Trouble on buses

D3V!L · 13-12-2018 9:38am #1

Just wondering how other people deal with this ? The bus I get to and from work seems to have frequent trouble on it, be it junkies or fights. It just seems to attract the loons as it goes from one dodgy area on one side of the city to another through town.

Just today I had trouble (mildly verbal) with a guy that tried to compress me against the wall of the bus so he could squeeze into the seat beside me even though there were loads of full seats free. He knew right well what he was doing as it started after he sat down.

Also had a drunk grab my arm at the start of the year and refuse to let me up from my seat.

Is this localised to certain routes ??? How do others deal with it. Oh and its not me , I get the luas occasionally which is even more packed and have zero issues.

punisher5112 · 13-12-2018 9:42am

D3V!L wrote: »

Just wondering how other people deal with this ? The bus I get to and from work seems to have frequent trouble on it, be it junkies or fights. It just seems to attract the loons as it goes from one dodgy area on one side of the city to another through town.

Just today I had trouble (mildly verbal) with a guy that tried to compress me against the wall of the bus so he could squeeze into the seat beside me even though there were loads of full seats free. He knew right well what he was doing as it started after he sat down.

Also had a drunk grab my arm at the start of the year and refuse to let me up from my seat.

Is this localised to certain routes ??? How do others deal with it. Oh and its not me , I get the luas occasionally which is even more packed and have zero issues.

You need to report this to the driver or contact the company or the nta.

If people don't report nothing will change.

I am sick to death for having to carry absolute scum.

Bubblegummers · 13-12-2018 9:45am

D3V!L wrote: »

Just wondering how other people deal with this ? The bus I get to and from work seems to have frequent trouble on it, be it junkies or fights. It just seems to attract the loons as it goes from one dodgy area on one side of the city to another through town.

Just today I had trouble (mildly verbal) with a guy that tried to compress me against the wall of the bus so he could squeeze into the seat beside me even though there were loads of full seats free. He knew right well what he was doing as it started after he sat down.

Also had a drunk grab my arm at the start of the year and refuse to let me up from my seat.

Is this localised to certain routes ??? How do others deal with it. Oh and its not me , I get the luas occasionally which is even more packed and have zero issues.

Just sounds like the 27 Dublin Bus. Unfortunately some buses are just a bad route, I don’t see this changing.

D3V!L · 13-12-2018 9:45am

punisher5112 wrote: »

You need to report this to the driver or contact the company or the nta.

If people don't report nothing will change.

I am sick to death for having to carry absolute scum.

I did when the drunk started on me. I'm a big lad and can handle myself but chose to walk away. The driver stopped the bus in that instance and call the depot and Gardai. The trouble maker just walked off the bus. So you can imagine why it feels futile.

D3V!L · 13-12-2018 9:46am

Bubblegummers wrote: »

Just sounds like the 27 Dublin Bus. Unfortunately some buses are just a bad route, I don’t see this changing.

You sir, are psychic !!

Bubblegummers · 13-12-2018 9:48am

D3V!L wrote: »

You sir, are psychic !!

I know it only too well. I’m from crumlin used to board on crumlin road for work before started driving. It’s like a 40 minute journey through Sodom and Gommorah

Technocentral · 13-12-2018 9:50am

Repeat offenders should be banned from public transport, am sick of these anti social scum too.

tgdaly · 13-12-2018 9:53am

27 can be an awful route. I would get that or the 27a, b or 15 home. Constantly lads on it out of their minds, drinking cans etc. Even had people lighting up cigarettes, happened only a few weeks ago upstairs. Fair play to the driver he told him that if he didn't put it out he was stopping the bus and calling the guards.

You're man had some cheek even when he was putting it out (although he was ranting and clearly not right in the head). Actually now I think of it he was sitting beside a drunk fella and trying to sell him fags! Couldn't make it up

cstaff · 13-12-2018 9:54am

Bubblegummers wrote: »

Just sounds like the 27 Dublin Bus. Unfortunately some buses are just a bad route, I don’t see this changing.

This was the first route that came to mind when I read your first also OP

punisher5112 · 13-12-2018 10:01am

If people don't cause a fuss and report nothing will change.

You need to email db, nta and tds.

If drivers are marked in they tend to get to know the trouble makers and shouldn't be carrying them but as I've seen so many times they want an easy life and say nothing.

If you have been assaulted or impeded from leaving etc then request your personal data under the new gdpr rules.

If more people done this then things would change.

I've no problem at all putting people off for causing trouble.

rebel456 · 13-12-2018 10:18am

Used to take the 27 when it was nearer town but even at that stage you'd feel a menacing atmosphere. Haven't had much 'touble' personally on Dublin buses to be honest (regular commuting hours usually usually means lesser incidents of hassle with the benefit of crowds) but more annoying stuff like gangs of screeching kids, or mammies with jumbo buggies fighting over the disabled spots delaying the bus.

I remember one incident where a Latino man was getting racist abuse from a skanger. Rand the Gardaí myself who weren't really interested as there was no physical violence. Told the driver but he wasn't too pushed about it as it meant having the stop and wait for the Gardaí.

Unfortunately nothing will be done even if individuals get banned. The do-gooders in society who usually never live in these troublesome areas, or take public transport through it, will be outraged.

I can imagine someone like Paul Murphy ranting in the Dáil that poor innocent Anto can't get into town because he's banned from the buses. Irrespective of Anto having 100+ previous convictions.

Blanchy90 · 13-12-2018 10:38am

Its not worth it for the drivers to get involved they're stuck driving the same routes and they can't refuse passengers so calling the guards on a regular can lead to ongoing hassle for the driver

jim o doom · 13-12-2018 10:51am

It doesn't solve the issue properly at all, but an option to help with confidence in public, particularly in situations with aggressive strangers - learn to defend yourself.

Some sort of martial art or say boxing.. whatever is most suitable for you.
I know you can say "I shouldn't have to learn to fight to be safe in public", but the reality is, there are a lot of assaults in public.

Being able to defend yourself is a great confidence booster in those situations, and in the event you do get attacked, you've a much greater chance of coming out on top.

D3V!L · 13-12-2018 10:59am

jim o doom wrote: »

It doesn't solve the issue properly at all, but an option to help with confidence in public, particularly in situations with aggressive strangers - learn to defend yourself.

Some sort of martial art or say boxing.. whatever is most suitable for you.
I know you can say "I shouldn't have to learn to fight to be safe in public", but the reality is, there are a lot of assaults in public.

Being able to defend yourself is a great confidence booster in those situations, and in the event you do get attacked, you've a much greater chance of coming out on top.

All well and good. When I had this problem this morning and quietly asked your man to stop squashing me I was accused of being the aggressor by another person that didn't even know him and he looked like he was well capable of looking after himself. Probably because I was from majority race and he wasn't.

Two years ago I was violently assaulted on a DB and since then I have learned to keep myself to myself. At the time of the assault the Gardai actually tried to prosecute me separately for defending myself. Thankfully camera footage and common sense prevailed, so I was fine. So physical fights on bus's are never the answer.

dense · 13-12-2018 11:00am

rebel456 wrote: »

I can imagine someone like Paul Murphy ranting in the Dáil that poor innocent Anto can't get into town because he's banned from the buses. Irrespective of Anto having 100+ previous convictions.

Anto will also have the support of a human rights legal team at his disposal should he engage the services of whatever do gooder group that appeals to his sense of injustice that he regularly experiences due to his unfortunate circumstances.
All of this does tend to make drivers reluctant to publicly refuse Anto his access to travel, because Anto knows that he is special and a driver is just a driver who he could make a right few quid out of with the right team behind him discriminating in his favor.

Del.Monte · 13-12-2018 11:00am

jim o doom wrote: »

It doesn't solve the issue properly at all, but an option to help with confidence in public, particularly in situations with aggressive strangers - learn to defend yourself.

Some sort of martial art or say boxing.. whatever is most suitable for you.
I know you can say "I shouldn't have to learn to fight to be safe in public", but the reality is, there are a lot of assaults in public.

Being able to defend yourself is a great confidence booster in those situations, and in the event you do get attacked, you've a much greater chance of coming out on top.

Possibly the OP should carry a large knife or handgun? :rolleyes:

ED E · 13-12-2018 11:04am

cstaff wrote: »

This was the first route that came to mind when I read your first also OP

+1, was thinking "Sounds like the 27..." by the 2nd sentence.

Been suspended before:
https://www.buzz.ie/news/dublin-bus-redirect-number-popular-routes-due-anti-social-behaviour-305007

dense · 13-12-2018 11:05am

D3V!L wrote: »

All well and good. When I had this problem this morning and quietly asked your man to stop squashing me I was accused of being the aggressor by another person that didn't even know him and he looked like he was well capable of looking after himself. Probably because I was from majority race and he wasn't.

Two years ago I was violently assaulted on a DB and since then I have learned to keep myself to myself. At the time of the assault the Gardai actually tried to prosecute me separately for defending myself. Thankfully camera footage and common sense prevailed, so I was fine. So physical fights on bus's are never the answer.

A conductor, or security presence would seem to be necessary on troublesome routes to manage what the driver can't.

incentsitive · 13-12-2018 11:22am

This is why we need uniformed and plain clothes transport police throughout our public transport network.
We also need a massively increased traffic police to police everything from cars to cyclists and everything in between.

punisher5112 · 13-12-2018 12:10pm

Blanchy90 wrote: »

Its not worth it for the drivers to get involved they're stuck driving the same routes and they can't refuse passengers so calling the guards on a regular can lead to ongoing hassle for the driver

Of course a driver can refuse a person to travel.

There are many reasons as to why one can refuse and I have done so on many many occasions.

Technocentral · 13-12-2018 12:34pm

incentsitive wrote: »

This is why we need uniformed and plain clothes transport police throughout our public transport network.
We also need a massively increased traffic police to police everything from cars to cyclists and everything in between.

Good luck to them getting on busses at peak times, packed to the gills.

Blanchy90 · 13-12-2018 1:51pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

Of course a driver can refuse a person to travel.

There are many reasons as to why one can refuse and I have done so on many many occasions.

I know a bus driver that refused to pick up a passenger as they had assaulted the driver the previous time they picked them up. The passenger made a complaint and the driver was in trouble with the conductor afterwards

mikemac2 · 13-12-2018 2:00pm

My money was on the 40

dfx- · 13-12-2018 2:04pm

ED E wrote: »

+1, was thinking "Sounds like the 27..." by the 2nd sentence.

Been suspended before:
https://www.buzz.ie/news/dublin-bus-redirect-number-popular-routes-due-anti-social-behaviour-305007

the 40 is surely the most suspended route, usually St. Helena's Rd, and likeliest route for the OPs observations.

77A and pitiful 13 not far behind though.

punisher5112 · 13-12-2018 2:05pm

Blanchy90 wrote: »

I know a bus driver that refused to pick up a passenger as they had assaulted the driver the previous time they picked them up. The passenger made a complaint and the driver was in trouble with the conductor afterwards

In trouble with the conductor....

That has to be a joke?

gmisk · 13-12-2018 2:07pm

mikemac2 wrote: »

My money was on the 40

The 40 can be..."fun".
My favourite was the woman at 2 o clock in the day describing in great detail how she would get a man off while lap dancing for him (But she couldnt say more as she was on a bus....) and bring a bottle of wine for 50 euro, kinda like a meal deal.

I actually feel safer on 79/79a tbh.

spurious · 13-12-2018 2:12pm

incentsitive wrote: »

This is why we need uniformed and plain clothes transport police throughout our public transport network.
We also need a massively increased traffic police to police everything from cars to cyclists and everything in between.

While we do need the above (and a police that have an interest in enforcing the already existing laws), some compulsory parenting classes for all, if necessary linked to 'mickey money/free houses/free prams' wouldn't go astray.

mikemac2 · 13-12-2018 2:15pm

gmisk wrote: »

The 40 can be..."fun".
My favourite was the woman at 2 o clock in the day describing in great detail how she would get a man off while lap dancing for him (But she couldnt say more as she was on a bus....) and bring a bottle of wine for 50 euro, kinda like a meal deal.

I learned everything I know about shoplifting on the top deck of the 40. It's an education

If you want to know about lining a bag with foil, changing labels or distracting security guards join the 40 :pac:

If they were succusful there was bragging and telling the commuters who didn't care and just wanting to go home. If they failed there were tears boo hoo

gmisk wrote: »

I actually feel safer on 79/79a tbh.

+1

punisher5112 · 13-12-2018 2:22pm

I had the unfortunate experience of seeing drug addict lesbians getting each other off on the rear seat threw the CCTV monitor.

I honestly thought they were changing but no they were then at it full pelt when I was at the next stop.

Another thing is there was plenty on the bus including kids upstairs oh and it was Christmas Eve too......

Probably the weirdest thing to have happen to be honest.

TeaBagMania · 13-12-2018 2:29pm

google slapjack or monkey fist, they're solid attitude adjusters.
or you could always ask your man if he'd like to step off the bus for a minute, doubt he'd have the balls

Stephen15 · 13-12-2018 2:47pm

Technocentral wrote: »

Repeat offenders should be banned from public transport, am sick of these anti social scum too.

Never gonna happen as there are over 1,000 buses in Dublin and 2,000 drivers so how are they going to know who each and every scumbag is who has caused trouble.

messrs · 13-12-2018 2:56pm

Get lots of hassle on DB - mainly on the 13 although a few times have had problems on the 151

Blanchy90 · 13-12-2018 3:08pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

In trouble with the conductor....

That has to be a joke?

Whoever the boss is thats who they were in trouble with

n!ghtmancometh · 13-12-2018 3:16pm

I have no fear of the junkies, they're pathetically weak and generally zonked out of it. Its the packs of 16/17 yo kids that seem to cause the most hassle, and who are most willing to get aggressive.

Remember a pack of them on the 76 a few months back blaring music, shouting, drinking, hammering on windows and generally being pricks. I turned and roared at them to shut up, as I had a long day at work and my patience was gone, and 3 of them started walking over to me until I stood up to meet them (I'm fairly tall and well built) and they backed down and shut up. Was only after that I realized that the situation had the potential to turn nasty, and I shouldn't have done it.

punisher5112 · 13-12-2018 3:17pm

Blanchy90 wrote: »

Whoever the boss is thats who they were in trouble with

That wouldn't be a conductor and if they got into trouble then that was wrong.

I believe people are getting sick of been hassled and harassed etc etc on public transportation.

Stephen15 · 13-12-2018 5:51pm

n!ghtmancometh wrote: »

I have no fear of the junkies, they're pathetically weak and generally zonked out of it. Its the packs of 16/17 yo kids that seem to cause the most hassle, and who are most willing to get aggressive.

My main fear about junkies is the potential of catching something off them from their dirty syringes or them leaving their syringes lying around for someone to touch or young kids picking them up and playing with them.

Stephen15 · 13-12-2018 5:58pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

If people don't cause a fuss and report nothing will change.

You need to email db, nta and tds.

If drivers are marked in they tend to get to know the trouble makers and shouldn't be carrying them but as I've seen so many times they want an easy life and say nothing.

If you have been assaulted or impeded from leaving etc then request your personal data under the new gdpr rules.

If more people done this then things would change.

I've no problem at all putting people off for causing trouble.

Are bus drivers allowed to sail past if a known trouble maker puts their hand out and know else is waiting, would they get into trouble. Also do drivers put out notices on the radio saying if see this person at stop number xxxx don't stop as I kicked him/her off or refused them travel or I have seen this person who has caused trouble before at xxxx stop.

The thing is most people just want to get home when they're on a bus and not get any hassle which would delay their bus journey such as having to make Garda statements and request CCTV etc.

SimonTemplar · 13-12-2018 5:59pm

When I moved to Dublin about 10 years ago, I used to report anti-social behavior to the driver. Over half of the time, the driver just ignored me. I stopped doing it because it seemed pointless.

I'll never forget the day just a few months ago when I was upstairs on Dublin Bus. Someone started playing extremely loud heavy metal music. You know the type where the lyrics just sound like a growl. When I was getting out, I was about to mention it to the driver when I realised it was coming from a portable player in his cab! It was so loud you couldn't really distinguish whether it was coming from upstairs or downstairs.

Couldn't believe the driver would behave like that.

KevinCavan · 13-12-2018 6:09pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

I had the unfortunate experience of seeing drug addict lesbians getting each other off on the rear seat threw the CCTV monitor.

I honestly thought they were changing but no they were then at it full pelt when I was at the next stop.

Another thing is there was plenty on the bus including kids upstairs oh and it was Christmas Eve too......

Probably the weirdest thing to have happen to be honest.

You should send that story to Shane McGowan for his next Christmas hit.;-)

punisher5112 · 13-12-2018 6:17pm

Stephen15 wrote: »

Are bus drivers allowed to sail past if a known trouble maker puts their hand out and know else is waiting, would they get into trouble. Also do drivers put out notices on the radio saying if see this person at stop number xxxx don't stop as I kicked him/her off or refused them travel or I have seen this person who has caused trouble before at xxxx stop.

The thing is most people just want to get home when they're on a bus and not get any hassle which would delay their bus journey such as having to make Garda statements and request CCTV etc.

Yes to all the above.

If one is a risk and we have come across them it's easier to keep going the same where many don't stop for big gangs loaded with drink.

If a driver feels someone is intoxicated drink or drugs they can refuse to carry.

There are 2 guys I won't carry due to hygiene as both live in their own filth and will sit on a seat where they are covered in pi#s and sh1t.

1 of these is also a complete pervert and caught him drooling on a really young school girl.

Makes me sick......

There are some really filthy, disgusting and dangerous people out there and we come across them all.

I've had many that have only been released, others wanting fights, spitting, punches you name it.....

cdaly_ · 13-12-2018 6:19pm

SimonTemplar wrote: »

I'll never forget the day just a few months ago when I was upstairs on Dublin Bus. Someone started playing extremely loud heavy metal music. You know the type where the lyrics just sound like a growl. When I was getting out, I was about to mention it to the driver when I realised it was coming from a portable player in his cab! It was so loud you couldn't really distinguish whether it was coming from upstairs or downstairs.

Couldn't believe the driver would behave like that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNd82ZdW0EE

StreetLight · 13-12-2018 7:56pm

There's a scumbag in a wheelchair who's a regular on the 79 route. Earlier this year, he was convicted of sexually assaulting a female on a bus. Last month, I heard he did it again.

Yet drivers are not allowed to refuse him travel and those who do are disciplined.

bobbyss · 13-12-2018 8:15pm

rebel456 wrote:

I remember one incident where a Latino man was getting racist abuse from a skanger. Rand the GardaÃ myself who weren't really interested as there was no physical violence. Told the driver but he wasn't too pushed about it as it meant having the stop and wait for the GardaÃ.

But you would wonder what DB policy is regarding this? If you refer an incident to a driver are they not obliged to follow policy?

Teyla Emmagan · 13-12-2018 8:29pm

I am going to research all of the bus routes mentioned with the aim of never living in these places.

.G. · 13-12-2018 8:39pm

The inbound bus stop outside Cherry Orchard methadone clinic was like a scene from the walking dead most days in the afternoons. I often drove straight past it and the hoards waiting at it.

Del.Monte · 13-12-2018 9:14pm

Teyla Emmagan wrote: »

I am going to research all of the bus routes mentioned with the aim of never living in these places.

I wouldn't bother as it's a long established fact that civilisation ends north of the Watford Gap.

punisher5112 · 13-12-2018 9:16pm

Ucd stop inbound on Monday to Thursday inclusive buses do not serve.

Recently a newish driver who wasn't aware picked up students who then tore the ceiling to shreds upstairs.

Technocentral · 13-12-2018 10:35pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

Ucd stop inbound on Monday to Thursday inclusive buses do not serve.

Recently a newish driver who wasn't aware picked up students who then tore the ceiling to shreds upstairs.

Surely CCTV would catch the miscreants?

Stephen15 · 13-12-2018 10:43pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

Ucd stop inbound on Monday to Thursday inclusive buses do not serve.

Recently a newish driver who wasn't aware picked up students who then tore the ceiling to shreds upstairs.

After what time? Is that nonsense still going on in UCD thought it had died down? Last I heard of it was back when the 10 was running. Is the 39a terminating outside the Montrose after 11pm.

punisher5112 · 13-12-2018 10:43pm

Technocentral wrote: »

Surely CCTV would catch the miscreants?

It should but issue is when full and all dancing around and busting the CCTV cameras also may make it difficult.

punisher5112 · 13-12-2018 10:44pm

Stephen15 wrote: »

After what time? Is that nonsense still going on in UCD thought it had died down? Last I heard of it was back when the 10 was running. Is the 39a terminating outside the Montrose after 11pm.

Still hasn't changed at all.

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