11 yr/old drag kid worshiped within LGBTQ community (Mod warning op)

Brian? · 05-01-2019 10:58pm

Omackeral wrote: »

That auld tolerance takes it out of you! Sweet dreams of twerking kids pal.

You need to think about how you behave online. Insults and petty point scoring is all you’ve done and you finish with this. Well done.

Ultros · 05-01-2019 10:58pm

DontThankMe wrote: »

Yes I do, how do you know he hasn't been doing some kind of performance from an early age? and now he has been given the opportunity to perform for other people and potentially earn a living from it. You're assuming his parents are responsible for all of this yet you have no proof of this, why is it so hard for people to believe that this is what he wants to do and isn't being forced into doing it by his parents.

Must be on a windup, nobody can be this naive.

If your young child ran away from home, would you go look for him? Or would you accept that he's made a decision, at 7 years old or whatever it might be, that he wants to explore the world.

Kids aren't mentally mature enough to make important life decisions, you are delusional and indoctrinated to the point of no return if you believe otherwise.

The Talking Bread · 05-01-2019 10:59pm

Brian? wrote: »

I’m off to sleep. That’s what I think.

Nah, you will be bacjk in a few minutes. Loving the attention, you are.

Brian? · 05-01-2019 11:01pm

The Talking Bread wrote: »

Nah, you will be bacjk in a few minutes. Loving the attention, you are.

Night.

DontThankMe · 05-01-2019 11:01pm

Omackeral wrote: »

Actually, the first part is pretty much absolute fact. He's a child. He's twerking in front of adult customers. They are facts whether you or the questionable Brian like it or not. The second part about his folks letting him down is my opinion.

I did not see any twerking in the video linked in the OP he is jumping and walking no twerking at all so it's not an absolute fact.

Omackeral · 05-01-2019 11:01pm

Brian? wrote: »

You need to think about how you behave online. Insults and petty point scoring is all you’ve done and you finish with this. Well done.

I thought you were taking your ball and going home unless I said sorry. And then you were going to sleep.

Listen, you don't get to tell me how to behave. It's you that has the disturbing outlooks. You freely said on here that you've two sons under the age of 11 and you don't know if it would bother you if they danced for dollar bills in a room full of men in a nightclub. Yeah, it's me that needs to have a look at myself.

Dr_serious2 · 05-01-2019 11:02pm

Brian? wrote: »

Yes. You do sound outraged. The “sickening” at the end is a real give away.

Your opinion (that a young boy gyrating for the pleasure of grown men is normal and a result of normal parenting) is indeed sickening, and quite disturbing.

DontThankMe · 05-01-2019 11:04pm

Ultros wrote: »

Must be on a windup, nobody can be this naive.

If your young child ran away from home, would you go look for him? Or would you accept that he's made a decision, at 7 years old or whatever it might be, that he wants to explore the world.

Kids aren't mentally mature enough to make important life decisions, you are delusional and indoctrinated to the point of no return if you believe otherwise.

Yes of course I'd go look for him/her if they ran away. This is not the same situation I see no danger in what he is doing his mother was there to supervise him during his performance. Therefore, ensuring he was not in any danger during his performance.

erica74 · 05-01-2019 11:05pm

It's about time parents stopped this nonsense of "you can be whatever you want to be", that is simply not true. Cop the fuck on.

Omackeral wrote: »

Like Aliens, but with dreadlocks.

I needed that laugh after reading this thread:pac:

Brian? wrote: »

So why do you think a gay club is full of predators?

I think we can all agree that if it becomes common place for children like Desmond to perform in gay nightclubs filled with adults, which is predominantly where drag shows take place, then these clubs will be very attractive to predators. I didn't think that would need explaining, it is entirely obvious that that is what was meant by those comments.

tayto lover · 05-01-2019 11:07pm

DontThankMe wrote: »

Yes of course I'd go look for him/her if they ran away. This is not the same situation I see no danger in what he is doing his mother was there to supervise him during his performance. Therefore, ensuring he was not in any danger during his performance.

His mother has no morals obviously. Money mad I'd say.

Ultros · 05-01-2019 11:07pm

DontThankMe wrote: »

Yes of course I'd go look for him/her if they ran away. This is not the same situation I see no danger in what he is doing his mother was there to supervise him during his performance. Therefore, ensuring he was not in any danger during his performance.

So you'd be fine knowing a bunch of auld lads go home and jack off about your child son/daughter every time he/she "performs". I suppose the 1 dollar bills being thrown at him would soften it a bit.

Mod-Banned

DontThankMe · 05-01-2019 11:12pm

Ultros wrote: »

So you'd be fine knowing a bunch of auld lads go home and jack off about your child son/daughter every time he/she "performs". I suppose the 1 dollar bills being thrown at him would soften it a bit.

No I wouldn't be ok with that but you're assuming that some of the people that were there and watched the performance were going to go home and do that which is not what I believe.

sk8erboii · 05-01-2019 11:13pm

DS86DS wrote: »

Liberals never know when they've gone too far. They put ideological fanaticism above human life.

Like the Nazis?

Wibbs · 05-01-2019 11:14pm

Brian? wrote: »

What ideology? It’s a simple question. What ideology am I defending? I

"Progressive liberal" in the current sense of it.

Brian? wrote: »

I actually don’t think it intellectual cowardice to be honest. It’s intellectual ambivalence at worst. I don’t feel the need to take a moral stance on the issue.

If everyone in the world took your position then we wouldn't have equal rights for genders and sexualities and minorities or anyone. Irony of ironies. Though one I've found common.

Sir Oxman wrote: »

This is not in any way a part of 'gay culture'

As general Gay culture it isn't. However pederasty has a long history within Gay culture down the centuries. In the Ancient world the most common approved, even celebrated form was pederasty. So just as the Straight culture has had a long connection with older men and teen girls(commonest search word on porn sites), so Gay culture has had similar. Just because a man is Gay doesn't mean he's as unlikely or not to be into that sort of thing. Just like a Straight man.

It's one aspect that ticks me off about most groups seen as vulnerable to prejudice. On the one hand you have those still applying prejudice, on the other those who contend/believe the members of the vulnerable group are somehow without sin just because they belong to that group(and if they sin, often this is blamed on the overarching culture). I do understand the good intentions reasoning behind that, but it still grinds my gears, because it's bloody patronising to vulnerable groups and can even increase the bullshit they face.

The Pheasant2 wrote: »

Legislators are not some omniscient benevolent force - do some thinking for yourself for **** sake

Indeed P. Again this irony I noted above raises its head. Someone who thinks like this "it's the law, so OK" wouldn't have a problem with being Gay is a crime laws? Laws we had(and still have) on the books all over the world and well inside living memory. So if that wasn't OK as a law then how can you apply that argument to this case? You know better? If you grew up in 30's Germany you'd know better too, for the time and would almost certainly have been a tacit, if not active supporter of fascism. The stats bear this out. In any society true rebels who will stand up and be counted against the current cultural flow are incredibly rare.

Wibbs · 05-01-2019 11:16pm

sk8erboii wrote: »

Like the Nazis?

Like pretty much every culture and politic, anywhere and anywhen.

Twenty Grand · 05-01-2019 11:17pm

Dr_serious2 wrote: »

Your opinion (that a young boy gyrating for the pleasure of grown men is normal and a result of normal parenting) is indeed sickening, and quite disturbing.

Reminds me of those Afghan dancing boy videos.

Look, if your child wants to dress up and do whatever, that's fine.
But putting him on a stage in a sexual context and having videos online is wrong on so many levels.

This is going to follow him around for life.

gmisk · 05-01-2019 11:17pm

Bannasidhe wrote: »

WHAT?

Seriously, what are you talking about?

Some straight people are paedophiles. In fact, 95% of pedophiles are straight.

I responded the same but my post seems to have been deleted.

I don't agree with a child dancing about on a stage at 4am in club, it doesn't matter if its a gay bar or a straight one.... P#ss away off home! The parent(s) need to cop on and mind their bloody child.

I am a gay man BTW.

The Talking Bread · 05-01-2019 11:18pm

DontThankMe wrote: »

Yes of course I'd go look for him/her if they ran away. This is not the same situation I see no danger in what he is doing his mother was there to supervise him during his performance. Therefore, ensuring he was not in any danger during his performance.

A sexualised immature vulnerable kid
A very famous, to the point of being obsessed about at this stage, sexualised immature, vulnerable kid.

You don't see any potential dangers on the horizon for this child?

Not to mention the fragile mind this child being exposed to this type of attention at this age.
He was labelled by his parents as being gay at 3 years of age ffs.

Sweetemotion · 05-01-2019 11:22pm

Bannasidhe wrote: »

WHAT?

Seriously, what are you talking about?

Some straight people are paedophiles. In fact, 95% of pedophiles are straight.

Fact,100% of pedophiles are pedophiles.

Nothing to do with being straight or gay.

Wibbs · 05-01-2019 11:22pm

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Some straight people are paedophiles. In fact, 95% of pedophiles are straight.

Pretty much B. The data is naturally hard to collect, but yeah it seems of all sexualities/genders Gay men are statistically the safest to babysit kids. Straight men and women are much more of a threat.

Wibbs · 05-01-2019 11:25pm

gmisk wrote: »

I am a gay man BTW.

and like I noted earlier this nightclub gig was highlighted and disseminated first by a load of Gay lads who had been in the place on the night and who were processing large dollops of WTF did we just see.

cgcsb · 05-01-2019 11:26pm

DontThankMe wrote: »

He is undertaking a job as professional drag performer:

"The truth is, Desmond is a professional drag performer. No one forces him to perform, performing is what he loves to do and has always loved to do."

Correct me if I'm wrong as I have never seen a professional drag performance but, I believe it is the norm for the audience to throw money at the performer during their performance in the US. Therefore this is why the money is being thrown at him and I have no problem with it because it is what is usually done during a drag performance.

It would be simply not a done thing anywhere in Europe or Canada and I've been to a few. I would be shocked if it was commonly done in the US

gmisk · 05-01-2019 11:27pm

Wibbs wrote: »

and like I noted earlier this nightclub gig was highlighted and disseminated first by a load of Gay lads who had been in the place on the night and who were processing large dollops of WTF did we just see.

Apologies I havent read the whole thread, but glad to see the people seeing it were bemused as well.

nullzero · 05-01-2019 11:27pm

Wibbs wrote: »

and like I noted earlier this nightclub gig was highlighted and disseminated first by a load of Gay lads who had been in the place on the night and who were processing large dollops of WTF did we just see.

I'd say they were mortified by it.
The parents need to be hauled in front of a judge.

Bannasidhe · 05-01-2019 11:28pm

Sweetemotion wrote: »

Fact,100% of pedophiles are pedophiles.

Nothing to do with being straight or gay.

Yes.

I was going to go into that but I didn't really want to go into a complex (for some) discussion on paedophila and why it isn't really a simple binary straight/gay thing because their primary focus is on children. The gender of the child is a secondary concern to them.

DontThankMe · 05-01-2019 11:28pm

The Talking Bread wrote: »

A sexualised immature vulnerable kid
A very famous, to the point of being obsessed about at this stage, sexualised immature, vulnerable kid.

You don't see any potential dangers on the horizon for this child?

Not to mention the fragile mind this child being exposed to this type of attention at this age.
He was labelled by his parents as being gay at 3 years of age ffs.

I don't believe that he is being sexualised and I don't believe he is vulnerable. As for being immature I don't know the child personally so I couldn't say whether he is or isn't mature for his age. Therefore, I do not see any potential dangers on the horizon for him as long as his parents are there to supervise his performances.

Bannasidhe · 05-01-2019 11:30pm

Wibbs wrote: »

Pretty much B. The data is naturally hard to collect, but yeah it seems of all sexualities/genders Gay men are statistically the safest to babysit kids. Straight men and women are much more of a threat.

I tried to see if I could present some of the data in a simplified way but... yeah... beyond my abilities on a Saturday night.

05-01-2019 11:31pm

DontThankMe wrote: »

No I wouldn't be ok with that but you're assuming that some of the people that were there and watched the performance were going to go home and do that which is not what I believe.

Whether they go home & masturbate or not, whether it's a straight club or a gay club, it doesn't matter.
Sexualising a child is never right, neither is having an 11 year old perform in a club at 4am.

DontThankMe · 05-01-2019 11:32pm

bubblypop wrote: »

Whether they go home & masturbate or not, whether it's a straight club or a gay club, it doesn't matter.
Sexualising a child is never right, neither is having an 11 year old perform in a club at 4am.

I don't think he is being sexualised he is doing want he wants to do and his parents are allowing him to do it. As for the time of the performance it is not ideal but as long as he's not doing it on a daily basis I don't see a problem with it.

gmisk · 05-01-2019 11:33pm

cgcsb wrote: »

It would be simply not a done thing anywhere in Europe or Canada and I've been to a few. I would be shocked if it was commonly done in the US

I have been to LA it is fairly common there.
Also saw in a few places in San Francisco.

Twenty Grand · 05-01-2019 11:34pm

DontThankMe wrote: »

I don't believe that he is being sexualised and I don't believe he is vulnerable. As for being immature I don't know the child personally so I couldn't say whether he is or isn't mature for his age. Therefore, I do not see any potential dangers on the horizon for him as long as his parents are there to supervise his performances.

You're putting a lot of trust in his parents to make the right choices.

I wouldn't put any faith in them.

Muckka · 05-01-2019 11:34pm

I'm new to board's, and I read this thread from start to finish.
It's shocking reading, I also read what the moderator said at the start, and it's gone the opposite direction, everything which was asked not to say was ignored.

Anyhow, I think society is gone mad if this is considered the norm, or acceptable.

There was some right funny one liners, nothing to discredit the young lad who's unfortunately being brought up by irresponsible parents.

Some here think it's ok have their lad doing this at home instead of a club.
While he'd be better off reading about Ants, planets or doing a scribble on a page.
The one's in the grey area are probably the worst.

Ok some of us are muckers, old school men and women who have good logical morality.

They say the truth will set you free, and the truth is no kid should be prancing around like a pixie and not being a boy doing boy's thing's.
To entertain a bunch of men in a drag club and dressed like Mary Poppins or postman pat, or Cinderella is like a scene from hell.

That's not what lads should be doing, home in bed and fast asleep is proper order.

This is wrong on every level, absolutely wrong.

I'm not going to get into it really, but from reading the moderator s warning it seems to say it all.

Don't mention this that and the other, basically don't upset the usually offended members.

You'll get the usual pattern of people who think it's tasteless and others who think it's ok in society, it's art, it's self expression.

I think it's tasteless, and shocking.
I see there's a few poster's thinking it's ok and nothing wrong with it.
It's quite unnerving actually.

Well if that's ok in their social spectrum, they're quite welcome to see their souroundings with whatever way they like.

A few have mentioned it is like the last day's of Rome, or society is gone mad.
And they're right.

This whole discussion should be deleted and anyone who is for this absolute adhorrent way of bringing up a kid, and being all correct are seriously in need of getting their reset button pushed.

I'm not religious but I read the book of revelations, and read philosophy book's, the ruination of civilization will be when everyone will be so mixed up about who they are,where they're from, what they are, how try are, where they're going, what brings them there.

Well judging by the way some people post on this subject they are in serious need of bowing their head's in shame.

But shameless is ok today because we're all equal.

We are not all equal.

05-01-2019 11:37pm

DontThankMe wrote: »

I don't think he is being sexualised he is doing want he wants to do and his parents are allowing him to do it. As for the time of the performance it is not ideal but as long as he's not doing it on a daily basis I don't see a problem with it.

So you think all children should be allowed to do whatever they wish?
Do you think twerking at a gay pride parade is sexual?

DontThankMe · 05-01-2019 11:38pm

Twenty Grand wrote: »

You're putting a lot of trust in his parents to make the right choices.

I wouldn't put any faith in them.

I believe they are making choices that have his best interests in mind. They are allowing him to do something that he wants to do rather than standing in his way. Therefore, I don't see anything wrong with what he is doing.

tayto lover · 05-01-2019 11:40pm

DontThankMe wrote: »

I don't think he is being sexualised he is doing want he wants to do and his parents are allowing him to do it. As for the time of the performance it is not ideal but as long as he's not doing it on a daily basis I don't see a problem with it.

Holy sh1t.???

Muckka · 05-01-2019 11:40pm

Bannasidhe wrote: »

WHAT?

Seriously, what are you talking about?

Some straight people are paedophiles. In fact, 95% of pedophiles are straight.

How in our good lord's name can you say 95% of paedos are straight.

A straight man isn't a paedo.

That's thin ice you're wobbling on there.

That makes me sick.

sk8erboii · 05-01-2019 11:41pm

Muckka wrote: »

.

A few have mentioned it is like the last day's of Rome
.

I hate this nonsensical rhetoric. Western rome was catholic when it fell. and in fact, pederasty (man-boy love) was common during the height of classical antiquity (about 800-700 years before rome fell)

I agree with your points. As someone who studied history as a minor in uni, i just really hate this stupid phrase lol

DontThankMe · 05-01-2019 11:41pm

bubblypop wrote: »

So you think all children should be allowed to do whatever they wish?
Do you think twerking at a gay pride parade is sexual?

No I don't think all children should be allowed to do whatever they want but, they should be allowed to do what they want within reason.

No I don't think it is sexual.

05-01-2019 11:42pm

DontThankMe wrote: »

I believe they are making choices that have his best interests in mind. They are allowing him to do something that he wants to do rather than standing in his way. Therefore, I don't see anything wrong with what he is doing.

If parents to an 11 year old girl allowed her to dance sexually, wear very skimpy clothes, all for the entertainment of grown men, you would be OK with that too?

05-01-2019 11:44pm

DontThankMe wrote: »

No I don't think it is sexual.

You don't think twerking & girating on the ground, wearing hot pants is sexual?
Really?

DontThankMe · 05-01-2019 11:46pm

bubblypop wrote: »

If parents to an 11 year old girl allowed her to dance sexually, wear very skimpy clothes, all for the entertainment of grown men, you would be OK with that too?

No because that would not be a legitimate performance we're not equating like for like a drag performance is not the same as a girl dancing sexually for an audience of grown men.

Muckka · 05-01-2019 11:47pm

sk8erboii wrote: »

I hate this nonsensical rhetoric. Western rome was catholic when it fell. and in fact, pederasty (man-boy love) was common during the height of classical antiquity (about 800-700 years before rome fell)

I agree with your points. As someone who studied history as a minor in uni, i just really hate this stupid phrase lol

Lol I think you know what I mean, but when society is so confused and fcked up you'd be wondering did some one throw the matrix into a blender and out came this....

I worked with a marine biologist in Galway bay, and he was doing a survey on crustaceans, he was looking into a container of lobster's, crawling all over the place.

He said Muckka looks like the Roman empire, watch themselves **** each other out of existence.....

I'm afraid that's probably how it's going.

Sexual nature is one of the most powerful human instinct, used for selfish sick agenda's it's game over.....

The Talking Bread · 05-01-2019 11:47pm

DontThankMe wrote: »

I don't believe that he is being sexualised and I don't believe he is vulnerable. Therefore, I do not see any potential dangers on the horizon for him as long as his parents are there to supervise his performances.

he's essentially being groomed into this sexualised lifestyle by his parents since he was 3, labelling him as gay before he entered playschool. . How could he even play with another 10yo kid who doesn't get all the adult stuff Desmond is into, what a drag artist is, some won't even understand the difference between gay and straight etc.
A disconnect has been introduced to where he'd no doubt prefer to be in the company of adults who 'get' his references and interests. Coaching a child to be so 'adult' at this young age is grooming.
It uproots him from his peers, those who he cognitively matches and who he can talk to on a level playing field. He's still a child with a child's cognition, except now he's completely vulnerable to the goodwill of the many adults around him, who need to be honourable enough to choose not to manipulate or exploit him.

He'll never reclaim that 10yo life that he should be living, and the adults around him will always have the upper hand. We're talking about the club scene too, which is sociopathic as all get-out. He's absolutely going to be exploited in his teens but he'll no doubt be convinced that he chose it.

His parents have introduced him to Michael Alig who has offered him career advice and mentored him.............. read up about Alig.............

The fact his mum runshis social media accounts and signs off as him is also disturbing, I mean she’s just shamelessly whoring him out and also writing all the captions as if she’s him, it is weird. And you say he has full control of all this...........

Bannasidhe · 05-01-2019 11:49pm

Muckka wrote: »

How in our good lord's name can you say 95% of paedos are straight.

A straight man isn't a paedo.

That's thin ice you're wobbling on there.

That makes me sick.

Try reading what has actually been said.

A poster said some gays are pedos.
I pointed out that 95% of paedolphiles are straight. Meaning 95% of the victims were assaulted by a member of the opposite gender. This is what the research shows.
I did simplify it.

There was then a brief discussion around the fact that in reality paedophiles are really neither but something else entirely which is complex to explain but to completely reduce it to it's most basic and simple level - gay and straight refer to peer to peer attraction (similar ages or adult to adult) ,while paedophiles are attracted to pre-pubescent children.

Noveight · 05-01-2019 11:50pm

DontThankMe wrote: »

No because that would not be a legitimate performance...

“Legitimate performance”

Your choice of words is nothing short of worrying.

marklazarcovic · 05-01-2019 11:52pm

Jumbo2018 wrote: »

So a young girl wearing very little and dancing in front of a crowd of men who are throwing money at her would be perfectly acceptable?

Honestly ,boy or girl if I happened to be somewhere and a 11 yr old kid was twerking wearing half nothing and grown adults started to Chuck notes at the kid to encourage more I'd fckin flip the lid and probably end up arrested for throwing punches, it's fckin depraved behavior end of story. He's not dancing and twerking for other 11 yr olds because that's not what 11 yr olds are supposed to be fcking doing.

Jesus Christ

Muckka · 05-01-2019 11:54pm

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Try reading what has actually been said.

A poster said some gays are pedos.
I pointed out that 95% of paedolphiles are straight. This is what the research shows.
I did simplify it.

There was then a brief discussion around the fact that in reality paedophiles are really neither but something else entirely which is complex to explain but to completely reduce it to it's most basic and simple level - gay and straight refer to peer to peer attraction (similar ages or adult to adult) ,while paedophiles are attracted to pre-pubescent children.

How can they be straight ?

It isn't straightening out my concern as to why you say 95% of paedos are straight.

That's not very helpful to anyone who considers themselves straight.

It's not a nice thing to say

Muckka · 05-01-2019 11:57pm

Noveight wrote: »

“Legitimate performance”

Your choice of words is nothing short of worrying.

You should read the whole thread you'd be shocked at the amount of people who are all for it, whether it's at home in private or in a club....

Myself and my partner read it, there's some funny one liners, which don't discredit the poor kid, but opened my eyes to how some people think it's A ok.

The one liners were slagging off the one's who are all for it.

enda1 · 06-01-2019 12:00am

Muckka wrote: »

How can they be straight ?

It isn't straightening out my concern as to why you say 95% of paedos are straight.

That's not very helpful to anyone who considers themselves straight.

It's not a nice thing to say

95% of paedos are straight does not mean that 95% of straight people are paedos!!

Omackeral · 06-01-2019 12:01am

DontThankMe wrote: »

No I don't think all children should be allowed to do whatever they want but, they should be allowed to do what they want within reason.

It's right there.

11 yr/old drag kid worshiped within LGBTQ community (Mod warning op)

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