Tesla Model S import VRT?

rfitzg

I rang lots of insurers to get me covered for the trip from Manchester to Holyhead but only 123.ie covered me and were at the races price-wise. Cost me less to insure a 2017 Model S 100D than my old 2013 BMW 520 GT. Would highly recommend 123.ie for any Tesla owners.

Mc-BigE

when do you think we will see second hand model 3s available in the UK , 1 or 2 years from now or sooner?

now that the revenue have stopped the SEAI for companies, there is no difference for me to buy in UK or here, (correct me of im wrong)

pdpmur

Mc-BigE wrote: »

when do you think we will see second hand model 3s available in the UK , 1 or 2 years from now or sooner?

now that the revenue have stopped the SEAI for companies, there is no difference for me to buy in UK or here, (correct me of im wrong)

https://tesla-info.com/UK/inventory.html

Available second-hand now, from £39k

Mc-BigE

pdpmur wrote: »

https://tesla-info.com/UK/inventory.html

Available second-hand now, from £39k

thanks for that, whats the VRT on a 40Kstg tesla model 3 (or any tesla for that matter), no info up on the vrt calculator.
will they even give you a price over the phone on that red 39K car on autotrader?

pdpmur

Mc-BigE wrote: »

thanks for that, whats the VRT on a 40Kstg tesla model 3 (or any tesla for that matter), no info up on the vrt calculator.
will they even give you a price over the phone on that red 39K car on autotrader?

This is a good starting point: https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/moving_to_ireland/coming_to_live_in_ireland/importing_car_into_ireland.html#lf752b

Currently the VRT rates for an ev is 14%, based on what Revenue deems to be "Open Market Selling Price" (OMSP) - i.e. what Revenue deems to be the Irish price of an equivalent new car, minus depreciation (age, mileage).
https://www.revenue.ie/en/tax-professionals/tdm/vehicle-registration-tax/vrt-manual-section-08.pdf

The VRT amount is currently subject to a a €5k rebate for an ev.
https://www.revenue.ie/en/importing-vehicles-duty-free-allowances/guide-to-vrt/calculating-vrt/electric-and-hybrid-vehicles.aspx

Be aware also that for cars less than 6 months old or with less than 6k km, Revenue deem such cars to be "new"
https://www.revenue.ie/en/importing-vehicles-duty-free-allowances/guide-to-vrt/calculating-vrt/vat-and-customs-duty.aspx

unkel

How did it go ELM427, I presume you got your Tesla?

Just saw last night that James May bought a brand new Model S Raven recently. He has owned a BMW i3 since they first came out in the UK.

ELM327

Yes , got it, not without some issues... least of which the car is not charging on DC. Have booked service through the app (thankfully its a cpo car so i will have warranty!) but am charging at Navan FCP on AC right now and catching up on work emails.

Will probably do a full writeup later as I had a very interesting experience!

unkel

Can't wait for the update! Can I be the first to wish you well wear

Gumbo

ELM327 wrote: »

Yes , got it, not without some issues... least of which the car is not charging on DC. Have booked service through the app (thankfully its a cpo car so i will have warranty!) but am charging at Navan FCP on AC right now and catching up on work emails.

Will probably do a full writeup later as I had a very interesting experience!

Seen it on the FB group (I think).
Lovely car.

Do you think the DC charging issue is to do with the CCS upgrade? Was it charging at Superchargers? Great that you made it back anyway and congratulations and I wish I was charging in Navan in a Model S, DC or not.

ELM327

samih wrote: »

Do you think the DC charging issue is to do with the CCS upgrade? Was it charging at Superchargers? Great that you made it back anyway and congratulations and I wish I was charging in Navan in a Model S, DC or not.

I think they didnt configure it correctly after doing the CCS upgrade. Am going to try the hard reset the chap in the facebook group mentioned.. have a service appt booked for a couple of weeks.


Had not tried a supercharger.

tw0nk

I second unkels comment, congrats and best of luck with the S ELM327, really looking forward to the full story if you decide to write it up, don't worry about the teething issues, will all get sorted.

ELM327

tw0nk wrote: »

I second unkels comment, congrats and best of luck with the S ELM327, really looking forward to the full story if you decide to write it up, don't worry about the teething issues, will all get sorted.

Cheers, have posted a separate thread with my experiences so far.
Will be interesting to see what happens with the DC issue. I'm glad of buying direct from Tesla as it will be covered under the CPO warranty!


I'd be super annoyed if I had bought from a private seller and this issue happened as I could be out of pocket.

lobbylad

Hi all,

Been thinking about a Tesla S 2nd hand, test drove a 161 reg yesterday - amazing!! (S70D)

I'm probably only able to afford a 14/15 year model, what are peoples opinions on battery life?

I see a lot of UK ads for warranty up to end 2023 (or thereabouts). What happens then? Have the batteries a shelf life?

What are the main points in looking at a 2nd hand, espcecially if the mileage is up around the 100,000Kms?

Sabre Man

lobbylad wrote: »

Hi all,

Been thinking about a Tesla S 2nd hand, test drove a 161 reg yesterday - amazing!! (S70D)

I'm probably only able to afford a 14/15 year model, what are peoples opinions on battery life?

I see a lot of UK ads for warranty up to end 2023 (or thereabouts). What happens then? Have the batteries a shelf life?

What are the main points in looking at a 2nd hand, espcecially if the mileage is up around the 100,000Kms?

Most of the battery degradation occurs early on.

macnab

Check all the recall work has been done. Check that the touchscreen is responsive. Check all door handles operate correctly.
I will be selling my 142 reg S85 soon as I am buying a new m3.
It does not have Auto Pilot. PM me if you are interested.
Located in Meath.

drunkmonkey

Did everyone importing get the full 5k SEAI grant, any bothers? How's the VRT, as expected?

unkel

You don't get any SEAI grant if you import an EV (new or second hand). You only get it if you buy a brand new one from an Irish dealer (as a private buyer)

VRT is 14% over the OMSP minus €5k discount. They determine the OMSP, you have to just pay up (and then later you can appeal it, a lot of people get money off). You can't get a quote of an OMSP unless it is in the calculator (Teslas are not). Hit and miss!

drunkmonkey

That's what I reconed on the SEAI grant thought I read it earlier in this thread someone saying you could apply for the seai grant while waiting on VRT, can't see it now.

A C reg silver one shot up the inside of me in cork the other day, really liked the colour, think 161 or 181...

ELM327

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Did everyone importing get the full 5k SEAI grant, any bothers? How's the VRT, as expected?

No SEAI grant


Went for VRT appointment last saturday, and as expected the details have to be sent to Revenue and I am awaiting the call

jhegarty

drunkmonkey wrote: »

That's what I reconed on the SEAI grant thought I read it earlier in this thread someone saying you could apply for the seai grant while waiting on VRT, can't see it now.

A C reg silver one shot up the inside of me in cork the other day, really liked the colour, think 161 or 181...

That may be the home charger grant. That's also from seai.

copeyhagen

vrt last week,

2015 model s 90d
152 reg
vrt was 3500 after the 5k, so vrt was 8500 total. **took them 10 days to come back with a price btw!!
OMSP was 62k euro so.
I paid 1k euro.

will be appealing. also charged 150 fine for not getting vrtd within 30 days, even though I booked the vrt BEFORE I picked the car up, knowing there was a waiting list.

the vrt employee did tell me I was guaranteed that back, regardless of my overall appeal.

lesson, revenue is a joke, bend over, take it then try fight afterwards...

ELM327

copeyhagen wrote: »

vrt last week,

2015 model s 90d
152 reg
vrt was 3500 after the 5k, so vrt was 8500 total. **took them 10 days to come back with a price btw!!
OMSP was 62k euro so.
I paid 1k euro.

will be appealing. also charged 150 fine for not getting vrtd within 30 days, even though I booked the vrt BEFORE I picked the car up, knowing there was a waiting list.

the vrt employee did tell me I was guaranteed that back, regardless of my overall appeal.

lesson, revenue is a joke, bend over, take it then try fight afterwards...

Well that's a joke.
I had my appointment booked within 7 days and attended within 28 days as per legislation. Not my issue if they don't have the code.

markpb

copeyhagen wrote: »

also charged 150 fine for not getting vrtd within 30 days, even though I booked the vrt BEFORE I picked the car up, knowing there was a waiting list.

How did this work with your insurer? Most only offer a 30 day policy on import plates.

AmberGold

copeyhagen wrote: »

vrt last week,

2015 model s 90d
152 reg
vrt was 3500 after the 5k, so vrt was 8500 total. **took them 10 days to come back with a price btw!!
OMSP was 62k euro so.
I paid 1k euro.

will be appealing. also charged 150 fine for not getting vrtd within 30 days, even though I booked the vrt BEFORE I picked the car up, knowing there was a waiting list.

the vrt employee did tell me I was guaranteed that back, regardless of my overall appeal.

lesson, revenue is a joke, bend over, take it then try fight afterwards...

I brought in a 182 75d, EAP, Metallic, Premium Spec with 6k miles on back in September, Revenue valued it at 86K so VRT was 7K which I wasn’t best pleased about at the time.

Waited 2 months until a few decent examples of secondhand / demo models came up and challenged the VRT, received a refund of 3k. Promptly paid I might add.

unkel

How much you pay for it, AmberGold? €4k VRT is sweet whatever you paid!

€86k OMSP is ridiculous for a 1 year old second hand 75D as you now have the long range 100D for €89k brand new

drunkmonkey

Does the free supercharging for life stay with the car if you import? A lot of the UK ones seem to have it.

unkel

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Does the free supercharging for life stay with the car if you import?

Yes it does.

Has almost zero value in Ireland for most owners, except of course when you take your car on long holidays on the continent regularly.

Sabre Man

unkel wrote: »

Yes it does.

Has almost zero value in Ireland for most owners, except of course when you take your car on long holidays on the continent regularly.

It will get more useful over time as more and more superchargers crop up.

AmberGold

unkel wrote: »

How much you pay for it, AmberGold? €4k VRT is sweet whatever you paid!

€86k OMSP is ridiculous for a 1 year old second hand 75D as you now have the long range 100D for €89k brand new

£53k off a dealer with a GardX thrown in, spoke to the previous owner who gave it the thumbs up.

Rate was good at the time, as far as I remember in the region of 1.07-1.11 between the few transactions to get the cash across. Would cost an extra 4k or so on the fx now.

drunkmonkey

unkel wrote: »

Yes it does.

Has almost zero value in Ireland for most owners, except of course when you take your car on long holidays on the continent regularly.

I pass birdhill most weekends during the Summer, balacolla isn't very far away and if there was one anywhere near cork i'd use it a lot.
I assume it is what I think it is, free charging? No strings attached, excuse the pun.

unkel

AmberGold wrote: »

£53k off a dealer

Nice. The more I think of it, the more I reckon it will be the car for me (pending other suitable cars that seem to be years away still). Will have to see how much of a Model S I can / should buy for what sort of money. Forcing myself to stay on the fence here

Sabre Man wrote: »

It will get more useful over time as more and more superchargers crop up.

Even if you filled up with 50kWh every week, that would be a saving of about €200 per year compared with charging at home. A bit meh. I save more on the M50 toll discount alone, and I don't even commute through it

If you didn't have and couldn't get home or work charging and there were superchargers everywhere and you do a lot of driving, it would start to save more serious money (like on the continent)

KCross

unkel wrote: »

Nice. The more I think of it, the more I reckon it will be the car for me (pending other suitable cars that seem to be years away still). Will have to see how much of a Model S I can / should buy for what sort of money. Forcing myself to stay on the fence here

I havent been folllowing Model S prices in the UK but has it followed your predictions of a sharp fall since Model 3's started being delivered or are they still holding firm?

unkel

Model 3 has only just started being delivered in the UK. Have to give it until April / May (for new reg sales over there) to see what sort of impact it is having (if any)

All of this is not good when one is not a patient man to start with

drunkmonkey

There holding value well compared to other luxury sedans. 7 series of the same year and probably similar cost new don't hold half as well, I wonder if there's many to come off fleet and lease in the UK, that would have a major impact on value, it's what kills the prices of similar.
They sold 4476 model s and x in 2017, can't find a solid figure for 2016 but roughly 3000, and 3372 in 2018.
Those 16 and 17's should start to filter through first half of next year I'd guess, hopefully see 7 series prices then.

ELM327

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Does the free supercharging for life stay with the car if you import? A lot of the UK ones seem to have it.

only if it's with the car and not with the driver.
You can see in the owner's "My Tesla" account which one he has.

rfitzg

I had the exact same issue. I booked my VRT inspection within 12 hours of getting car off the ferry yet they still charged me €225 penalty for being "late". This is despite the fact I called Revenue twice chasing my valuation and was told they were very busy ATM but "don't worry you won't get penalised as its not your fault". No amount of arguing with them or NCT guys would remove the crazy penalty. I was told "its just automatic in the system so you have to pay it then appeal it and you *should* get it back if you can prove it wasn't your fault"!!!

I actually had to count to ten and take a few deep breaths when I heard this. Absolutely unbelievable carry on. They also reminded me it could take "up to 6 months to get it refunded". I'm hoping it won't take that long but the absurdity of punishing people and taking not a small amount of cash off them through no fault of theirs is utterlly mind blowing. No one I spoke with in Revenue or NCT seemed to be bothered in the slightest...

Thankfully its not something I plan to do very often

drunkmonkey

ELM327 wrote: »

only if it's with the car and not with the driver.
You can see in the owner's "My Tesla" account which one he has.

Do Tela give you free supercharging if you buy used direct from them, no mention on it, most of the private and garage sales seem to have it.

jhegarty

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Do Tela give you free supercharging if you buy used direct from them, no mention on it, most of the private and garage sales seem to have it.

I believe they now remove it from used sales, when bought direct from Tesla.

air

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Do Tela give you free supercharging if you buy used direct from them, no mention on it, most of the private and garage sales seem to have it.

They remove it as part of their CPO program.

drunkmonkey

air wrote: »

They remove it as part of their CPO program.

Warranty is saucy outside of Tesla and it looks like something that you need.

This is on a 161 from donedeal.

copeyhagen

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Does the free supercharging for life stay with the car if you import? A lot of the UK ones seem to have it.

no it doesn't if you buy from tesdla themselves they remove it (haven't checke d yet) - if you buy private or from regular dealer you keep it. its only cars that go back through tesla themselves

markpb wrote: »

How did this work with your insurer? Most only offer a 30 day policy on import plates.

was grand, we have a work broker with allianze.

ELM327 wrote: »

Well that's a joke.
I had my appointment booked within 7 days and attended within 28 days as per legislation. Not my issue if they don't have the code.

that's what I said, I booked my appointeent before I even bought the car! they said in the vrt office that its a revenue system and they don't have the access to remove it, you HAVE to pay it there and then and claim that back

wcooba

So interestingly all CPO MS disappeared from Tesla UK website. There is also rather depressing discussion on TMC - some people seem to pay 4k CPO deposit 60+ days ago and still haven't received their cars...

Dublin2017

Hi all, just finished importing my model 3 from UK and thought I'd share the experience as I couldn't find any concrete answers online. Love the car it's my 2nd tesla sold my ms p90d in cork and bought a model 3 performance.

1. Bought the car online from a dealer in Strafford upon Avon.
2. It was in August so couldn't travel to view the car but the uk dealer video called for a walk around.
3. It's a model 3 performance black with chrome alloys, white seats and full self driving package 2019 April.
4. Mileage at 6,000 Kim’s so avoided paying VAT
5. Sold my own car and priced bank of Ireland to transfer funds to dealer, rate from them was horrendous, I used transfer mate, they were excellent, gbp rate on Google at the time was 1.10 and that's what I got, €250 charge to send the money. Car cost £55,000.
6. I Paid NVD to collect the car on a car transporter they dealt with the car dealer on collection times etc, collected the car from their depot in Dublin.
7. Insurance was only €40 difference from model s €540.
8. Booked vrt with covid couldn't get a date for 3 weeks. Enough time to cover off mileage.
9. Presented for vrt and couldn't find the chassis stamp, they wouldn't vrt, went to tesla and they located it behind the driver side pillar, you have to pull off the panel.vrt was done and they valued the car at 61k, revenue had to confirm the rate so had to wait 8 days, insurance company extended the 30 days on UK Reg.
10. Paid the vrt it came back as €3065, I was happy enough with that.
11. Put new plates on and that's it, no major hassle and would recommend, warrenty transfers with the car so you are covered from Tesla Ireland, car is excellent, range is so much better and being able to use ccs chargers males all the difference.
12. All up car cost €60,500 to buy, €500 shipping and money transfer, €3,065 vrt. €64,000 all up same car new is €78,000 from Tesla.

unkel

Thanks for sharing and well wear. The Model 3 Performance is an outstanding car. Enjoy!

eamondunphy

Dublin2017 wrote: »

Hi all, just finished importing my model 3 from UK and thought I'd share the experience as I couldn't find any concrete answers online. Love the car it's my 2nd tesla sold my ms p90d in cork and bought a model 3 performance.

1. Bought the car online from a dealer in Strafford upon Avon.
2. It was in August so couldn't travel to view the car but the uk dealer video called for a walk around.
3. It's a model 3 performance black with chrome alloys, white seats and full self driving package 2019 April.
4. Mileage at 6,000 Kim’s so avoided paying VAT
5. Sold my own car and priced bank of Ireland to transfer funds to dealer, rate from them was horrendous, I used transfer mate, they were excellent, gbp rate on Google at the time was 1.10 and that's what I got, €250 charge to send the money. Car cost £55,000.
6. I Paid NVD to collect the car on a car transporter they dealt with the car dealer on collection times etc, collected the car from their depot in Dublin.
7. Insurance was only €40 difference from model s €540.
8. Booked vrt with covid couldn't get a date for 3 weeks. Enough time to cover off mileage.
9. Presented for vrt and couldn't find the chassis stamp, they wouldn't vrt, went to tesla and they located it behind the driver side pillar, you have to pull off the panel.vrt was done and they valued the car at 61k, revenue had to confirm the rate so had to wait 8 days, insurance company extended the 30 days on UK Reg.
10. Paid the vrt it came back as €3065, I was happy enough with that.
11. Put new plates on and that's it, no major hassle and would recommend, warrenty transfers with the car so you are covered from Tesla Ireland, car is excellent, range is so much better and being able to use ccs chargers males all the difference.
12. All up car cost €60,500 to buy, €500 shipping and money transfer, €3,065 vrt. €64,000 all up same car new is €78,000 from Tesla.

Best of luck with the car, out of cuirousity, how long did it take nvd to organise collectimg the car and them you getting it from them?

Dublin2017

Thanks a mil, Sent the dealers number on a Wednesday and collected following Monday morning.