Tesla Model S import VRT?

goz83 · 21-01-2018 3:19pm

Just pulled into northpoint 2. Parked beside a p85 model s for VRT

BigAl81 · 14-10-2018 10:45pm

umbauk wrote: »

I was also concerned by the width before buying but have had no problems with it after driving around Dublin for 3 weeks now....

I have a 3 year old S85 and I can get around 350km at motorway speeds if I'm not trying to conserve battery...

Hi Umbauk,

Just wondering, 9 months later, how do you find the width of the car and the range now? Is it the 85D you have as well?

Thanks,
Al.

macnab · 15-10-2018 12:20am

BigAl81 wrote: »

Hi Umbauk,

Just wondering, 9 months later, how do you find the width of the car and the range now? Is it the 85D you have as well?

Thanks,
Al.

I have had my Model S 85 for a year now. I have gotten used to the width of the car, im still aware of it on certain ocasions like smaller city streets or country back roads at times. As for range, I think the 85 could do 500km if you had the patience and the self control. However I dont do 500km trips so I drive it in a "sporty" manner which will return 300km to 350km.

umbauk · 18-10-2018 8:02pm

Width not a problem at all for me. The only time I notice it is on the rare occasion I'm in a tight Dublin city centre multi-story.

Range is great. On average get 350km on a full charge at motorway speeds.

copeyhagen · 26-06-2019 11:41pm

Reviving this instead of starting a new thread as a lot of the info is still valid.

Why the fook are Tesla not on the ROS vrt calculator by now?!

Looking at 2016/2017 model s at the moment in UK, prices approx 40k sterling for a 85 or 90d.

I presume the OMSP according to revenue will be 60k.

Is there any way of checking how much the vrt will actually be?

This countries an absolute joke

unkel · 26-06-2019 11:47pm

Nope, no way to check. Even if you ask them, they refuse to give you a quote. It's a bad joke alright.

Has always been like this though. There has never been a Porsche on the VRT calculator either...

Bring in the car. Apply vaseline, bend over deeply and pay up a ridiculous amount of money. Some people successfully managed to get some of the money back later in an appeal. Not great though that you have to be raped first.

AmberGold · 27-06-2019 12:18am

copeyhagen wrote: »

Reviving this instead of starting a new thread as a lot of the info is still valid.

Why the fook are Tesla not on the ROS vrt calculator by now?!

Looking at 2016/2017 model s at the moment in UK, prices approx 40k sterling for a 85 or 90d.

I presume the OMSP according to revenue will be 60k.

Is there any way of checking how much the vrt will actually be?

This countries an absolute joke

What's your guesstimate on the VRT? Sorta considering one myself. Good value to be had on 70D's but is that the one to go for?

unkel · 27-06-2019 12:25am

AmberGold wrote: »

Sorta considering one myself. Good value to be had on 70D's

Is there?

Any link to any ad you're considering?

slave1 · 27-06-2019 8:40am

unkel wrote: »

Nope, no way to check. Even if you ask them, they refuse to give you a quote. It's a bad joke alright.

Has always been like this though. There has never been a Porsche on the VRT calculator either...

Bring in the car. Apply vaseline, bend over deeply and pay up a ridiculous amount of money. Some people successfully managed to get some of the money back later in an appeal. Not great though that you have to be raped first.

I've brought in 4 cans from the UK, I appealed all the VRT payments and got hefty refunds each time without question but they were all ICE cars

copeyhagen · 27-06-2019 9:23am

well the VRT is 14%, so its easy enough to calculate the VRT if you knew the ROS open market selling price, which we don't.

slave, how did it work for you, did you just bring in proof of the purchase price vs what their OMSP was on the VRT sheet?

not looking at 70d's tbh, im looking at 85s and 90s.

cheers folks,

Rob

ELM327 · 27-06-2019 9:54am

Someone paid €4500 vrt on a 2015 model S and put photos up here last year

slave1 · 27-06-2019 10:00am

copeyhagen wrote: »

well the VRT is 14%, so its easy enough to calculate the VRT if you knew the ROS open market selling price, which we don't.

slave, how did it work for you, did you just bring in proof of the purchase price vs what their OMSP was on the VRT sheet?

not looking at 70d's tbh, im looking at 85s and 90s.

cheers folks,

Rob

My appeals were to ICE cars, I brought in higher spec models with low mileage then simply went onto all Irish websites and printed off high mileage and lower spec counterparts and suggest to Revenue that their OMSP was off and recalculated the VRT, every time they wrote back saying they accepted my appeal and then week or so later got money back, think it was a cheque and usually around 20-25% of the VRT I paid

copeyhagen · 27-06-2019 10:46am

slave1 wrote: »

My appeals were to ICE cars, I brought in higher spec models with low mileage then simply went onto all Irish websites and printed off high mileage and lower spec counterparts and suggest to Revenue that their OMSP was off and recalculated the VRT, every time they wrote back saying they accepted my appeal and then week or so later got money back, think it was a cheque and usually around 20-25% of the VRT I paid

might not be as easy with the Teslas, as a 90d 2017 can be gotten for 40k sterling in the UK, same car here is bloody 67k on done deal. lol

if a 2017 car had an omsp of 50k here, the vrt would be 7000, so vrt would cost 2k, that's not too bad.

but if I rock in and they say the OMSP is 67000 for a 2017, then the vrt would be 9380 before the 5000 reduction.

this whole not knowing thing is a ****ing joke.

ELM327 · 27-06-2019 10:52am

In fairness, if €2k is a dealbreaker on a £40k/€50k car, is it the right car for you?
If you buy a 2015 tesla it is out of manufacturer warranty (except battery and drivetrain) and say the screen breaks. That's gonna cost you more than €2k, out of warranty!

slave1 · 27-06-2019 10:54am

Agreed, better off looking at a Model 3

AmberGold · 27-06-2019 2:27pm

unkel wrote: »

Is there?

Any link to any ad you're considering?

Couple of 70's on Cargiant for 40K STG, I'm really looking for a 75D or considering buying a new Model 3.

copeyhagen · 27-06-2019 2:34pm

ELM327 wrote: »

In fairness, if €2k is a dealbreaker on a £40k/€50k car, is it the right car for you?
If you buy a 2015 tesla it is out of manufacturer warranty (except battery and drivetrain) and say the screen breaks. That's gonna cost you more than €2k, out of warranty!

well 2500 is better in my pocket than the governments.

im looking at 2017s by the way, so theres 2 years left on everything, with 6 years left on battery and drivetrain.

a new model 3 has a 100km limit on the 8 year warrenty also.

unkel · 27-06-2019 3:46pm

AmberGold wrote: »

Couple of 70's on Cargiant for 40K STG, I'm really looking for a 75D or considering buying a new Model 3.

Both 2016. An early '16 car would be out of warranty in 6 months time. Cheapest '17 on Autotrader is GBP47k

ELM327 · 27-06-2019 3:55pm

copeyhagen wrote: »

well 2500 is better in my pocket than the governments.

im looking at 2017s by the way, so theres 2 years left on everything, with 6 years left on battery and drivetrain.

a new model 3 has a 100km limit on the 8 year warrenty also.

You won't get a 2017 for £40k, I've been following the market for some time but will probably end up going for a new fully loaded M3P instead.

AmberGold · 27-06-2019 5:50pm

ELM327 wrote: »

You won't get a 2017 for £40k, I've been following the market for some time but will probably end up going for a new fully loaded M3P instead.

The more I read on this the stronger the case for a new model 3.

copeyhagen · 27-06-2019 10:31pm

ELM327 wrote: »

You won't get a 2017 for £40k, I've been following the market for some time but will probably end up going for a new fully loaded M3P instead.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201902225187816

there ya go.

Gumbo · 27-06-2019 10:47pm

copeyhagen wrote: »

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201902225187816

there ya go.

I’m sure you are aware that’s a Cat S repaired car.
It suffered structural damage at some point and was declared wrote off.

copeyhagen · 27-06-2019 10:52pm

kceire wrote: »

I’m sure you are aware that’s a Cat S repaired car.
It suffered structural damage at some point and was declared wrote off.

but that means it was repaired by tesla no? as no one else can repair them? or am i wrong?

ELM327 · 28-06-2019 9:12am

copeyhagen wrote: »

but that means it was repaired by tesla no? as no one else can repair them? or am i wrong?

no it could be repaired by any body shop. It should be repaired by tesla but it doesnt have to be.
Imagine trying to get insurance here on a written off tesla?

You;d want to be a fool to buy that

Find me a real tesla (ie a non crashed one) thats 2017 for 40k and I'll show you a dodgy seller or a flying pig!!

copeyhagen · 28-06-2019 11:23am

ah, I was under the impression that only Tesla could repair it or it would lose its warrenty etc for other stuff.

jhegarty · 29-06-2019 10:36am

And it's only pocket change to go up to a new model 3 (that hasn't been written off).

ANewStart · 02-11-2019 9:50am

Bought a 2016 Tesla Model S recently in UK. The other option was a new model 3. Here are my observations and learnings so far. Lots of mistakes to learn from

Bought in Cobham near London. Asking as £41k but got it for £37k. Near perfect condition. 48500km Black.
Negotiated price by phone, planned on traveling and buying on the day, but it became apparent that I had no good way of transferring the money within the day
Instead I went to visit it. Found various websites describing checks on electrics etc, but had no way of checking the battery motor etc. Looked good. Put down a £500 deposit. Flights on the day cost €30. Trains and Taxis cost £45 return to garage
Transferred bulk of the money via Currency fair. Rate I got was 0.5% worse than the top line exchange but I think that’s fair. Need to factor in when calculating price. Transfer went through in less than 24 hours
Traveled a few days later to pick up car. €20 flight, £30 train and taxi to garage
Car was in Valet mode when I got it, meaning I could only go at 70mph, couldn’t use cruise control, couldn’t use maps. The reason given that if the garage transferred it into their name then it would be a 2 owner car. Not sure how true this is but everything else was in order
Need Tesla to unlock valet mode
Drove from London to Holyhead. Stopped twice to charge at super chargers. Great experience I think the previous owner/garage will pay for the supercharge!
Ferry cost €120
Best option for VRT inspection in Dublin was 2.5 weeks delay
VRT people nice but very detailed orientated on documentation requirements. Need to provide 2-3 proof of address. Also need to provide PROOF of PPS number. Had to return several times to get sorted. Need to refer to revenue for VRT price
Wait 2 weeks update on VRT. Inconvenient to be on English plates for so long. Need to update parking app and toll tag to UK plates. Also can’t get easy insurance quote from most websites.
VRT €3.1k. Must pay before you can start a dispute. This is a 37% increase on what I actually paid for the car!!! Will update on dispute later
€30 for new plates
Strictly speaking Tesla won’t unlock the valet mode until you have transfered the ownership with them. How long this will take is unclear. Website info requests totally unresponsive. After threatening to blockade their gate in Sandyford the local guys agreed to unlock the Valet mode for €80.
transfer came in a few days later - 6 days after request
Came with type 2 connector while Model 3 would have come with CCS connector (this is the connector that is most common on fast chargers in Ireland). Still waiting on a service date but will need topay €550 to get this changed
Can’t look into getting an SEAI grant for a charger until I have Irish plates… so not sure yet. Will update. In the meantime I just put in a 32A plug, which cost €4.50 on amazon and €50 for required fuses and is great. Not sure if I will bother getting tesla charger plug
Car turns out to have rated range now which is 20km less than it’s original rated range, whihc seems reasonable

I do a lot of driving for work, regularly driving to Cork industrial zones and back in a day. I start in D6 in Dublin. I generally drive at 125kmph. To do it I need to stop for 25 min at Ballacolla on the way down and 10 min on the way back. Bring on a charger Cork and I’d say 1X25 min stop will do the job.
Also… travelling to Galway is now a hassle. Need the charger in Athenry to open

A note I didn't realise for nubies. The less charge your car has the faster the super charger will charge it. So near empty it will charge at a 450kmph rate. At half full it will charge at 250kmph. So you want the super charger as far from your starting as possible

The rated range is now 444km. The typical range it claims is 370km. if you drive at 110kmph your might get close to that. At 125kmph you ger about 300km

Total Costs €

Car 41.5k
London Travel 0.14k
Ferry 0.12
VRT 3.1k (TBC)
Plates 0.03
Valet Unlock 0.08
CCS 0.55

Total 45.52

Total Costs days

2 days to London
0.25 days in Tesla
0.25 days arguing on phone about unlocking
0.25 VRT

Total 2.75 days

Learnings

Should have got a mechanic to look at car initially rather than traveling myself. I mean what do I really know about cars? There are professional companies who do this sort of thing. Also my day is more valuable than this
Should have bought closer to Holyhead (If I was going to drive home)
Should have paid for someone to bring it home. My day is more valuable than this
Should have factored in the fact that a normal person can’t buy sterling at the headline rate your see on the news. Also it is hard to transfer sterling and have it received on the day
I bought from a small garage and they didn’t have experience of foreign buyers. That meant they weren’t happy to take a bank draft. Perhaps I should have bought from a garage with more experience of foreigners.
In practice the extra costs have been far more and the number of days required have been more than I like, and dealing with VRT/Revenue is a massive irritation to someone like me

That said I’m very happy with the car. It is great. And if revenue are correct… I got a great deal!

krissovo · 02-11-2019 10:01am

There is nothing stopping you applying for the SEAI grant with an English reg. They will approve but will not pay until the plates are changed and you send them the documents & photo of the car charging.

zoom_cool · 02-11-2019 10:22am

What type of battery size of model s?

Doc el brown · 02-11-2019 10:48am

Lovely breakdown there. This will surely help other travelling across the water. Fair play to you. Thanks

BigAl81 · 02-11-2019 10:58am

Great report, thanks for that. Any tips for haggling 4000 sterling of the list price!!?

Sabre Man · 02-11-2019 12:20pm

Very strange to sell/deliver a car with valet mode on.

slave1 · 02-11-2019 2:54pm

ANewStart wrote: »

Learnings
Should have got a mechanic to look at car initially rather than traveling myself. I mean what do I really know about cars? There are professional companies who do this sort of thing. Also my day is more valuable than this

Should have bought closer to Holyhead (If I was going to drive home)

Should have paid for someone to bring it home. My day is more valuable than this

Should have factored in the fact that a normal person can’t buy sterling at the headline rate your see on the news. Also it is hard to transfer sterling and have it received on the day

I bought from a small garage and they didn’t have experience of foreign buyers. That meant they weren’t happy to take a bank draft. Perhaps I should have bought from a garage with more experience of foreigners.

In practice the extra costs have been far more and the number of days required have been more than I like, and dealing with VRT/Revenue is a massive irritation to someone like me

Not sure if there are many companies that will inspect or give battery report on an EV, was no one doing it when I brought in my Leaf.
Wouldn't worry about being closer to Holyhead, it's only a few hours and time to get used to the car, certainly would not be a deal factor for me.
Last time I checked, London to Dublin would be about €400 but that depends on London location/congestion area so upside is you saved enough to almost pay for your CCS switch.
Great review, nice to see the learnings piece.
Enjoy your car mate, pics?

Gumbo · 02-11-2019 5:16pm

BigAl81 wrote: »

Great report, thanks for that. Any tips for haggling 4000 sterling of the list price!!?

Non Tesla dealer.
Sound alike a small independent garage.
I’d say they wanted rid of it to be honest.

Gumbo · 02-11-2019 5:17pm

slave1 wrote: »

Not sure if there are many companies that will inspect or give battery report on an EV, was no one doing it when I brought in my Leaf.
Wouldn't worry about being closer to Holyhead, it's only a few hours and time to get used to the car, certainly would not be a deal factor for me.
Last time I checked, London to Dublin would be about €400 but that depends on London location/congestion area so upside is you saved enough to almost pay for your CCS switch.
Great review, nice to see the learnings piece.
Enjoy your car mate, pics?

+1
I posted a reply to this post in the other thread. I got a car delivered from London in January. €400 exactly.

ANewStart · 02-11-2019 6:19pm

BigAl81 wrote: »

Great report, thanks for that. Any tips for haggling 4000 sterling of the list price!!?

nope. did nothing special. I'm sure you could do better.

markpb · 02-11-2019 9:08pm

What warranty is on that car?

unkel · 02-11-2019 10:28pm

Well wear!

ANewStart wrote: »

I do a lot of driving for work, regularly driving to Cork industrial zones and back in a day. I start in D6 in Dublin. I generally drive at 125kmph. To do it I need to stop for 25 min at Ballacolla on the way down and 10 min on the way back.

That's a bit of a pain. But I can see why this is the case. Ballacolla is only about 100km from Dublin. So you will have used only about a quarter of your capacity. But you won't make it to Cork and then back to Ballacolla again, so you will have to charge until nearly full (which is very slow in most EVs). And then on the way home you will have to do a quick top up to actually make it home

Ballcolla is about the worst possible location for someone with a Tesla doing a Dublin to Cork return trip

Once you have the CCS conversion you can drive to Cork with no charging stop and on the way back charge up at Ionity Cashel for not much more than 10 minutes. That's all :cool:

ANewStart · 03-11-2019 12:28pm

markpb wrote: »

What warranty is on that car?

1 year from the garage, what ever was left with Tesla (til may 2020 on car and may 2024 on battery I think)

ANewStart · 03-11-2019 12:29pm

unkel wrote: »

Well wear!

That's a bit of a pain. But I can see why this is the case. Ballacolla is only about 100km from Dublin. So you will have used only about a quarter of your capacity. But you won't make it to Cork and then back to Ballacolla again, so you will have to charge until nearly full (which is very slow in most EVs). And then on the way home you will have to do a quick top up to actually make it home

Ballcolla is about the worst possible location for someone with a Tesla doing a Dublin to Cork return trip

Once you have the CCS conversion you can drive to Cork with no charging stop and on the way back charge up at Ionity Cashel for not much more than 10 minutes. That's all :cool:

Good idea, thanks

ELM327 · 04-11-2019 10:27am

I would not have bought with valet mode on.
I hope you called Tesla to confirm the car wasn't stolen?

ANewStart · 04-11-2019 11:45am

ELM327 wrote: »

I would not have bought with valet mode on.
I hope you called Tesla to confirm the car wasn't stolen?

yes, all is well with it. just inconience for the first few days of ownership

ELM327 · 04-11-2019 11:55am

Great!
I'm collecting mine from Tesla tomorrow!
There seems to be a lot of people in the past 3 months on here buying used model S from the UK.. I'm happy I'm still going to be the first Tesla at the work charger!

rfitzg · 04-11-2019 12:27pm

Great post thanks for sharing. I just brought a beautiful CPO red Model S 100D home from Tesla Manchester and had a great experience. I'm loving the car but just waiting for Revenue to send me my VRT bill. I'll post full details of the purchase on here as soon as the VRT is sorted. I've been reading helpful posts about importing a Tesla for nearly 3 years now so hopefully more of these will help others to get their dream car!

rfitzg · 04-11-2019 12:30pm

ELM327 wrote: »

Great!
I'm collecting mine from Tesla tomorrow!
There seems to be a lot of people in the past 3 months on here buying used model S from the UK.. I'm happy I'm still going to be the first Tesla at the work charger!

Congrats! If its not too late I'd recommend ticking the box on the Irish Ferries booking (assuming you're taking her home on the Ulysses) for the FREE EV charging on-board. I did and they waved me up to the top of the queue and got special parking as well as one of first to off-board in Dublin. Just make sure you de-activate the alarm as the ship motion always sets off the Tesla alarm. You can't go to the car deck after the ship leaves port.

ELM327 · 04-11-2019 1:04pm

rfitzg wrote: »

Great post thanks for sharing. I just brought a beautiful CPO red Model S 100D home from Tesla Manchester and had a great experience. I'm loving the car but just waiting for Revenue to send me my VRT bill. I'll post full details of the purchase on here as soon as the VRT is sorted. I've been reading helpful posts about importing a Tesla for nearly 3 years now so hopefully more of these will help others to get their dream car!

Same place I'm going tomorrow!

rfitzg wrote: »

Congrats! If its not too late I'd recommend ticking the box on the Irish Ferries booking (assuming you're taking her home on the Ulysses) for the FREE EV charging on-board. I did and they waved me up to the top of the queue and got special parking as well as one of first to off-board in Dublin. Just make sure you de-activate the alarm as the ship motion always sets off the Tesla alarm. You can't go to the car deck after the ship leaves port.

Yes I've done that, I thought it was a type 1 tethered charger so not useful for the Tesla?
Worthwhile even for the free priority offboarding I guess :P

I'm booked on the 855pm back so it will be a late one.

rfitzg · 04-11-2019 1:16pm

ELM327 wrote: »

Same place I'm going tomorrow!

Yes I've done that, I thought it was a type 1 tethered charger so not useful for the Tesla?
Worthwhile even for the free priority offboarding I guess :P

I'm booked on the 855pm back so it will be a late one.

Cool. Its a nice trip (in good weather!

) so enjoy. The charger I got (on deck number 7 if I recall) was Type 2 you just have to use your own charging cable. Worked great.

ELM327 · 04-11-2019 3:28pm

So apparently my insurance company won't cover me to drive a UK reg car in the UK, (Patronas through Brittons insurance)
Has anyone else seen this issue?

unkel · 04-11-2019 4:02pm

What? I've never had a problem with that, my insurers do insist I get the car on Irish plates within 30 days of the insurance starting (when I pick up the car in the UK on UK plates to drive it home) and they need to be update with the Irish reg as soon as I put up the Irish plates, which is reasonable.

I take it you have flight / ferry booked at this stage? I'd ring your broker again, there must be a solution here.

ELM327 · 04-11-2019 4:08pm

Yes they are going to call me back. Have flights, ferry etc all booked
Never heard of it before either, I've had cars on US plates insured here once they are vrtd within the 30 days there's never an issue.

Going to see what happens when they call me back - may have to cancel the policy and take out a new one.

Tesla Model S import VRT?

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