Michael Schumacher Suffers Serious Head Injury

robinwing · 02-01-2014 7:36pm

SouperComputer wrote: »

Next setup would be to reduce his sedation... but they can't do that until...

Intracranial pressure stays down
Haemorrhaging stops
Swelling has subsided

Once they are happy with this they will move him to a less sedated level and begin to monitor brain activity and response.

Stay strong Schumi! Your family needs you to pull through this!

Well expressed sir !

Kettleson · 02-01-2014 9:27pm

Is there an aspect that medics, whilst offering professional encouragement, tend to cite the worse case scenario as a realistic base to avoid giving false hope?

downonthefarm · 02-01-2014 9:30pm

The man is a born winner,and a champion hope he makes a full recovery

Peanut Butter Jelly · 02-01-2014 9:54pm

Kettleson wrote: »

Is there an aspect that medics, whilst offering professional encouragement, tend to cite the worse case scenario as a realistic base to avoid giving false hope?

I don't think they say the worst case scenario, they just tell it as it is. The case with Schumacher is that millions of people want to see him pull through and if they say that he will, and something doesn't quite go to plan, then everyone will pile on to them like a tonne of bricks. They just want to keep it in everyones head that this situation is very critical.

Stainless_Steel · 03-01-2014 1:55am

Happy Birthday Champ. I know you don't want to be spending it like this... keep strong and pull through.

SouperComputer · 03-01-2014 4:18am

Kettleson wrote: »

Is there an aspect that medics, whilst offering professional encouragement, tend to cite the worse case scenario as a realistic base to avoid giving false hope?

If you are reading the quotes from press conferences, they are being very direct, blunt and inline with the typical process for this kind of injury.
It's very complex, very unpredictable and could go either way in a hurry. There is really no way to know for sure. Whatever the damage is, it's already done we are just waiting to see what the extent is.

Literally all we can do at this point is cross our fingers!

SnowDrifts · 03-01-2014 7:15pm

Message from Michael's family today after birthday vigil...

"We are overwhelmed!
The incredible sympathies shown today by the Ferrari Fans outside the hospital has utterly overwhelmed us and moved us all to tears. We are deeply grateful for it and also for all the heartwarming and heartfelt wishes for Michael to get well soon, which have reached us from all over the world."

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Myrddin · 04-01-2014 12:41pm

It was on the Sky News ticker tape thingy there that a family friend has said that "his life is no longer in danger"...

Red Nissan · 04-01-2014 1:27pm

Myrddin wrote: »

It was on the Sky News ticker tape thingy there that a family friend has said that "his life is no longer on danger"...

Yes, in the interview in his car he says he is not a doctor, but [as above]

frostie500 · 04-01-2014 1:30pm

Red Nissan wrote: »

Yes, in the interview in his car he says he is not a doctor, but [as above]

Sabine has just come out and denied this unfortunately

v10 · 04-01-2014 2:15pm

Myrddin wrote: »

It was on the Sky News ticker tape thingy there that a family friend has said that "his life is no longer in danger"...

tbh first thing I thought was, some 'family friend' ! .. he visits his mate in a coma and then comes out and tells all the media that 'his life is no longer on danger' :rolleyes:

A 'friend' would keep his mouth shut and let the appropriate spokesperson deal with the media ..

Of course I hope he's right but I'll wait for official confirmation.

Myrddin · 04-01-2014 2:17pm

v10 wrote: »

tbh first thing I thought was, some 'family friend' ! .. he visits his mate in a coma and then comes out and tells all the media that 'his life is no longer on danger' :rolleyes:

A 'friend' would keep his mouth shut and let the appropriate spokesperson deal with the media ..

Of course I hope he's right but I'll wait for official confirmation.

Yeah the family seem a bit pee'd off over it from reading further. It said on Sky News that the surgeons aren't expecting to give any further updates until Monday

04-01-2014 2:27pm

Arseholes.

RayM · 04-01-2014 2:44pm

v10 wrote: »

Of course I hope he's right but I'll wait for official confirmation.

He probably is right, but Schumacher's family and doctors aren't going to confirm anything until they're 100% sure that he's out of danger and have a better idea of the sort of damage they're dealing with (which could still be catastrophically life-changing and permanent). And that's not likely to happen while he's still in a coma.

Pawwed Rig · 04-01-2014 2:46pm

Still not his place to say anything. Even if he is right there may be other issues after a head injury so best not to speculate.

Myrddin · 04-01-2014 2:50pm

RayM wrote: »

He probably is right, but Schumacher's family and doctors aren't going to confirm anything until they're 100% sure that he's out of danger and have a better idea of the sort of damage they're dealing with (which could still be catastrophically life-changing and permanent). And that's not likely to happen while he's still in a coma.

That's really the big fear at the moment, I really really hope not

Peanut Butter Jelly · 04-01-2014 8:26pm

So police are investigating a camera attached to Michaels helmet at the time he fell. Safe to say that tape will end up on the Daily Mail / Mirror / Sun website within a month.

05-01-2014 1:55am

Peanut Butter Jelly wrote: »

So police are investigating a camera attached to Michaels helmet at the time he fell. Safe to say that tape will end up on the Daily Mail / Mirror / Sun website within a month.

I wouldn't hand over something like that voluntarily, whether the family did or not. I don't see how someone falling over is a matter for the police or any of their business.

GT_TDI_150 · 05-01-2014 2:03am

Suppose this could (have) end(ed) with a fatality and there for the police force would need to investigate ...

Probably collected at the crash site or brought to the hospital attached to the helmet so doctor could estimate the force of the impact and then handed over to the authorities.

Kettleson · 05-01-2014 2:11am

In the circumstances who gives a flying fcu about a tape anyways?

It's just another reminder of the manipulation and exploitation that each one of us is subject to on a minute by minute basis.

The vulnerable form opinions of people they have never met, based on media reports. I've never met the guy, and never will but I hope to God he pulls through for his family.

But for sure, it's a great reminder. Life is fragile and precious. Come on Michael!

Peanut Butter Jelly · 05-01-2014 2:11am

Deleted User wrote: »

I wouldn't hand over something like that voluntarily, whether the family did or not. I don't see how someone falling over is a matter for the police or any of their business.

GT_TDI_150 wrote: »

Suppose this could (have) end(ed) with a fatality and there for the police force would need to investigate ...

Probably collected at the crash site or brought to the hospital attached to the helmet so doctor could estimate the force of the impact and then handed over to the authorities.

It was voluntarily handed over to the police by the family according to Sabine Kehm, Michael's manager. I don't want to insult any force or agency but there's nearly always someone from the police connected to someone in a paper through their grandmother's 2nd cousin's once removed child's stepfather's dog whose previous owner is having an affair with the plumber of the father of the editor of said paper. It's only a matter of time.

ZiabR · 06-01-2014 10:48am

Myrddin wrote: »

That's really the big fear at the moment, I really really hope not

Yeah, that is my fear also... I hope there is no serious damage to his brain and he avoids any kind of paralysis.

RayM · 06-01-2014 6:57pm

Bild (the German equivalent of The Sun) is reporting that Schumacher's life is no longer in danger.

Peanut Butter Jelly · 06-01-2014 7:04pm

RayM wrote: »

Bild (the German equivalent of The Sun) is reporting that Schumacher's life is no longer in danger.

No matter how many people say that, I'm not going to believe or pay any heed to it until Jean Francois Payen, Emmanuel Gay, Stephan Chabardes or Gerard Saillant says it.

Myrddin · 06-01-2014 7:20pm

Peanut Butter Jelly wrote: »

No matter how many people say that, I'm not going to believe or pay any heed to it until Jean Francois Payen, Emmanuel Gay, Stephan Chabardes or Gerard Saillant says it.

Agreed. If this were the case, why would it not be being announced officially. Even if true, I won't be rejoicing until I see how he is. There are fates worse than death...

Peanut Butter Jelly · 06-01-2014 7:52pm

Myrddin wrote: »

Agreed. If this were the case, why would it not be being announced officially. Even if true, I won't be rejoicing until I see how he is. There are fates worse than death...

Well, there's a press conference on Wednesday morning at 10am our time coming from Albertville, 80km from the Hospital, so if there's anything to be announced regards Schumacher's condition, it will be a press officer from the hospital, and it will probably be a script with no definite details, just we've monitored A, done B and are happy with C. The main reason for the press conference is for the police to talk to the public.

Ghost Train · 06-01-2014 9:42pm

Press conference today apparently said condition unchanged and still classed as critical

Myrddin · 06-01-2014 9:46pm

Ghost Train wrote: »

Press conference today apparently said condition unchanged and still classed as critical

Sky News ticker tape thingy is saying "AFP: "Slight Improvement" in Michael Schumacher's Condition"

ZiabR · 07-01-2014 10:07am

Myrddin wrote: »

Sky News ticker tape thingy is saying "AFP: "Slight Improvement" in Michael Schumacher's Condition"

In fairness, after what, 1.5 weeks there does not seem to be major changes. I am starting to worry a little now. It's not looking good.

h3000 · 07-01-2014 10:12am

logik wrote: »

In fairness, after what, 1.5 weeks there does not seem to be major changes. I am starting to worry a little now. It's not looking good.

Things like this can take a lot longer than a week and a half to indicate any sort of outcome.

Myrddin · 07-01-2014 10:31am

logik wrote: »

In fairness, after what, 1.5 weeks there does not seem to be major changes. I am starting to worry a little now. It's not looking good.

Yeah but you have to remember he's in an induced coma, there aren't really going to be any major changes as he's effectively on life support. He could stay like this a lot longer if they feel the need. The real measure is when they start to revive him...so the longer he's like this, I think it gives the bleeding in the brain a chance to subside?

recyclebin · 07-01-2014 11:58am

A guy I used to work with fell through a shed roof and suffered head injuries similar to Schumacher. I think they put him in an induced coma for about 10 weeks as he had so much swelling on the brain. He seems to have made a near full recovery since then.

The thing is nobody really knows if there has been any long term damage done until they bring him out of the coma. They may attempy to bring him out of the coma shortly but if the brain swelling starts they will put him back into it again.

It may be weeks or months before we really see how Schumacher is.

SnowDrifts · 07-01-2014 4:33pm

To echo the above, a tweet I read today...

Kevin Garside ‏@GARSIDEK

"9 days since Schumi trauma - in 1998 boxer @SpencerOliver spent two weeks in coma after removal of blood clot on brain - fit and well tday"

Peanut Butter Jelly · 07-01-2014 6:03pm

I don't like comparing brain injuries. I know people do it to find some crème of comfort when their idol or a loved one is critically injured in hospital but at the end of the day, there is so much we do no know about the brain and how it works. Yes, people have survived worse injuries but people have also died from much lighter injuries.

Generally, we're afraid of the unknown. We want information if we feel we need it. It's our inbuilt curiosity, a genealogical trait. It's the reason your life flashes before your eyes before you die. Your brain looks throughout your life to find a similar situation and how you overcame it. That's why you put your hands infront of you when you fall. The brain recognises that as the action that stopped you from been injured when you fell before so that's its go to solution. The problem is that you never experienced dying before and that's why you see your entire life.

De Hipster · 07-01-2014 6:55pm

For a family who in their private lives have largely steered clear of the mainstream press, surely this must be an extremely unnecessary further strain at this already stressful and emotive time. Maybe some space from the media is required and await press releases to let them focus on helping Michael fight the good fight...

Breaking news - http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/schumacher-s-wife-corinna-pleads-with-media-to-leave-them-alone/

Schumacher's wife Corinna pleads with media to leave them alone

As speculation and rumours persist, the Schumacher family has had enough.
Story by: Rainier Ehrhardt

Schumacher's wife Corinna pleads with media to leave them alone

"Please leave our family in peace."

Those were the words used in a statement by Corinna Schumacher, wife of the seven-time World Champion who is still fighting for his life after falling in a ski accident last week in the French Alps. He remains in critical but stable condition.

In a release made available on Tuesday morning by the driver's longtime manager Sabine Kehm, the German champion's wife pleaded with the media to let the doctors work and leave the family alone following numerous speculative or false reports by the media, many of whom have been camped outside the Grenoble Hospital for days.

"Please support us in our common fight with Michael. It is important to me that you leave the doctors and the hospital so that they can work in peace. I ask you to trust their statements and leave the clinic."

Myrddin · 07-01-2014 7:09pm

Unfortunately, any plea for privacy just ends up being it's own media headline....as we can see here. I feel for the family, I really do. There's no escaping the media, & while the media can serve a valid & important function in society, for me it's drowned very much out by scheming vile parasites who wish nothing more than to make money from this misery.

Dtp1979 · 07-01-2014 10:01pm

Myrddin wrote: »

Unfortunately, any plea for privacy just ends up being it's own media headline....as we can see here. I feel for the family, I really do. There's no escaping the media, & while the media can serve a valid & important function in society, for me it's drowned very much out by scheming vile parasites who wish nothing more than to make money from this misery.

Well said

ZiabR · 08-01-2014 10:07am

Myrddin wrote: »

Unfortunately, any plea for privacy just ends up being it's own media headline....as we can see here. I feel for the family, I really do. There's no escaping the media, & while the media can serve a valid & important function in society, for me it's drowned very much out by scheming vile parasites who wish nothing more than to make money from this misery.

Couldn't have said that better myself. Sure look at the reporter that dressed as a priest to try and sneak into his hospital room...

De Hipster · 08-01-2014 12:12pm

I really do feel for the family, from their perspective it's a case of 'damned if you do & damned if you don't' scenario - if they release regular press snippets & feed the beast, which maintains the appetite and prolongs the media presence outside the hospital, or starve the media completely which results in speculation, rumours and the fake priest saga.

I am following this closely as a huge long-term Michael Schumacher fan...which in many ways implicates me as much as anyone in the harassment of the family...

Myrddin · 08-01-2014 12:26pm

De Hipster wrote: »

I am following this closely as a huge long-term Michael Schumacher fan...which in many ways implicates me as much as anyone in the harassment of the family...

Ah I don't know about that. The family have said all the support & well wishes have meant a great deal to them. We're on their side, & they know that. There's no way I'd lump myself in on the same sentence as that parasite that dressed up a priest, in order to get photos to sell. I'm as eager as the next person on news & updates, but only official ones...anything else can fugg right off.

robinwing · 08-01-2014 3:54pm

****Post Edited****

Please quote a source when copying and pasting some of an article.

Blame Sherlock for this!

Pawwed Rig · 08-01-2014 5:50pm

De Hipster wrote: »

I am following this closely as a huge long-term Michael Schumacher fan...which in many ways implicates me as much as anyone in the harassment of the family...

I think this is an interesting point and I am going to differ slightly from Myrddin on this.
I think in general the people (including fans) who wish him well and are interested in his well being are happy to wait for the official word on his updates. Those that jump on every bit of gossip from less than ideal sources are the ones that share the guilt. After all there is no supply without demand.
I would think Michaels family understand how many people are generally upset at his predicament and genuinely wish him well.
Then there are the voyeurs who would love to see a video of him suffering in his hospital bed.
I suppose in a F1 sense there are some that enjoy the sport and those that like the crashes.
The fact that you are asking the question would tell me you fall into the better category

De Hipster · 08-01-2014 7:51pm

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

I think this is an interesting point and I am going to differ slightly from Myrddin on this.
I think in general the people (including fans) who wish him well and are interested in his well being are happy to wait for the official word on his updates. Those that jump on every bit of gossip from less than ideal sources are the ones that share the guilt. After all there is no supply without demand.
I would think Michaels family understand how many people are generally upset at his predicament and genuinely wish him well.
Then there are the voyeurs who would love to see a video of him suffering in his hospital bed.
I suppose in a F1 sense there are some that enjoy the sport and those that like the crashes.
The fact that you are asking the question would tell me you fall into the better category

I would definitively position myself in the 'non-gutterspawn press coverage' follower group.

My concern would be that it is often difficult to differentiate with so many freelance journos and photographers (not to mention the 'have-a-go' amateurs) often not only selling to the highest bidders but sourcing news/images and imagery with bucks in mind. Images (in particular) appear across media not just the old identifiable and reliable red tops - or morally lax youtube embedded channels, with many a previously 'moral' publication having succumbed to the pressures of hit-driven advertising revenues generated through the sneak-a-peek, gore-consuming, casual internet browser...thus generating the appetite & I am a (not always willing) consumer.

For example, I have seen the blood-drenched snow at the alleged site of the accident - I was not looking for it & did not access the daily mail (or worthy equivalent) seeking updates, and particularly not updates of that nature.

I wish Michael and his family the very best outcome from this awful situation, I hope he has a full and speedy recovery. I will be keenly awaiting the next official press release from the medical team, family, management etc. for some positive movements.

Beasty · 10-01-2014 12:54am

Local mods are not online so I'll step in here. I've deleted a few posts. Do not post any unsubstantiated rumours. If you have information from a reputable source provide a link

Thanks

Beasty

Peanut Butter Jelly · 10-01-2014 1:02am

They don't plan days for giving updates, either Sabine just gives a statement or they hold a press conference when Michael's condition changes significantly enough for them to do so. That's the only time there has been word from the hospital. On the Monday, they told us about what had happened that previous night, and on the Tuesday, they told us about the operation to remove the haematoma on the left side of his brain. Since then, there has not been anything except Sabine saying he was stable on Friday. Perhaps, if there's a substantial amount of time elapsed since the last press conference took place, they might hold one just to assure everyone of the current state.

As for them being vague, my opinion on it is that they are putting the statements through the family, or perhaps more specifically, Rolf, Ralf and Corinna since Mick and Gina-Marie are 14 and 16. They won't want all the nitty gritty details out in the public domain just yet, and like I said before, the doctors aren't going to risk saying he'll be ay-ok unless the time comes that they can 100% say so.

11-01-2014 5:26am

My friends said they'd like me as a doctor because of how re-assuring I was. At this stage the news is either going to be excellent or terrible. I don't want to think about how it would be if it's not good news.
Every tick of the clock should have been good news by now.

Myrddin · 12-01-2014 12:29pm

Two weeks today...seems a lot longer

ZiabR · 12-01-2014 9:17pm

Myrddin wrote: »

Two weeks today...seems a lot longer

Yeah its hard to believe alright. I really hope this is going to have a good ending.

fabo1thecross · 13-01-2014 12:01am

God speed. One of the all time great sport stars. Sight that it's two weeks.

robinwing · 14-01-2014 12:29am

Doctors began tests on stricken F1 legend Michael Schumacher's brain today in a bid to precisely locate the area where he suffered massive damage in his pre-Christmas ski accident.

Schumacher has been in a artificially-induced coma for 15 days and remains stable, but critically ill.

The medical team treating him in Grenoble, France, that there are still great fears of "unexpected complications," such as a brain brain hemorrhage and infection, according to reports.

A small part of his skull has been removed in a bid to relieve pressure on his brain, according to a Zurich paper at the weekend,.

Swiss neurosurgeon Frédéric Rossi told the Zurich Tagesanzeiger that the list of dangers from such an op "is long, ranging from swelling to bleeding to the accidental opening of the brain's outer membrane."

Schumacher, 44, was out skiing with friends and his 14-year-old son Mick on December 29 when he fell on to rocks at the French resort of Meribel. He had to be helicoptered to hospital and has been fighting for his life ever since.

His wife Corinna and his two children remain at his bedside in a constant vigil and high-profile figures from the world of F1, industry and showbiz continue to make brief visits to see him.

( written by Don Mackay in the Mirror newspaper today)

Michael Schumacher Suffers Serious Head Injury

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