Tesla Model S import VRT?

grogi · 04-12-2017 10:47am

unkel wrote: »

I'd be very careful before you sign up with the likes of liberty or any of these discount insurance companies. Liberty kills your no claims bonus if your car gets stolen through no fault of your own. A decent insurance company wouldn't do that.

The rules are actually very simple: you made a claim, your discount gets reduced. How much - depends how much discount protection you have. Fault has nothing to do here.

unkel · 04-12-2017 3:40pm

grogi wrote: »

The rules are actually very simple: you made a claim, your discount gets reduced. How much - depends how much discount protection you have. Fault has nothing to do here.

Nope. With my own insurer I can claim for theft, and it will NOT affect my no claims bonus. And it will NOT affect my no claims bonus protection either. In fact if my 8 month old car was stolen today, they would pay for a brand new one.

grogi · 04-12-2017 3:42pm

unkel wrote: »

Nope. With my own insurer I can claim for theft, and it will NOT affect my no claims bonus. And it will NOT affect my no claims bonus protection either. In fact if my 8 month old car was stolen today, they would pay for a brand new one.

In other words - you can crash it in a field, leave it there and then declare stolen...

air · 04-12-2017 4:59pm

unkel wrote: »

grogi wrote: »

The rules are actually very simple: you made a claim, your discount gets reduced. How much - depends how much discount protection you have. Fault has nothing to do here.

Nope. With my own insurer I can claim for theft, and it will NOT affect my no claims bonus. And it will NOT affect my no claims bonus protection either. In fact if my 8 month old car was stolen today, they would pay for a brand new one.

Your percentage discount will be maintained but your base premium will go up so you'll still pay more for the same level of cover after an accident.

unkel · 04-12-2017 5:05pm

I'm not talking accident, I'm talking theft. And my NCB is not affected by a claim for theft (but if you are insured by Liberty, you will lose your NCB). But apologies for going off topic here.

aliveandkicking · 05-12-2017 11:19am

Who are you insured with Unkel and did you have to do anything special to get that no claims theft provision in your policy?

ELM327 · 05-12-2017 11:41am

I think that's the default position.
I've never had a policy that counts a theft claim as an "at fault" claim.

cros13 · 05-12-2017 12:33pm

*cough* Is this the Model S VRT thread or the insurance/NCB protection thread?

Doc el brown · 30-12-2017 10:30am

Hi Guys,
So I have been looking at importing a 2015 model s and called customs/excise & vrt yesterday as well as nct, and local tax office. Nobody could answer my question as to how much vrt I would pay. The customs guy called me back at the end of the day to say he had looked in to it and hasn't got a clue as to how much as they have not had this situation before. He told me to present the car and then get a valuation....totally unacceptable. What sort of goons are we dealing with.
I didn't see the valuable info in this thread until this morning.
Is there a website somewhere with omsp valuations?

Regards,

umbauk · 30-12-2017 3:59pm

Have an appointment to register my imported 2014 Model S on 13th Jan. Am expecting to have to pay €5k but hoping for less. Will let you know how it goes!

Doc el brown · 30-12-2017 8:02pm

umbauk wrote: »

Have an appointment to register my imported 2014 Model S on 13th Jan. Am expecting to have to pay €5k but hoping for less. Will let you know how it goes!

Yea keep us posted. I'd say it will be a lot less that you have to pay after the 5k deduction. How many different versions of the model s are there? Like I mean are there different letters after the model s that would indicate a higher spec which in turn will indicate a higher vrt

Plates365.com · 31-12-2017 1:41am

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Doc el brown · 31-12-2017 11:02am

Plates365.com wrote: »

Sorry to repeat myself, you can get an independent valuation and estimate here: [snip]

I did use that site the other day but was wondering if there was another website and why should we have to pay for this service when it should be provided free.

Doc el brown · 31-12-2017 11:52am

Plates365.com wrote: »

Sorry to repeat myself, you can get an independent valuation and estimate here: [snip]

---Quote (Originally by Doc el brown)---
I did use that site the other day but was wondering if there was another website and *why should we have to pay for this service when it should be provided free*.
---End Quote---
What are you on about?
The VRT calc is free and has existed for years. Any simple Google search on "how to import a car to Ireland" would have found it. Even typing in VRT would have found it. Just use the calculator, get the estimate and pay the VRT on the day which will be within a couple of percent of the estimate (as they take into account more details).

Are you telling us no one in any of the offices you rang mentioned using the VRT calculator?"

---Quote (Originally by Doc el brown)---

I think you must be half asleep! I've been importing cars for many many years and I know the calculator exists but it doesn't for tesla, you have to pay €5 for the privilege. So I ask you to go to the calculator and get me a price for the tesla model s 2015 please since your an expert and post it here. Have you not been reading the posts??

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Plates365.com · 31-12-2017 12:06pm

The reason [snip] charges is it is an independent site and has invested time and money in creating and maintaining the website and the calculators. [snip] does run for free unlike the revenue website which has €millions behind it.

Doc el brown · 31-12-2017 12:27pm

Plates365.com wrote: »

The reason [snip] charges is it is an independent site and has invested time and money in creating and maintaining the website and the calculators. [snip] does run for free unlike the revenue website which has €millions behind it.

Very good. We all know that but the initial point was why should we have to pay for it when it's free for all other cars! Then you want on your condescending rant.

Thanks for your reply.

Plates365.com · 31-12-2017 12:38pm

Doc el brown wrote: »

Very good. We all know that but the initial point was why should we have to pay for it when it's free for all other cars! Then you want on your condescending rant.

Thanks for your reply.

I didn’t intend to be condescending, was merely stating facts

Giotto · 14-01-2018 6:30pm

umbauk wrote: »

Have an appointment to register my imported 2014 Model S on 13th Jan. Am expecting to have to pay €5k but hoping for less. Will let you know how it goes!

How did you get on?
Thanks

goz83 · 14-01-2018 7:35pm

Any new Models S owner charging at the Sutton Dart station today? I didn't see the car myself, but my BIL took a photo when charging the Leaf we imported today.

80sDiesel · 15-01-2018 10:48am

I was reading here about the width of the Tesla and thinking it can't be wider than a 6 series. It is!

umbauk · 15-01-2018 11:16am

Went fine, but as expected they couldn't give me a tax amount on the day. They said Revenue will call me within the next 5 working days with the amount and then I can drop in to any NCT/VRT centre and pay it. Took about 30mins with an amusing moment when I was asked to pop the bonnet so they can check the engine "There is no engine..."

Sam Casey · 17-01-2018 4:26pm

Any update on the VRT for the Model S. about to pull the trigger on one from the UK, would love to find out what the VRT is from someone who actually brought in one

peposhi · 17-01-2018 4:42pm

Sam Casey wrote: »

Any update on the VRT for the Model S. about to pull the trigger on one from the UK, would love to find out what the VRT is from someone who actually brought in one

Check with Phil Fitz. He has just brought one for a customer.

umbauk · 17-01-2018 9:39pm

Sam Casey wrote: »

Any update on the VRT for the Model S. about to pull the trigger on one from the UK, would love to find out what the VRT is from someone who actually brought in one

Got the figure from revenue today. I bought a 2014 Model S 85 for £49,700 and the VRT bill is €3,190, which is at the low end of my expectations.

If my math is right it means they valued the car at: (3190 + 5000)/0.14 = €58,500

It cost me £49,700 * 1.132 = €56,260

grogi · 18-01-2018 1:08am

umbauk wrote: »

Got the figure from revenue today. I bought a 2014 Model S 85 for £49,700 and the VRT bill is €3,190, which is at the low end of my expectations.

If my math is right it means they valued the car at: (3190 + 5000)/0.14 = €58,500

It cost me £49,700 * 1.132 = €56,260

The valuation is actually very sensible and not extortionate...

unkel · 18-01-2018 1:48am

If only we could get an insight into the maths.

Like, is any 2014 Model S gonna attract €3k VRT, even though some are £25k auction cars and some are highly desirable CPO, AP, air, mint 7 seaters worth £50k?

ELM327 · 18-01-2018 8:49am

£25k auction cars?
Where does one pick up one of these? Or review the listings?

At the moment other than the Daerik teslainventory site and Autotrader I don't know any other UK sites to look at.

(The irish second hand Tesla market is still in its infancy and the prices are ridiculous, >50k for a non-AP1 car still)

air · 18-01-2018 9:13am

A 2014, 21k miles, Model S 60 sold for £33k on SpeakEV in November, so 25k at auction sounds fairly plausible.

ELM327 · 18-01-2018 10:06am

To be clear, I wasn't doubting the poster just asking where..for a "friend"..

Matt Simis · 18-01-2018 12:38pm

unkel wrote: »

If only we could get an insight into the maths.

Like, is any 2014 Model S gonna attract €3k VRT, even though some are £25k auction cars and some are highly desirable CPO, AP, air, mint 7 seaters worth £50k?

Well thats the same with any car Revenue value, its just an average expected price on the market and the modifiers are mileage, year and "package spec" (as opposed individual options, MSport vs SE BMW). So I doubt they see the difference unless they are package spec differences. Maybe.

You can always get a bespoke re-valuation after you pay the initial one.

unkel · 18-01-2018 8:57pm

Yeah there are trade only auctions in the UK where the prices are obviously well below private sales. I've seen a car mentioned on youtube last year for I think it was £26k. Highish mileage and not without blemishes, but half the price of a better specced lower mileage same year CPO car...

ELM327 · 19-01-2018 8:56am

See for an S85 there would be a lot of people that would easily afford 25k but the low 40k sterling prices drive the end price well above €50k landed. And that's a psychological barrier for a lot. Including myself.

If these are trade only sales, where are they then sold on? EG dealer buys for 25-26k at auction, surely they sell on at 30-31? Where are these cars? I've only seen one in the 12 months I've been looking, and 6 of those 12 months are actively looking.

Denisoftus · 19-01-2018 11:39am

I've never seen any Tesla cheaper £40K, £25K sounds very tempting.

air · 19-01-2018 11:44am

Denisoftus wrote: »

I've never seen any Tesla cheaper £40K, £25K sounds very tempting.

I posted a link to one that sold for £33k a few posts back.

Denisoftus · 19-01-2018 11:50am

air wrote: »

I posted a link to one that sold for £33k a few posts back.

An exception, where did you even find the board/forum

?

Denisoftus · 19-01-2018 11:52am

But you right, its 2018 after all, there are a few on auto trader already https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201712182134605?sort=price-asc&make=TESLA&advertising-location=at_cars&model=MODEL%20S&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&postcode=bt358qs&radius=1500&page=1

When I checked last time, Sep last year, there were none cheaper £45

air · 19-01-2018 11:53am

An obscure reference all right, a for sale add on one of the biggest EV forums in the world - definitely the biggest one in the UK & Ireland.

Sam Casey · 19-01-2018 1:00pm

Thanks for that. did you tell them what you paid, the car I'm looking at is 40k delivered to Belfast.

ELM327 · 19-01-2018 1:05pm

Sam Casey wrote: »

Thanks for that. did you tell them what you paid, the car I'm looking at is 40k delivered to Belfast.

Is that a CPO?

Limerick_Lad · 19-01-2018 1:19pm

Hi,

I am also thinking of bringing in a Tesla 90D. Does anyone have one in Ireland and if so what is the realistic mileage. I will be travelling from Limerick to Dublin and back in the same day.

I am also concerned about the extra width. Does anyone have experience of the day to day hassle involved with the extra width?

Dave

Sam Casey · 19-01-2018 1:19pm

No it's from a dealer, the ones on the Tesla site currently start at 45k GBP. just too much for my budget.

unkel · 19-01-2018 7:03pm

Limerick_Lad wrote: »

I am also thinking of bringing in a Tesla 90D. Does anyone have one in Ireland and if so what is the realistic mileage. I will be travelling from Limerick to Dublin and back in the same day.

That won't be a problem at all doing that without charging. Even at speeds a good bit above the speed limit

Sabre Man · 19-01-2018 7:44pm

I'd say about 400 km range is realistic. There is also a superchargher at Birdhill, just outside Limerick.

80sDiesel · 19-01-2018 10:09pm

Limerick_Lad wrote: »

Hi,

I am also thinking of bringing in a Tesla 90D. Does anyone have one in Ireland and if so what is the realistic mileage. I will be travelling from Limerick to Dublin and back in the same day.

I am also concerned about the extra width. Does anyone have experience of the day to day hassle involved with the extra width?

Dave

Do all teslas come with surround view? I know from the 6grancoup that it is a must have option.

air · 19-01-2018 10:11pm

That would help with parking for sure but back roads are the real issue. If you have to use them on a regular basis at all I think the S is a non runner.

cros13 · 20-01-2018 2:24am

80sDiesel wrote: »

Do all teslas come with surround view? I know from the 6grancoup that it is a must have option.

One of the things I miss from the Leaf when the i3 became my daily driver was the surround view (the i8 got it but the i3 didn't).

Nope, though the Autopilot 2.0 and 2.5 hardware would allow for that to be provided via software update.
I'm sure it's on Tesla's internal roadmap but it will certainly be restricted to AP2+ (so late 2016 vehicles onward) because those cars have the cameras.

The auto parking currently does parallel and reverse parking. Probably the next feature in that respect would be to match the 2018 Nissan Leaf's ability to use parking lines to center itself in the space without nearby vehicles to use as reference points.

Oafley Jones · 20-01-2018 12:52pm

air wrote: »

That would help with parking for sure but back roads are the real issue. If you have to use them on a regular basis at all I think the S is a non runner.

Roads will be absolutely fine (consider the agricultural machinery that tears around these), it will be parking that causes problems. I drove a LR Discovery for the past two years and never had an issue with roads, however the footprint it occupied could be a real pain in the arse in regards to multistories etc. The Disco is a a bit wider, but shorter than an S and I guarantee you'll quickly learn the limitations of certain multi stories around the country.

umbauk · 20-01-2018 9:15pm

Limerick_Lad wrote: »

Hi,

I am also thinking of bringing in a Tesla 90D. Does anyone have one in Ireland and if so what is the realistic mileage. I will be travelling from Limerick to Dublin and back in the same day.

I am also concerned about the extra width. Does anyone have experience of the day to day hassle involved with the extra width?

Dave

I was also concerned by the width before buying but have had no problems with it after driving around Dublin for 3 weeks now. It's about 15cm wider than my previous car (VW Tiguan), but I don't really notice it.

I have a 3 year old S85 and I can get around 350km at motorway speeds if I'm not trying to conserve battery. A newer 90D will likely get you a fair bit more, particularly if you look to conserve battery. However, there looks like there is a Tesla supercharger half way between Dublin and Limerick so a 15min stop at that on one of the legs and you'd be fine.

air · 20-01-2018 9:31pm

Personally I wouldn't have an issue with city driving, it's slow anyway and it's going to be easy to be a bit more careful parking etc.

On back roads however you're going to have to be a lot more careful, if you meet the aforementioned agricultural machinery there's far less room for error which means you have to drive much slower.

At the end of the day it comes down to the type of driving people do and their priorities, wouldn't suit me at present.

grogi · 20-01-2018 11:01pm

umbauk wrote: »

/.../ looks like there is a Tesla supercharger half way between Dublin and Limerick so a 15min stop at that on one of the legs and you'd be fine.

Getting East from M7 to Ballacolla (or from Ballacolla to M7 when going West) is a pain - the M7/M8 junction misses two ramps that would be required to do so without loosing half an hour...

Tesla Model S import VRT?

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