lot of children and make children self conscious, would exposing themselves topless in the pool with strangers that are adults be not even more upsetting if they already feel uncomfortable in their body?

    Where does it say everyone must go topless?


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    #2485
    LLMMLL
    Registered Users Posts: 4,588 ✭✭✭LLMMLL


    Soulred1 wrote: »
    There is no such thing as a transgender child.
    Body dysmorphia is always grown out of if you stop reinforcing it to suit your own needs.
    It's time for LGB to separate from the rest of the alphabet that's being attached.
    I'm a lesbian
    and none of this weird **** is in my name.

    Not true


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    #2486
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users Posts: 8,117 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    LLMMLL wrote: »
    There is no indication from the posting that parents are excluded. Just that parental consent is needed. My parents did not come to many summer camp/sports events that I took part in. Does that mean they were forbidden? That would be news to them.

    I said it was implied that parents are excluded not that it explicitly states that. There is mention of a drop off point which is a tube station. Also the wording just indicates to me that its assumed parents won't be present. Its unusual that a swimming class for kids as young as 8 would even have the option for drop off. Most require that parents attend.


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    #2487
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    LLMMLL wrote: »
    8 year olds have breasts?

    Well, firstly, the age group cited is 8-25. Only the last seven years of that grouping are adult ages. Secondly, my sister had sizeable breasts at 10. I got my first bra at 11. This isn’t actually that unusual. Your ignorance is staggering.
    There is just no way to know what the situation is just because they haven't specified. I've never heard that it is a mantra among trans activists that teen children don't take hormone suppressants. I imagine in any trans groups of children and teens there would be many different situations. Some teens who identify as male might have breasts. Others mightn't. Non teens will not have breasts regardless.

    Hormone suppression in teens and preteens is extremely alarming. There are no long term studies done on their effects and no ethical way to run a clinical trial. Children given puberty blockers are guinea pigs. And again, preteen girls can have breasts. I know this because I was one of them.

    Oh and trans rights activists do say that no cross hormones and surgery are given to minors. They say only puberty blockers are given. Because they’re totally fine of course. :rolleyes:


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    #2488
    LLMMLL
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    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    I said it was implied that parents are excluded not that it explicitly states that. There is mention of a drop off point which is a tube station. Also the wording just indicates to me that its assumed parents won't be present. Its unusual that a swimming class for kids as young as 8 would even have the option for drop off. Most require that parents attend.

    http://www.edenderryswimmingpool.ie/Swimming%20Pool%20Policy%20Regarding%20Swimming%20Lessons.pdf

    Really? I guess edenderry swimming pool is a cover group for paedophiles too.

    And the swim Ireland site states that parents are only required to accompany their children if the child is 4 or under.

    Paedos paedos everywhere.


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    #2489
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    LLMMLL wrote: »
    http://www.edenderryswimmingpool.ie/Swimming%20Pool%20Policy%20Regarding%20Swimming%20Lessons.pdf

    Really? I guess edenderry swimming pool is a cover group for paedophiles too.

    And the swim Ireland site states that parents are only required to accompany their children if the child is 4 or under.

    Paedos paedos everywhere.

    They tell parents to stay off the pool deck which makes sense for many reasons. I can’t see them telling parents to leave the gallery area. They acknowledge that some parents will be around.


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    #2490
    LLMMLL
    Registered Users Posts: 4,588 ✭✭✭LLMMLL


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    Well, firstly, the age group cited is 8-25. Only the last seven years of that grouping are adult ages. Secondly, my sister had sizeable breasts at 10. I got my first bra at 11. This isn’t actually that unusual. Your ignorance is staggering.

    So you think thr majority of 10 year olds have sizeable breasts?

    Either you are the ignorant one or you are trying to use the minority to prove the rule.

    Hormone suppression in teens and preteens is extremely alarming. There are no long term studies done on their effects and no ethical way to run a clinical trial. Children given puberty blockers are guinea pigs. And again, preteen girls can have breasts. I know this because I was one of them.

    Oh and trans rights activists do say that no cross hormones and surgery are given to minors. They say only puberty blockers are given. Because they’re totally fine of course. :rolleyes:

    This isn't a debate on the merits of medication for trans youths.

    Your argument was based on this notion that trans rights activists have a mantra that trans children don't receive medical treatments and therefore would have breasts. The implication being that either trans activists are lying or there would be exposed breasts at the pool.

    Now you are saying they get puberty blockers and you just meant cross hormones. Puberty blockers would.block breast growth. Your argument makes no sense.


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    #2491
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users Posts: 11,758 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    LLMMLL wrote: »
    Interesting that Catholic priests are your go to comparison.

    They are a good example to use actually. They were a group of people who were above society and could do what they wanted and some members of the trans movement believe they should be allowed to do what they want without question........so that's why I used the priests as an example.

    1950's Ireland - you can't question a priest's motives.
    2020's Ireland - you can't question a trans activist's motives.

    By the way, I'm not saying that trans activists are paedophiles. Nor am I saying that all priests are paedophiles either. But some are. And some trans activists are likely to be too.

    It's a child endangerment issue. You don't put children in vulnerable positions. I'm not saying that they would be abused if they went swimming with the trans group, I'm saying I don't want to ever put them in a position where they could be abused. I wouldn't want my kids going swimming with trans activists, catholic priests, the local snooker team....... I'm happy to let my kids go swimming with other kids, or with adults if I am there to supervise.
    Does the trans community have a scandalous history of hiding child abusers, The worst child abusers scandal in recent memory?

    The trans community are pretty new to the limelight, so I would say no. But time will tell. I'm sure there are dodgy members in the trans community, my workplace, my local snooker club etc.
    Ye can crow all ye want that you can't raise your concerns without risking being called prejudiced. But if your only argument is to compare a group of people to perpetrators of child abusers then you 100% are prejudiced.

    And you can crow all you like cheering for the endangerment of children.


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