L’Oreal to remove the word “white” and “whitening from product labels.

29-06-2020 12:23am

joeguevara wrote: »

You’re probably right. Maybe White was used incorrectly instead of European. But there is no getting away from the fact that it was European instruction to colonise.

There's no escaping that all countries sought to expand their power and borders. The idea that White people or Europeans are somehow special in how they did it is incredibly ignorant of history. Asian nations committed mass genocides, as did many African tribes. South American civilisations such as the Inca's and Aztecs did similar.

But somehow what the European did was worse... simply because they colonized far from their home territories, as opposed to expanding their own domestic borders destroying their neighbors. Islamic civilisations destroyed or swallowed most nations who bordered them unless they were superior in power... but that's somehow less important than European colonialisation?

Anyway, if we're really going to be crying against the evils of colonialisation you might consider the Phoenicians, or Carthage who colonised whole areas of Northern Africa, and Southern Spain, displacing and killing the inhabitants. Both of which weren't Europeans as such. You really think the China of the Qing Dynasty got that way without colonialising huge areas of land? There's a reason why there's 57 ethnic groups in China, and that's not counting those ethnic groups which were completely wiped out.

The problem with the logic behind European aggression is that it seeks to blatantly ignore a huge amount of history which shows similar behavior by other peoples/nations. The only real difference is that Europeans were more successful on a global scale.

ronivek · 29-06-2020 1:19am

I always enjoy these threads where predominately white men complain about things which literally have zero impact on their own lives; whilst simultaneously claiming these changes are only being made because some other people are also complaining about things which literally have zero impact on their own lives.

The important thing to note here is that the entire world doesn't revolve around your white European view of the world; and in fact the vast majority of the world's population are not in fact white or European.

The changes here are not just related to the word white; they're about a worldwide phenomenon where lighter skin is tended to be favoured to differing degrees. They are also removing references to "fair" and "light" along with "white" precisely because they're trying to distance themselves from any implication that lighter skin tones are somehow better than others.

But sure; boycott them for trying to keep up with trends in society and promoting body positivity in their advertising and marketing. How dare they.

joeguevara · 29-06-2020 1:27am

malinheader wrote: »

Bollocks, pure bollocks too many people looking for excuses to be offended. Pure mule my ass. Time to wise up a bit and worry about real issues.

Hands up. Apologies. I was posting in the Graham Linehan thread and got mixed up. I actually agree with you.

joeguevara · 29-06-2020 1:28am

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

what thread are we in?

I got mixed up. Surprised I didn’t post about spurs Sheffield United here.

Quantum Erasure · 29-06-2020 2:22am

ronivek wrote: »

The important thing to note here is that the entire world doesn't revolve around your white European view of the world; and in fact the vast majority of the world's population are not in fact white or European.

hmm, dunno...

Munroe Bergdorf: Model rejoins L'Oreal three years after being sacked for white supremacy comment
The model is joining the cosmetic giant's diversity board after the new president apologised.
Tuesday 9 June 2020
https://news.sky.com/story/munroe-bergdorf-model-rejoins-loreal-three-years-after-being-sacked-for-white-supremacy-comment-12003807

“Most of ya’ll don’t even realise or refuse to acknowledge that your existence, privilege and success as a race is built on the backs, blood and death of people of colour,” she wrote. “Your entire existence is drenched in racism. From micro-aggressions to terrorism, you built the blueprint for this ****. Come see me when you realise racism isn’t learned, it’s inherited and consciously or unconsciously passed down through privilege. Once white people begin to admit their race is the most violent and oppressive force of nature on Earth … then we can talk.”

NSAman · 29-06-2020 2:25am

I am so conflicted. My toothpaste is Black Whitening paste (charcoal) am I being racially insensitive by doing black mouth?

joeguevara · 29-06-2020 2:29am

NSAman wrote: »

I am so conflicted. My toothpaste is Black Whitening paste (charcoal) am I being racially insensitive by doing black mouth?

Go for the thread bingo and ask will fake tan be banned. Are you sad that a product you will never use will have a different packaging?

But back to your post, I have the same toothpaste and very impressed with the difference it makes.

29-06-2020 3:35am

Skin whitening cream would have been one of the those dumb examples of what they might change next and sure enough, it has happened and people are talking about it.

I don't like the idea of workless utopia anymore in the future. People are hopelessly retarded when they're left with too much time on their hands.

wandererz · 29-06-2020 4:02am

What kind of people would use L'Oréal whitening products?

joeguevara · 29-06-2020 4:10am

wandererz wrote: »

What kind of people would use L'Oréal whitening products?

When travelling in Asia most girls that I would meet in companies (and my friends wives and relations) would use it. They would always be covered up and maybe with an umbrella If outside in the day and could tell that they were using some sort of lightener on their faces. They would look at me incredulously if I was out in a T-shirt I’d say I just stayed by the pool for the weekend. They never came out and say it but it was obvious that they felt that if they were dark it looked like they came from the paddy fields.

At corporate meetings in some of the larger cities, the girls in accounts or HR and the bosses daughters all had the complexion of a porcelain doll.

The other festure that they were obsessed with was a western nose. If they were looking on insta they would study the noses of westerners. I reckon I met over 20 who had nose jobs, with varying success.

Quantum Erasure · 29-06-2020 4:12am

just googled "L'Oréal whitening products" and got ads from japan and Vietnam, so...

kowloonkev · 29-06-2020 4:17am

ronivek wrote: »

I always enjoy these threads where predominately white men complain about things which literally have zero impact on their own lives; whilst simultaneously claiming these changes are only being made because some other people are also complaining about things which literally have zero impact on their own lives.

The important thing to note here is that the entire world doesn't revolve around your white European view of the world; and in fact the vast majority of the world's population are not in fact white or European.

The changes here are not just related to the word white; they're about a worldwide phenomenon where lighter skin is tended to be favoured to differing degrees. They are also removing references to "fair" and "light" along with "white" precisely because they're trying to distance themselves from any implication that lighter skin tones are somehow better than others.

But sure; boycott them for trying to keep up with trends in society and promoting body positivity in their advertising and marketing. How dare they.

Actually it's predominantly white people with nothing else to do who will complain about these products/slogans in the first place. It's ironic that you would say that the world doesn't revolve around the caucasian view of the world but then who is complaining about these products and who is making these progressive decisions on behalf of non-whites?

It's not that people are using such products to look caucasian. They're using them because they don't want to look like farmers/labourers etc. It's about appearing to be in a better social/economic class rather than appearing as a different race.

SlowMotion321 · 29-06-2020 4:17am

Is this an example of extremism in what should otherwise be a legitimate cause?:(

29-06-2020 4:19am

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

just googled "L'Oréal whitening products" and got ads from japan and Vietnam, so...

I wonder if white people will take it upon themselves to try and ban Asian women driving around in the sun dressed like ninjas.

It must be because they want to look like white westerners. It can be the only reason. And it's wrong.

Quantum Erasure · 29-06-2020 4:26am

joeguevara wrote: »

Go for the thread bingo and ask will fake tan be banned.

look up 'blackfishing' ... https://www.theweek.co.uk/98291/what-is-blackfishing

Wanna Thompson posted a tweet last year calling for a thread of all the “white girls cosplaying as black women” on Instagram. “Let’s air them out because this is ALARMING,” she wrote.

In an article for Paper, the 27-year-old says Instagram has become “a breeding ground for white women who wish to capitalise off of impersonating racially ambiguous/Black women for monetary and social gain”.

https://twitter.com/indialexandria/status/1276959382572597249

joeguevara · 29-06-2020 4:31am

Interestingly the global lightening cream market is worth about 8.8 billion. Asia Pacific is the leading market share with about 55% of sales. North America is second with about 25%. Europe is third. For some reason they expect the European market to grow by up to 15% and moderate growth in the US.

Now in Asia they couldn’t care less about using the word white. In fact in Thailand they use the same word for white, rice, and a few others i forget.

So then where could there be an issue real or not. The BLM are most active in US and Europe and with considerable growth expected what a coup to make a token gesture while placing themselves in the good graces of the people who would use them. Black and dark women and to some extent men.

People who think that one of the worlds biggest company would make a knee jerk reaction on something without doing a cost benefit analysis should think again.

29-06-2020 4:37am

joeguevara wrote: »

People who think that one of the worlds biggest company would make a knee jerk reaction on something without doing a cost benefit analysis should think again.

Gillette put out an ad telling their primary customer base to be better. The company I used for my shaving products assumed I was a sexist piece of shlt because I am a man.

Companies make mistakes all the time.

joeguevara · 29-06-2020 4:38am

Deleted User wrote: »

I wonder if white people will take it upon themselves to try and ban Asian women driving around in the sun dressed like ninjas.

It must be because they want to look like white westerners. It can be the only reason. And it's wrong.

Add a dog and a couple of kids on that and welcome to Asia.

I think people are making an assumption. The reason they cover up is because they don’t want to be dark. They definitely want to be white or at least whiter or lighter. But it has nothing to do with Westerners. Vast majority of Asians that I met through work didn’t find Western women or indeed the vast majority of western men attractive. They would fawn over pictures of Korean Popstars but would never even look at photo of people we would hold as extremely attractive,

White or whiter is considered high society. Always has been in Asia. But to suggest that the only white people they aspire to be is western is just not true,

Quantum Erasure · 29-06-2020 4:39am

when i was looking up fake tan, i came across this:

"Ireland is the second most voracious market globally (after Sweden but before the UK) for tanning products."

joeguevara · 29-06-2020 4:41am

Deleted User wrote: »

Gillette put out an ad telling their primary customer base to be better. The company I used for my shaving products assumed I was a sexist piece of shlt because I am a man.

Companies make mistakes all the time.

Was it a mistake? Did people try harder because of that incorrect assumption? Maybe a lot were sexist and it helped. Yes companies decisions don’t always work but that doesn’t mean they woke up and said let’s do this after breakfast.

29-06-2020 4:45am

joeguevara wrote: »

Add a dog and a couple of kids on that and welcome to Asia.

I think people are making an assumption. The reason they cover up is because they don’t want to be dark. They definitely want to be white or at least whiter or lighter. But it has nothing to do with Westerners. Vast majority of Asians that I met through work didn’t find Western women or indeed the vast majority of western men attractive. They would fawn over pictures of Korean Popstars but would never even look at photo of people we would hold as extremely attractive,

White or whiter is considered high society. Always has been in Asia. But to suggest that the only white people they aspire to be is western is just not true,

Yep. Not a single person I know in Vietnam wants white skin to look Caucasian. It always takes new westerners here a while to realise that Vietnamese people idolise other Asians.

joeguevara · 29-06-2020 4:47am

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

when i was looking up fake tan, i came across this:

"Ireland is the second most voracious market globally (after Sweden but before the UK) for tanning products."

Makes sense. Most other EU countries would have sallow or olive skin and wouldn’t need it. Russians seem to favour doll like complexion. Australia has lots of sun. US must have a decent market share. One thing though you never see girls in US TV saying they are going to do their tan. Well not often. The only reference to it that I remember is Ross on Friends and it did t end well.

29-06-2020 4:48am

joeguevara wrote: »

Was it a mistake? Did people try harder because of that incorrect assumption? Maybe a lot were sexist and it helped. Yes companies decisions don’t always work but that doesn’t mean they woke up and said let’s do this after breakfast.

I think there's more going on in these companies than one might think. It could be job-threatening to stand up to this stuff. I remember a Google employee was fired for pointing out some of these things.

It is more than plausible that this stuff gets through a company without much objection because objecting would be deemed whatever -ist is relevant.

The l'Oreal thing is just a cynical attempt at virtue signalling. They know it has nothing to do with anything. It's just people in the company looking at what's going on wondering how to capitalise on it.

SlowMotion321 · 29-06-2020 4:50am

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

look up 'blackfishing' ... https://www.theweek.co.uk/98291/what-is-blackfishing

Wanna Thompson posted a tweet last year calling for a thread of all the “white girls cosplaying as black women” on Instagram. “Let’s air them out because this is ALARMING,” she wrote.

In an article for Paper, the 27-year-old says Instagram has become “a breeding ground for white women who wish to capitalise off of impersonating racially ambiguous/Black women for monetary and social gain”.

Make sure you don't transpose the H with a T you will not get the results you are expecting!
Also it's cosplay FFS aren't they suppose to dress as their favourite characters? I dare anyone to go to a startrek convention and accuse a bunch of Klingons of blackfacing!

joeguevara · 29-06-2020 4:51am

Deleted User wrote: »

Yep. Not a single person I know in Vietnam wants white skin to look Caucasian. It always takes new westerners here a while to realise that Vietnamese people idolise other Asians.

Indeed. If anything they consider the vast majority of western women quite ugly in what they wear, their size how they do their make up, their hairstyles, and how they act. Every major beauty ad campaign will without fail use Asians. If westerners were what was aspired to they would be used.

joeguevara · 29-06-2020 4:54am

Just remembered one of my favourite pictures ever. A kid whose parents dressed him up as Les Ferdinand for Halloween. What a cracker

pickarooney · 29-06-2020 5:49am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It's only a matter of time before they redesign their money. The notes are plastered with pictures of racists and slave owners.

Well, they could do with doing that anyway to help the partially sighted distinguish all their green notes.

kowloonkev · 29-06-2020 5:57am

joeguevara wrote: »

Interestingly the global lightening cream market is worth about 8.8 billion. Asia Pacific is the leading market share with about 55% of sales. North America is second with about 25%. Europe is third. For some reason they expect the European market to grow by up to 15% and moderate growth in the US.

Now in Asia they couldn’t care less about using the word white. In fact in Thailand they use the same word for white, rice, and a few others i forget.

So then where could there be an issue real or not. The BLM are most active in US and Europe and with considerable growth expected what a coup to make a token gesture while placing themselves in the good graces of the people who would use them. Black and dark women and to some extent men.

People who think that one of the worlds biggest company would make a knee jerk reaction on something without doing a cost benefit analysis should think again.

The European and American markets are probably mostly rich Asian tourists who can get these products much cheaper outside of Asia. They also don't give a flying fiddlers about BLM or any of that and are probably more entrenched in their race opinions if anything as a result of the riots. The companies are probably acting now so that they can continue selling in America/Europe without distraction, but it wouldn't effect their customers either way.

ronivek · 29-06-2020 6:30am

kowloonkev wrote: »

Actually it's predominantly white people with nothing else to do who will complain about these products/slogans in the first place. It's ironic that you would say that the world doesn't revolve around the caucasian view of the world but then who is complaining about these products and who is making these progressive decisions on behalf of non-whites?

Interesting you should say that: because Unilever were the first brand to make this change; and it was Hindustan Unilever who made this decision which was then taken up by Unilever International and others. Of which the vast majority of its leadership are naturally of Indian descent and made the decision in respect of their own region; not yours.

It's not that people are using such products to look caucasian. They're using them because they don't want to look like farmers/labourers etc. It's about appearing to be in a better social/economic class rather than appearing as a different race.

Did anyone in this thread claim that anyone was using lightening products to look more Caucasian? Again; there are other countries and regions in the world apart from the USA and Europe and not every decision has to be about you and your whiteness.

29-06-2020 6:36am

ronivek wrote: »

Did anyone in this thread claim that anyone was using lightening products to look more Caucasian? Again; there are other countries and regions in the world apart from the USA and Europe and not every decision has to be about you and your whiteness.

Then it doesn't make much sense to remove the word whitening from the labels. It isn't wrong to have white skin. It isn't wrong to call it that.

ronivek · 29-06-2020 6:44am

Deleted User wrote: »

Then it doesn't make much sense to remove the word whitening from the labels. It isn't wrong to have white skin. It isn't wrong to call it that.

They're removing wording and branding such as: ‘fair/fairness’, ‘white/whitening’, and ‘light/lightening’.

It has very little if anything to do with white people; that's the fundamental point here. This is about people of colour and their own issues with skin tone and standards of beauty.

29-06-2020 6:46am

ronivek wrote: »

They're removing wording and branding such as: ‘fair/fairness’, ‘white/whitening’, and ‘light/lightening’.

It has very little if anything to do with white people; that's the fundamental point here. This is about people of colour and their own issues with skin tone and standards of beauty.

What on Earth are you on about? They're doing this as a response to all this racism stuff. Why are you trying to say it has nothing to do with white people?

joeguevara · 29-06-2020 6:48am

kowloonkev wrote: »

The European and American markets are probably mostly rich Asian tourists who can get these products much cheaper outside of Asia. They also don't give a flying fiddlers about BLM or any of that and are probably more entrenched in their race opinions if anything as a result of the riots. The companies are probably acting now so that they can continue selling in America/Europe without distraction, but it wouldn't effect their customers either way.

You would think (As i would have) but would be incorrect. Firstly as with everything, it’s always cheaper to buy in Asia than the US. So the US market is not based on Asian Tourists. The second factor is that the most common user would be from the poorer socio economic sections of the countries. Mainly because the Hi-So would never have worked outside or maybe worked at all. Would travel by car as opposed to motorbike and would have inherited paler skin because of just that. The main users in US are Nigerian and Afro Carribean. So key demographic for BLM.

In Europe the main users are Nigerian, Afro Carribean as well as Arrabian and Indian. My favourite statistic is that Turkey use 0%. So demographic for Europe again BLM.

I literally found 100s of articles and countless books on the topic of skin lightening and racism and these were written over the last 5-7 years so it’s not as if its just come up no. There are major health concerns in cheaper brands because of use of Mercury.

Biggest Market Share manufacturer is surprise surprise L’Oreal. Even more interesting and something I don’t think has Ben raised is that Johnson and Johnson Neutrogena have decided to stop manufacturing and shipping the products all together.

But skin whitening is probably the least used name when selling it. Firstly it is the most severe of the products as completely strips the melanin from the skin while lightening inhibits production. Whitening is more commonly is skin depigmentation. There are lists of other alternatives but can’t link or copy. So it’s not really removing the whitening it’s just using a common parlance.

A lot of Nations have banned these products because of the severe side effects from the mercury and Cortezoids as well as the environmental impact from the side products from production and then the huge amounts of single use foil packaging that’s dumped. It’s a fallacy then that a company is appearing to be progressive by using a different moniker when the real issue and the harm is from the product itself irrespective of how desirable the name is.

I think because of such high usage by the people BLM aspires to represent the chances of it being targeted are small. They usually target brands and products used by Caucasians but with black characters, monikers or caricatures of slaves. For some reason mars is changing its design.

I am absolutely flabergqsted that there is such a huge industry, with such far reaching usage that is connected directly to the self esteem and morale of so many vulnerable men and women but is virtually unknown to us.

One final thing before someone mentions fake tan again. Not only is tan not a defined skin colour or attributable to any race, it simply puts a light dye on the skin. As opposed to a skin lightening cream that pretty much dissolves the colour making melanin of the skin. Repeated use and ingestion of mercury through facial and hand absorption is extremely high. But it’s all fine because they changed the name.

joeguevara · 29-06-2020 6:49am

Deleted User wrote: »

What on Earth are you on about? They're doing this as a response to all this racism stuff. Why are you trying to say it has nothing to do with white people?

I think he is saying that the reason it is used has no link to white people. But the name of it does have white connotations.

29-06-2020 6:53am

joeguevara wrote: »

Firstly as with everything, it’s always cheaper to buy in Asia than the US.

Well that's certainly not true for Vietnam. Loads of things are way more expensive to the point where I just don't buy much stuff. People pay $20k+ to get jobs as air hostesses so they can bring back phones and perfume etc. on every flight and sell them here.

ronivek · 29-06-2020 7:07am

Deleted User wrote: »

What on Earth are you on about? They're doing this as a response to all this racism stuff. Why are you trying to say it has nothing to do with white people?

They did this in 2019.

What they announced was in addition to the removal of 'whitening'; they're now renaming the entire product line referenced.

This is not an issue which was "made up" in response to the Black Lives Matter protests; but it has certainly given them added impetus to continue along the path they already embarked on.

To once again illustrate that not everything revolves entirely around the USA and Europe: here's an example from 2018 of colourism in India:

My father declined and I heard the relative tell him: "How can you decline? What does your daughter possess that makes you think she could get a better proposal? Have you not seen her? She is dark!"

joeguevara · 29-06-2020 7:11am

ronivek wrote: »

They did this in 2019.

What they announced was in addition to the removal of 'whitening'; they're now renaming the entire product line referenced.

This is not an issue which was "made up" in response to the Black Lives Matter protests; but it has certainly given them added impetus to continue along the path they already embarked on.

To once again illustrate that not everything revolves entirely around the USA and Europe: here's an example from 2018 of colourism in India:

I am actually fascinated with this. While you are correct with regards to not being made up and pre existed the current BLM uprising it is definitely true that there was report after report on the topic for years which made recommendations. It is only very recently that they pulled the trigger on it,

joeguevara · 29-06-2020 7:17am

Deleted User wrote: »

Well that's certainly not true for Vietnam. Loads of things are way more expensive to the point where I just don't buy much stuff. People pay $20k+ to get jobs as air hostesses so they can bring back phones and perfume etc. on every flight and sell them here.

Imported goods or products manufactured outside Asia will be subject to crazy import taxes. French perfume, luxury whiskey, watches etc are crazily expensive. Bottle of french champagne is 3 times the price. A Mercedes will be double the price purchased to get past customs with a very real risk of being confiscated. But products manufactured in Asia will be markably cheaper than in the US. The fact that Asia Pacific is 55% of world market share means that the biggest manufacturing facilities are located there.

LiquidZeb · 29-06-2020 7:18am

ronivek wrote: »

I always enjoy these threads where predominately white men complain about things which literally have zero impact on their own lives; whilst simultaneously claiming these changes are only being made because some other people are also complaining about things which literally have zero impact on their own lives.

The important thing to note here is that the entire world doesn't revolve around your white European view of the world; and in fact the vast majority of the world's population are not in fact white or European.

The changes here are not just related to the word white; they're about a worldwide phenomenon where lighter skin is tended to be favoured to differing degrees. They are also removing references to "fair" and "light" along with "white" precisely because they're trying to distance themselves from any implication that lighter skin tones are somehow better than others.

But sure; boycott them for trying to keep up with trends in society and promoting body positivity in their advertising and marketing. How dare they.

But don't you understand loreal literally committed genocide on white people by changing the lable on a bottle. The lads here should talk to kids starving in Yemen about their struggles it's heartbreaking stuff.

joeguevara · 29-06-2020 7:26am

LiquidZeb wrote: »

But don't you understand loreal literally committed genocide on white people by changing the lable on a bottle. The lads here should talk to kids starving in Yemen about their struggles it's heartbreaking stuff.

Isn’t Yemen a ficticious country made up by Chandler on Friends to fool his annoying girlfriend Janice into thinking he had left the country. They will probably ban Friends now for fictitious starving kids in Yemen. When will it end. It’s PC gone mad that such important icons to us such as a US TV series may be gone. What next ban milk because it’s white.

jim salter · 29-06-2020 10:33am

joeguevara wrote: »

So for one example, Linehan did so much extensive research on a random person that he found a photograph of them prior to undergoing gender reassignment surgery and published to the entire world with the sole objective to shame that person. Are you saying that was only for sh1ts and giggles. But just for a bit of clarity in every equality law that defines and bullying and harassment it explicitly states that the intention of the perpetrator is irrelevant and the only relevance is how it makes the person feel. Here is one article describing that.

It does come across that you jumped straight from post #2 to straight into a typical rant on virtue signalling completely disregarding the fact that pretty much every single person who are on both sides of the argument universally agree that his actions were reprehensible and a ban was deserved.

You conveniently forgot the whole point of my post, or maybe you just flew into a rage because you were triggered, or looking for something offensive in what I wrote.

the key point you missed was .....

...INTENT

joeguevara · 29-06-2020 1:02pm

jim salter wrote: »

You conveniently forgot the whole point of my post, or maybe you just flew into a rage because you were triggered, or looking for something offensive in what I wrote.

the key point you missed was .....

...INTENT

Jim, I was posting between this thread and the Graham Linehan bullying thread. I got mixed up because specifically intent is a key word in bullying which is relevant to the Graham Linehan. Luckily I copped on before I made a holy show of myself.

You are right in the instance of the Loreal issue. If a person takes something as offensive when its not supposed to be then its on the person who was just acting butt hurt.

I suppose it shows not to be flicking between two threads that have similar themes.

jim salter · 29-06-2020 1:45pm

joeguevara wrote: »

Jim, I was posting between this thread and the Graham Linehan bullying thread. I got mixed up because specifically intent is a key word in bullying which is relevant to the Graham Linehan. Luckily I copped on before I made a holy show of myself.

You are right in the instance of the Loreal issue. If a person takes something as offensive when its not supposed to be then its on the person who was just acting butt hurt.

I suppose it shows not to be flicking between two threads that have similar themes.

Apologies

joeguevara · 29-06-2020 2:13pm

jim salter wrote: »

Apologies

Don't apologise at all. Completely my fault. Luckily it clicked in the nick of time. I had spent 15 minutes writing out a doozy. I swear it was probably my best work ever and was worthy of a Pullitzer. I had plots, sub plots, developed characters, asking you did you want to stop for a break in case you needed to do another boo boo like you did before.

I had outlined how mistaken you are. I had stopped asking did you want to go over it again. I created a nursery rhyme with built in mnemonics to assist memory of what is correct. I created memory cards for you to assist with home schooling.

When I had completed it, I literally stood back to take it all in. I was admiring the weaving and lyrical sway of how I got from point A but enough time to learn a lesson at each assist point. Yes there was assist points in built to this ultimate insult. Although it was learning based game I still ensured there was competition and fun.

As it was so good I didn't want to colour it in myself so called a graphic artist who was going to see they could do a line drawing of my interpretation of you but only in my mind. Just as they were about to finish, I thought to myself, this Jim while clearly a moron and a bit dim, couldn't have missed my construction and then destruction of intent argument. Because of this flicker I rechecked the unit with the paragraph in question. It was then that it had dawned on me that after months of planning and ensuring everything was checked and rechecked was that I had completely misread an entire thread and/or poem. Jesus and the angels were upstairs protecting me to day. Cause if I had pressed that on button and anyone had seen it, I would be hiding in a sleeping bag in Barneys house. We all cheered and that is where the story finished with me. Cant belieb

Strumms · 29-06-2020 4:46pm

Is there going to become a time now in this life of my life where im in a car dealership... i take a test drive.. like the car... agree a price.. start talking about spec etc... automatic.. heated seats... exectutive trim.. in WHITE !!!

" im sorry sir... im going to have to ask you to leave or else order ethical pearl "

Tell me how · 29-06-2020 5:05pm

Strumms wrote: »

Is there going to become a time now in this life of my life where im in a car dealership... i take a test drive.. like the car... agree a price.. start talking about spec etc... automatic.. heated seats... exectutive trim.. in WHITE !!!

" im sorry sir... im going to have to ask you to leave or else order ethical pearl "

Nah, by the time you are in a position to go to a dealership to talk about buying a new car, you'll be an adult and hopefully be able to understand the nuance of this whole conversation and that talking about the your preference for a car of a particular colour is no problem.

Unless of course you expect to be saying loudly that it has to be white because nothing good ever came from anything that wasn't white or stuff like that. If so, you might have an issue.

Strumms · 29-06-2020 6:23pm

Tell me how wrote: »

Nah, by the time you are in a position to go to a dealership to talk about buying a new car, you'll be an adult and hopefully be able to understand the nuance of this whole conversation and that talking about the your preference for a car of a particular colour is no problem.

Unless of course you expect to be saying loudly that it has to be white because nothing good ever came from anything that wasn't white or stuff like that. If so, you might have an issue.

Ohhh how smarmy of you. By the time I’m an adult ?

, maybe you can let me know when you reach that milestone and we can both endeavor to have a conversation... now put your toys away please, you’ll trip yourself up !

jim salter · 29-06-2020 6:57pm

joeguevara wrote: »

Don't apologise at all. Completely my fault. Luckily it clicked in the nick of time. I had spent 15 minutes writing out a doozy. I swear it was probably my best work ever and was worthy of a Pullitzer. I had plots, sub plots, developed characters, asking you did you want to stop for a break in case you needed to do another boo boo like you did before.

I had outlined how mistaken you are. I had stopped asking did you want to go over it again. I created a nursery rhyme with built in mnemonics to assist memory of what is correct. I created memory cards for you to assist with home schooling.

When I had completed it, I literally stood back to take it all in. I was admiring the weaving and lyrical sway of how I got from point A but enough time to learn a lesson at each assist point. Yes there was assist points in built to this ultimate insult. Although it was learning based game I still ensured there was competition and fun.

As it was so good I didn't want to colour it in myself so called a graphic artist who was going to see they could do a line drawing of my interpretation of you but only in my mind. Just as they were about to finish, I thought to myself, this Jim while clearly a moron and a bit dim, couldn't have missed my construction and then destruction of intent argument. Because of this flicker I rechecked the unit with the paragraph in question. It was then that it had dawned on me that after months of planning and ensuring everything was checked and rechecked was that I had completely misread an entire thread and/or poem. Jesus and the angels were upstairs protecting me to day. Cause if I had pressed that on button and anyone had seen it, I would be hiding in a sleeping bag in Barneys house. We all cheered and that is where the story finished with me. Cant belieb

Wow, even triggered by an apology...oh well

joeguevara · 30-06-2020 12:49am

jim salter wrote: »

Wow, even triggered by an apology...oh well

I was joking.

Quantum Erasure · 30-06-2020 2:23am

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Nah, by the time you are in a position to go to a dealership to talk about buying a new car, you'll be an adult and hopefully be able to understand the nuance of this whole conversation and that talking about the your preference for a car of a particular colour is no problem.
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you can have any colour you like, as long as it's black...

L’Oreal to remove the word “white” and “whitening from product labels.

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