How to install a HKC window slimline sensor

tangoman · 26-08-2010 4:36pm

altor wrote: »

Once you plug the dialer on to the board and program it it should work. Can you check to see if you have voltage on the phone line in the panel.

my house phones are working and are through dialler

KoolKid · 26-08-2010 4:36pm

Is caller ID active on you house phone?
You can't send texts if its not.

tangoman · 26-08-2010 4:43pm

koolkid wrote: »

Is caller ID active on you house phone?
You can't send texts if its not.

dont know that will check what if i disconnect the house phone

yes when i ring from my house phone it comes up private number but dont know how to switch it off

KoolKid · 26-08-2010 4:52pm

Its irrelevant. The CLI must be enabled on your line. If you call your mobile from your house phone does the number display?

altor · 26-08-2010 4:57pm

tangoman wrote: »

my house phones are working and are through dialler

Are you sure you have it connected through the dialer correctly ?

If you activate the alarm does it cut off the other phones in the house ?

I have set this up on x directory numbers with no problems.

KoolKid · 26-08-2010 5:03pm

altor wrote: »

I have set this up on x directory numbers with no problems.

CLI has to be enabled on the line from the exchange. You can still be ex directory.

altor · 26-08-2010 5:11pm

tangoman wrote: »

yes when i ring from my house phone it comes up private number but dont know how to switch it off

Did you try activating the alarm to see if it cuts off the house phones ?

tangoman · 26-08-2010 5:52pm

altor wrote: »

Are you sure you have it connected through the dialer correctly ?

If you activate the alarm does it cut off the other phones in the house ?

I have set this up on x directory numbers with no problems.

will try that

how do i activate alarm do i go out of engineer menu and open the door and how do i know if it cuts off the phone and how do i stop the alarm again

altor · 26-08-2010 6:04pm

tangoman wrote: »

will try that

Also go into serial port menu, modem card menu, yes, scroll to the options menu, press yes, scroll to modem options menu. Make sure the text is enabled.

If you dont have a meter to test the voltage, connect the main line into the A/B. Dont connect the out going line to C/D. Close up the lid, come out of engineering and see if you have a line fault on the keypad.

tangoman · 26-08-2010 6:17pm

altor wrote: »

Also go into serial port menu, modem card menu, yes, scroll to the options menu, press yes, scroll to modem options menu. Make sure the text is enabled.

If you dont have a meter to test the voltage, connect the main line into the A/B. Dont connect the out going line to C/D. Close up the lid, come out of engineering and see if you have a line fault on the keypad.

have meter what should voltage be

altor · 26-08-2010 6:19pm

tangoman wrote: »

will try that

how do i activate alarm do i go out of engineer menu and open the door and how do i know if it cuts off the phone and how do i stop the alarm again

Quit, quit, exit engineering. press * + # together on keypad to activate the alarm. Enter your user code to disarm the alarm.

altor · 26-08-2010 6:20pm

tangoman wrote: »

have meter what should voltage be

50 - 54v Disconnect C/D first. Then try A/B.

tangoman · 26-08-2010 6:43pm

altor wrote: »

50 - 54v Disconnect C/D first. Then try A/B.

i am confused now,
went into serial port,modem card menu,options menu,modem options,what next.i have user caller ID no, line share no, ringsB4 ans 00

i have voltmeter so do i connect it across line in and check for 50-54 volts or do i have to disconnect from dialler first and if so do i have to disconnect mains and battery first

if i set off alarm should my phone go dead or engaged sound

altor · 26-08-2010 7:19pm

tangoman wrote: »

i am confused now,
went into serial port,modem card menu,options menu,modem options,what next.i have user caller ID no, line share no, ringsB4 ans 00

i have voltmeter so do i connect it across line in and check for 50-54 volts or do i have to disconnect from dialler first and if so do i have to disconnect mains and battery first

if i set off alarm should my phone go dead or engaged sound

Sorry my mistake, go into serial port menu, modem card menu, yes, scroll to the options menu, press yes, scroll to misc options menu. Make sure the text is enabled.

Disconnect C/D from the dialer, put meter across A/B.

There is no need to disconnect the power off the alarm while doing this.

tangoman · 26-08-2010 7:37pm

altor wrote: »

Sorry my mistake, go into serial port menu, modem card menu, yes, scroll to the options menu, press yes, scroll to misc options menu. Make sure the text is enabled.

Disconnect C/D from the dialer, put meter across A/B.

There is no need to disconnect the power off the alarm while doing this.

well my mistake also found problem i had the line in CD instead AB hope i not caused problem with board

altor · 26-08-2010 7:39pm

tangoman wrote: »

well my mistake also found problem i had the line in CD instead AB hope i not caused problem with board

Easy mistake to make, did you test the text function ?

tangoman · 26-08-2010 7:46pm

altor wrote: »

Easy mistake to make, did you test the text function ?

Yes working what next

altor · 26-08-2010 7:57pm

tangoman wrote: »

Yes working what next

Thats great. No need to contact Eircom

.

Change user code plus engineering code in the user menu.
Change the time and date in the timers menu.

Close up panel and thats you alarm working if there are no faults

tangoman · 26-08-2010 8:17pm

altor wrote: »

Thats great. No need to contact Eircom .

Change user code plus engineering code in the user menu.
Change the time and date in the timers menu.

Close up panel and thats you alarm working if there are no faults

changed time and date
user code this will be my code for disarming alarm yesand 4 numbers
and 5 numbers for engineering code yes.

when i want to arm panel what do i press

if i want alarm on at night and bedroom window open can i do that

altor · 26-08-2010 8:26pm

tangoman wrote: »

changed time and date
user code this will be my code for disarming alarm yesand 4 numbers
and 5 numbers for engineering code yes.

when i want to arm panel what do i press

if i want alarm on at night and bedroom window open can i do that

Correct. The user or engineer code can be 4 digits, up to 6 if you want.
You cant have a 0 in the code plus it cant end in 9.

To arm the panel you enter your user code, to disarm you enter your user code.

0#7 to part arm A, 0#8 to part arm B, enter your user code to disarm.

To have windows off when you part arm the alarm you will need to set this up in the options menu of the zones.

You have two part sets on the alarm 0#7 and 0#8 I would set it up that 0#7 turns off the pirs.

Then setup 0#8 to turn off the zones you want plus the pirs at night. Gives you two options that way.

tangoman · 26-08-2010 8:43pm

altor wrote: »

Correct. The user or engineer code can be 4 digits, up to 6 if you want.
You cant have a 0 in the code plus it cant end in 9.

To arm the panel you enter your user code, to disarm you enter your user code.

0#7 to part arm A, 0#8 to part arm B, enter your user code to disarm.

To have windows off when you part arm the alarm you will need to set this up in the options menu of the zones.

You have two part sets on the alarm 0#7 and 0#8 I would set it up that 0#7 turns off the pirs.

Then setup 0#8 to turn off the zones you want plus the pirs at night. Gives you two options that way.

changed user and engineer codes shall i fit cover to panel next whill in engineering menu and should that put out fault light on rkp.

why 2 part sets and what they for what he difference.
so 7 will be just for pirs and 8 will be just for zones
so how will the pirs turn off if set up 8 at night if they are on 7
when i want to part arm do i enter user code to arm first and then 0#7 or 0#8 to part arm

how does external bell still ring when i disconnect mains and battery at panel where does it get its power

KoolKid · 26-08-2010 9:00pm

tangoman wrote: »

how does external bell still ring when i disconnect mains and battery at panel where does it get its power

It has its own battery on board.

altor · 26-08-2010 9:09pm

tangoman wrote: »

changed user and engineer codes shall i fit cover to panel next whill in engineering menu and should that put out fault light on rkp.

why 2 part sets and what they for what he difference.
so 7 will be just for pirs and 8 will be just for zones
so how will the pirs turn off if set up 8 at night if they are on 7
when i want to part arm do i enter user code to arm first and then 0#7 or 0#8 to part arm

how does external bell still ring when i disconnect mains and battery at panel where does it get its power

Yes it will if there are no faults on the alarm.
This is the way i would set them up.
The first part set will turn off the pir and leave the windows and doors on.
The second one will turn off the pir plus whatever zone you want.

The two partsets are set up by you to what way you want them to work. You set them up in the options menu of zones for the zones plus points option menu for the points.

There is a back up battery in your external bell that kicks in when the power is off.

tangoman · 27-08-2010 3:25pm

altor wrote: »

Yes it will if there are no faults on the alarm.
This is the way i would set them up.
The first part set will turn off the pir and leave the windows and doors on.
The second one will turn off the pir plus whatever zone you want.

The two partsets are set up by you to what way you want them to work. You set them up in the options menu of zones for the zones plus points option menu for the points.

There is a back up battery in your external bell that kicks in when the power is off.

put lid back on panel but orange fault light still on rkp.went into walk test on zones and they said ok t=ok except front door and panic button bedroom which says tam t=ok

KoolKid · 27-08-2010 4:24pm

Does it show any faults when you try and set the alarm. ?

altor · 27-08-2010 5:54pm

tangoman wrote: »

put lid back on panel but orange fault light still on rkp.went into walk test on zones and they said ok t=ok except front door and panic button bedroom which says tam t=ok

If you go into the service menu, scroll to open inputs menu. In here you can check if you have any open zones plus open tampers on the alarm. Scroll between open points/zones and open tampers.

tangoman · 27-08-2010 6:06pm

altor wrote: »

If you go into the service menu, scroll to open inputs menu. In here you can check if you have any open zones plus open tampers on the alarm. Scroll between open points/zones and open tampers.

have 4 open tampers front door, pb bedroom zone8 and panel lid.

front door i did not fit any resistors just two wires,

PB Have to check that again must have done something wrong.

zone 8 is the tamper wires from internal bed but wired it through a junction box so have to check that also

i cant find whats wrong with the tamper from internal bell have the two tamper wires now running direct to tamper on zone 8.i took out link should i have left it in

altor · 27-08-2010 6:15pm

tangoman wrote: »

have 4 open tampers front door, pb bedroom zone8 and panel lid.

front door i did not fit any resistors just two wires,

PB Have to check that again must have done something wrong.

zone 8 is the tamper wires from internal bed but wired it through a junction box so have to check that also

Just wiring issues then. Leave it on the open inputs menu so you can check before you come out of engineering.

tangoman · 27-08-2010 7:03pm

altor wrote: »

Just wiring issues then. Leave it on the open inputs menu so you can check before you come out of engineering.

ok will try later thanks

tangoman · 28-08-2010 12:04pm

altor wrote: »

Just wiring issues then. Leave it on the open inputs menu so you can check before you come out of engineering.

cant find whats wrong with the tamper from internal bell have the two tamper wires now running direct to tamper on zone 8.i took out link should i have left it in

altor · 28-08-2010 12:41pm

tangoman wrote: »

cant find whats wrong with the tamper from internal bell have the two tamper wires now running direct to tamper on zone 8.i took out link should i have left it in

If you close up the internal bell, set your meter on continuity, it should ring. if its not the fault is with the tamper on the internal bell.

The link should come out if your putting it on the tamper side of the zone.

tangoman · 28-08-2010 12:58pm

altor wrote: »

If you close up the internal bell, set your meter on continuity, it should ring. if its not the fault is with the tamper on the internal bell.

The link should come out if your putting it on the tamper side of the zone.

i sorry dont understand.
the internal bell is called a bomb it is a small sealed box with 4 wires coming out red and black and two white,i have wired red + black neg and two tamper wires up to zone 8.

my pb in bedroom is wired the same as in hall but showing tamper.

my front door i have now wired as your diagram for single contact and fitted 2 resistors and now it is ok on tamper but open zone.

am i going crazy

altor · 28-08-2010 1:05pm

tangoman wrote: »

i sorry dont understand.
the internal bell is called a bomb it is a small sealed box with 4 wires coming out red and black and two white,i have wired red + black neg and two tamper wires up to zone 8.

my pb in bedroom is wired the same as in hall but showing tamper.

my front door i have now wired as your diagram for single contact and fitted 2 resistors and now it is ok on tamper but open zone.

am i going crazy

Do the white wires ring if you test it on continuity with a meter ?

Can you post a picture of the wiring you have done, it will need to be a clear picture so i can help you.

tangoman · 28-08-2010 1:15pm

altor wrote: »

Do the white wires ring if you test it on continuity with a meter ?

Can you post a picture of the wiring you have done, it will need to be a clear picture so i can help you.

found problem with bell wall not straight and was not closing the tamper on back of box just front door and pb bedroom now.front door has a contact like your diagram with 5 terminals and i have wired it like that with 2 resistors the tamper ok but now zone faulty.the pb is wired same as the one in hall but still showing tamper

tangoman · 28-08-2010 2:03pm

altor wrote: »

Do the white wires ring if you test it on continuity with a meter ?

Can you post a picture of the wiring you have done, it will need to be a clear picture so i can help you.

fixed pb just front door now cant sort it out

altor · 28-08-2010 5:13pm

tangoman wrote: »

fixed pb just front door now cant sort it out

The front door should be straight forward to do.
One core plus one leg of resistor goes to the first point on the reed.
Two legs of the resistors twisted together go to the other end of the reed.
If there is no tamper on the contact just twist the remaining leg plus core together. If there is a tamper on the contact split them through the tamper.

Change the zone hardware to dual end of line.

Hope this helps..

tangoman · 28-08-2010 6:27pm

altor wrote: »

The front door should be straight forward to do.
One core plus one leg of resistor goes to the first point on the reed.
Two legs of the resistors twisted together go to the other end of the reed.
If there is no tamper on the contact just twist the remaining leg plus core together. If there is a tamper on the contact split them through the tamper.

Change the zone hardware to dual end of line.

Hope this helps..

i was wiring it as with tamper but opened it abd no tamper so wired as you said and now ok. All zones and tampers are now showing ok but the orange fault light on rkp is flashing sometimes

seems to be intermittent fault

altor · 28-08-2010 6:53pm

tangoman wrote: »

i was wiring it as with tamper but opened it abd no tamper so wired as you said and now ok. All zones and tampers are now showing ok but the orange fault light on rkp is flashing sometimes

seems to be intermittent fault

Thats good.

Come out of engineering, if the alarm activates enter your user code and see what it says on the keypad. Let me know how you get on.

tangoman · 28-08-2010 7:34pm

altor wrote: »

Thats good.

Come out of engineering, if the alarm activates enter your user code and see what it says on the keypad. Let me know how you get on.

when i checking tampers there are no faults and after few seconds light flahes three times then stops same in zones.when i quit engineering it says wait a minute then says DMC DETECTED then my phone starts getting text messages then i go back into eng mode to stop it

altor · 28-08-2010 8:17pm

tangoman wrote: »

when i checking tampers there are no faults and after few seconds light flahes three times then stops same in zones.when i quit engineering it says wait a minute then says DMC DETECTED then my phone starts getting text messages then i go back into eng mode to stop it

What does the message say ?

tangoman · 28-08-2010 8:37pm

altor wrote: »

What does the message say ?

tamper external bell tamper

altor · 28-08-2010 9:36pm

tangoman wrote: »

tamper external bell tamper

Two things to look at here.

If you look at the external bell when you wire it there is a resistor in it. One core goes into the BHO, one core goes in with one leg of the resistor in the left side of where the resistor is in the bell.

There is also a tamper that has to sit against the wall. If needs be bend the plate the enables this to work as it must close the tamper. You will see what i mean when you have a look at it.

tangoman · 29-08-2010 11:18am

altor wrote: »

Two things to look at here.

If you look at the external bell when you wire it there is a resistor in it. One core goes into the BHO, one core goes in with one leg of the resistor in the left side of where the resistor is in the bell.

There is also a tamper that has to sit against the wall. If needs be bend the plate the enables this to work as it must close the tamper. You will see what i mean when you have a look at it.

can i switch off digi dialler till i fix problem

altor · 29-08-2010 11:55am

tangoman wrote: »

can i switch off digi dialler till i fix problem

If you delete the phone numbers you have entered this will stop it texting till you fix the problem.

tangoman · 30-08-2010 3:58pm

altor wrote: »

If you delete the phone numbers you have entered this will stop it texting till you fix the problem.

when i open lid of external box the alarm is going off how can i stop it

altor · 30-08-2010 5:25pm

tangoman wrote: »

when i open lid of external box the alarm is going off how can i stop it

There is no way of stopping it unless you disconnect the cable from the panel and disconnect the back up battery in the external bell when you open it.

tangoman · 30-08-2010 5:37pm

altor wrote: »

There is no way of stopping it unless you disconnect the cable from the panel and disconnect the back up battery in the external bell when you open it.

which wires do i disconnect at panel is it the two going to external bell

is there a tamper on lid of external bell and is this what your telling me to bend or is there another tamper is it a metal plate i bend.

can i just open lid and disconnect battery without opening panel and disconnecting from there

altor · 30-08-2010 6:02pm

tangoman wrote: »

which wires do i disconnect at panel is it the two going to external bell

is there a tamper on lid of external bell and is this what your telling me to bend or is there another tamper is it a metal plate i bend.

can i just open lid and disconnect battery without opening panel and disconnecting from there

You should have 6 cores going to the external bell.
Two for tamper.
Two for the strobe.
Two for the external bell.

When you open the external bell the switch for the tamper will open, activating the external bell. It only activates when you open it so I would check to see if your resistor is fitted correctly.
If you want to disable the sound while your working on it I would disconnect it at the panel and when you open it disconnect the battery. If you dont do it this way you may blow a fuse plus you wont be able to stop it sounding until the timer runs out.

tangoman · 30-08-2010 6:15pm

altor wrote: »

You should have 6 cores going to the external bell.
Two for tamper.
Two for the strobe.
Two for the external bell.

When you open the external bell the switch for the tamper will open, activating the external bell. It only activates when you open it so I would check to see if your resistor is fitted correctly.
If you want to disable the sound while your working on it I would disconnect it at the panel and when you open it disconnect the battery. If you dont do it this way you may blow a fuse plus you wont be able to stop it sounding until the timer runs out.

do i have to disconnect all six wires at panel or just two
are thert two tampers in bell one on lid and the other one you are telling me to bend
when i went to open lid of bell the alarm went off and i closed it again does this mean the resistor is fitted right

altor · 30-08-2010 6:23pm

tangoman wrote: »

do i have to disconnect all six wires at panel or just two
are thert two tampers in bell one on lid and the other one you are telling me to bend
when i went to open lid of bell the alarm went off and i closed it again does this mean the resistor is fitted right

If you want it to stop sounding disconnect all the cores plus when you open the bell disconnect the battery.

Without looking at it i would say you have a loose cable with regards the tamper. You say it comes on intermittently so this could be the cause.
If the panel is saying its the external bell then i would have to say check the cable.

The tamper is like a spring with a metal plate that hits off the back wall plus closes when you close the lid, sometimes you need to bend it to get good tamper on the external bell.

How to install a HKC window slimline sensor

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