Greenway Map

riddlinrussell · 25-06-2019 2:42pm

PFitz86 wrote: »

Hi riddlinrussell

how did you develop this map ? and have you got this data spatially - can you pm me would like to know more on the data.

Pulled it together from various sources, gps marked trails, and stuff, a lot of it I just drew on google maps following features on Satellite view, once that was done the majority of the work is just keeping the ear to the ground to discover announcements of new routes, funding for planned routes, new plans, or getting feedback from people on the ground about the various trails that seem to just suddenly get built with zero fanfare, or were actually better than I have marked them on the map before I even started.

If you want you can actually pull all the data down, its fairly easy to get from the map itself.

Ive been asked to do it up in OpenStreetMaps but I haven't had time to learn the interface and its not really up to the accuracy standard I'd want it to be for that.

nilhg · 09-07-2019 11:03pm

Seeing reports from local politicians that Waterways Ireland are to go ahead with the Grand Canal section of the Barrow Blueway (Lowtown to Athy, via Rathangan and Monasterevin), the next step is to seek funding from the Department of Culture, Heritage & the Gaeltacht, I'm presuming with and election not too far away that'll have a decent chance for quick approval.

Good news for our area here, probably a little while more before work starts but hopefully not too long.

nilhg · 24-06-2020 10:20am

Works on the Barrow Blueway to commence on the 15th July, starting at the Athy end.

http://www.kildare.ie/CountyCouncil/PressReleasesAdverts/BarrowBluewayWorks-PressRelease23062020.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

vicwatson · 15-07-2020 11:00am

Map in op not working for me, is there a link to a new map or.... tia

riddlinrussell · 15-07-2020 11:34am

vicwatson wrote: »

Map in op not working for me, is there a link to a new map or.... tia

Still working for me, what happens when you click in?

mr spuckler · 15-07-2020 4:04pm

Works for me too.

JazzyJ · 15-07-2020 5:08pm

I just had a look at this, great stuff.

I did notice a line from Cruagh Woods to Ballyogan. The actual greenway runs from Cruagh Wood (a road in Stepaside) rather than the woods. See the following from DLR co co:

https://www.dlrcoco.ie/en/council-democracy/capital-programme/cruagh-wood-greenway

Hairy Japanese BASTARDS! · 15-07-2020 8:40pm

When will the track be completed from Donabate to Lusk?

Mercian Pro · 15-07-2020 10:26pm

Hairy Japanese BASTARDS! wrote: »

When will the track be completed from Donabate to Lusk?

It's only at a very early stage but you never know with all that money to be spent. Portmarnock to Malahide and Malahide to Donabate are in the queue ahead of it.

vicwatson · 16-07-2020 12:59am

riddlinrussell wrote: »

Still working for me, what happens when you click in?

Goes to google maps and states “couldn’t open map” and gives option to “try again” or “cancel”

riddlinrussell · 16-07-2020 12:04pm

vicwatson wrote: »

Goes to google maps and states “couldn’t open map” and gives option to “try again” or “cancel”

Are you viewing it on iPhone? seems theres a known issue with a possible fix here

https://support.google.com/maps/thread/8806737?hl=en

riddlinrussell · 16-07-2020 12:09pm

JazzyJ wrote: »

I just had a look at this, great stuff.

I did notice a line from Cruagh Woods to Ballyogan. The actual greenway runs from Cruagh Wood (a road in Stepaside) rather than the woods. See the following from DLR co co:

https://www.dlrcoco.ie/en/council-democracy/capital-programme/cruagh-wood-greenway

Thanks, I was wondering about this mystical gigantic cycle route!

KAGY · 02-08-2020 10:49am

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/3435e-ministers-announce-funding-of-45m-to-26-greenway-projects/?referrer=http://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/3435e-ministers-announce-funding-of-45m-to-26-greenway-pministers-announce-funding-of-45m-to-26-greenway-projectsrojects/

breakdown of funding in pdf found in link above. The two biggest are Boyne greenway 750k and sligo/leitrim 400k,

Mercian Pro · 02-08-2020 4:54pm

KAGY wrote: »

breakdown of funding in pdf found in link above. The two biggest are Boyne greenway 750k and sligo/leitrim 400k,

Wow, a lot of potential there. Hopefully, as well as the funding, there will be some analysis done of why schemes have taken so long to get to construction stage and some measures introduced to speed things up.

Corca Baiscinn · 07-08-2020 9:02pm

Mercian Pro wrote: »

Wow, a lot of potential there. Hopefully, as well as the funding, there will be some analysis done of why schemes have taken so long to get to construction stage and some measures introduced to speed things up.

One reason I believe is that cash-strapped councils didn't have funds for all the preliminary stuff needed before something can go to planning, feasibility environmental impact etc. In the 1st round of funding under the Greenway Strategy only "shovel ready" projects got funded and many others stayed "stuck". So then in January this year, Shane Ross announced seed funding to bring other projects to the shovel ready stage and that's the money that was announced last week.
Another reason might be that even if councils have money there seems to be a shortage of engineers or they're all engaged in road projects!

woody1 · 11-08-2020 12:14pm

a lot of forestry work going on on the ballycastle to newport section of the western way , which is supposed to eventually be a greenway to tie in with the great western greenway, hopefully its a start to getting forestry work done and getting on with developing it, 90 percent of the work is done , as its going across an established surface, has serious potential

Grassey · 12-08-2020 12:48am

slides from ballinasloe - Galway greenway meeting last night

Spotted this on FB earlier

Grassey · 12-08-2020 1:12am

https://www.fingal.ie/news/fingal-county-council-commences-part-8-planning-application-harry-reynolds-road-pedestrian-and

Fingal County Council has commenced the Part 8 planning application process for the Harry Reynolds Road Pedestrian and Cycle Route in Balbriggan.

The route forms part of the Greater Dublin Area Cycle Network Plan and will be an important element of sustainable infrastructure within the town of Balbriggan.

Linking several schools and local amenities and serving a large part of the local population, the National Transport Authority-funded scheme would also provide for a future link to the proposed Fingal Coastal Way.

kccamper · 21-08-2020 9:41pm

Not a huge update but there is a section of the Boyne Valley to Lakeland County Greenway completed in the village of Nobber, Co. Meath and another section in Castletown due to be completed in 3 weeks. The plan is to link these two sections initially when funding is secured giving a 10km of the overall 30km route. Navan to Wilkinstown needs work to be carried out by Tara Mines on a water pipe (scheduled for early 2021) before work can start on that section. Long time coming but great to finally see progress, albeit incremental.

22-08-2020 12:07am

Is the railway between Drogheda and Navan still in use? I know it is as far as Platin, but from Platin to Navan? Google maps would suggest it's not over grown like the Navan to Kingscourt one.

Not even sure if that line is connected to the northern mines route form Navan to Kingscourt still or was it ever?

Eamonnator · 22-08-2020 12:28am

Deleted User wrote: »

Is the railway between Drogheda and Navan still in use? I know it is as far as Platin, but from Platin to Navan? Google maps would suggest it's not over grown like the Navan to Kingscourt one.

Not even sure if that line is connected to the northern mines route form Navan to Kingscourt still or was it ever?

Trains still travel from Tara Mines, in Navan, to Drogheda and onwards to Dublin Port.
At night,if the wind is from the right direction, I can sometimes hear the engines ticking over from my gaff.
They seem to park them between Calvary Cemetery and Dublin Road.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xWj03aueGw

22-08-2020 12:46am

I walk the dog along the industrial estate between Johns and Water Wipes after 10 some evenings and hear them chugging along . Used to love as a young lad standing on the bridge on the old Matthews lane making the honk honk gesture at them as they passed

kccamper · 22-08-2020 9:57pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Is the railway between Drogheda and Navan still in use? I know it is as far as Platin, but from Platin to Navan? Google maps would suggest it's not over grown like the Navan to Kingscourt one.

Not even sure if that line is connected to the northern mines route form Navan to Kingscourt still or was it ever?

The Kingscourt line branches off behind Navan hospital. The Tara Mines line originally ran to Kells and then on to Oldcastle but that alignment seems quite affected by private dwellings (still potential for a Greenway but haven't heard of any plans locally). Some interesting info about these lines here@ http://www.navanhistory.ie/index.php?page=railway-stations

22-08-2020 10:29pm

Yeah I was talking to my dad about it earlier as he's from Navan and basically told me the same.

He even remembers getting the train to Bettystown (more likely Laytown) as kid when they still had passenger services to Drogheda and beyond.

Grassey · 23-08-2020 7:30am

Was reading through the new mobility funding and saw these new routes mentioned.

Slang River there is to be an extension of the Slang River Greenway in Marley Park (€156K)

Extension of the Cruagh Greenway to Stepaside Park. This will connect Stepaside park to the green line Luas (€500K)

A new cycleway beside the existing walkway on the Skerries Coast (€125K)

ED E · 23-08-2020 2:51pm

Grassey wrote: »

Slang River there is to be an extension of the Slang River Greenway in Marley Park (€156K)

Slang is a greenway, but compared to any of the others its a glorified local shortcut. Really shoehorned in there.

Ivan1983 · 30-08-2020 11:46pm

Seems to me that Galway's greenway will never happen :-(

riddlinrussell · 31-08-2020 2:44pm

Ivan1983 wrote: »

Seems to me that Galway's greenway will never happen :-(

Very much depends which of the Galway greenways you are talking about! Clifden to Galway is in the works and partially built as it stands, and there seems to be a fair bit of momentum on it.

Galway to Ballinasloe is a different matter, it seems like they might be looking at a more holistic approach than before when they wanted to CPO, which killed the project. They might go for a railside solution, they definitely don't seem to be thinking of using the same route they had planned. That sections outcome may rest on the decision in the Kerry Greenway court case over CPOs.

Ballinasloe to Athlone now seems like it will be a bit of a dogleg down to Clonmacnoise and then up the Ballinasloe Canal, not the most direct route, but if that isnt done before the pedestrian bridge over the Shannon then there might end up being two routes, an indirect and direct to Ballinasloe.

Ivan1983 · 01-09-2020 9:29pm

riddlinrussell wrote: »

Very much depends which of the Galway greenways you are talking about! Clifden to Galway is in the works and partially built as it stands, and there seems to be a fair bit of momentum on it.

Galway to Ballinasloe is a different matter, it seems like they might be looking at a more holistic approach than before when they wanted to CPO, which killed the project. They might go for a railside solution, they definitely don't seem to be thinking of using the same route they had planned. That sections outcome may rest on the decision in the Kerry Greenway court case over CPOs.

Ballinasloe to Athlone now seems like it will be a bit of a dogleg down to Clonmacnoise and then up the Ballinasloe Canal, not the most direct route, but if that isnt done before the pedestrian bridge over the Shannon then there might end up being two routes, an indirect and direct to Ballinasloe.

I didn't know these details, thanks!

mitchelsontour · 03-09-2020 3:21pm

Hi everyone

There is a planning proposal to divert a substantial section of the agreed Tralee-Fenit Greenway route from the rail line and detour through a field near Clogherbrien Bridge near Tralee which we disagree with for a number of reasons.
You can email a submission on the proposal to Kerry Council to ciu@kerrycoco.ie by next Friday September 4th and mark it Tralee-Fenit Greenway (Bawnboy), Tralee, Co. Kerry.

Checkout the https://www.facebook.com/TraleeFenitGreenway/ which has more details.

A pallet making company - Southwest Pallet Production - has taken over part of the old railway and are now looking for the green way to deviate even though they do not own the land or have planning permission building erected on it.

If they are allowed this deviation then it does not bode well for future developments of green ways as it will set precedent.

If you can have a quick read of the facebook post and send an email objecting to the diversion it would help.

riddlinrussell · 03-09-2020 3:30pm

mitchelsontour wrote: »

Hi everyone

There is a planning proposal to divert a substantial section of the agreed Tralee-Fenit Greenway route from the rail line and detour through a field near Clogherbrien Bridge near Tralee which we disagree with for a number of reasons.
You can email a submission on the proposal to Kerry Council to ciu@kerrycoco.ie by next Friday September 4th and mark it Tralee-Fenit Greenway (Bawnboy), Tralee, Co. Kerry.

Checkout the https://www.facebook.com/TraleeFenitGreenway/ which has more details.

A pallet making company - Southwest Pallet Production - has taken over part of the old railway and are now looking for the green way to deviate even though they do not own the land or have planning permission building erected on it.

If they are allowed this deviation then it does not bode well for future developments of green ways as it will set precedent.

If you can have a quick read of the facebook post and send an email objecting to the diversion it would help.

Would set several dangerous precedents, apparently there was no objection made during the public consultation regarding this, so it seems like a post-hoc 'word in someones ear' that utterly ignores the rules, including the rules about what you can do with land you don't own!

mitchelsontour · 03-09-2020 4:15pm

Agreed, I know I was late in posting but any support against such behavior would be greatly appreciated.
So cut todays spin short by 5 min and send in an email objecting to the deviation to Part 8 of the Tralee - Fenit greeway.

If f3ckers like this can get away with it then what hope is there for future developments.

buffalo · 03-09-2020 4:23pm

I stuck my oar objection in there earlier.

It's mad how blatant it all is: https://goo.gl/maps/ooq3ciqast5xELzm9

mitchelsontour · 03-09-2020 4:30pm

Here is what I sent, use it if you need

ciu@kerrycoco.ie

Tralee-Fenit Greenway (Bawnboy), Tralee, Co. Kerry

Administrative Officer, Capital Infrastructure Unit

I am objecting to the proposed deviation to Part 8 - Tralee-Fenit Greenway (Bawnboy) which if allowed will divert the Greenway from the original rail line at Bawnboy, Tralee.

The intended use of the original rail line which is in public ownership is to be converted into a multi use public amenity. This proposal would lead to the loss of integrity of the scheme as a whole if it failed to faithfully follow the route of the old railway line.

As the land is in public ownership the illegal encroachment and building by a business on such land without authorisation cannot be allowed as it would set a dangerous precedent for future initiatives as it would give legal recourse to others and reward those who seek to circumnavigate the legal planning process.

The overall goal of completing a public amenity that will serve the town and surrounding communities for generations to come, should not fall foul to the unethical use of public lands by an individual. It will also add unnecessary delay and costs to a public project that has full planning permission.
Should the deviation be granted it will reflect poorly on Kerry County Council as it will be a failure of duty to properly carry out a project which has full planning permission.

Mise le meas

cletus · 03-09-2020 4:51pm

Done. Hopefully a difference can be made here

Grassey · 03-09-2020 5:26pm

Will sent an email now also.

Ehile in more positive news.

work-begins-on-24-kilometre-south-east-greenway-in-kilkenny.html

keane2097 · 03-09-2020 5:38pm

mitchelsontour wrote: »

Here is what I sent, use it if you need

ciu@kerrycoco.ie

Tralee-Fenit Greenway (Bawnboy), Tralee, Co. Kerry

Administrative Officer, Capital Infrastructure Unit

I am objecting to the proposed deviation to Part 8 - Tralee-Fenit Greenway (Bawnboy) which if allowed will divert the Greenway from the original rail line at Bawnboy, Tralee.

The intended use of the original rail line which is in public ownership is to be converted into a multi use public amenity. This proposal would lead to the loss of integrity of the scheme as a whole if it failed to faithfully follow the route of the old railway line.

As the land is in public ownership the illegal encroachment and building by a business on such land without authorisation cannot be allowed as it would set a dangerous precedent for future initiatives as it would give legal recourse to others and reward those who seek to circumnavigate the legal planning process.

The overall goal of completing a public amenity that will serve the town and surrounding communities for generations to come, should not fall foul to the unethical use of public lands by an individual. It will also add unnecessary delay and costs to a public project that has full planning permission.
Should the deviation be granted it will reflect poorly on Kerry County Council as it will be a failure of duty to properly carry out a project which has full planning permission.

Mise le meas

Stuck one in as well. Looks like lots of people are doing so. Jockey's bollox.

Johnny Jukebox · 03-09-2020 6:13pm

buffalo wrote: »

I stuck my oar objection in there earlier.

It's mad how blatant it all is: https://goo.gl/maps/ooq3ciqast5xELzm9

That's theft of a public resource ! Lobbed in my objection too.

nilhg · 03-09-2020 6:44pm

Threw my objection in as well, can't believe the council are literally going out of their way to ignore a breach of planning and a property grab.

On a happier note work is ongoing on the Barrow Blueway this morning near Ballyteague

Contractors are also working just north of Athy, hopefully a nice bit will be done before winter.

Tigerandahalf · 03-09-2020 7:20pm

Something similar is happening with the Great Southern Trail in Limerick where a farmer built onto the line.

A detour is being made there.

Not sure what happens here. If these people have 'squatted' for a certain period do they end up with some sort of ownership right.

It may be cheaper and quicker for the councils to do the detour.

a148pro · 03-09-2020 7:53pm

nilhg wrote: »

On a happier note work is ongoing on the Barrow Blueway this morning near Ballyteague

Contractors are also working just north of Athy, hopefully a nice bit will be done before winter.

I'm a bit ambivalent about this. I see the benefit in developing these but there are also next to no actual green greenways left? In fairness the stretch north of Athy was hardly aesthetic I suppose.

Looks like the decision was to allow development of the canalside but not the river side? I think that's probably right and will keep everybody (reasonably) happy?

https://kclr96fm.com/planning-refused-for-barrow-blueway/#:~:text=An%20Bord%20Plean%C3%A1la%20have%20refused,by%20Carlow%20County%20Council%20overturned.

https://carlow-nationalist.ie/2020/06/25/work-on-barrow-blueway-to-start-in-july/#.X1E6KshKjIU

nilhg · 03-09-2020 8:44pm

a148pro wrote: »

I'm a bit ambivalent about this. I see the benefit in developing these but there are also next to no actual green greenways left? In fairness the stretch north of Athy was hardly aesthetic I suppose.

Looks like the decision was to allow development of the canalside but not the river side? I think that's probably right and will keep everybody (reasonably) happy?

https://kclr96fm.com/planning-refused-for-barrow-blueway/#:~:text=An%20Bord%20Plean%C3%A1la%20have%20refused,by%20Carlow%20County%20Council%20overturned.

https://carlow-nationalist.ie/2020/06/25/work-on-barrow-blueway-to-start-in-july/#.X1E6KshKjIU

I cycled up the opposite bank, walked across a lock gate to take the picture and went back to my bike and on towards Robertstown, none of which will change. Almost all of the Barrow line canal has towpath both sides, one side will be still green, it will just be a case of having it maintained enough to be usable.

loyatemu · 03-09-2020 9:32pm

as discussed further up the thread, the bit in Carlow was refused permission due to a local campaign against it. It's still cycle-able but it's rough.

04-09-2020 5:46pm

Not really greenway but I saw a piece on the local free newspaper mentioning 153k being allocated for a 'greyway' between Drogheda and Dundalk along the old N1/R132

Not much detail on it that I could find

https://edition.pagesuite-professional.co.uk/html5/reader/production/default.aspx?pubname=&pubid=eb89a4df-82ca-4255-b3ba-e3bfbcabe3b0

On page six , top right.

I could think of far nicer spins than riding that route to Dundalk from here.

Grassey · 04-09-2020 6:08pm

Deleted User wrote:

Not really greenway but I saw a piece on the local free newspaper mentioning 153k being allocated for a 'greyway' between Drogheda and Dundalk along the old N1/R132

A lot of money to slap down some paint and call it job done!

Corca Baiscinn · 07-09-2020 10:03am

Deleted User wrote: »

Not really greenway but I saw a piece on the local free newspaper mentioning 153k being allocated for a 'greyway' between Drogheda and Dundalk along the old N1/R132

I could think of far nicer spins than riding that route to Dundalk from here.

Think the point of the "greyways" isn't a "nice spin" but point to point cycling to get somewhere specific for work/shopping etc. Hence several councils have looked for funding to put them along old or existing N roads.

Corca Baiscinn · 07-09-2020 10:09am

Grassey wrote: »

A lot of money to slap down some paint and call it job done!

Agreed! Have seen comments online from various people in counties where these are planned wondering about the design guidelines. It doesn't look as if the amounts of money allocated would buy any more than paint and maybe a few bike logos so unlikely to attract anyone not using them already.

mitchelsontour · 08-09-2020 4:03pm

Decision on the South Kerry Greenway due in early October from An Bord Pleanála.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-40045268.html

john9876 · 08-09-2020 4:14pm

mitchelsontour wrote: »

Decision on the South Kerry Greenway due in early October from An Bord Pleanála.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-40045268.html

Do I hear the sound of a can being kicked down the road?

what_traffic · 08-09-2020 4:17pm

Corca Baiscinn wrote: »

Agreed! Have seen comments online from various people in counties where these are planned wondering about the design guidelines. It doesn't look as if the amounts of money allocated would buy any more than paint and maybe a few bike logos so unlikely to attract anyone not using them already.

Probably even make it worse, a continuous painted line in a hard shoulder aint no good for the roadies who are cycling on thin tyres.

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