Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee poll not working - pl ignore

Elmo · 25-06-2020 12:32pm

Biafranlivemat wrote: »

And back in the 80's the RTE budget had to be a fraction of what it is today.
Amazing.

And just think what RTÉ was dealing with in the late 80s early 90s a recession, a cap on advertising, no increase in licence fee (one of the lowest in Europe) and all out strike from workers, introduction of competition.

Yet in terms of Children's content.

The Den
Bosco/The Morgets
2 Saturday morning kids programmes (though largely dropped in the mid-1990s)
The Beat Box/2TV
Jo Maxi (and yes echo island)
Blackboard Jungle

Now I know times have changed but even the amount that they are doing in terms of Animation and more expensive content is much less.

RabbleRouser2k · 25-06-2020 2:04pm

Elmo wrote: »

And just think what RTÉ was dealing with in the late 80s early 90s a recession, a cap on advertising, no increase in licence fee (one of the lowest in Europe) and all out strike from workers, introduction of competition.

Yet in terms of Children's content.

The Den
Bosco/The Morgets
2 Saturday morning kids programmes (though largely dropped in the mid-1990s)
The Beat Box/2TV
Jo Maxi (and yes echo island)
Blackboard Jungle

Now I know times have changed but even the amount that they are doing in terms of Animation and more expensive content is much less.

S@ttitude, Twotube, and a few others emerged (and were silently killed off) in the 2000s. I think once the internet got into everyone's homes, RTE were slow to compete, and have been playing catchup since then. (And failing it too).

There was less animation, but the quality of it was closer to Disney levels than it is now. (I mean, Don Bluth Studios used to be here... and he was a former Disney guy).

Now, the quality is poor, the animation is poor, and it takes YEARS for funding to be gathered, and years more to pay it back. (I went to a filmmaker's discussion on this-it was sad hearing both the love of filmmaking, along with the pain of funding, that went into it... and how you're paying it back for years after).

Ireland is getting more, recognition, for their film/ animation work... but honestly, standards have dropped. There's far better work being done on Netflix, in tv productions, than there is in Irish animated/ film productions.

Elmo · 25-06-2020 2:11pm

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

There was less animation, but the quality of it was closer to Disney levels than it is now. (I mean, Don Bluth Studios used to be here... and he was a former Disney guy).

Now, the quality is poor, the animation is poor, and it takes YEARS for funding to be gathered, and years more to pay it back. (I went to a filmmaker's discussion on this-it was sad hearing both the love of filmmaking, along with the pain of funding, that went into it... and how you're paying it back for years after).

Ireland is getting more, recognition, for their film/ animation work... but honestly, standards have dropped. There's far better work being done on Netflix, in tv productions, than there is in Irish animated/ film productions.

more of an issue with animators who last year over took both TV and film production as the biggest employer (or at least the biggest spender) in that industry in Ireland.

S@ttitude, Twotube, and a few others emerged (and were silently killed off) in the 2000s. I think once the internet got into everyone's homes, RTE were slow to compete, and have been playing catchup since then. (And failing it too).

S@ttitude I was trying to think of the name of that show, from Cork right?

Twotube axed during the overhaul of RTÉ YPP Dept, in 2016 when they promised they were investing in independent producers and not cutting funding. and then cut funding!

RabbleRouser2k · 25-06-2020 3:12pm

Elmo wrote: »

more of an issue with animators who last year over took both TV and film production as the biggest employer (or at least the biggest spender) in that industry in Ireland.

Yup... but once other companies offer to do stuff for cheaper, as is happening now, whilst offering better quality, then the industry here will collapse.

It can take 7 years to get funding for a production (you often hear of the passion projects) and many industries are moving away from certain types of animation, because competition is leading to cheaper, but poorer quality productions.

I followed up on a number of animation productions, done here in Ireland, that snagged a major license deal... the product they delivered was not good, and ended up being dumped on youtube. It was originally meant to air in Canada, the US, and later the UK.

S@ttitude I was trying to think of the name of that show, from Cork right?

Twotube axed during the overhaul of RTÉ YPP Dept, in 2016 when they promised they were investing in independent producers and not cutting funding. and then cut funding!

Yup, 2tube/ Twotube. It's where RTE trained in a lot of new talent (new at the time) like Sinead Kennedy, and Brian Ormond, to name a few.

Some went into production, documentary making etc, others moved on to presenting other shows, and some mightily f**ked up their careers (Brian Ormond, for one).

Elmo · 25-06-2020 4:54pm

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

I followed up on a number of animation productions, done here in Ireland, that snagged a major license deal... the product they delivered was not good, and ended up being dumped on youtube. It was originally meant to air in Canada, the US, and later the UK.

Would be interested in seeing these, did they get paid?

RabbleRouser2k · 25-06-2020 5:49pm

Elmo wrote: »

Would be interested in seeing these, did they get paid?

Yup, but the costs were minimal, compared to the output of the product. Ananimation production can cost about 600-700 000 euros. For a major license, this can be a pretty small loss, despite being major money for a studio.
(In comparison, US productions can cost about 2.5 million euros per episode. But they are also 22 minutes long, compared to the short animation Ireland produces).

If it's s**t,you just dump it on the internet. If its good, you contact the company and maybe ask em 'okay, how much would it cost to do another 13 or 26 episodes?'

Anyways, this was a major announcement about 2 years ago.

http://www.iftn.ie/news/TelecomsNews/?act1=record&only=1&aid=73&rid=4292082&tpl=archnews&force=1

And it sounded like a major coup for them, for real.

Unfortunately... the final product was rather.... not good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEgYDW5SUM4

A planned season 2 was axed before it aired. The animation is even more limited than a Rocky and Bullwinkle cartoon. Like someone booked a team on fiverr to do it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yabba-Dabba_Dinosaurs#:~:text=The%20series%20was%20intended%20to,year%20before%20the%20series%20aired.

RabbleRouser2k · 25-06-2020 6:28pm

Ah fer GOD'S SAKE...

Just seen the ad for the new 'RTE chat show'... Summer at Seven...

Not a single layoff at RTE, but they're happy to peddle out more shows to keep people paid...

sligojoek · 25-06-2020 6:55pm

Turned over to Des Island discs. Heard him on about gender recognition and stereotypes.

Click

Is there any end to it?

Brendan Bendar · 25-06-2020 7:56pm

sligojoek wrote: »

Turned over to Des Island discs. Heard him on about gender recognition and stereotypes.

Click

Is there any end to it?

No Joe, and if you had any sense there would be no start to it.

Now have a cup of Ovaltine and wait for auld turnip head to come on.

Should calm you down.

NIMAN · 29-06-2020 6:27pm

Just hearing on The Last Word that Dee Forbes is to appear in front of some committee to claim they have seen a 35% reduction in income and an increase in costs.

Figures suggest they need €100 - €125 million .

It really is a basket case. As a boss she has failed miserably. If it was the private sector she'd have been shown the door ages ago.

And they will still continue to pay out crazy salaries to not so talented presenters because "They are worth it".

Will these huge losses be discussed on Live Line I wonder?

ShamNNspace · 29-06-2020 6:39pm

I'm afraid I can't see the present government laying much of a hand on them given that they'll want them onside given the hard Road that definitely lies ahead. The Covid bill will have to be paid somehow. Montrose will continue living beyond their means on our buck going forward

mgn · 29-06-2020 7:56pm

RTE is accountable to no one, the can do what the like as long as the play ball with government the know the government cheque is always waiting for them.
Like before this covid 19 Richard Bruton was on the 6.1 News every night telling us how we were going to be leaders in climate change and after that Greta the great got her daily slot, always pushing the government agenda.

Did any Minister ask why the whole sports department were kept on full pay for the last 3 months and no sport, not likely.

Elmo · 29-06-2020 9:05pm

mgn wrote: »

RTE is accountable to no one, the can do what the like as long as the play ball with government the know the government cheque is always waiting for them.
Like before this covid 19 Richard Bruton was on the 6.1 News every night telling us how we were going to be leaders in climate change and after that Greta the great got her daily slot, always pushing the government agenda.

Did any Minister ask why the whole sports department were kept on full pay for the last 3 months and no sport, not likely.

RTÉ are accountable to the Broadcasting Authority of Ireland

mgn · 29-06-2020 9:13pm

Elmo wrote: »

RTÉ are accountable to the Broadcasting Authority of Ireland

Well if the are, there not doing their job either,

Shefwedfan · 29-06-2020 9:35pm

Elmo wrote: »

RTÉ are accountable to the Broadcasting Authority of Ireland

Thats similar to saying that the Banks where accountable to Central Bank prior to the crash!!

The Broadcasting Authority has been asleep at the wheel for many many years

Elmo · 30-06-2020 10:00am

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Thats similar to saying that the Banks where accountable to Central Bank prior to the crash!!

The Broadcasting Authority has been asleep at the wheel for many many years

True but just pointing out that RTÉ are accountable to them much like the other broadcasters.

Shefwedfan · 30-06-2020 10:12am

Elmo wrote: »

True but just pointing out that RTÉ are accountable to them much like the other broadcasters.

Both are accountable to the Government who at some stage needs to step in and put a handle on it

Elmo · 30-06-2020 11:09am

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Both are accountable to the Government who at some stage needs to step in and put a handle on it

The government can't be seen to tell RTÉ what to do that is why RTÉ have a board established by the Oireachtas and why the Department has the Broadcasting Authority of Ireland.

The Oireachatas Committee needs to have a frank and intelligent discussion with RTÉ, TG4 and Screen Ireland.

The Minister and her department needs to have a frank and intelligent discussion with the BAI.

From this the BAI with RTÉ and TG4 need to examine and outline their roles in line with a public service.

While Screen Ireland may need to have oversight from the Arts Council.

Shefwedfan · 30-06-2020 12:03pm

Elmo wrote: »

The government can't be seen to tell RTÉ what to do that is why RTÉ have a board established by the Oireachtas and why the Department has the Broadcasting Authority of Ireland.

The Oireachatas Committee needs to have a frank and intelligent discussion with RTÉ, TG4 and Screen Ireland.

The Minister and her department needs to have a frank and intelligent discussion with the BAI.

From this the BAI with RTÉ and TG4 need to examine and outline their roles in line with a public service.

While Screen Ireland may need to have oversight from the Arts Council.

The government can just say we are not giving you 100 odd million this year.

They can talk to whoever they want to after that but wasting tax payer money should be a non starting position. If Dee Forbes has an issues then she should do her f**king job

Stovepipe · 30-06-2020 12:08pm

mgn wrote: »

Well if the are, there not doing their job either,

They are. The BAI frequently take RTE on about mistakes or complaints from the public and they do the same to the other TV and radio stations. You just dont hear about it from the BAI.

CrankyHaus · 30-06-2020 12:34pm

ShamNNspace wrote: »

I'm afraid I can't see the present government laying much of a hand on them given that they'll want them onside given the hard Road that definitely lies ahead. The Covid bill will have to be paid somehow. Montrose will continue living beyond their means on our buck going forward

This. As long as they're willing to preach Austerity for others, there'll be no Austerity for them. Just look after the last crash.

NIMAN · 30-06-2020 2:08pm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Both are accountable to the Government who at some stage needs to step in and put a handle on it

Many will say that RTE should be autonomous and be allowed to run themselves, but I disagree, as its the Government and taxpayers who are funding them and who will continually have to bail them out when they run up losses.

As an example, the Government sets the amount of money our consultants can earn, and these people are often life savers with vast medical training and expertise, but they can have no say as to how much Joe Duffy or Ray D'Arcy can earn?

Why not?

Elmo · 30-06-2020 2:43pm

The government shouldn't be seen to seem dictate to RTÉ what they can and cannot report on, this is why the Oireachtas Committee should hold that balance, along with the BAI.

Posters are right about the BAI it is toothless largely siding with RTÉ, Virgin Media and the IBI when it comes to complaints from the audience.

The BAI frequently take RTE on about mistakes or complaints from the public and they do the same to the other TV and radio stations. You just dont hear about it from the BAI.

They must transparently show where they have taken on RTÉ, for example they did not say one word about RTÉ's report into the Orchestras, because according to them its outside their remit, sorry folks but when RTÉ over see the Orchestras you oversee RTÉ's orchestras and you should be making an informed statement, if not leading the independent report into them.

Shefwedfan · 30-06-2020 2:58pm

NIMAN wrote: »

Many will say that RTE should be autonomous and be allowed to run themselves, but I disagree, as its the Government and taxpayers who are funding them and who will continually have to bail them out when they run up losses.

As an example, the Government sets the amount of money our consultants can earn, and these people are often life savers with vast medical training and expertise, but they can have no say as to how much Joe Duffy or Ray D'Arcy can earn?

Why not?

If RTE is to be run autonomous then they need to stop running looking for more money everytime they f**k up.

I dont see any attempt by RTE to reduce cost during the crisis. Everyone could tell advertisement would be down etc. But they have done nothing. They should have put in cost cutting measure, instead they continue as is and will hand a big bill to governe,ent

DenMan · 30-06-2020 3:06pm

The second week in a row now Joe Duffy has had people on after being conned and scammed from the Dublin Mint Office (whose headquarters are in the UK). Today he even said it's time for RTE and TG4 to stop taking advertising money from them due to their deceptive tactics used to target elderly and otherwise vulnerable individuals. I hope Dee Forbes was listening in. Maybe it's a big advertising earner for RTE.

Elmo · 30-06-2020 3:43pm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

If RTE is to be run autonomous then they need to stop running looking for more money everytime they f**k up.

I dont see any attempt by RTE to reduce cost during the crisis. Everyone could tell advertisement would be down etc. But they have done nothing. They should have put in cost cutting measure, instead they continue as is and will hand a big bill to governe,ent

RTÉ pretty much stopped funding programme making from independents, almost of all other programmes had been produce well in advance with the exception of TLLS, Covid Nation, Today & Comic Relief. TLLS could have taken a break earlier while Covid Nation was unnecessary, as normal Today is now of the air, while comic relief look like more of Misery = Entertainment.

Like any company their core services are kept up, I would argue that the lack of reform in News cost RTÉ in relation to Covid.

IMO their decision on Home School Hub was good, but only came about because of COVID.

How did I get to become the defender of RTÉ, we really need to discuss who's defending and who's attacking.

Elmo · 30-06-2020 3:44pm

DenMan wrote: »

The second week in a row now Joe Duffy has had people on after being conned and scammed from the Dublin Mint Office (whose headquarters are in the UK). Today he even said it's time for RTE and TG4 to stop taking advertising money from them due to their deceptive tactics used to target elderly and otherwise vulnerable individuals. I hope Dee Forbes was listening in. Maybe it's a big advertising earner for RTE.

The BAI should have been looking at this.

Nevin Parsnipp · 01-07-2020 9:35pm

Lookit ! Can we quit looking at the small stuff ?

Before the Station starts looking for more money from the taxpayer consider this .

The taoiseach of our country who is in a 24hr/365 job with huge responsibility earns approx €275K a year.

A couple of presenters in RTE...Darcy and Duffy who present an hour long program in the afternoon time slot..and are frequently absent are trousering just North of €450K per annum.

There are others ...many others on similiar wedges...and this org is constantly whinging for more money ?

Not sustainable I say ...not remotely sustainable ....

We have a 15% non compliance with the license fee ...waaay too much ....who is addressing that in a meaningful way and avoiding the soft option of increasing the license fee for compliant subscribers .

Who has the nutts to sort this out ...?

Pa ElGrande · 02-07-2020 7:10am

Nevin Parsnipp wrote: »

We have a 15% non compliance with the license fee ...waaay too much ....who is addressing that in a meaningful way and avoiding the soft option of increasing the license fee for compliant subscribers.

The compliance issue is easily solved by making RTE subscriber only. The technology exists to do this and has been successfully implemented by other organisations competing in the market. I strongly object to being forced to pay for bad service I stopped consuming RTE over a decade ago, feedback from my parents who still use the service (inertia and force of habit) indicates the quality of that organisations output has not improved in that period and that the output is mostly repeats and repeats of repeats.

All proposals on the table thus far amount to mandatory taxation where the consumer cannot vote with their money. Today the choice is get rid of the telly if you do not want to pay the tax and I am happy with this arrangement and have used the money saved to take up cycling.

Note that a person taxed at the 50% rate must earn €320 per annum to pay the current RTE tax. Unless you are an RTE shareholder the issue of individual earnings and expenses does not concern you. Based on the rate you pay in taxation and your earnings per hour you can do your own calculations on how many hours you need to work to pay for RTE service and if the number of hours of RTE content you consume justifies this.

If you believe that RTE should provide a "public service" and you want a say in the remunerations of RTE "stars" then you should be pushing for RTE to be converted to a club like the GAA or the UK national trust, this way you can vote on it and many other subjects as a member of the organisation.

retalivity · 02-07-2020 7:26am

Pa ElGrande wrote: »

Today the choice is get rid of the telly if you do not want to pay the tax and I am happy with this arrangement and have used the money saved to take up cycling.

I have done this and i don't regret it. Anything I want to watch I can stream through another medium anyway - Netflix, Nowtv, Youtube etc.

However, I am still included in the 15% as an 'evader' - as it suits RTE to presume that there couldn't possibly be anyone in the country without a TV and needing their services, therefore they must pay.

Idbatterim · 02-07-2020 7:45am

These champagne socialists will be crying their crocodile tears when the budget cuts come , and banging on about their attack on " the most vulnerable " people who have never worked etc ...

The simple thing to do is tell them they live within their means, they just see the taxpayer as the golden goose at the moment

Biafranlivemat · 02-07-2020 7:31pm

The BBC have 450 jobs cuts planned. Why can’t Dee Forbes get rid of 1 job.

Best Quote from the article.
“The BBC is struggling to connect with many British people - especially those from poorer socioeconomic backgrounds, and – even more so - those under 35.
The licence fee, which accounts for around 75% of the BBC's revenue, is under unprecedented political and structural pressure.”

https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-51271168

tallaghtfornia · 03-07-2020 10:47am

I was trying to explain to my friend from HK what a TV licence was and he start laughing at me - this dead organisation needs to be trimmed down and the dead wood god rid of. RTEs model was good 20 years ago now people either dont have cable TV or access to RTE.

Elmo · 03-07-2020 11:11am

tallaghtfornia wrote: »

I was trying to explain to my friend from HK what a TV licence was and he start laughing at me - this dead organisation needs to be trimmed down and the dead wood god rid of. RTEs model was good 20 years ago now people either dont have cable TV or access to RTE.

Unlike other public broadcasters like the BBC (Britain) and NHK (Japan), which are statutory corporations primarily funded by licence fees, RTHK (Hong Kong) is government agency directly supported by annual government funding.

Does your friend know that RTHK is directly funding by the HK Exchequer?

tallaghtfornia · 03-07-2020 11:45am

Elmo wrote: »

Unlike other public broadcasters like the BBC (Britain) and NHK (Japan), which are statutory corporations primarily funded by licence fees, RTHK (Hong Kong) is government agency directly supported by annual government funding.

Does your friend know that RTHK is directly funding by the HK Exchequer?

I never asked his opinion on that no do I care, however I think having to pay a 'licence fee' to own a TV in the year 2020 to keep a few elites happy in D4 is madness.

RabbleRouser2k · 03-07-2020 11:50am

Idbatterim wrote: »

These champagne socialists will be crying their crocodile tears when the budget cuts come , and banging on about their attack on " the most vulnerable " people who have never worked etc ...

The simple thing to do is tell them they live within their means, they just see the taxpayer as the golden goose at the moment

Tbf, many of those in government have never worked either. Rich parents, who covered for them.

Such as the last housing minister, who put up his campaign poster in the spot where a homeless person was paralysed for life.

Elmo · 03-07-2020 12:01pm

tallaghtfornia wrote: »

I never asked his opinion on that no do I care, however I think having to pay a 'licence fee' to own a TV in the year 2020 to keep a few elites happy in D4 is madness.

Do you think it should be funded by the Exchequer like in Hong Kong?

This idea that Ireland is the only country in the world that has a TV licence or public funding broadcasting/media needs to be debunked, at least we know what we are paying to the Licence and largely where it goes, I'd say as taxes become more hidden less and less of the public actually realise that things are paid from taxation.

In a few years time you'll be explaining the licence fee to someone and they'll think we don't fund public service media, when in reality something else will have replaced it.

This isn't defending the licence fee or public spending on a media organisation which is in complete need of reform.

Shefwedfan · 03-07-2020 12:06pm

tallaghtfornia wrote: »

I never asked his opinion on that no do I care, however I think having to pay a 'licence fee' to own a TV in the year 2020 to keep a few elites happy in D4 is madness.

No its not

leoXX · 03-07-2020 3:53pm

At the start of covid 19, the BBC did massive cuts to their local radio stations by bringing in 4 hour shifts across the 7 day schedules, it has now been announced that this is going to become permanent. Compare that to RTE, who
actually beefed up RTE Gold during covid (a channel they claim they are going to close) and have done absolutely no cuts whatsoever, despite claiming to be in financial problems long before covid. Look at the 2fm weekend schedule, 15 DJs doing 2 hour shows.

Kivaro · 03-07-2020 4:10pm

Biafranlivemat wrote: »

The BBC have 450 jobs cuts planned. Why can’t Dee Forbes get rid of 1 job.

Best Quote from the article.
“The BBC is struggling to connect with many British people ........”

RTE believe that they are connecting with Irish people, but the reality is far from it. They are more of a divisive entity in this country than anything else. If they kept their collective noses out of trying to formulate policies that is detrimental to the majority in Ireland, then they would probably find that they would not be so disliked by so many.

There was a thread on AH when Covid started on which businesses people would like to see fail, and RTE was very high on the list. The elites of the RTE quango should ask themselves "Why?".

BloodBath · 03-07-2020 4:20pm

Nevin Parsnipp wrote: »

We have a 15% non compliance with the license fee ...waaay too much ....who is addressing that in a meaningful way and avoiding the soft option of increasing the license fee for compliant subscribers .

That number is only going to increase. Are they going to prosecute everyone? People in Ireland and the UK have woke up to this ridiculous tax.

If neither organisation can find a way to reinvent themselves through a subscription model then they are both doomed.

Stovepipe · 03-07-2020 6:21pm

In France, if you fail to pay the TV license fee, they make you jump thru so many bureaucratic hoops that you will beg to pay it,as they attach it to the property tax, which you absolutely cannot avoid paying in France. It's a sure fire way of making you pay it,as the tax people will give you their undivided attention until you pay it. RTE's collection system is outdated,bureaucratic, incapable of punishing evaders and it costs to much to run itself, so as a collection entity,it doesnt work.

rightmove · 03-07-2020 7:03pm

One answer to all this no more DeeForb rte it should be

Deefund RTE

Elmo · 03-07-2020 7:19pm

Stovepipe wrote: »

In France, if you fail to pay the TV license fee, they make you jump thru so many bureaucratic hoops that you will beg to pay it,as they attach it to the property tax, which you absolutely cannot avoid paying in France. It's a sure fire way of making you pay it,as the tax people will give you their undivided attention until you pay it. RTE's collection system is outdated,bureaucratic, incapable of punishing evaders and it costs to much to run itself, so as a collection entity,it doesnt work.

So replace a outdated bureaucratic system with one that will just make everyone give into the red tape! Let’s reform RTÉ first.

bigroad · 03-07-2020 8:07pm

To be honest there is no system as such anymore.
Internet is the way and this old system of TV licence gangsterism is on the way out and so is the Rte model as we know it.
Pay per view or good night.
The people will not accept this sham anymore.

retalivity · 03-07-2020 8:14pm

I see one of the headlines on rte is the news that they have hired someone to co-present....the news.
Is this an example of cost-cutting by hiring someone they are already paying for to read the news? Or will this results in a sizeable bump for Mr McCullagh? Actually, why do RTE have 2 newsreaders at all? Don't TV3 and the UK channels manage with one?

elperello · 03-07-2020 8:30pm

BloodBath wrote: »

That number is only going to increase. Are they going to prosecute everyone? People in Ireland and the UK have woke up to this ridiculous tax.

If neither organisation can find a way to reinvent themselves through a subscription model then they are both doomed.

rightmove wrote: »

One answer to all this no more DeeForb rte it should be

Deefund RTE

Elmo wrote: »

So replace a outdated bureaucratic system with one that will just make everyone give into the red tape! Let’s reform RTÉ first.

bigroad wrote: »

To be honest there is no system as such anymore.
Internet is the way and this old system of TV licence gangsterism is on the way out and so is the Rte model as we know it.
Pay per view or good night.
The people will not accept this sham anymore.

I've said before on this thread that what we need to do is decide what we want in a TV service and how to fund it.

My preference is for a Public Broadcasting Service that is free at the point of use. A PBS that covers all aspects of our culture and sport, that produces news, current affairs programming and documentaries relevant to Ireland today. An element of light entertainment if it can be sustained.

And to pay for it, I prefer the general taxation model, ie. replace the licence with funding from the public purse. No more evasion or collection costs, everyone makes a contribution. No Government interference with index linked funding channeled through an independent body subject to set deliverables.

Now all we need to do is set up the Broadcasting Commission get a handle on what people really want and do it.

fritzelly · 03-07-2020 8:46pm

elperello wrote: »

I've said before on this thread that what we need to do is decide what we want in a TV service and how to fund it.

My preference is for a Public Broadcasting Service that is free at the point of use. A PBS that covers all aspects of our culture and sport, that produces news, current affairs programming and documentaries relevant to Ireland today. An element of light entertainment if it can be sustained.

And to pay for it, I prefer the general taxation model, ie. replace the licence with funding from the public purse. No more evasion or collection costs, everyone makes a contribution. No Government interference with index linked funding channeled through an independent body subject to set deliverables.

Now all we need to do is set up the Broadcasting Commission get a handle on what people really want and do it.

If it was through general taxation then all these sky high salaries would have to be abolished, no contractors working a full time job (well a permanent job, full time is laughable) so they can screw the taxman
And a host of other things

cameramonkey · 03-07-2020 8:51pm

elperello wrote: »

I've said before on this thread that what we need to do is decide what we want in a TV service and how to fund it.

My preference is for a Public Broadcasting Service that is free at the point of use. A PBS that covers all aspects of our culture and sport, that produces news, current affairs programming and documentaries relevant to Ireland today. An element of light entertainment if it can be sustained.

And to pay for it, I prefer the general taxation model, ie. replace the licence with funding from the public purse. No more evasion or collection costs, everyone makes a contribution. No Government interference with index linked funding channeled through an independent body subject to set deliverables.

Now all we need to do is set up the Broadcasting Commission get a handle on what people really want and do it.

What about dancing with the stars type programing or the fat people losing weight, are they culturally necessary?

elperello · 03-07-2020 8:53pm

fritzelly wrote: »

If it was through general taxation then all these sky high salaries would have to be abolished, no contractors working a full time job (well a permanent job, full time is laughable) so they can screw the taxman
And a host of other things

I expect that everything would be up for discussion.

Having said that I don't believe the issue of presenters remuneration is as big a pot of gold as some think.

Once we have decided what form our PBS should take the rest should follow.

Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

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