Should nuts in school be banned for the small % who have "nut allergies"

ceadaoin. · 09-10-2019 8:13pm

Hego Damask wrote: »

He's right though!

And Jonathan Haidt is right too ...

https://youtu.be/-iQmoe7Wygw

All these alergies are from parents mollycoddling their kids.
It's their fault they have the allergies, they should make sure the kids aren't exposed - not the school

So these kids shouldn't attend school and if they do then they should just accept the risk that they may have a reaction and die at any point, because eating nuts at school is a human right that can't possibly be denied to children. it's totally up to the parents to protect them. Sounds reasonable alright

Seriously, would you listen to yourself ffs

AlmightyCushion · 09-10-2019 8:13pm

If you banned nuts in my school, half the teachers would have to be sacked.

byhookorbycrook · 09-10-2019 8:14pm

Sour Lemonz wrote: »

My lack of children and lack of being an educator does not invalidate the points i have made. Your experience is just that, your experience, other people have different experiences, it does not make you more educated or wiser.

My 10 yo nephew has CF, actively tells his teachers about needing certain medications when eating and can't be in contact with other CF kids. I am agreed with alot of smart kids that can communicate these things, however based on ranges across different age groups and schools there is the possibility something could happen.

My experience is vastly more than yours, so there you go. You speak of a school you attended and your experience , so I can quote my far more extensive and up-to-date experience. Which is why those school needs to be nut free.

In our staff-room, children with allergies and other serious conditions are listed, with notes from their parents as to what to do/not do. Subs are given the relevant notes. It's not about "smart" kids (however you want to define that.) It's about children looking out for each other. You don't need a high academic IQ to be "smart" in this case, you need empathy for your peers. if you have a parent telling you that you can have whatever you want for lunch and feic that child who may actually die, then, your empathetic IQ is going to suffer.

cnocbui · 09-10-2019 8:15pm

If a child at a school has an allergy to eggs, should all egg products be banned?

CJhaughey · 09-10-2019 8:17pm

TheBoyConor wrote: »

So could you not eat peanuts at all then ever?

I read here that even the smell of a peanut can be fatal in severe cases? Is that true? Seems rather extreme that the smell of something could kill.

If you ate a peanut today and then, say tomorrow you touched your child's hand, could they die from the touch? like I mean even if you washed you hands thoroughly, could some allergen from the peanut go through your system and end up being in your sweat or skin oils and be transferred and be lethal to your son?

No, he isn't that allergic fortunately, but if we had peanut butter in the house and someone made a sandwich and didn't clean the knife then it could be an issue.
Some people have hypersensitive allergies and literally the dust off the peanuts could trigger a potentially fatal reaction.
Peanut oil doesn't contain much of the protein which seems to be most problematic for Peanut allergy sufferers.
Not saying its fine, obviously some could have a reaction, but for us its just not worth the risk having peanuts in the house.
We travelled with him when he was only about 4 yrs old, I remember the nice people behind us were trying to give him some peanuts!
Not out of malice but they were just unaware that he was peanut allergic.

byhookorbycrook · 09-10-2019 8:18pm

Sour Lemonz wrote: »

My 10 yo nephew has CF, actively tells his teachers about needing certain medications when eating and can't be in contact with other CF kids. I am agreed with alot of smart kids that can communicate these things, however based on ranges across different age groups and schools there is the possibility something could happen.

By your logic, the other children with CF and children with childhood illnesses should actively infect your nephew. I'm immuno-compromised. I know exactly how serious the most basic of infections can be.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 09-10-2019 8:18pm

cnocbui wrote: »

If a child at a school has an allergy to eggs, should all egg products be banned?

It would be more difficult but I don’t know if anyone would be crying over egg mayo sandwiches being kept from school, to be honest.

Nuts are just easier to ban. Anything reasonable that can be done probably should be.

Gatling · 09-10-2019 8:19pm

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

But you can take steps to minimise exposure as much as possible.

Only within the school possibly not completely they definitely cannot control what hundreds of families eat and touch outside of the school,

At my school we have hazelnuts trees in the hedgerows around the school id imagine that they would have to go due to a risk

whisky_galore · 09-10-2019 8:19pm

Where'd all these allergies come from?
Every Halloween there were heaps of monkey nuts fcuked at us and no one keeled over as a result.

byhookorbycrook · 09-10-2019 8:20pm

ted1 wrote: »

More people dies cussing the road this week than dies from nut allergies in the past 5 years. Should we ban crossing the road ?

Tell all the primary children to run out on the road,no high vis. no road safety training, no adult intervention. Let's see what happens.
OR, we could do what we could to stop them getting killed.

1hnr79jr65 · 09-10-2019 8:20pm

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

By your logic, the other children with CF and children with childhood illnesses should actively infect your nephew. I'm immuno-compromised. I know exactly how serious the most basic of infections can be.

Im talking about allergies being used against others, i never said immune issues could be used. I used that to reply to your point on discussion of issues they have with teachers, nice try with trying to twist what i said though.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 09-10-2019 8:21pm

Gatling wrote: »

Only within the school possibly not completely they definitely cannot control what hundreds of families eat and touch outside of the school,

At my school we have hazelnuts trees in the hedgerows around the school id imagine that they would have to go due to a risk

What school would even try to do that?

Talk about looking for things to get annoyed about.

road_high · 09-10-2019 8:22pm

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

And so was dyslexia, dyspraxia, asthma etc.etc.etc.

No we had asthma and dyslexia ! They’re actual problems

ldy4mxonucwsq6 · 09-10-2019 8:22pm

CJhaughey wrote: »

Sure and that's understandable people aren't asking for schools to be cleanrooms, they are just asking for parents not to send their kids to school with nuts.
It greatly reduces the risk,not eliminates it.
That's all that is being asked of parents in schools with nut free policies.

I definitely agree with the nut free policy, it must be so frightening to have to deal with a severe allergy.

I have had kids birthday parties where one of the children had a severe nut allergy (he didn't even have to ingest for a reaction) but we knew he was coming so just a small bit of planning ahead (which would be done anyway for a party) meant he could enjoy everything the same as all the other kids including birthday cake.

Much greater choice for 'free from' foods today which makes it easier but I think eating out must be risky for allergy sufferers.

I have a friend who is coeliac and can only eat in certain places that she knows are legit gluten free (she has discovered through trial and error).

Some places seem to think she's being faddy or fashionably gluten free and will tell her yeah it's gluten free when it's not strictly (cooked in the same oil as other foods or contains sauces with gluten etc), she ends up in agony for days afterwards with damage to her stomach and bowel etc along with other symptoms from the immune response.

Think it's great that other children in the class know about allergies and defend their pals in this regard. Its not much to ask for kids to leave the nuts for home time.

I did see some success for nut allergies with a slow exposure over time in a controlled medical environment, do you think maybe you might be able to try this in the future for your child?

CJhaughey · 09-10-2019 8:22pm

Something like 2.5-3% of the population has a nut allergy now. Its risen 5 fold since the mid-nineties which is probably why people think this is just a made up problem
There is a lot of confusion with intolerance and actual allergies.

People who complain about being allergic to something but are not at risk of Anaphylaxis are intolerant of the food.

People eating something which makes your throat swell up so you can't breathe and die are allergic.

cnocbui · 09-10-2019 8:22pm

whisky_galore wrote: »

Where'd all these allergies come from?
Every Halloween there were heaps of monkey nuts fcuked at us and no one keeled over as a result.

They come from precious parents actively avoiding exposing their children to peanuts early in life.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 09-10-2019 8:23pm

ted1 wrote: »

More people dies cussing the road this week than dies from nut allergies in the past 5 years. Should we ban crossing the road ?

Aren’t there ongoing efforts to stop people getting hit by cars? I didn’t know you could only be concerned about one thing at a time.

byhookorbycrook · 09-10-2019 8:23pm

cnocbui wrote: »

If a child at a school has an allergy to eggs, should all egg products be banned?

Yes.

road_high · 09-10-2019 8:23pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Actually it would be more down to not knowing what the medical issue was and recording the consequences as unknown.

Perhaps but can’t recall anyone almost dying for no reason/s

cnocbui · 09-10-2019 8:25pm

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

Yes.

I don't agree with you.

road_high · 09-10-2019 8:25pm

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Billions of Monkey nuts handed out at Halloween years ago

Nobody died

Lol that’s very true- junior infants 1988!!

weisses · 09-10-2019 8:26pm

Peanut allergy is so 2018

Think of the kid who will go into anaphylactic shock because of the smell of deodorant

byhookorbycrook · 09-10-2019 8:26pm

road_high wrote: »

No we had asthma and dyslexia ! They’re actual problems

And dying isn't?
When I started teaching in 89/into the 90s, there were no mentions of either. I knew about CF because a primary class mate died of it.

CJhaughey · 09-10-2019 8:27pm

Elora Wide Stack wrote: »

I did see some success for nut allergies with a slow exposure over time in a controlled medical environment, do you think maybe you might be able to try this in the future for your child?

That's the clinical trial he was in. He had a big reaction and couldn't continue.
He is 14 now. Its not really possible to do this in a controlled manner at home, its just too risky.
Lots of very bright people are working on this all the time so I anticipate that there will be a treatment sometime soon.

Princess Calla · 09-10-2019 8:27pm

cnocbui wrote: »

If a child at a school has an allergy to eggs, should all egg products be banned?

Our crèche is nut and egg free.

byhookorbycrook · 09-10-2019 8:29pm

cnocbui wrote: »

I don't agree with you.

Your prerogative, but if it were your child, you certainly would.

ceadaoin. · 09-10-2019 8:29pm

CJhaughey wrote: »

Something like 2.5-3% of the population has a nut allergy now. Its risen 5 fold since the mid-nineties which is probably why people think this is just a made up problem
There is a lot of confusion with intolerance and actual allergies.

People who complain about being allergic to something but are not at risk of Anaphylaxis are intolerant of the food.

People eating something which makes your throat swell up so you can't breathe and die are allergic.

From 2000 until fairly recently, women were advised to avoid peanuts and other common allergens during pregnancy and even breastfeeding, thinking that being exposed to them may cause allergies. Now it turns out that the opposite is true and exposure actually helps to prevent allergies. This bad advice probably accounts for a good proportion of the increase

Gatling · 09-10-2019 8:31pm

Princess Calla wrote: »

Our crèche is nut and egg free.

But it's not really inside your service rooms to a degree but a lot a kids will eat products which would contain nut or eggs ,

Declaration of a nut free or egg free environment doesn't amount to anything

byhookorbycrook · 09-10-2019 8:32pm

I'm truly amazed at the number of people here willing to put their child's desire to eat nuts at school above the life of someone else's child. I'm glad you aren't parents in our school. That's me over and out from this thread.

CJhaughey · 09-10-2019 8:32pm

cnocbui wrote: »

They come from precious parents actively avoiding exposing their children to peanuts early in life.

Not true, like I said my son was very young when he had his first attack. We ate peanuts all the time back then and it was only a trace on the knife that caused the reaction.
I don't know what we could have done to prevent this happening, believe me, If I could I would have done so.

iamwhoiam · 09-10-2019 8:32pm

road_high wrote: »

Lol that’s very true- junior infants 1988!!

Kids did die in 88 from anaphylaxis sadly . Try sitting in a room with parents of a dead child and watch their pain .
.

ldy4mxonucwsq6 · 09-10-2019 8:34pm

CJhaughey wrote: »

That's the clinical trial he was in. He had a big reaction and couldn't continue.
He is 14 now. Its not really possible to do this in a controlled manner at home, its just too risky.
Lots of very bright people are working on this all the time so I anticipate that there will be a treatment sometime soon.

Yes, way too dangerous to try at home, I saw it on Netflix it was 'The Peanut Problem' part of their Rotten series (which is very good by the way).

Yes, lots of people working on it given that its such a widespread allergy. Even the peanut growers themselves in that documentary were funding research into a cure.

v638sg7k1a92bx · 09-10-2019 8:34pm

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Grow up

I had an anaphylaxis and am only alive because I live 10 minutes from a major hospital . It is terrifying , stressfull and very traumatising . I wouldn’t wish it on any child. My god can people not live 8 hours without a blessed nut in their lunch box

So if you had a child with an allergy that lethal, why would you send them to school everyday where there is a high risk that they'll come into contact with some form of nuts?

ceadaoin. · 09-10-2019 8:36pm

Alexandria Quick Doughnut wrote: »

So if you had a child with an allergy that lethal, why would you send them to school everyday where there is a high risk that they'll come into contact with some form of nuts?

There isnt a high risk if the school is nut free though. Seems a pretty small sacrifice to make to allow a child to have an education and a relatively normal childhood

CJhaughey · 09-10-2019 8:36pm

Alexandria Quick Doughnut wrote: »

So if you had a child with an allergy that lethal, why would you send them to school everyday where there is a high risk that they'll come into contact with some form of nuts?

They said that they had an Anaphylactic attack, not their child.

Corkgirl18 · 09-10-2019 8:37pm

Our school is nut free.
Last year we received first aid training in how to use Epipens and Jextpens just in case we had to use them.
A few kids have airborne nut allergies so nuts are a big no-no.

Balmed Out · 09-10-2019 8:38pm

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

I'm truly amazed at the number of people here willing to put their child's desire to eat nuts at school above the life of someone else's child. I'm glad you aren't parents in our school. That's me over and out from this thread.

Optimistically I like to think some have inadvertently voted against banning. I nearly voted no as glancing at "the school, children and parents should accomodate" I presumed that was the option to not allow nuts in school

NIMAN · 09-10-2019 8:39pm

Yes.

It can be a matter of life and death.

If there are no known cases of kids with allergies at a school, then no reason why they wouldn't allow nuts.

But if there was one child at our school who had an allergy, I would totally agree with a blanket ban. My kids can eat nuts when they come home if they wanted them bad enough.

And I post that as someone who has an epipen prescription.

Princess Calla · 09-10-2019 8:39pm

cnocbui wrote: »

They come from precious parents actively avoiding exposing their children to peanuts early in life.

Yes let's introduce peanuts when we start the weaning journey, there will be no fear of developing an allergic reaction as they will already have chocked to death.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 09-10-2019 8:39pm

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

I'm truly amazed at the number of people here willing to put their child's desire to eat nuts at school above the life of someone else's child. I'm glad you aren't parents in our school. That's me over and out from this thread.

Some people just cannot empathise. I’ve actually met quite a few people like this is my life. They cannot see outside their own purview.

v638sg7k1a92bx · 09-10-2019 8:39pm

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Aren’t there ongoing efforts to stop people getting hit by cars? I didn’t know you could only be concerned about one thing at a time.

A much higher risk of getting hit by a car then dying of anawhatever shock as a percentage of the general population. Thousand of people have died from car accidents, people get into cars everyday. A more accurate analogy would be asking everybody in the office not to drive to work because one of the employees has an allergy to cars.

CJhaughey · 09-10-2019 8:40pm

Interestingly Australia is the allergy capital of the world these days.
https://rsv.org.au/food-allergy-capital/

Ipso · 09-10-2019 8:41pm

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

I'm truly amazed at the number of people here willing to put their child's desire to eat nuts at school above the life of someone else's child. I'm glad you aren't parents in our school. That's me over and out from this thread.

Probably the very same people who would sue a school if something similar happened their child.

Dravokivich · 09-10-2019 8:41pm

Alexandria Quick Doughnut wrote: »

So if you had a child with an allergy that lethal, why would you send them to school everyday where there is a high risk that they'll come into contact with some form of nuts?

What kind of a question is that?

Treppen · 09-10-2019 8:41pm

Alexandria Quick Doughnut wrote: »

So if you had a child with an allergy that lethal, why would you send them to school everyday where there is a high risk that they'll come into contact with some form of nuts?

No problem with getting school to go nut free.

We did it and they sky didn't fall in.

Kids got to stay alive.... and got and education too. Nobody was put out... Except idiots on here I suppose.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 09-10-2019 8:41pm

Alexandria Quick Doughnut wrote: »

So if you had a child with an allergy that lethal, why would you send them to school everyday where there is a high risk that they'll come into contact with some form of nuts?

Because, unless equipped to homeschool (not possible for many parents), children are required to be sent to school. The second statement I’m amazed I’ve had to type out in this thread. I kind of envy such obliviousness.

Lesalare · 09-10-2019 8:41pm

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Some people just cannot empathise. I’ve actually met quite a few people like this is my life. They cannot see outside their own purview.

I was on a flight from the US to Dub recently and they said at the very start no one was to even open a packet of nuts on the plane, they repeated it about 7 times. I have no idea some people are that badly effected. It must be terrible to suffer from this.

Ipso · 09-10-2019 8:42pm

Alexandria Quick Doughnut wrote: »

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Aren’t there ongoing efforts to stop people getting hit by cars? I didn’t know you could only be concerned about one thing at a time.

A much higher risk of getting hit by a car then dying of anawhatever shock as a percentage of the general population. Thousand of people have died from car accidents, people get into cars everyday. A more accurate analogy would be asking everybody in the office not to drive to work because one of the employees has an allergy to cars.

Great analogy. Because we all know people die from peanut allergies due to high impact collisions.

iamwhoiam · 09-10-2019 8:42pm

Alexandria Quick Doughnut wrote: »

A much higher risk of getting hit by a car then dying of anawhatever shock as a percentage of the general population. Thousand of people have died from car accidents, people get into cars everyday. A more accurate analogy would be asking everybody in the office not to drive to work because one of the employees has an allergy to cars.

Anaphylactic shock . I had two and be very grateful you had not

ldy4mxonucwsq6 · 09-10-2019 8:43pm

Alexandria Quick Doughnut wrote: »

So if you had a child with an allergy that lethal, why would you send them to school everyday where there is a high risk that they'll come into contact with some form of nuts?

I'm sure parents must worry but you have to balance the risk for the sake of the kid.

If the school has a no nuts policy then you have a small peace of mind that they will monitor it and have a degree of control over things.

The child and other children will be mindful of the allergy too as well as staff and severe allergy sufferers will probably have access to an epipen just in case.

Just because they have an allergy doesn't mean they shouldn't be able to live a relatively normal life and go to school and have friends just like everyone else. Allowing no nuts is a pretty minor thing to let a kid have a normal childhood.

Yes something could happen but the risk is minimised through all of this.

Should nuts in school be banned for the small % who have "nut allergies"

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