Should nuts in school be banned for the small % who have "nut allergies"

v638sg7k1a92bx · 10-10-2019 10:21pm

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Do you honestly think that a parent is not well aware that they have to teach a child how to keep safe ? Of course they teach the child to avoid the allergen . Of course they will learn to look after themselves if they can

And as for administering an epi pen an anaphylaxis come upon you sometimes so fast that even an adult is often not capable of giving it alone . Within a very short space you are gasping for air , your tongue swells blocking the airway , your throat restricts and you legs buckle . You feel a dreadful sense of terror and imminent death
. So imagine this in a 5 year old child all because some adult cannot be arsed making sure this child is not put in danger from some kid bringing in nuts to school ?

Or some adult putting their child in danger by sending them to school.

khalessi · 10-10-2019 10:21pm

Alexandria Quick Doughnut wrote: »

The school can't ban nuts. They can only ask you to avoid giving your kids nuts.

What about the parents who signed their kids up to schools knowing there was no policy on nuts but chose to send them their anyway and wanted the rules changed after the fact. You can't have it both ways.

They can ban nuts same way they ban sweets. Most school have a nut policy as part of their healthy eating and medical polices. If they enrol their children they sign up to these policies and vegan children generally bring hummus for lunch with is not detrimental to children with peanut allergies

10-10-2019 10:44pm

Alexandria Quick Doughnut wrote: »

Really, have you read some of the responses on this thread?

"The whole world has to accommodate my needs and the needs of my children or I'll sue you"

Hi Alexandria Quick Doughnut. May I ask who you're quoting here ^^ . Thanks.

khalessi · 10-10-2019 10:47pm

Alexandria Quick Doughnut wrote: »

What about the parents who signed their kids up to schools knowing there was no policy on nuts but chose to send them their anyway and wanted the rules changed after the fact. You can't have it both ways.

I forgot to address this. Yes you can have it both ways as schools constantly review their policies and can implement a nut ban and healthy eating as they see fit to accommodate the health and safety of all their students and parents are free to withdraw their children if they wish.

And so far in my time not one parent withdrew a child as they all were happy to agree with the policy

v638sg7k1a92bx · 10-10-2019 11:17pm

khalessi wrote: »

They can ban nuts same way they ban sweets. Most school have a nut policy as part of their healthy eating and medical polices. If they enrol their children they sign up to these policies and vegan children generally bring hummus for lunch with is not detrimental to children with peanut allergies

So vegan kids eat hummus every day?

v638sg7k1a92bx · 10-10-2019 11:19pm

khalessi wrote: »

They can ban nuts same way they ban sweets. Most school have a nut policy as part of their healthy eating and medical polices. If they enrol their children they sign up to these policies and vegan children generally bring hummus for lunch with is not detrimental to children with peanut allergies

They should ban kids with fake nut allergies.

khalessi · 10-10-2019 11:29pm

Alexandria Quick Doughnut wrote: »

So vegan kids eat hummus every day?

Is that the best you could come back with. no worse then the kids with ham or veg sandwiches daily but I am sure their parents give them appropriate food which dies not involve nuts.

khalessi · 10-10-2019 11:31pm

Alexandria Quick Doughnut wrote: »

They should ban kids with fake nut allergies.

Could you tell me what a fake nut allergy is as no child in my school has a fake nut allergy however we do have about 15 with actual nut allergies.

Do you know many people who use their children to fake life threatening conditions as that is a medical condition called munchausen by proxy and needs treatment, please advise them of this

beejee · 10-10-2019 11:35pm

It would be as practical as banning pollen.

The sheer number of exposure possibilities is too great to account, especially when trusted to a majority population of children.

Nice idea, but completely impractical.

khalessi · 10-10-2019 11:36pm

beejee wrote: »

It would be as practical as banning pollen.

The sheer number of exposure possibilities is too great to account, especially when trusted to a majority population of children.

Nice idea, but completely impractical.

What is?

beejee · 10-10-2019 11:37pm

khalessi wrote: »

What is?

The flavour of lesser-seen scrotal-absent geese, should it be banned.

khalessi · 10-10-2019 11:39pm

beejee wrote: »

The flavour of lesser-seen scrotal-absent geese, should it be banned.

Ahh wrong thread for that, you need wildlife thread

beejee · 10-10-2019 11:40pm

khalessi wrote: »

Ahh wrong thread for that, you need wildlife thread

I don't think you know where you are. Read the threads title

khalessi · 10-10-2019 11:41pm

beejee wrote: »

I don't think you know where you are. Read the threads title

i did and you mentioned geese:D

v638sg7k1a92bx · 10-10-2019 11:41pm

khalessi wrote: »

Could you tell me what a fake nut allergy is as no child in my school has a fake nut allergy however we do have about 15 with actual nut allergies.

Do you know many people who use their children to fake life threatening conditions as that is a medical condition called munchausen by proxy and needs treatment, please advise them of this

Unless there are over 1000 kids in your school then 15 kids is statistically too high so more than likely there are a few self diagnoses in there.

khalessi · 10-10-2019 11:43pm

Alexandria Quick Doughnut wrote: »

Unless there are over 1000 kids in your school then 15 kids is statistically too high so more than likely there are a few self diagnoses in there.

I teach in a very large school and statistics don't account for people moving districts

v638sg7k1a92bx · 10-10-2019 11:43pm

beejee wrote: »

It would be as practical as banning pollen.

The sheer number of exposure possibilities is too great to account, especially when trusted to a majority population of children.

Nice idea, but completely impractical.

Thank you

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 10-10-2019 11:43pm

Alexandria Quick Doughnut wrote: »

Likewise, all you will be entitled to is "I'm sorry my child requires nuts as part of their vegan diet".

If your child wasn’t vegan, would you sacrifice their preferred dietary preferences to make a point? What if they don’t like nutty things?

beejee · 10-10-2019 11:44pm

Alexandria Quick Doughnut wrote: »

Unless there are over 1000 kids in your school then 15 kids is statistically too high so more than likely there are a few self diagnoses in there.

I've always wanted to talk with a goat statistics specialist. But I don't know what to say now.

v638sg7k1a92bx · 10-10-2019 11:44pm

khalessi wrote: »

I teach in a very large school and statistics don't account for people moving districts

I hope you’re not a maths or economics teacher

v638sg7k1a92bx · 10-10-2019 11:45pm

beejee wrote: »

I've always wanted to talk with a goat statistics specialist. But I don't know what to say now.

I thought we were still on geese

beejee · 10-10-2019 11:45pm

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

If your child wasn’t vegan, would you sacrifice their preferred dietary preferences to make a point? What if they don’t like nutty things?

Touche.

However, equally, if your vegan wasnt a child... Don't you think?

khalessi · 10-10-2019 11:46pm

Alexandria Quick Doughnut wrote: »

I hope you’re not a maths or economics teacher

Are you implying that people should not move their children in order to fit your narrow view. As I said I teach in a very large school perhaps I should have added a second very

and we successfully implement a nut ban which all the children and parents adhere to for the wellbeing of their children and their friends.

khalessi · 10-10-2019 11:48pm

Alexandria Quick Doughnut wrote: »

Unless there are over 1000 kids in your school then 15 kids is statistically too high so more than likely there are a few self diagnoses in there.

Oh to allay your worries they are all medically diagnosed and have epi pens, thank you for your concerns

beejee · 10-10-2019 11:50pm

Tickers wrote: »

I thought we were still on geese

I strongly belive I'm the only person atop several geese at this moment in ireland. An evening of a Thursday spent sitting on geese is not be missed, and is nothing to poo poo out of hand.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 10-10-2019 11:50pm

beejee wrote: »

It would be as practical as banning pollen.

The sheer number of exposure possibilities is too great to account, especially when trusted to a majority population of children.

Nice idea, but completely impractical.

Not everything can be controlled. But some things can be and should be.

v638sg7k1a92bx · 10-10-2019 11:51pm

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

If your child wasn’t vegan, would you sacrifice their preferred dietary preferences to make a point? What if they don’t like nutty things?

I mean, you’re a blatant WUM but you’re making yourself look silly, so I’m happy enough to ask you questions.

Your question doesn’t make any sense. “If my child wasn’t a vegan, something something, nut allergy, statistics”

khalessi · 10-10-2019 11:52pm

beejee wrote: »

It would be as practical as banning pollen.

The sheer number of exposure possibilities is too great to account, especially when trusted to a majority population of children.

Nice idea, but completely impractical.

Just to reply to this children sometimes are your best allies. They tell on each other, teacher Ticker brought peanuts to prove a point or ticker has choc spread on his lunch. Its usually the choc spread and the lunch is put back in the lunchbox parent rang and another lunch is sent to school

Has never been a problem

v638sg7k1a92bx · 10-10-2019 11:53pm

khalessi wrote: »

Just to reply to this children sometimes are your best allies. They tell on each other, teacher Ticker brought peanuts to prove a point or ticker has choc spread on his lunch. Its usually the choc spread and the lunch is put back in the lunchbox parent rang and another lunch is sent to school

Has never been a problem

Snitches get stitches

beejee · 10-10-2019 11:54pm

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Not everything can be controlled. But some things can be and should be.

For the edification of geese fanciers everywhere, may I introduce....the negligible sentence?

decky1 · 10-10-2019 11:55pm

At what stage did this Nut Allergy thing start? when i was in school 40+ kids to a class with 6 classes [Primary School] and not one of these kids had a nut allergy, maybe we were too busy enjoying our childhood and not stuck in front of the tele etc, maybe if the kids now got up and went out to play climb trees [oh no they might fall ] start acting like children again maybe this Nut Allergy might pass.

khalessi · 10-10-2019 11:55pm

Alexandria Quick Doughnut wrote: »

Snitches get stitches

Not is schools these days or are you encouraging children beating each other up. Is that how your mother rared ya? Would you like to talk about it? this is a safe zone

beejee · 10-10-2019 11:56pm

khalessi wrote: »

Just to reply to this children sometimes are your best allies. They tell on each other, teacher Ticker brought peanuts to prove a point or ticker has choc spread on his lunch. Its usually the choc spread and the lunch is put back in the lunchbox parent rang and another lunch is sent to school

Has never been a problem

Have you even seen Village of the Damned?

khalessi · 10-10-2019 11:56pm

beejee wrote: »

Have you even seen Village of the Damned?

Hilarious

ToddyDoody · 10-10-2019 11:57pm

I think there should be a quota to ensure people aren't taking the p*ss.

scamalert · 10-10-2019 11:57pm

khalessi wrote: »

Naturally a parent will teach a child with an allergy that nuts are dangerous and they learn quickly as do other children who are their friends.

This is a brief outline of what is done in a school. The parents meet with the principal, explain the situation and the school team come together to ensure that the childs needs are accomodated.

Information is shared among the staff about children with medical conditions so they know who to watch out for. this is regardless if it is an allergy or medical condition such as CF, nut allergy, egg allergy, another allergy, asthma, diabetes, epilepsy or any other condition that could affect the child in school. the parents can speak to the staff if they wish and medical experts have come into the school to speak to all staff about the relevant condition.

The children are also told of the importance of not bringing in certain foods to prevent a reaction. They are repeatedly told from Junior infants onward not to bring in the prohibited food and will either tell you themselves they have it or another child will. They are also encouraged not to swap lunches and a teacher is in the room as they eat watching and ensuring none of this happens.

An epi pen is kept in the office and in the class and the teacher brings with them on each school outing.

So wtf is the issue then here ? teachers informed school recognizes it, cant push it any harder on any other healthy kids to obide, as cross contamination will happen, maybe less in primary but come secondary child wont escape that. Ever been to colleges theres prob nut bits on every campus area.

one has to learn live around it, the earlier the better.

khalessi · 10-10-2019 11:59pm

beejee wrote: »

Have you even seen Village of the Damned?

Ill see you and raise you

Have you ever been in a class of 6-8 year olds:D:P Youll be told everything!!!

khaldrogo · 10-10-2019 11:59pm

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

Ok, dealing with this as genuine and not a poor effort at trolling.

Yes. Your child's desire for nuts is lovely, but does that give them the right to endanger the lives of other children?Children eat in classrooms where they are in exceptionally close contact (if your child ever had the misfortune to pick up nits, you'd realize just how close the contact is. They eat at their desks, so cross contamination for nuts and other allergies is huge.

I've seen a child use a lip balm with nut traces go from their normal selves to gasping for breath, swollen so much their eyes were closing and turning blue. Epi-pens aren't just handed out to randomers. they are prescription only and as well as being expensive, have a short shelf life. I think your attitude in the post above is dreadful.

So when are we banning lip balms???

v638sg7k1a92bx · 10-10-2019 11:59pm

khalessi wrote: »

Not is schools these days or are you encouraging children beating each other up. Is that how your mother rared ya? Would you like to talk about it? this is a safe zone

Is that what you teach kids these days? You’re building a rat shop here, a vessel of seagoing snitches.

khalessi · 11-10-2019 12:01am

scamalert wrote: »

So wtf is the issue then here ? teachers informed school recognizes it, cant push it any harder on any other healthy kids to obide, as cross contamination will happen, maybe less in primary but come secondary child wont escape that. Ever been to colleges theres prob nut bits on every campus area.

one has to learn live around it, the earlier the better.

In college the person with a nut allergy is an adult and better able to be their own advocate until then the teachers are parents in lieu during school time and advocate for them including banning nuts and nut products such as peanut butter from school

There is no issue apart from the kick up ye make here.

beejee · 11-10-2019 12:02am

decky1 wrote: »

At what stage did this Nut Allergy thing start? when i was in school 40+ kids to a class with 6 classes [Primary School] and not one of these kids had a nut allergy, maybe we were too busy enjoying our childhood and not stuck in front of the tele etc, maybe if the kids now got up and went out to play climb trees [oh no they might fall ] start acting like children again maybe this Nut Allergy might pass.

It's the hygiene hypothesis. If your fat little unterkinder spends all day in a hyper-controlled, unrealistic, unnatural environment, then the squat oxygen-stealers immune system has all the fortitude of melted cheddar.

With much irony, as is the case in nature often, the need to control the environment even more, leads to even more limp-wristed immunological response and malfunction.

And goose.

khalessi · 11-10-2019 12:03am

Alexandria Quick Doughnut wrote: »

Is that what you teach kids these days? You’re building a rat shop here, a vessel of seagoing snitches.

You are hilarious. No we teach chldren that caring for others is important and caring for those who have medical needs is important hence all children know not to ring chocolate spread to school because it will be sent home.

But your earlier response of snitches get stitches tells me a lot about your **** stirring. Its fun

khalessi · 11-10-2019 12:04am

beejee wrote: »

It's the hygiene hypothesis. If your fat little unterkinder spends all day in a hyper-controlled, unrealistic, unnatural environment, then the squat oxygen-stealers immune system has all the fortitude of melted cheddar.

With much irony, as is the case in nature often, the need to control the environment even more, leads to even more limp-wristed immunological response and malfunction.

And goose.

However it occurred it is here now and heeds to be dealt with.

ixoy · 11-10-2019 12:04am

khalessi wrote: »

Generally it is a blanket ban on not putting nut spreads such as peanut butter or choc spread on sandwiches or sending nuts into school as they are the main offender.

The advantage of a blanket ban is that the affected kid's classmates isn't aware that one of their classmates has a medical condition, so they're also not singled out presumably.
The parents of the classmates will be aware generally because of parties, friends, etc.

khalessi · 11-10-2019 12:06am

ixoy wrote: »

The advantage of a blanket ban is that the affected kid's classmates isn't aware that one of their classmates has a medical condition, so they're also not singled out presumably.
The parents of the classmates will be aware generally because of parties, friends, etc.

Yes but generally all the classmates know as the child goes to their birthday parties. One of my sons classmates has a severe nut allergy and the kids will generally say Ixoy is coming so nothing with nuts. The kids keep the parents on their toes lol. when the child is at my sons parties I ask for the epi pen to be safe

beejee · 11-10-2019 12:07am

khalessi wrote: »

However it occurred it is here now and heeds to be dealt with.

How it occurred is the very reason not to repeat how it occurred

khalessi · 11-10-2019 12:08am

beejee wrote: »

How it occurred is the very reason not to repeat how it occurred

Hence the food was sent home and the parent rang to send another lunch, that kid didnt come in again with a choc lunch

khalessi · 11-10-2019 12:09am

beejee wrote: »

How it occurred is the very reason not to repeat how it occurred

Thought you were referring to something else lol Not banning nuts or nut products is not going to make it go away now it is here

beejee · 11-10-2019 12:26am

khalessi wrote: »

Thought you were reffering to something else lol Not banning nuts or nut products is not going to make it go away now it is here

The only sensible approach is to apply a thin coating of nut oil over every child's body, twice daily, eventually working up to a thick cement-like spread of Nutella and wheelies within a minimum of 5 weeks.

Thusly, the children will not only become non-allergic to nuts, they will actually become nut-dependant, thereby raising many people and trained monkeys out of poverty in the productive nut regions of Indonesia as demand increases, hence a result of increased fiscal and social responsibility toward endangered orangutans near the hinterland, who in turn are given the opportunities deemed necessary by mother nature to evolve the use of primitive tool utilisation, whose combined utility can be offered toward the failing ship-salvage industry of Paraguay, therefore expediting the more efficacious disposal of hazardous oxides, with the ultimate result of less environmental peculiarities giving rise to nut allergies in non-nutella-covered children.

See?

khalessi · 11-10-2019 12:28am

beejee wrote: »

The only sensible approach is to apply a thin coating of nut oil over every child's body, twice daily, eventually working up to a thick cement-like spread of Nutella and wheelies within a minimum of 5 weeks.

Thusly, the children will not only become non-allergic to nuts, they will actually become nut-dependant, thereby raising many people and trained monkeys out of poverty in the productive nut regions of Indonesia as demand increases, hence a result of increased fiscal and social responsibility toward endangered orangutans near the hinterland, who in turn are given the opportunities deemed necessary by mother nature to evolve the use of primitive tool utilisation, whose combined utility can be offered toward the failing ship-salvage industry of Paraguay, therefore expediting the more efficacious disposal of hazardous oxides, with the ultimate result of less environmental peculiarities giving rise to nut allergies in non-nutella-covered children.

See?

:pac::pac::pac:I'll put that to the Board of Management on your behalf, maybe it can come under SPHE

Should nuts in school be banned for the small % who have "nut allergies"

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